Comments on: Buzz: Kuroda Chooses L.A. http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: twofours http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62908 twofours Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:37:25 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62908 Wang wasnt in there system very long to even be considered a huge prospect. As for Cano, Ide say half of the hitters in last years allstar game werent highly rated prospects. And dont even get me started on Melky. He;s not good, won't be good, and still hasnt done anything in the big leagues to prove that he's good. That being said, I just dont see it in the Mets guys. Ive seen Pelfrey and Humber pitch and their stuff is subpar. Gomez and Martinex I'll include because you have to give up something to get the best pitcher in the game. Wang wasnt in there system very long to even be considered a huge prospect. As for Cano, Ide say half of the hitters in last years allstar game werent highly rated prospects. And dont even get me started on Melky. He;s not good, won’t be good, and still hasnt done anything in the big leagues to prove that he’s good.

That being said, I just dont see it in the Mets guys. Ive seen Pelfrey and Humber pitch and their stuff is subpar. Gomez and Martinex I’ll include because you have to give up something to get the best pitcher in the game.

]]> By: napes22 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62781 napes22 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:49:53 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62781 :D :D

]]> By: napes22 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62779 napes22 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:49:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62779 Good point on Maine. When we pulled in Maine he was a 24 year old who the Orioles had given up on due to lack of results. Ollie had collapsed, Bannister was a mediocre prospect (but in the ML level showed an ability to adjust), Cano and Wang on the Yankees were average prospects...the point is, you can't write off a guy because they don't perform immediately. Pelfrey has shown some great flashes, he just needs to learn to get the batter out when he gets ahead. Good point on Maine. When we pulled in Maine he was a 24 year old who the Orioles had given up on due to lack of results. Ollie had collapsed, Bannister was a mediocre prospect (but in the ML level showed an ability to adjust), Cano and Wang on the Yankees were average prospects…the point is, you can’t write off a guy because they don’t perform immediately. Pelfrey has shown some great flashes, he just needs to learn to get the batter out when he gets ahead.

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62760 gowrightgo Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:42:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62760 Yoy completely dismiss the possibly that both pitchers (Pelfrey and Humber) could become john Maine? What about Gomez and Fmart. Thought of as amongst 2 of the best outfield prospects in the game but you would trade them both away? We should know better than anyone else who has the brightest future of the 4. Keep the one best OF prospect and one best P prospect then trade the other bests (Fmart or Gomez, Pelfrey or Humber) plus Mulvey and Heilman and other minor league talent if necessary. Trade the others... Seriously though the devaluation of our prospects on this site is laughable As early as last year...we traded Bannister for Burgos. Now Burgos has promise but is injured. But Bannister never lit up any of the Baseball America or prospect rating boards at all. I don't even think he was a top 10 met prospect at any time. Yet....he goes out and has a year where he was dominant for stretches. He is not half the pitcher that Pelfrey and Humber are expected to be yet there he is defying the odds. Reyes and Wright were others in our system that we valued highly but fortunately decided to keep. Kazmir is another one...thought of very highly. Amongst the top pitching prospects in the game and we threw him away. By some accounts here, Guys would have been completely comfortable trading away Reyes (the A+ positional prospect), Kazmir (the A pitching prospect), Heilman (the failed starting pitching prospect) and Bannister (the B- pitching prospect) plus a throw in C prospect pitcher for Santana. Imagine giving away all that talent for just one pitcher Yoy completely dismiss the possibly that both pitchers (Pelfrey and Humber) could become john Maine?

What about Gomez and Fmart. Thought of as amongst 2 of the best outfield prospects in the game but you would trade them both away?

We should know better than anyone else who has the brightest future of the 4. Keep the one best OF prospect and one best P prospect then trade the other bests (Fmart or Gomez, Pelfrey or Humber) plus Mulvey and Heilman and other minor league talent if necessary. Trade the others…

Seriously though the devaluation of our prospects on this site is laughable

As early as last year…we traded Bannister for Burgos. Now Burgos has promise but is injured. But Bannister never lit up any of the Baseball America or prospect rating boards at all. I don’t even think he was a top 10 met prospect at any time. Yet….he goes out and has a year where he was dominant for stretches.

He is not half the pitcher that Pelfrey and Humber are expected to be yet there he is defying the odds.

Reyes and Wright were others in our system that we valued highly but fortunately decided to keep. Kazmir is another one…thought of very highly. Amongst the top pitching prospects in the game and we threw him away.

By some accounts here, Guys would have been completely comfortable trading away Reyes (the A+ positional prospect), Kazmir (the A pitching prospect), Heilman (the failed starting pitching prospect) and Bannister (the B- pitching prospect) plus a throw in C prospect pitcher for Santana.

Imagine giving away all that talent for just one pitcher

]]> By: napes22 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62758 napes22 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:41:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62758 So your opinion is that none of our prospects will pan out so lets dump them? Pelfrey's window is closing, I agree, and Gomez's lack of plate discipline is scary poor, but I wouldn't write them off. As for Humber, this is his chance - 2 years off Tommy John, he should be at full strength. So your opinion is that none of our prospects will pan out so lets dump them? Pelfrey’s window is closing, I agree, and Gomez’s lack of plate discipline is scary poor, but I wouldn’t write them off. As for Humber, this is his chance – 2 years off Tommy John, he should be at full strength.

]]> By: napes22 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62755 napes22 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:37:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62755 Don't forget that Cano, Wang, and Melky on the Yankees were supposed to be marginal prospects and they all excelled at the major league level. Don’t forget that Cano, Wang, and Melky on the Yankees were supposed to be marginal prospects and they all excelled at the major league level.

]]> By: napes22 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62743 napes22 Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:27:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62743 Why does everyone think Santana is a quick fix? He isn't. A top line starting pitcher wouln't have saved us from collapse last year. Even if we made the playoffs last season, that collapse would not be overlooked by management. We get Santana we get more wins - but we don't necessarily get a championship. Even with Santana, we aren't better than Boston or Detroit, and the Dodgers are going to be a dangerous team this year. There is no way that 1 player can have enough impact to push us over the hump, even if it is Santana. Delgado will still swing through curveballs and not catch up to fastballs, Castillo's knees will still fail on him, Ollie will still freak out when he gives up runs, Maine will still tire by season's end, Wagner will still go through a rough patch, Beltran will still get nicked up...get where's I'm going with this? Sure Santana improves our chances, but in no way is a miracle solution. Why does everyone think Santana is a quick fix? He isn’t. A top line starting pitcher wouln’t have saved us from collapse last year. Even if we made the playoffs last season, that collapse would not be overlooked by management.

We get Santana we get more wins – but we don’t necessarily get a championship. Even with Santana, we aren’t better than Boston or Detroit, and the Dodgers are going to be a dangerous team this year. There is no way that 1 player can have enough impact to push us over the hump, even if it is Santana. Delgado will still swing through curveballs and not catch up to fastballs, Castillo’s knees will still fail on him, Ollie will still freak out when he gives up runs, Maine will still tire by season’s end, Wagner will still go through a rough patch, Beltran will still get nicked up…get where’s I’m going with this?

Sure Santana improves our chances, but in no way is a miracle solution.

]]> By: stickguy http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62741 stickguy Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:24:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62741 Well, you don't have to play all the homegrown talent. You can also use it to trade for the missing pieces (like Rameriz for beckett). Deep pockets help too, since the Sox had to take a bad (at the time) contract back in Lowell to get the deal done. Well, you don’t have to play all the homegrown talent. You can also use it to trade for the missing pieces (like Rameriz for beckett). Deep pockets help too, since the Sox had to take a bad (at the time) contract back in Lowell to get the deal done.

]]> By: twofours http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62734 twofours Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:10:57 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62734 07 Red Sox do not belong on your list. Manny, papi, Beckett, Schilling, Dice K, Lowell. They had 2 home grown guys that contributed. But about your point that most teams win with homegrown talent, you might be right, but you have to have a good farm system to be able to do that, and, the mets do not. 07 Red Sox do not belong on your list. Manny, papi, Beckett, Schilling, Dice K, Lowell. They had 2 home grown guys that contributed.

But about your point that most teams win with homegrown talent, you might be right, but you have to have a good farm system to be able to do that, and, the mets do not.

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62733 Hit The Weights Zeile Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:10:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/buzz-kuroda-chooses-la/#comment-62733 what home grown talent did the red sox of 07 or even 04 have? manny? no, ortiz? no, schilling? no, pedro? no, beckett? no, lowell? no, drew? no, dice k? no. you do need home grown talent to win like papelbon or youklis but you also need those big name guys around them that may not be homegrown. theres no 1 single formula to winning look at the 97 marlins that was ridiculous they literally bought a ring then sold off the team. you just need to put the best team you can out on the field, how you get those players that make up the team is up to you. what home grown talent did the red sox of 07 or even 04 have? manny? no, ortiz? no, schilling? no, pedro? no, beckett? no, lowell? no, drew? no, dice k? no. you do need home grown talent to win like papelbon or youklis but you also need those big name guys around them that may not be homegrown. theres no 1 single formula to winning look at the 97 marlins that was ridiculous they literally bought a ring then sold off the team. you just need to put the best team you can out on the field, how you get those players that make up the team is up to you.

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