According to the Daily News, The Cubs are shopping RHP Jason Marquis, ‘and apparently like Endy Chavez.’
…well, they can like him, but they’re not getting him…
Marquis won at least 12 games in each of the last four seasons, while compiling a 4.54 ERA and averaging 33 starts per year.
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I don’t know.. i’m not a huge marquis fan but i do think he’s a decent pitcher. I wouldn’t mind him as a #5
I dated his sister for a short while.. no joke!
I hope she doesn’t look like him!
A 4th OFer for a 5th starter out of the question? Matt, wake up. gomez is endy-light.
Achilles400, I couldn’t agree more. Endy is not much more than “the catch.”
oh, but what a catch it was! …otherwise, I agree
I have been saying this for a long, Endy is a 4th-5th OF…not a key cog.
Endy was the glue for a while in that outfield, and he (Homers notwithstanding) is a complete ballplayer. he made that catch because he knows how to play, knows where he has to be before the ball is hit. has gotten good at bats if not key hits and always always hustles!! He is what every manager would want coming off the bench and many would like him in their starting lineup. I am an Endy Chavez fan bigtime. He is a smooth operator out there and a tough out.
You cant trade Endy “The Catch” Chavez. Thats some bad karma!
LOL….I dated Isringhausen for a bit in the mid-90’s….can we bring him to the bullpen?
I was going to make a crass remark about his ears but I’ll take the high road. ;-)
His hearing was fabulous :)
heh..SURE!
I love a couple doors down from Tom Glavine’s niece… can we sign hi…. oops never mind
I met Shawn Estes once.Can we bring him back?
David Cone showed me his…oh never mind
LOL! ;-)
I went to camp with John Franco’s niece, let’s sign her!
She’s gotta be better than he was!
What about Piazza’s missus? She was a familiar face on certain computer screens and magazines in the 1990s.
i seen pictures of jose lima’s wife… sign him err
yea lets do this. this way when we trade gomez and martinez for johan santana we have no outfielders!!!
I like endy a lot…but i think the whole god-like status he has around here is a little overblown
that being said, marquis would pretty much match glavine’s numbers from last year…probably exceed them
if a frontline starter can’t be aquired, this wouldn’t be a terrible option
If we trade Endy Chavez we’d instantly have to promote Ender Chavez to fill the void.
Trade Endy, and ship out Ender.
but Ender is the only hope for human kind…
Ender will save us all.
There is always Bean!
but if we trade Ender, it’ll inhibit Bean’s development.
Perhaps we can send Ender to the Cubs and pass him off and Endy.
Jason Marquis? No thank you.
If we wanted to pick up a 5th starter who is a stiff, we can always get Vicente Padilla for a bag of jellbeans.
(Yes, i randomly insulted Padilla, but it’s true)
Marquis is a frustrating pitcher. He gives up a lot of hits, and a lot of walks. That’s a recipe for disaster. At least someone like Carlos Silva (who gives up a ton of hits) doesn’t walk anyone. I would stay away from Marquis.
the moment I read your post Mister Koo was also the first moment in my lifetime that I viewed Carlos Silva in anything that could be called a positive light. An extremely dim light, but…
Haha, well, there is always someone worse out there. Having great control is something Silva will always be able to hang his hat on, no matter if the league hits .380 against him. At the very least, he makes the opposing team earn their runs (unlike Kenny Rogers vs Andruw Jones in 1999).
OMG bringing up the Gambler (he only knew when to fold ‘em) only makes that dim light grow brighter. Silva should consider firing his agent and hiring you.
Never give up Endy!!!!!
In all seriousness though, I hate to say it, but Marquis for Endy wouldn’t be such a bad deal. Still though, I’d absolutely hate to see him leave.
I do like Endy very much however as our roster is currently compiled he does not fit in well. Marlon Anderson is the #1 lefty pinch hitter and can also play OF. With Church in RF and Alou subject to missing games we would be more balanced with a fourth OF that hits RH with some pop.
Church can play CF so we don’t necessarily ned to carry a back-up CF .
Except with all the raping going on in the trade market…I’d expect Gomez, FMart and at least one of the Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey triumverate to be required to make that deal.
Moving Endy is not a terrible idea. He is pretty one dimensional and since Church has played a ton of CF….he could certainly handle the duties there when Beltran needs a blow. We could then secure a guy like Nady in a trade. Pelfrey, Heilman and Gomez for Snell and Nady.
Endy traded for Marquis
Rotation
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Snell
Marquis
reserves Humber and Mulvey and the rest of the youth minus Gomez.
Nady can spell 1b and RF against LH pitching
I’m still waiting for this Nady/Snell trade to happen.
Whats not to like?!?
Yeah, a starting pitcher with a decent career track record for an overrated bench player????
if Marquis was a viable 5th starter/innings eater type, then it would be a good deal.
Endy is pretty much 1 demensional at this point 9D), and he may be the off man out if they pick up a RH OF like Mench or Nady. I still don’t think they want to go with Easley on any regualr basis splitting time with Church.
190+ IP last 4 years
id rather just sign livan. the 4th OF position on our team is really more a 3 1/2 OFer considering how much he will play for alou. sadly we cant afford to trade endy chavez unless we have an equal if not better option for the OF (kevin mench)
He’s the definition of a fifth starter: utterly mediocre at best, downright awful at worst; no upside; but he can probably give you 200 ever-so-slightly-better-than-replacement-level innings.
At least Silva is a credible finesse pitcher. Marquis has nothing.
He got my friends and I front row tickets to the Cardinals Pirates game. I say DO IT
Sign Silva and Livan and the rotation is upgraded. That’s 400 innings, which will save the pen for September.
Endy Chavez…I hope you’re playing today…
I don’t know about this, I kind of like having Endy on the bench…
So does Willie.
Matt is getting a bit saucy. You took Paulie away frmo him, now don’t you dare take Endy! LOL
I am not crazy about this, but I would think about it.4th OF for a 5th started. I would wait and see what Humfrey gives you before making this move. This should be an emergency move done during the season.
I’d sign Silva as a first 5th starter option.. then Marquis and then Livan.
Silva: 36 walks in 202 innings!
Though, he does give up a ton of hits. His WHIP is 1.312.
Marquis’ career WHIP is 1.42
Silva and Marquis are very similar pitchers.
Marquis 1.42 WHIP for his career, 1.39 last year.
Silva 1.37, 1.31.
That being said, Silva will cost 4 years at 10+???? Marquis cost 16 for 2 years.
Re: Marquis, what pitcher have the Braves unloaded who went on to bigger and better things? Millwood, Chen?
Glavine and his fantastic 300th win with us !!!!!!!!!!
Yea, they similarly suck.
You’ve obviously never seen either of these guys pitch if,
you think they’re basicaly the same.
Ones a pitch to contact guy whos not a very hard thrower
and the others a moderately hard thrower whos problem
is he thinks he can strike out everyone.
One guy is just entering his prime and is getting better
while the others leveled off and has been the same pitcher
for 4/5 yrs. now.
Given the two, you go pay Silva in a heartbeat.
I suppose you are right but I still wonder if its money and or years to commit. Marquis is less money and only 2 years. That does not tie up a place for Pelfrey and others.
O.K. to be realistic about our pitching situation,
Looks like neither Humber or Pel are gonna get
a fair shake by Omar/Willie and with Pedro.perez,
maine locked in we NEED an innings eater.
For a #5-Duques health can’t be trusted and Sosa
if back is really a swing guy. So, you bring in aSilva as
opposed to a Colon whos health you also cant trust
or a Livan who, while also an Innings eater is clearly
on the downside yet will likely cost about as much as silva. This way O still has chips available during season if/when someone else becomes available.
Why do you guys keep insisting on getting those guys? There are a lot of teams hurting for starting pitching out there and nobody’s beating down their doors. If we cant make the trade for Santana I’d rather give our own guys the chance to start. They could do no worse then any of those guys and do it for less money. Money that can be used at a later date on something more worth it.
Endy cannot go anywhere! If we want a fifth starter isn’t there a former Cy Young winner available by the name of Bartolo Colon. He won’t cost much since most of baseball doesn’t think much of him. But as a 5th starter why the hell not!
I guess I can agree with that, he has had no sucess lately though. If we keep Pelfrey and the crew and trade for Nady and Marte I would be ok with going into the season.
I agree with this and with almost every one else in this thread.. why give up endy for Marquis when all of the available #5 FA pitchers are equal to him or better.. significantly better. For me this is not really out of any necessity to keep Endy, but rather out of a dislike of Marquis in comparison with the rest of the free agent pitchers. I like Endy and he is good defensively, but I also think he is overrated and replaceable. But giving him up for a mediocre at best pitcher when you can sign a mediocre or better pitcher without giving up anything, is pretty silly.
Unless we really do have a budget and they don’t want to pay Livan or Silva 10+ a year when they can pay Marquis 8? Or the fact that maybe Livan and Silva are asking for 4 years and Marquis would only clog up the rotation for 2.
damn, this is like answering your door bell on October 30th to find multiple bags of flaming poo on your doorstep and trying to decide which one to put out first.
+5 re:poo bags
It’s a good point, if that were true. But who’s to say Livan will get 4 years anywhere? I’d rather pay $10mill a year for 2 years for Livan, than pay $8mill for 2 years for Marquis and have to give up endy to get him.
Absoloutely agree!–I’d take Livan over Marquis
at any price. Just think with the market Livan is
Gonna get 3/30-35 f/ someone.
SO, if thats the case go another yr/same $$ on
Silva.
Don’t the Cubs have like infinite outfielders? They have Pie, Murton, Fuku, Soriano, and Angel Pagan. Yeesh.
Did this rumor come up before or after the Fukudome signing?
I would love to do a Murton, Marquis for Gotay, Chavez trade.
Trade Marquis to the Twins and we’ll send someone the Cubs way and the balance to the Twins for Santa-na….I could be GM!
I hope you are joking right?
Ofcourse I am. I’d rather see one of our own guys drop dead on their face than see Marquis pitch to a 5 era.
While you’re at it, send Brian Schneider and Carlos Delgado over to the Twins for Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau.
That’s asking too much, I’ll take just Morneau for that deal.
HELL NO! Endy goes nowhere. How many big plays does he make in his limited playing time!?! IMO the best bench player in the league. Besides Marquis sucks.
He’s not even the best bench player on his team.
Endy is Easley (excuse the pun) overated. Anderson and Easley are the best pinch hitters on the team and both can play the OF. Maybe not as well as Chavez but their bat makes up for it. Plus Church can play CF if Beltran is out and then one of those 2 play RF. You have to also think that maybe Omar wants Gomez on the MLB roster as the RH back up OF or he plans on signing a guy like Mench or Stewart or trading for a Nady or Murton.
I hate to say this, but this appears to be the same line of thinking that led us to trade Milledge for Schneider and Church. We have a hole and if Omar can’t get a frontline starter, he just might go fill it with whatever crap is out there. Marquis? c’mon that guy has NEVER had an ERA below 4 and is almost guaranteed to have one above 5 next year. Plus, his contract is colossal for a long reliever at best.
I’d much rather have Pelfrey, Humber or Heilman as my #5. At least there’s upside there. Marquis lost his upside a long time ago. Maybe before Atlanta traded him. This trade would make no sense!
I agree, we have several #5 guys with better upside unless they all go to Twins for Santana.
ANY ONE NOTICE HOW BIG MILLEDGE LOOKED AT THE INTRO OF HIM AND LODUCA IN NATIONALS PRESS CONFERENCE?
He looked swollen like he had been eating carbs all winter so far and gained like 15 pounds. Maybe it was my TV (just got one of the newer flat panels which I am still getting used to the stretched picture).
Still Loduca looked normal but Milledge looked heavy. It could be muscle he packed on or it could be lazy fat. I’d have to see him without a shirt and tie on and wearing his uniform to know
Does anyone know how many innings a year Marquis typically pitches? Is he an inning eater enough to be a viable back-up option when we can’t nail a front liner?
190+
oh, innings. For a sec I thought you were giving Kalihan42 some points
Marquis for Endy? I’ll take a 5th starter who will throw 200IP’s with a 4.00-4.50 ERA, basically Glavine at this point in his career.
Hell, he even threw a CG last year, which we failed to do (rain-shortened games don’t count).
That also speaks to Willie’s abuse of the bullpen
What was Willie to do, Keep starters in who throw
100+ pitches in 4/5 innings while giving up 8/9 hits and
4/5 runs ?? OR go to his great middle Inning guy
Aaron”home-run”Sele??
Shhhhhhhhhhhh! Again, logic is not allowed in here.
im starting to get antsy i havent gotten my santana false hope fix yet.
Okay…how’s this….the Red Sox deal seems not to have gone anywhere because we havn’t heard anything today….that must mean the mets still have hope…how did that work for you?
I really hope no one in the mets organization seriously entertains this. its just a pointless, nothing trade that no one should be concentrating on. The way I see it – Jason “The Pride of Staton Island” Marquis will just be competing with Pelfry and Humber for that 5th spot, and we’ll be giving up the defense and speed of Endy for an spring training audition. Focus on real pitching.
+5
Defense and speed? We’re giving up a 4th OF who can’t hit.
Marquis is a proven starter who eats innings. Would you rather Endy start 30 games and hit .270 with a .300 SLG or Lima/Park/etc. start 7-8 games this year?
Chavez wins more games in the OF than Marquis does on the mound.
You are a moron, wow.
Thank you.
LIMA–TIME !!–Baby !
I’d agree that you might want Marquis only if the younger guys went ina trade for Santana. That being said aren’t there better options from free agents i.e. Livan (yes I know he’s fat and old) to eat innings – again as long as we have Santana. Chavez is very valuable to this team since Alou will only play 100 games, and Easley is not an outfielder.
Isn’t Marquis always left off the playoff rosters? For a team with playoff aspirations, isn’t that a bad thing? I don’t necessariliy like LIvan, but at least he has playoff experience.
Besides, Marquis went to Tottenville HS, so he’s probably a yankee fan anyway. ;)
He is a “Life-Long Yankee Fan”.
So, eff him !—Based on THAT alone !!
Endy is great, but a fourth outfielder is replaceable. I’d do this trade in an instant, no hesitation.
I’d stay away from Prior – I expect big things from Pelfrey this year, whether or not he’s with the Mets. If they don’t trade him, I think he’ll be a nice 5th starter, and I expect him to win at least 12 games.
So if you’re expecting Pelf to win 12 games why are you trading for Marquis?? Do you really think he’s going to win more than that with his 5+ era? I think Pelf/Humber can easily pitch 200+ innings between the two of them. If they’re both on the team all year, then you’re giving away Endy for NOTHING as Marquis will have no real place on this team… that is if this team is going to win more than 85 games this year…
NY Times reporting that the roids report will “name names.” Upto 50 players linking to using.
I love how every media outlet has every detail of every
speech every President makes , the last 20 yrs. BEFORE
he gives it. YET nothing in way of names/details on the
MItchell report.
up to 50? puhahahaha
can’t we name 50 just off the tops of our heads?
Trivia: Marquis pitched for the Braves on 9/21/01, throwing 6 innings w/ 1 ER and 4 Ks.
that’s ace material
The Mets already have a boatload of #4/#5 type starters with bad K/9. And no way Minaya would ever trade a lat*no guy for a white guy anyway. Either get a BIG pitcher or do nothing at all.
Hey wait a Second, you sound just like me .
You racs*st, anti-sem*te hate monger you.
Thank god you didnt include the letter i there, not offensive at all now.
stfu J.R. dot-head
I don’t understand why you wouldn’t pull the trigger on this one. Like krumbledkookie said, he’s a 4th outfielder. We can get another one. He’s a good option as a 5th starter and if someone gets hurt in the rotation, your thankful you have him. Do it.
Marquis can replace Endy as a pinch hitter/OF
I do not disagree with Endy being a 4th outfielder at all, and I understand what your saying, but, seriously, Jaosn Marquis isn’t doing a thing for this team – except maybe tricking the fans into thinking hes gonna be a decent innings-eater with 4 good starts in the first 6 games he pitches of the season, and then totally IMPLODING. The getting “pulled in the 2nd”, “exhausting our bullpen” type of stuff. If you wanna trade Endy, include him in the supposed deal of Johan, but not for Marquis. I just want the Mets to focus somewhere else -that’s all.
Matt,
Require IQ tests before you get a chance to post comments. PLEASE!!!
a baseball IQ test!
the only reason jagr is where he is , is because of straka
jagr’s mullet is the source of his great skill.
your ice-landers? ha! where’s steve sommers to shut you up with a great cut piece?
Fish-sticks are more like it!
And you talk about cheap owners!
Half the $$$ in the world, wont spend anything,
has lackies in mgmt. A players wife rapin’ coach
and they play in a hell hole of an arena under the
arm pit of weak island.
I think you should send Steve an email and let him open with this post tonight after the game…
Well I can’t argue about the Knicks, but I can’t say that Dolan’s been a bad owner to the Rangers since the lockout. The thing about Dolan – he doesn’t really want to be involved. That’s why Isaiah is the team president/coach and Sather is the president/gm. We’re just lucky that Sather has a better head on his shoulders than Isaiah. As for Cablevision, I couldn’t care less. I steal their internet and the gold cable package for a lousy $30/month.
That said, $14 for a hot dog and a beer is just ridiculous. Even Shea doesn’t have those prices….
Yeah, they won their 4 cups A LONG TIME AGO!
Then,turned their backs on all the guys who won for
them!!—-And Yeah, screw the dolans BUT over the
years atleast our Management teams TRIED to WIN!
Can fish strick fans say the same?
All 20 of you fish sticks fans sound just like kc royal
fans to cardinal fans, ha,ha look how many rings
you’ve won over the yrs. A LONG TIME AGO!!
How’d ya like being a royal fan for the past 20+?
Same thing! Kids have been born,grown up and
graduated college since you guys mattered at all!
Lastly, atleast if the sticks ever do win again, now
that roosevelt raceway is gone and the mall has
expanded parking, you guys can have a real parade!
my grandma cuts Al Leiters moms hair lol
does her mom talk as much she does?
Sounds like he gets moderate innings from what people are telling me.
I think we have to look at this through the lense of what other moves we make this off season. If we move Pelf and Humber in a deal for a top of the rotation pitcher, want to move Duque to the pen becasue of an opening from Mota and we sign a guy like Mench to eb a 4th outfielder, Chavez becomes expendable and a Marquis deal makes sense. Now if we don’t get a decent fielding back-up for the outfield and we don’t trade Pelfand Humber and they are competing for the 5th spot, this does not make much sense. It all depends on what the mets do.
I’m sitting at work reading this article and this came to mind:
1) Pedro
2) Kazmir
3) Maine
4) Perez
5) Bannister
I know it’s unrelated to the conversation at hand but I’ll be damned if that rotation doesn’t impress me.
Except for the fact that we may not have had Perez or Maine if we had kept Kazmir.
ok, get the Tigers involved. Have Omar convince them by doing this trade, it will make them stronger than the Yanks or Sox. FMart to the Tigers, who send Brandon Inge to the Twins. We send Gomez, Pelfrey, Humber and Heilman to the Twins, we get back Santana and Craig Monroe.
Tigers get rid of a proven major league ready player that the Twins need, but they get back a stud prospect to replenish their farm system since they just depleted it. They also know that Santana is out of their division and out of the AL East. Addition by subtraction, Tigers are now favorites.
Twins get Inge and Gomez for their starting lineup, Pelfrey for their rotation, Heilman for set up or close if the Twins trade Nathan, and Humber in the wings.
We get Santana and Monroe, who is now the 4th OF so we can trade Endy for Marquis.
Starting rotation is Santana, Pedro, Maine, Perez and Marquis with El Duque backing them up. Bench is Monroe, Marlon Anderson, Easley, Gotay and Castro.
If the Tigers get involved they are going to want to dump I-Rod in the deal to get out from under his contract. That should be factored in
Remember, Inge has no position now with the Tigers and asked to be traded and Monroe gives our bench 2 righty’s, two lefty’s and a switch hitter.
well, it’s a LOT easier pitching in Shea than at Wrigley
without knowing, would guess that Marquis has good stats at Shea – I seem to remember he’s had some good starts against us
go out and get him, but tell me we’re better off with Marquis in the rotation than Heilman
and when asked on SNY the other day, why Heilman can’t start, Omar said – based on the evidence
Heilman is the last Met with a complete game 1 hitter
look it up
that’s all the evidence I need
Free Aaron Heilman!
at Shea – Marquis:
2 – 2, 4.70 era, 44 inn., 45 hits, 27 K’s, 20 BB’s
Well, if Pudge isn’t on George Mitchell’s list tomorrow, you can do the same deal and just swap Pudge and Scneider and leave everything else the way I proposed it.
That may be the biggest “IF” in the history of metsblog.com
Endy Chavez is very overated-he is a very good defensive outfielder and yes he made that great catch but he had a very mediocre year at the plate and is no more than a singles hitter
JM
big fan of hit the weights zeile
Wasnt it Soda Popsinski though?
kiners korner brings back memories
No…it was definitely Soda Popinski. How about Piston Honda and Bald Bull?
Body Blow!
knock him out! knock him out!
Piston Honda? I dig. What about Glass Jaw…or Glass Joe…or whatever his name was…
Ding ding!
…meaning “you win”, not “you’re a ding ding”.
Ding Ding Ding…He gets no win and Piazza’s the hero. memories, memories…
both…piazza wins with his 34th HR in the first game since 9/11. Bruce Chen went 7 w/ 1 ER, and none other than Armando Benitez finishes.
Go to the Yankees the next year and hit 27 homers and make the all star team.
Not to be defending anyone, but he didn’t really “say” anything and neither you nor anyone in “this room” heard him say anything and therefore didn’t “listen” to anything he said. I think you guys are on a much closer intelligence level than you realize…
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