Comments on: Note: Schilling Expects Johan in Boston http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Atomoxetine. http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-258341 Atomoxetine. Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:13:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-258341 <strong>Atomoxetine....</strong> Atomoxetine.... Atomoxetine….

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]]> By: rd http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-64050 rd Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:12:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-64050 Gomez or Martinez and three pitchers or no Gomez or Martinez and four pitchers..... Lets keep it reasonable Twins...... Gomez or Martinez and three pitchers or no Gomez or Martinez and four pitchers….. Lets keep it reasonable Twins……

]]> By: belboy01 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-64047 belboy01 Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:06:38 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-64047 You're right...when you put it that way (above)...it does not make sense to be that down on the guy...it's hard to forget the bad days sometimes. I also looked at the numbers last night too and my original comment was quite ignorant...it won't happen again, normally I think a lot clearer than that...this whole Santana thing has my in a tail spin. ...that said, I still think if Omar is going to do something it needs to be big or it shouldn't be done at all...i.e. if he is going to start next season with these guys and throw some of the "prospects" into the mix to see what they can do at the big league level, then so be it...but have the conviction one-way or the other. You’re right…when you put it that way (above)…it does not make sense to be that down on the guy…it’s hard to forget the bad days sometimes. I also looked at the numbers last night too and my original comment was quite ignorant…it won’t happen again, normally I think a lot clearer than that…this whole Santana thing has my in a tail spin.

…that said, I still think if Omar is going to do something it needs to be big or it shouldn’t be done at all…i.e. if he is going to start next season with these guys and throw some of the “prospects” into the mix to see what they can do at the big league level, then so be it…but have the conviction one-way or the other.

]]> By: boredatwork http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-64013 boredatwork Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:48:44 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-64013 Still at kid Still at kid

]]> By: Two-By-Four http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63989 Two-By-Four Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:00:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63989 I can see your pov. It has been a long time since the Mets won anything. But even with Santana this team is not as good as the ’86 team while the AL teams I mentioned are better than the ’86 Red Sox. So it could end up being 2000 all over again. While I agree that Santana has more talent than Viola had, in 1988 Viola with the Twins pitched 255.3 innings and was 24 and 7 with a 2.64 era and his WHIP was 1.136 and won the Cy Young. With the Mets in 1990, a year the Mets won 91 games and finished 2nd in the East Viola pitched 249.7 innings, was 20 and 12 with a 2.67 era and his WHIP was 1.150 and finished 3rd in the Cy Young voting. Those are not shabby numbers. BTW in the 2nd half last year Santana was 5 and 7 with a 4.04 era. You also have to question why the Yankees and Red Sox are backing off. Remember these 2 teams are aggressively competitive with each other and you would think landing Santana would be a major acquisition for one or the other. I want the Mets to be a perennial playoff team and the only way you do that in today’s climate is by building from within, acquiring a sufficient number of top prospects so you can make a deal for a Santana without leaving the system barren and judiciously acquiring free agents. I can see your pov. It has been a long time since the Mets won anything. But even with Santana this team is not as good as the ’86 team while the AL teams I mentioned are better than the ’86 Red Sox. So it could end up being 2000 all over again.

While I agree that Santana has more talent than Viola had, in 1988 Viola with the Twins pitched 255.3 innings and was 24 and 7 with a 2.64 era and his WHIP was 1.136 and won the Cy Young. With the Mets in 1990, a year the Mets won 91 games and finished 2nd in the East Viola pitched 249.7 innings, was 20 and 12 with a 2.67 era and his WHIP was 1.150 and finished 3rd in the Cy Young voting. Those are not shabby numbers. BTW in the 2nd half last year Santana was 5 and 7 with a 4.04 era. You also have to question why the Yankees and Red Sox are backing off. Remember these 2 teams are aggressively competitive with each other and you would think landing Santana would be a major acquisition for one or the other.

I want the Mets to be a perennial playoff team and the only way you do that in today’s climate is by building from within, acquiring a sufficient number of top prospects so you can make a deal for a Santana without leaving the system barren and judiciously acquiring free agents.

]]> By: BSMITTYFDNY http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63963 BSMITTYFDNY Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:48:44 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63963 Well maybe they beat those teams you mentioned or maybe they dont but I for one would at least like to get the opportunity to try. We havent won a ring since 1986. Thats a long time. I would rather win a world series this year or next and take a step back after for a few years then win consistently for many years yet never win it all. Its about winning the championship and its been too long for us. Also I am sorry but I completly disagree with Viola-Santana comparisons. Viola was no way near Santana is talent wise. Not even close. Well maybe they beat those teams you mentioned or maybe they dont but I for one would at least like to get the opportunity to try. We havent won a ring since 1986. Thats a long time. I would rather win a world series this year or next and take a step back after for a few years then win consistently for many years yet never win it all. Its about winning the championship and its been too long for us. Also I am sorry but I completly disagree with Viola-Santana comparisons. Viola was no way near Santana is talent wise. Not even close.

]]> By: MudvilleNine http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63951 MudvilleNine Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:26:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63951 We're not projecting him as an ace, just about every scout and talent evaluator is doing that. People who do it for a living. As for Santana only wanting to be a Met, what makes you say that? You think if he gets traded to the World Champion Red Sox and they give him the money he's looking for he's going to be disappointed? If it comes down to going where the money is or playing for a winner, wouldn't he be getting both there? We’re not projecting him as an ace, just about every scout and talent evaluator is doing that. People who do it for a living. As for Santana only wanting to be a Met, what makes you say that? You think if he gets traded to the World Champion Red Sox and they give him the money he’s looking for he’s going to be disappointed? If it comes down to going where the money is or playing for a winner, wouldn’t he be getting both there?

]]> By: MudvilleNine http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63941 MudvilleNine Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:06:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63941 What makes you think if the Red Sox upped the ante by including Ellsbury and Lester, that the Twins would even bother going back to the Mets? That would be getting exactly what they wanted in the first place. The deal would be done. What makes you think if the Red Sox upped the ante by including Ellsbury and Lester, that the Twins would even bother going back to the Mets? That would be getting exactly what they wanted in the first place. The deal would be done.

]]> By: MudvilleNine http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63934 MudvilleNine Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:57:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/12/note-schilling-expects-johan-in-boston/#comment-63934 You cant replace guys with the potential of F-Mart and Guerra. Do you guys think these kinds of prospects grow on trees? That they draft dozens of these type players every year? Yeah, they can replenish the farm system, but with the same kind of prospects thats getting them nothing in trade value that they have now. No way that I can see they should be traded to become the favorites "on paper". As several people say, trade Heilman, he's going to be gone after this year anyway. Could use him to get something now then nothing later. You cant replace guys with the potential of F-Mart and Guerra. Do you guys think these kinds of prospects grow on trees? That they draft dozens of these type players every year? Yeah, they can replenish the farm system, but with the same kind of prospects thats getting them nothing in trade value that they have now. No way that I can see they should be traded to become the favorites “on paper”. As several people say, trade Heilman, he’s going to be gone after this year anyway. Could use him to get something now then nothing later.

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