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According to the Baltimore Sun, David Segui admitted buying shipments of steroids from his friend, former New York Mets clubhouse attendant and admitted drug distributor, Kirk Radomski - and reiterated he used human growth hormone with a legal prescription from a Florida doctor.
Segui played for the Mets in 1994 and 1995, and retired from baseball in 2004.
Ramdomski worked for the Mets from 1985 through 1995, and admitted to having supplied performance enhancing drugs only between 1995 and 2005.
…of course, that didn’t stop WFAN’s Chris Russo today from repeatedly stating that Radomski worked for the Mets in 2005…which is clearly incorrect…unreal…
…at any rate, there is a public relations tactic that aims to confuse an audience by actually inundating them with the same bad news they are supposed to fear, instead of trying to cover it up, all while hitting the audience with tons of confusing opinion, facts, stats and mixed messaging…in the end, the audience gets fatigued by the confusion and constant pounding, and they actually start to tune out and ignore it all…in short, the audience no longer cares any more, and they just go about their business as though the bad news isn’t even occurring, even though it still is…
…i’m ashamed to say it, but this is what is happening to me with the MLB Steroids issue…
…i can’t tell who is guilty, who isn’t, why they’re guilty, why they’re not, who should be suspended, who shouldn’t, and so on…i’m totally lost…and what’s worse, i don’t even care that i’m lost…it all stinks of hypocrisy and cover up to me, and i can’t make heads or tails of any of it…i understand the moral end, but that doesn’t seem to matter to the people in charge…in the end, i just want to hope it all goes away, which is probably what they are trying to make happen…
Good call… I heard Mr. Russo say that and was hoping someone would phone into FAN to say that was FAR from true…
However, I think that the steroid issue is a real problem. With the names coming up this week will be surprising for some, not surprising for others…
Let’s remember though… Steroid use without a prescription is a federal crime… To me, whether is was part of baseball’s “rules” doesn’t mean anything to me…
JOHN HEYMAN IS SAYING METS COULD HAVE HAD JOHAN SANTANA.
BUT THEY REFUSED TO PART WITH F.MARTINEZ AND CARLOS GOMEZ.
WTF? ?
i really hope that information isnt true other wise omar minaya should be fired immediately.
The deal was supposedly Gomez, Fernandez, Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey and Heilman along with giving him a 7 year deal for over $20 mil per year.
Cmon guys thats too much to give when you also have to sign a guy to an enormous deal.
His article doesn’t read exactly that way. I’m not sure it was the BOTH of them that they balked at, but rather, who else was involved. If what was proposed was actually ADDING Martinez to the rumor of Gomez, Humber, Pelfry and Mulvey (for sake of argument), then maybe that’s not all bad.
You make it sound like the Twins wanted both of them and that’s it. If it’s both of them and Guerra, yeah, you make that deal. But if it’s both of them PLUS every viable P prospect we have in AA or higher, than they are right not to agree.
make the trade and throw in willy
Realize what you were giving up there – your entire farm system (including our only two options in left field over the next two years), your only 3 near major league ready pitchers, and Heilman. Then to have to sign him for 7 years? It’s kinda obscene.
Anyone calling for Omars head needs to take a deep breath and realize he is being smart.
gomez martinez pelfrey mulvey heilman i do hell ill even throw in guerra. that means we keep arguably our least appealing pitching prospect as an emergency backup to the rotation. i do that deal.
Ok do that deal…..then what if the Mets have to make a trade during the season or at the deadline? Who is left to trade?
Prospects are less than a 50 – 50 shot to make it 2 the bigs hes the best pitcher on the planet in his prime!
Has there ever been a 7 for 1 trade? Ever?
It that’s true, that’s terrible. I’d give both away plus any 2 pitchers from among our prospects. If they wanted both F-Mart and Gomez plus 3-5 pitchers, then I would balk too. Lets wait and see if the Mets leak what the total proposed package was before getting all fired up.
quality over quantity none of those pitchers will ever be santana. you can replenish the farm after the draft. santana automatically makes us the favorite in the NL and puts us in a position to match up with the red sox, namely josh beckett.
The Twins ARE NOT in control. Let them trade Johan to the Sox or Skanks. Enjoy John plowing thru the Twinks on his way to WS title year after year.
They want 7 players? Who are they kidding? They devalue our prospects b/c they didn’t show flashes in a brief stint? Tell the Twinks to go shove it and unload Johan to the Sox or Skanks, Sox certainly don’t care for him and the Skanks can barely afford to pay him.
HAHAHAHA
How did this game of telephone begin?
If Twinks want Gomez + FMart plus two pitchers, give em up. Let them hand pick any two pitcher prospects.
Let’s get it done. If it’s anything more than 4, I’m rethinking.
Not only the Angry Puppy but every media outlet describes Radomski as the former Mets clubhouse assistant YEAH, IN 1995 FOR CRISSAKES!!! What does that have to do with the Mets now.
i guess this is a bad time for me to announce my blog was on steroids for all of 2006 season. I heard Cerrone’s blog was doing them, and I tried to keep up. Yes I made a mistake, but I didn’t know it wasn’t flax seed oil.
I apologize to whoever I am supposed to apologize to. And to all you kids, don’t blog on roids.
They all cheated and baseball looked the other way.
except for rey-rey ordonez.
but what is sad of all this is that there were, and are, those who cheated and still sucked
I still can’t believe that this guy is referred to only as a “Mets clubhouse attendant” by the mainstream media. So completely misleading, and it really isn’t that hard to make the distinction.
You mean like Bush has done with the debacle in the Middle East…..oh boy, here we go!!!!
Nitwit, try getting your news from a source other then
the nytimes or msnbc.
Who was more juiced than Segui? Remember what he looked like when he first came up? Like a tall Jose Reyes…
BTW, there is no other source for news aside from the New York Times, (unless you want the box scores from the late games on the west coast).
ummmm do you want me to talk to my six year old cousin then? because if you are saying fox news, i might as well.
oh, should he look at fox news?
troglodyte.
I think better to only listen to Rush, who has his only problem with performance enhancing substances while telling us that all drug users should rot in prison. I guess consistency is for nitwits.
Blame the owners they knew it was going on and they paid everyone.
The misconception is that it wasn’t part of the rules, it was, there just wasn’t a test for it, which essentially gave the go ahead for players to use it. This all comes back to the powers that be, whether that is the players union for not agreeing to testing earlier, which had a huge part in this, or the commissioner and owners turning their heads, essentially letting this happen by doing nothing. It shouldn’t be a shock that performance enhancers are used in baseball, they’re used in every sport, so why not baseball? The difference is, nothing was done about it and now people just want the problem to magically “go away.” Like finding out names from the past will suddenly mean we’re out of the “steroid era.” It’s a joke, using that term is like a child speaking, because they don’t have the capability of understanding what kind of problem this is, one that is inherent to all sports and that needs to be CONTINUALLY dealt with, not swept under the table.
donald fehr and the players union screwed up big time. they were so intent on winning every battle with ownership that they fought to keep testing off the table during negotiation even tho 70% or more of players wanted tougher testing.
and the excuse fehr used, ‘privacy concerns’ is rediculous. the owners are guilty for not caring to fight because they were worried about keeping the cash rolling in, but i got to lay most of the blame on fehr.
that said, who cares, it didnt make baseball in the 90s/00s less fun to watch and it still fun now.
it has nothing to do with whether or not the game is fun to watch, it would have still been fun to watch w/o steroids or whatever. I don’t want to go all morality on you, but the point is, steroids do away with a level playing field. You have people who are willing to harm their bodies in order to gain an advantage, make money, what have you, and then there’s people who care about their future, their families (having a family) who lose out on money, recognition, etc. Also, if you care about the history of the game, its easy to see how this technological advancement (among others) is wiping its a ** w/ history. Sure, things have changed about the game, but at each step, players had an equal playing field. Take sprinting, sure, there’s new training, better spikes, new track surfaces, but the guys racing each other should be on a level playing field. That’s where I stand.
oh i hear you, i’d like to take a stance of more sound morals, but i honestly just don’t care. about the players. they can do whatever they want to their bodies, as long as im still be amused and theyre still getting paid. no one is holding a gun to their head.
and ultimately i see it as their own fault since if their union wanted testing they would’ve had it in a heart beat.
but youre right tho, its a terrible example and its a destructive cycle players were getting themselves into. its just not my problem.
im fine with the players roiding up or taking HGH or whatever. if its not tested, why wouldnt they do it? millions of dollars are at stake.
if it makes for more enjoyable baseball let em shoot up with whatever they want.
When hearing from Christopher Russo and Mike Francesa..always consider the source….Secondly I just want to comment that I think it would be great if a big name Yank would come up in the report..someone Francesa loves like Jeter or Mariano…
That would be awesome…but Mariano weighs like 150 lbs. I don’t think he juiced.
Don’t be so sure, most pitchers take the HGH not to get big, but to recover faster so they are able to be available 2 days or 3 days in a row.
Here is one that would be shocking….
JOE GIRARDI
I would not be shocked in the least if the Yankee manager who was playing as recently as 2003 in St. Louis as a 38 year old catcher…
was on the list….forgot to finish my thought…hahaha
Also on Girardi….
he was on a 2002 Cubs team with none other than Mr. Sammy Sosa and an open steroid user in Todd Hundley…
You mention Hundley as an “open steroid user”. I have never heard his name brought up in any press reports. I would suspect that he was given how he all of a sudden went from single digit homers to the 30’s and 40’s but I never heard it officially.
You are right…..good catch…my reasoning below:
First off….if Todd Hundley wasnt on steroids than no one was…this is the guy who came to Spring Training one year too stiff with muscle to swing a bat…..
And take this for what its worth…ie, not much since you dont know me and whether or not I would be honest…but I have a friend who played with Hundley at one point and said he was completely open about it and left the drugs out in the open….
Hundley was also a boozer. Cool guy.
Cheating has happened in baseball since the game was invented….
What the difference now?? Players are taking advantage of any edge they can get….
As technology advances doesn’t it make perfect sense that the form of cheating would evolve as well??
It has gone from fixing games, to “enhancing” equipment, and now to “enhancing” ones own body….all the while with in game cheating happening on a regular basis…
It’s not illegal to cork a bat.
Fine achilles…if your problem is the legal aspect of the matter thats fine….
My statement is more for those who think these guys are bad because they cheated…and for the people who don’t consider Barry the real HR king….
As long as people remain consistent I have no problem….its when Barry bashers will defend Mike Piazza when his name ends up on that list that I will have a problem…
The high liklihood that a certain 62nd round draft pick who didnt hit well enough to be a 1st baseman and then became the greatest hitting catcher of all time was a steroid user is the main reason that I have supported Barry and all other who have been targeted by the media…
Now tomorrow I will have my day…
That’s gonna be your day? Wow, you musn’t have many good days.
haha achilles….figure of speech my man….
Lets just say I am looking forward to see who flip-flops when their hero is on the list….
Yes, it is.
Lots of ugly stuff on baseball’s underbelly, that’s for sure. The Mets former clubhouse guy, their former headgroundskeeper, something weird going on in Montreal with John Franco, something weird about that bar in the Bronx where Yanks and Mets hung out with shady characters at, supervisor of the umps Garcia’s shady connections, probably tons more that we don’t know about. The thing is most of it goes away, because the folks involved in all of this are in power and make sure of it, like in other parts of our world.
As a fan and blogster, I don’t know, Matthew, what if any your responsibility is to check into this. As you mentioned, you aren’t and don’t want to be an investigative reporter, so I suppose it is just to report the facts as they seem to come forward, the buzz and your and others opinions – and you do it quite well.
at any rate, there is a public relations tactic that aims to confuse an audience by actually inundating them with the same bad news they are supposed to fear, instead of trying to cover it up, all while hitting the audience with tons of confusing opinion, facts, stats and mixed messaging…in the end, the audience gets fatigued by the confusion and constant pounding, and they actually start to tune out and ignore it all…in short, the audience no longer cares any more, and they just go about their business as though the bad news isn’t even occurring, even though it still is
For a second Matt, I thought you were writing about your reporting of the Santana situation.
You are giving that asshat Bud Selig way too much credit for suggesting a cover-up on the steroids issue. Selig is totally clueless (the photo of him shrugging his shoulders at the ‘tie’ all-star game should be his legacy), this is just another example of his problem-solving/damage control skills.
Tons of guys did steroids for many years, that’s a given. There’s no way to sort out who did what and when…what is being done NOW is the question…and since the technology does NOT exist to test for HGH right now, that’s a big problem.
havent there been studies that show HGH doesnt even help improve performance? im not saying all roids but just HGH.
OK Barry.
here we go:
http://www.sabernomics.com/sabernomics/index.php/2007/04/i-dont-worry-about-hgh-in-baseball-and-neither-should-you
thank you google.
It is an indirect effect…steriods don’t help you pitch, hit, or catch any better. Instead, it helps maintain stamina. Players get drained over the course of a long season, lose weight, etc….the steriods act as a mitigating factor…these players dont have the aches and pains you’d expect during a 162 game season…nagging injuries tend to heal much quicker too. In short, a player is better able to sustain playing at high intensity using steriords…
HGH provides the same benefit…Of couse, HGH has been linked to improved eye sight- that would be the only direct effect, but its still a stretch.
i follow you about the steroids, but by that article – which seems much better referenced then most stuff you read about roids – the HGH anyone took was worthless. good for body building and distorting your appearance but otherwise worthless for athletics. but i’ll read anything that says differently if you got it.
Ken–I had read a research paper a while back which discussed HGH and eyesight…tried to find something on the web, but I can’t find anything….Either way like I said, the benefit is fringe at best.
Bring on the Omar bashers. Here they come…
John Heyman just said on WFAN that the Mets were not willing to include both Gomez and Martinez, and if they did then the deal would have probably been done for Santana.
Oh boy…. Sorry, you’ve got to make that deal.
First off, it’s Heyman, who as I recall has never been right about anything. Second, he says would have probably, not that it was a done deal. Relax.
I said “probably”, didn’t I? Sorry, the context, of course, is if this is actually true.
Also, if you see above, it was a lot more than just both of those guys. It was them, plus every legit P prospect we currently have. Plus 7 years and 20 mil … for a pitcher.
Far too much.
I said it before, and I’ll say it again:
Herschel Walker was the MVP of the Cowboys dynasty in the 90s because he was traded in 1989.
Am I willing to give up a lot for Johan? Absolutely. Am I willing to give up EVERYTHING for a guy who pitches once every five? No way in hell.
John Heyman never had good sources with Newsday. Why should we believe him?
Sad part of story is that the roids didn’t help sequi.
In regards to Chris Russo…How can any Mets fan take this guy seriously. He is objective as a stone. If it has to do with the Mets, he hates it. He only gives credit to the Mets when he has no choice. Chris is so frustrated with his Giants that he can only take pleasure in the woes of New York teams. Frankly I don’t even listen to Mike and the Maddog anymore. One is completely incoherent and the other one is a pompous fool. They better watch out because already the best sports talk show on WFAN is Boomer and Carton in the morning.
If Roger Clemens is not on that report, the whole thing is a farce.