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According to the Kyodo News, RHP Hiroki Kuroda has informed the Hiroshima Carp that he will sign a contract with the Dodgers.
‘Citing baseball sources,’ Kuroda is expected to leave for Los Angeles today and sign a contract believed to be worth $30 million over three years.
…hat tip to Rotoworld for the link…
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Thank goodness… One less mistake available for the Mets to make…
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I’ve heard people liken him to the fat toad…
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All these japanese players come into the league with high hopes and none of them pan out….I totally agree with Liability…
The only japanese players who actually are putting up good numbers are Ichiro and Hideki Matsui….
Dice K was given all of that money and he did OK, but Oliver Perez was better than him
Yeah but you also have to realize that Dice-K relied more on his fastball last year, thats a big adjustment. I think he is going to be better this coming year
In other breaking news, the Mets have signed (again) Tsuyoshi Shinjo to fill the void in right field…
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Noooo!!!!!
http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/shinjo0429.jpg
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You left our Saito on the Dodgers and Hideki Okajima – both outstanding relievers.
and what are their salaries?
Actually, the big mistake that I’m glad the Mets didn’t make was signing that 3rd basemen (Nakamura?) a few years ago. He’s the one who felt slighted somehow, and signed with the Dodgers instead. It worked out okay for us…
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Will the Mets be making any off season moves?
(A real mananger, perhaps?)
I think not making a move here is a good move. We don’t need to spend $30 million on a guy who’s projecting to be in the mid 5’s era. We could sign a FA pitcher for a lot less to give us that, only they’d probably give us more innings.
This mornings Daily News reports we are speaking to the Cubs; Jason Marquis, the Staten Island phenom, for —–are you sitting down—- Endy Chavez!
What, he listens to rap music!
The peolpe running my team are morons!!!!!
I don’t beleive that rumor.
cold be true. I think that Endy could be the odd man out if they get a Nady or Mench to serve as a RH power bat for OF and 1B spot duty.
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do you get my point?
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Starters
•RHP Carlos Silva: He chews up innings, rarely walks batters, induces groundballs and is 55-46 lifetime. This year, that’s enough to make Silva arguably the No. 1 free agent starter available. A move away from the Metrodome’s artificial turf could make him even more effective.
•RHP Bartolo Colon: There’s a gaggle of proven pitchers rebounding from injury available; Colon is the only one with a Cy Young Award. But elbow and rotator cuff injuries the past two seasons limit his value; he could be a good buy on a short-term, incentive-laden deal.
•RHP Livan Hernandez: He’s never been on the disabled list and has led the NL in innings pitched three times this decade, so clubs know what they’re getting. But he pitches heavily to contact, so a defense-minded team would be a better fit.
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That’s definitely not getting annoying. It’s also completely necessary…right?
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The points thing stops.
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Point guy rules!!
I’ve always been a fan of keeping our prospects and signing a FA like Silva. Trading for Santanta may guarantee us a post season birth, but it also guarantees that our farm system will be a fallow wasteland for years to come. Pedro, Maine, Perez, Silva, Pelfry/Humber/El Duque is a rotation a lot of teams would be envious of, especially if it means we keep the talent we’ve got in the minors right now.
I know what you mean, but if Santana gets us a pennant, or even a championship, I can live with the farm system stinking for a few years. Its a gamble either way you play it. Personally, I’d rather gut the system for Santana and make the biggest push that I can, but I can see the arguement against it.
Believe me, I’d love to have Santana, and I’m not really arguing against getting him. I’m merely pointing out that the upside that even if we don’t get him, we still have a formidable rotation if we sign a FA innings eater.
Why does everyone think Santana is a quick fix? He isn’t. A top line starting pitcher wouln’t have saved us from collapse last year. Even if we made the playoffs last season, that collapse would not be overlooked by management.
We get Santana we get more wins – but we don’t necessarily get a championship. Even with Santana, we aren’t better than Boston or Detroit, and the Dodgers are going to be a dangerous team this year. There is no way that 1 player can have enough impact to push us over the hump, even if it is Santana. Delgado will still swing through curveballs and not catch up to fastballs, Castillo’s knees will still fail on him, Ollie will still freak out when he gives up runs, Maine will still tire by season’s end, Wagner will still go through a rough patch, Beltran will still get nicked up…get where’s I’m going with this?
Sure Santana improves our chances, but in no way is a miracle solution.
Lots of teams would envy Santana – Pedro – Perez – Silva – Pelfrey/Duque/Humber, too.
Maine + Gomez + Mulvey for Santana becomes doable if you have a serious innings eater ready to go…like Silva. If MN has a salary to dump, I’d consider adding a 4th player.
I think Maine is more attractive in a trade than Perez b/c he’s got less service time than Perez; Ollie has a higher ceiling, but is more likely to be erratic.
You have a hole in your rotation so to fix that you want to trade one of your starters to fill that hole? Does that not mean you still have a hole to fill? I don’t believe trading a pitcher in your starting rotation (young starter) for another starting pitcher. I think if you can trade Pelfrey or Mulvey and then one of your outfield prospects then do it; otherwises I am against trading a starting pitcher that has established himself in the rotation
I think that this trade has some weight to it actually, and I think its a better deal than the pitching heavy one proposed in the opening post. The key point to all of this being that you have to find someone to replace Glavine’s innings and production. Thats why i have been interested in Silva. The knocks on him are that he gives up alot of hits and home runs, but he eats innings, gets wins, and its not like he is leaving the Metrodome to pitch in Citizens Bank park or something. He never walks people which i think you all would agree is key to not having uncontrollablly big innings, and he gets wins. In 2005 he walked nine guys in 188 innings for crying out loud. He is the perfect number 4 or 5 starter. Put a weight clause in his contract so he dont balloon up and give him four years. He will be thirty two at the end of the contract.
Exactly; why would we want a championship when we have the opportunity to be the laughing stock of MLB again this year?
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The guy also has a fairly high whip….So that means that if his control ever deteriorates, than he is finished…I see him as a one trick pony, and once he starts walking people, he will be done…I don’t see him as reliable..
not a bad read…
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=pearlman/071210
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+1 IP Ban
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i’m not spamming, i’m merely commenting more succintly
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Thats five minutes of my life that I can’t get back
OK, let’s go big with this stuff. TIme for Omar to step up and blow the doors off. Also need to get the Twins to face reality, and he shouldn’t pay 150% more than the Red Sox or Stankees.
Let’s remake the team.
GOmez, Mulvey, Heilman and 1-2 of mid teir guys (Smith, Carp, Harper) for Santana, and maybe a salary dump for the BP if they have one.
Then, trade martinez + Humber? Gotay? for Snell and Nady.
Then the big twist. Trade Ollie Perez for some prospects to help rebuild the system. With the crazy price for pitching, even as a rental, he should bring back some solid pieces to help shore up the farm. Get a solid 1B of the future, or a hot prospect OF or C.
If you could pull these moves off, pitching could be set for years, since the rotation will all be under control.
Santana
Pedro
Maine
Snell
Duque to begin, ultimately pelfrey takes over.
If they extend Pedro for 1-2 years, that would be a killer rotation and signed for a number of years.
Perez is expendable to pull some prespects back in, plus they would be too lefty dominant with him. But even with that, if they keep him too, wow!
Pen will be Wags, Feliciano, Sanchez (cross fingers), schoe, Register, Pelfrey? Rutich/Kunz/Muniz/whomever.
Nady spots Church and Delgado as needed against a lefty.
Hey, one can dream, right?
Stick….I appreciate the bold effort here. I like the Santana trade and the one for Snell and Nady. But the repopulation effort of prospects for dumping Perez is not good in my eyes.
If you could haul Phillip Hughes and 2 B+ pitching prospects…then maybe you do it.
But most teams would not offer that. We would be lucky to get 2 Humbers for one Perez. And I really like him. Just he is a free agent at years end and he still is a bit more in the potential category rather than proven
Yeah, after further review, might just as well keep him, assuming we can get him signed to a contract extension.
If you could extend his contract, try for nady for a smaller part (1 pitcher?) and be in pretty much the same place.
Or, extend him, and pull off the Snell trade and be in good shape even without Santana (maybe even better).
Pedro
Perez
Maine
Snell
Duque -> Pelfrey with Humber/Mulvey in reserve or the pen.
That could easily be the best rotation top to bottom in the league. And plenty good enough to get them to the post season.
Wonder if the Pirates like Gomez as much as the Twins?
Gomez + 1 P (Humber/Mulvey) + part (Carp? Harper? Gotay?) for Snell and Nady.
You still have Martinez, Pelfrey, Guerra, on the farm.
I like the fresh idea – I just don’t think the Pirates will Trade any of their 2 top guys – Snell or Gorzelanny. I still think we should have pushed for Lowry. It have taken Milledge + a prospect. He’s a 28 year old finesse pitcher who has had good results.
I would also love to see the Mets somehow pull in Lincecum, but that’s just a pipedream.
Oops, Lowry is 26.
LOL another unknow like Hung Chi Kuo to shut us down for 6 innings with 2 hit ball.
It’s all good, I still got love for us.
Hope that Marquis/Endy thing isn’t true, haha. I love me some Chavez.
I think most people overblow Endy’s abilities. He’s a fourth outfielder at best. Yes, it’s nice to have a good guy off the bench that can also play light’s out defense, and I’m certainly not advocating trading him, but…he’s not that good of a player.
I agree – if we could get good value for him I would trade him. But Manaya won’t – he Willie both love the guy.
we won’t get much back, not worth a trade
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You’re all obsessed with this Santana thing, aren’t ya?
Santana would make a big splash, but it is a move that lacks perspective.
Take a look at some of the most successful teams in recent years:
2007 Red Sox
2007 Rockies
2007 Indians
2006 Twins
2005 White Sox
The Braves of the last 15 years
They all have one thing in common: Home grown talent at the core of their group. Sans pitching we could add the phillies to that group, the ones who took us out this year.
It makes no sense to gut th farm for a roll of the dice win now situation. We got to have patience. When I look at our team alongside the others in the league, I don’t see Santana as the deal breaker. Why put all the eggs in one basket.
With the mentioned aging stars (Delgado, Wagner, Pedro, Alou, El Dugque) on their way down and or/out I don’t think we can pull it off this year. But Beltran, Reyes, and Wright have 3-5 years minimum of peak years ahead. I would rather see a dynasty in 3 years than a win now and mediocrity for the next 10. Buts thats me…
Here’s some into logic:
A–>B does not equal B–>A
Thank you! Finally someone other than me says it. We need these prospects; if not to build our team up post Alou, Wagner, Delgado etc…but to use as bait to get young players that we’ll need later. Luis Castillo’s knees will give out before the end of his deal, and we still need a catcher (Tony Pena’s son isn’t impressing.)
We have 3 1st rounders this year – I hope we can hold on to all three, and draft the best 1B prospect available and 2 Starters. The other option is to make a push for Texiera next season.
Either way, Going crazy for Santana and effectively wiping out our farm system will hurt us more than help. Santana will bring us 5-8 wins over Glavine, but he isn’t a cure-all.
Texeiera’s re-signing with ATL, write it down.
Ok, I wrote it down. Now what?
There’s no guarentee he’ll sign there. It really all depends on how well the team does next season.
napes22,
One year, I will remind you. He will stay with ATL
what home grown talent did the red sox of 07 or even 04 have? manny? no, ortiz? no, schilling? no, pedro? no, beckett? no, lowell? no, drew? no, dice k? no. you do need home grown talent to win like papelbon or youklis but you also need those big name guys around them that may not be homegrown. theres no 1 single formula to winning look at the 97 marlins that was ridiculous they literally bought a ring then sold off the team. you just need to put the best team you can out on the field, how you get those players that make up the team is up to you.
Well, you don’t have to play all the homegrown talent. You can also use it to trade for the missing pieces (like Rameriz for beckett). Deep pockets help too, since the Sox had to take a bad (at the time) contract back in Lowell to get the deal done.
07 Red Sox do not belong on your list. Manny, papi, Beckett, Schilling, Dice K, Lowell. They had 2 home grown guys that contributed.
But about your point that most teams win with homegrown talent, you might be right, but you have to have a good farm system to be able to do that, and, the mets do not.
Don’t forget that Cano, Wang, and Melky on the Yankees were supposed to be marginal prospects and they all excelled at the major league level.
Wang wasnt in there system very long to even be considered a huge prospect. As for Cano, Ide say half of the hitters in last years allstar game werent highly rated prospects. And dont even get me started on Melky. He;s not good, won’t be good, and still hasnt done anything in the big leagues to prove that he’s good.
That being said, I just dont see it in the Mets guys. Ive seen Pelfrey and Humber pitch and their stuff is subpar. Gomez and Martinex I’ll include because you have to give up something to get the best pitcher in the game.
good point about needing the prospects to bring in missing parts (trade if they can’t fill themselves).
Especially important now to keep viable prospects since fewer decent players are going to hit FA. This includes hitters, not just pitchers.
So you can’t be like theold Yankees where you just signed all the top FAs to cover for your mistakes. You better be able to work in young talent from the farm, and have good prospects to trade for what you are missing.
Within the next 2 years, they do need to replace C, LF and 1B, at minumum. Probably 2B too, since Castilo isn’t making it past 2 years on that deal.
Maybe some of the other guys on the farm will be the answer (Duda? Harper? Evans? That 2B kid? Who knows.
I’m still pulling for the independant league catcher myself!
Anyway, you need to have a prospect pipeline to fill these needs. Taking too many for 1 SP is of course living a little dangeously, but may be justified in certain cases.
The real problem is trading too much pitching from the top tier. That is where you are most likely to need help during the season (and on the Mets, OF too!). Not having a C or 2B or 1B prospect will bite you down the road.
yeah i agree with this choice. i dont even think anyone besides pelfrey is going to pan out, but all that for santana is just too much. the twins are asking too much when they are at a disadvantage.
Pelfrey/Humber/Mulvey may never turn into Santanas, but you’re also giving up on F-Mart and Gomez, who have the potential to be great everyday players. I think if you can keep one of them, and keep one of the above mentioned pitchers (and not do anything ridiculous like trade Reyes), it’s a no brainer. But the Twins clearly want more than that. A lot of people will be disappointed if we don’t get an ace, but i think signing a FA to give us depth at the back of the rotation would help enormously.. and to get back to the topic of the post, spending $30 million on an unproven Japanese pitcher who would probably do worse than one of the free agents currently available would have been folly.
I would sign Colon to a one year $6M deal with options on next year based on innings pitched etc.
This move does 3 things…..
1) Limits our risk for the player
2) Subtley tells the Twins we are shaping up the rotation without them
3) Allows us to trade 2 of the most ready pitching prospects (Humber and Pelfrey) without really hurting the team.
Same arguments can be made for Silva except his deal will be 4 yrs and $40 – $50M which is more $$ risk eliminating #1 in my comments above
When is everyone going to realize that Pelfrey and Humber are pieces of crap. Seriously. Pelfrey will be a decent setup guy and thats all. He has 1 plus pitch (fastball) and an OK slider. Humber is a dime a dozen and will never be more than a 5th starter. I would include them in all deals.
Mulvey, I dont know enought about but ide throw him in too based on probability of him not panning out.
I dont see Gomez ever being GREAT either so ide trade him too. He’s replacable. So basically, in my opinion a deal including Humber, Pelfrey, Gomez, and Martinez really only included 1 stud prospect w, hopefully gomez not becoming a beast, which I doubt.
So your opinion is that none of our prospects will pan out so lets dump them? Pelfrey’s window is closing, I agree, and Gomez’s lack of plate discipline is scary poor, but I wouldn’t write them off. As for Humber, this is his chance – 2 years off Tommy John, he should be at full strength.
Yoy completely dismiss the possibly that both pitchers (Pelfrey and Humber) could become john Maine?
What about Gomez and Fmart. Thought of as amongst 2 of the best outfield prospects in the game but you would trade them both away?
We should know better than anyone else who has the brightest future of the 4. Keep the one best OF prospect and one best P prospect then trade the other bests (Fmart or Gomez, Pelfrey or Humber) plus Mulvey and Heilman and other minor league talent if necessary. Trade the others…
Seriously though the devaluation of our prospects on this site is laughable
As early as last year…we traded Bannister for Burgos. Now Burgos has promise but is injured. But Bannister never lit up any of the Baseball America or prospect rating boards at all. I don’t even think he was a top 10 met prospect at any time. Yet….he goes out and has a year where he was dominant for stretches.
He is not half the pitcher that Pelfrey and Humber are expected to be yet there he is defying the odds.
Reyes and Wright were others in our system that we valued highly but fortunately decided to keep. Kazmir is another one…thought of very highly. Amongst the top pitching prospects in the game and we threw him away.
By some accounts here, Guys would have been completely comfortable trading away Reyes (the A+ positional prospect), Kazmir (the A pitching prospect), Heilman (the failed starting pitching prospect) and Bannister (the B- pitching prospect) plus a throw in C prospect pitcher for Santana.
Imagine giving away all that talent for just one pitcher
Good point on Maine. When we pulled in Maine he was a 24 year old who the Orioles had given up on due to lack of results. Ollie had collapsed, Bannister was a mediocre prospect (but in the ML level showed an ability to adjust), Cano and Wang on the Yankees were average prospects…the point is, you can’t write off a guy because they don’t perform immediately. Pelfrey has shown some great flashes, he just needs to learn to get the batter out when he gets ahead.
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yeah, the Wimplon’s could hire him as HR Director!
(and on a side note, I think Willie should wear that elf hat in the dugout; it’s him.)
I wouldn’t – could you imagine Jason Marquis running Venezuela?
Speaking of Hugo Chavez, he just created his own time zone.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7134927.stm
hahaha thats hilarious
anyone hear about iguchi signing with the padres?