Buzz: Clemens and Pettitte on Mitchell List

December 13, 2007 at 11:12 am · 165 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

According to ESPN The Magazine’s Shaun Assael, Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte will be mentioned in the Mitchell Report, which will be released to the public later this afternoon.

According to Bob Klapisch in the Bergen Record, citing ‘an industry official,’ no Mets from their current 40-man roster are named in the report

…however, i’m picking up some buzz suggesting that this may not be true, as i have heard two names that could be mentioned, one of which we know about already…i prefer to not discuss the potential players, though, until the list is actually made public…additionally, there will certainly be players who once played for the Mets, who will be on the list

{ 165 comments }

STUBZ December 13, 2007 at 11:14 am

hallelujah

jag December 13, 2007 at 1:32 pm

Clemens deserves as much crap as bonds. he is a complete scumbag who had a roid rage on the mound during the world series and threw a bat at an opposing player. he won 7 cy youngs and 300 whatever games, the equivalent of what bonds did for pitchers, all because of roids. look at his last three years in boston, he sucked. He has made well over $100 million because he was juicing.

I have a good friend who played in majors and minors and said that members of the Yankee dynasty all knew clemens and pettite.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:15 am

Whom do we already know about? Shoenscrub?

Sethuel December 13, 2007 at 11:16 am

Yeah. The other name being tossed around is Castro.

Xavier22 December 13, 2007 at 11:17 am

I heard Castro’s name as well – could just be one of those internets rumors.

ridethesnake December 13, 2007 at 11:22 am

What else could it be if not an internet rumor

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:23 am

Ehh wouldn’t be surprised. He can hit a ton and barely trot the bases.

Mr.Spock December 13, 2007 at 11:27 am

It will be dissapointing to hear Castro’s name……. hopefully it’s just a rumor……

ravi3 December 13, 2007 at 11:31 am

but he has been injury prone since we got him…typically the roid-users recover quickly…maybe he did it in his days with the marlins

davethenjmetsfan December 13, 2007 at 1:53 pm

Hey, maybe Omar can still sign Lo Du….oh, S%^T!

davethenjmetsfan December 13, 2007 at 1:53 pm

Hey, at least we still have Estra…oh, F%$K!

metsrbest December 13, 2007 at 2:04 pm

LoDuca IS on the list too according to Ed Coleman

ExileInLA December 13, 2007 at 2:19 pm

Castro isn’t in the report. LoDuca is – and it’s unbelievable how un-subtle he was…

but I guess this settles the “should they have kept him” question…

Sethuel December 13, 2007 at 11:15 am

Obviously a certain left-handed reliever is involved.

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 11:16 am

we already know that the “no current mets” thing isnt true because of what we learned about schoeneweis last year

the other ive heard is castro

gomets6091 December 13, 2007 at 11:21 am

maybe it was just wishful thinking by whoever reported it that Schoenweiss wasn’t on the team anymore.

ridethesnake December 13, 2007 at 11:16 am

The other one rumored is Ramon Castro, unfortunately.

metsrbest December 13, 2007 at 11:16 am

I just pray to g-d that Piazza is not on that list.

Rawjah Clemens Is In Jawgies Bawx December 13, 2007 at 11:24 am

no sign of him so far

MacD81 December 13, 2007 at 11:16 am

I heard Show & Castro. Dykstra is on it too.

MacD81 December 13, 2007 at 11:17 am

Maurice Vaughn as well.

Xavier22 December 13, 2007 at 11:18 am

and David Segui!!!

Say it ain’t so David, say it ain’t so!

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:24 am

puhahahha +10

tfc3rid December 13, 2007 at 11:17 am

I’m assuming one Met on our 40 man is Schoeneweis…

gipper913 December 13, 2007 at 11:30 am

And Shrek.

deport_liberals December 13, 2007 at 11:17 am

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi,

Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, IJason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

ridethesnake December 13, 2007 at 11:19 am

I think I’ll go with the industry insider over deport_liberals and his source

Sethuel December 13, 2007 at 11:46 am

Yeah, I got this list e-mailed to me. Given that the subject line was “Mitchel (sic) report names” I’m gonna wait until we see something concrete.

ridethesnake December 13, 2007 at 12:24 pm

MLB has officially denied this rumor that was started via email.

tinathemetsgrl December 13, 2007 at 11:21 am

OMGGGGG is this the official list?

beltransmole December 13, 2007 at 11:21 am

Who is your source?

MacD81 December 13, 2007 at 11:23 am

I got this same list e-mailed to me from my Dad who got it from someone over at Bloomberg. Could be BS, could be the real deal. Its the right number of names and looks about right. We’ll find out soon enough.

Rawjah Clemens Is In Jawgies Bawx December 13, 2007 at 11:25 am

yup, i’m on bloomberg at work and that is the same list i have.

beltransmole December 13, 2007 at 11:28 am

Where are the current big name Red Sox? (i.e. Ortiz, Schilling, Ramirez) Of course this is just my speculation…

gipper913 December 13, 2007 at 11:31 am

Dude, be smart, mitchell is a Red Sox director….he’s not gonna name Red Sox.

MacD81 December 13, 2007 at 11:31 am

Veritek is on there. Thats pretty big for them.

beltransmole December 13, 2007 at 11:42 am

Is it safe to say Varitek is the sacrificial lamb? LOL

tfc3rid December 13, 2007 at 11:42 am

Lots of former Red Sox players on that list there… A lot of them…

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:44 am

Varitek is nothing compared with Papi and Manny, and Schilling for that matter. What about Beckett? That kid’s got a hard on for Lofton.

darkstar73 December 13, 2007 at 11:49 am

that is so untrue, in Boston, Varitek is as big as any of them, he’s supposed to be the true heart of that team, i’m sure many people are upset. I also think its ridiculous that just because Manny or Ortiz or Schilling weren’t named it becomes some sort of conspiracy. Grow up. If they were protecting Manny, why throw Varitek under the bus? And Schilling has been more than outspoken about steroids, he’d be the ultimate hypocrite if he did them, why would he open his mouth about it so much?

VCarver December 13, 2007 at 11:51 am

Varitek is their captain. That’s a big thing.

If the Mets had no major players on the list, why is it so far fetched to have just 1 big Boston player on it?

Unless there’s something concrete to point to, I think Mitchell’s integrity in this report is unassailable.

napes22 December 13, 2007 at 11:56 am

Mitchell wouldn’t let his affiliation with the Red Sox get in the way of his report. That would kill the integrity of it. If Manny and Ortiz aren’t on there then they aren’t on there.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 12:05 pm

Just cause they’re not on the list doesn’t mean they’re not juicers.

Look at Manny, every see a rookie card of Manny Ramirez?

http://shop.mlb.com/sm-1992-upper-deck-manny-ramirez-rookie-card–pi-1792289.html

Varitek may be the captain, and the heart & soul, but he’s the least of any team’s worries when you play the sox. It’s like finding out Franco was on roids in those Mets teams. Give me a break. And Franco had a far better career than Varitek.

VCarver December 13, 2007 at 12:34 pm

If Manny or Ortiz aren’t on the list, then it’s irrelevant for now whether or not they juiced. Because if you want to play that game, then you can then point fingers at every single major league player from the last few decades.

The point is some ARE on the list. They were caught. And they have to take the resulting consequences.

I think everyone else not caught up in one of the investigations up to now deserves the benefit of the doubt at this point.

darkstar73 December 13, 2007 at 12:40 pm

my goodness, is that how we’re going to judge if a guy juiced? by looking at this rookie card? Manny was probably 20-21 in that picture, OF COURSE

darkstar73 December 13, 2007 at 12:42 pm

ugh, sorry, anyway, OF COURSE he was going to gain weight, he’s not exactly that well built either, not in great shape, so I do’nt know what showing a picture of him as a kid is going to prove. Dumb argument in my book. The point is, sure they could have juiced, but like Vcarver pointed out, if you’re playing that game, then play it with every single player, end of story.

metsfansberealistic December 13, 2007 at 11:23 am

only Shoe in face among current Mets

Johnny Damon – hah!

Neifi Perez?

PS deport Bill O’Reilly

toomanyuniforms December 13, 2007 at 11:30 am

I’d deport three of you to save Bill O’Reilly, and I think he’s an obnoxious blowhard.

Real surprise to me is Bichette, which, if true, makes him quite possibly the biggest hypocrite of all of these guys.

Winner of the “least effective use” award is a tie b/w Wilson Delgado and Manny Alexander.

Tidewater December 13, 2007 at 12:11 pm

castro, too.

gipper913 December 13, 2007 at 11:23 am

PUJOLS!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha! Eat that Buck and McCarver!!

toomanyuniforms December 13, 2007 at 11:34 am

It would be so great. The coming out of nowhere thing was evidence enough, but then there was (a) association with Tony LaRussa, and anything he touches turns to steroids, and (b) his cryptic statements that “everything he puts in his body comes from God.” Well, lots of testosterone precursors, HGH, etc. are “natural” . . . there are just so many ways to interpret that oddity.

dave27 December 13, 2007 at 1:05 pm

Rember that SI preview celebrating Pujols bc “we know he is clean” – whoops

gomets6091 December 13, 2007 at 11:29 am

if that’s the actual list (which I’m not completely sold on), a few thoughts:

1) Ankiel, Prior, and Wood: note to self, if I’m ever a pitching phenom, lay off the ‘roids. Wait until I’m a washed up fat ass about to get deported from Boston to Toronto.
2) We all know Caminiti died in part because of his steroid use. I wonder if the steroids contributed to Darryl Kile’s midseason death a few years ago. We sometimes get so hung up in the stats/cheating aspect that we forget that these things are actually pretty dangerous.
3) Bet the Astros wish they had waited a day to make that Tejada trade
4) More proof that steroids are a bad idea: John Rocker & Carl Everett
5) I’m upset to see Nomar on the list. Always like him. I’m very upset to see Pujols on the list, because he could have gone down as one of the greatest hitters ever, now he’ll just be Bonds-lite. EXTREMELY upset to see Bagwell on the list. He was always one of my favorite non-Mets, and I had really hoped he’d end up in Cooperstown.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:35 am

You knew something was wrong with Pujols. The kid was built like a grizzly bear at 21yo?

MacD81 December 13, 2007 at 11:50 am

I guess I was being niave, but I always figured Pujols was just older than he said he was. I guess I shouldn’t be suprised anymore.

Xavier22 December 13, 2007 at 11:54 am

Same can be said about Ryan Howard and he doesn’t seem to be on the list (if it is in fact the official list).

napes22 December 13, 2007 at 11:58 am

Howard’s younger brother is the same size/build as him exactly. He is just a big kid, he’s been that size since he got to the minor leagues.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 12:06 pm

If I remember correctly, Ryan Howard is the smallest one in his family.

Also, I think Howard’s on the juice along with Chase Utley.

Tidewater December 13, 2007 at 12:14 pm

That is true, Howard is the smallest of the Howard kids. Wonder which family won the tug-of-wars at the company picnics!!!

marvelousmarv December 13, 2007 at 11:41 am

Did you really think Bagwell was clean? He never broke like a dozen HRs in the minors; was traded for a middle reliever; & suddenly became a goliath!

gomets6091 December 13, 2007 at 12:14 pm

so we can just say “Howard’s a big kid” but it’s not possible that Pujols was just a big kid too?

And as for Bagwell: LOTS of players weren’t that great in the minors, were part of some crappy trade, and then became very good players. Bagwell was a well-regarded prospect who was blocked by Mo Vaughn at first and Wade Boggs at third, so he was traded. He hit 2 HRs in 229 at bats in his first minor league season, and 4 HRs in 481 ABs his second season, but he hit 48 doubles over that period of time, which is a good sign for a player to develop future power. In ‘91 he hit 15 HRs in his rookie season, then hit 18 in ‘92, 20 in ‘93, and then broke out with 39 in ‘94. He had hit 34 and 37 doubles in ‘92 and ‘93. You can blame the power on steroids, I like to think it was because he grew into his body and developed it the way it happened for 75 years worth of baseball players. Stan Musial didn’t hit 20 HRs until his 7th season in the league, and he finished his career with 475. Does that make him a steroid user?

Mr.Spock December 13, 2007 at 11:30 am

No A-Rod???? ….not surprised about Pujols…..sooooo obvious

beltransmole December 13, 2007 at 11:52 am

There goes the idea of not a single Mets player on the active roster being implicated…Ramon Castro. Bummer.

backinbusiness December 13, 2007 at 12:15 pm

I don’t think its the right Ramon Castro…the other one is a proven suspended steroid user from 05…

pezao December 13, 2007 at 11:53 am

Troy Glaus is listed twice, an I-Rod is listed as Pudge. I don’t think this is the right list….

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:59 am

Funny it would say pudge rodriguez, yet maurice, instead of mo vaughn.

Slob December 13, 2007 at 12:32 pm

The list appears to be in alphabetical order, yet somehow the Boone brothers aren’t right next to eachother. Odd.

beltransmole December 13, 2007 at 12:18 pm

If this list is accurate…then Palmeiro, Sosa and McGwire lied under oathe at the Congress hearings. Okay accept McGwire. He used plead the fifth amendment. In any event, what happens to Palmeiro and Sosa? Jail time?

beltransmole December 13, 2007 at 12:19 pm

Sorry…Forgive me I meant “Except” not “Accept”.

TilMetsDoUsPart December 13, 2007 at 12:38 pm

I know that isn’t official, but most of the names I’d agree with except for:

Sammy Sosa
Albert Pujols
Maurice Vaughn
Brian Roberts
Darryl Kile
Ramon Castro
Neifi Perez
Damian Moss

MacD81 December 13, 2007 at 12:59 pm

You don’t agree with Sosa??? His name has come up over and over again. Out of curiosity, why not him?

Giaco December 13, 2007 at 11:17 am

and your not telling us for what reason….?

gipper913 December 13, 2007 at 11:18 am

Hahahahahahahahaha. ROFL at Clemens. Now we know where his irrational, bat-throwing rage came from.

metsfansberealistic December 13, 2007 at 11:18 am

Team ‘Roids in the Bronx

what do you think about that Hank?

how does Suzyn Waldman feel now about her returning fat hero?

LOL

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:32 am

she’s crying, what else is new?

Rawjah Clemens Is In Jawgies Bawx December 13, 2007 at 11:36 am

i’ll give points guy +25 for that one.

zen December 13, 2007 at 11:18 am

gotta respect the class of the yankee organization. model sports organization. home of champions :)

after we deal with all the yankee steroid cheater who won them ws titles, can derek jeter pay his ny back taxes? that’s stealing money away from kids/schools.

metsfansberealistic December 13, 2007 at 11:44 am

not to mention Bucky Dent and his bat full of marbles….

ghobot December 13, 2007 at 12:42 pm

this isnt a day where we gloat about any team. this is a day where we say to baseball, clean your crap up. radomski was a met employee for god sakes.

zen December 13, 2007 at 1:00 pm

thanks for the lessons on ethics. i’ll stick to the aristotle’s nicomachaean ethics.

the yankees deserve a kick in the butt. they received lots of credit for their classy, professional championship teams.

my humor is not gloating. i’m not, in any way, connected to mlb. i’m not one of those fans who say “we won.” i watch for fun. there are athlete who have murdered human or assaulted them. brett myers is worse than any steroid user.

nyleetch2 December 13, 2007 at 11:25 am

doesn’t help deport’s believability that Troy Glaus was in there twice…

what are the chances that Todd Hundley isn’t on this list?

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 11:26 am

todd hundley may well be on that list

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:26 am

Babe Hundley and his 41 hrs

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:26 am

This entire report is a bit of a joke. The guy didn’t have subpoena power. Also the list is what 70 deep? What is that like maybe 10% of all juicers. Including retired players, it might be more like 5% of all juicers.

cbusmetsfan December 13, 2007 at 11:32 am

Jayson Stark says this report covers x amount of years where 4200+ player played in the MLB. So, quick math shows 80/4200 = 1.9% of players who played during that time frame. That’s not really a lot of players. If there are 80 on the list, imagine how many are not on the list. And, didn’t MLB openly test 3 years ago but kep the names anonymous and concluded that 5% of those tested were on roids? So this report is not conclusive and means very little.

marvelousmarv December 13, 2007 at 11:49 am

Not true at all! You cannot dismiss the report. Without any subpoena power or access to drug tests Mitchell was obviously limited. But yet he came up with some very prominent names using circumstantial evidence.

He followed the trail of written checks, preceding or followed by shipments to those very players from probably one of these club house attendants.

What this is is a sorry day for the MLPPA. They could have finally righted the ship a little. But obviously their job is to protect the players. But I better not hear one player say that he wasn’t able to defend himself. The MLBPA didn’t allow any player to speak to Mitchell.

If a name is incorrectly on this list, too bad. You could have righted it. Also, We could have finally put all this behind us. If people were more forthcoming we could have done so. But now its going to linger on and on. I hope none of these players ever get elected to the HOF!

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:57 am

I got the impression that when cbusmetsfan said the report means very little, he doesn’t question the veracity of the report, but the downright putrid number of people on the list is a joke.

VCarver December 13, 2007 at 11:56 am

This report means a lot. Just because the dragnet didn’t get everything, doesn’t negate what it did catch.

That’s like saying if the cops only caught 2 of the 4 kids who robbed a store the arrest would be invalid. Nonsense.

firemetmanagement December 13, 2007 at 11:27 am

Looks like they got that piece of *** Clemens…let’s pray this report is true:
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=MLB&hl=227598
If he is not on the list, then the Mitchell report has absolutely zero validity- there is no more obvious steroid/HGH user than him (excluding Bonds, McGwire). Clemens was DONE in 1996 and then “magically” proceeded to be at his best ever and won 4 cy youngs in his late 30’s/40’s. Biologically impossible.
May he be tarnished forever.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:33 am

hahaha

magically . . .

another OJ (objious juicer) Sosa

Steal Home Jose! December 13, 2007 at 11:28 am

No Bobby Estalella?

SheaHeyKid24 December 13, 2007 at 11:32 am

nothing for nothing but the bloomberg list seems like a good list of believable names… i wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 80% or more accurate.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:38 am

+1

Lightweis December 13, 2007 at 11:36 am

The Lord must have told Andy Pettitte to use steroids…

advantgarde December 13, 2007 at 11:37 am

Yeah, news conferemce from the Commissioners office is to announce that the Yankees will forfiet the first 15 games of the season, since 65% of the team will be suspended…

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:47 am

There will be a retraction when the Skankees hand over $200 million to the commissioner’s office.

advantgarde December 13, 2007 at 11:51 am

and Hank sets adeadline for the commissioners office to accept it

pvhornet05 December 13, 2007 at 11:55 am

Haha

points guy December 13, 2007 at 12:15 pm

well played avant, well played

REYES ND WRIGHT 07 December 13, 2007 at 11:40 am

im guessing that hole yankee team was a bunch of cheaters those 4 years

REYES ND WRIGHT 07 December 13, 2007 at 11:41 am

they also obviously would not have won all four if those 2 cheaters werent juiced i hope jeter and arod are on that list to but i doubt jeter

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:47 am

That pansy can’t be on the list

Achilles400 December 13, 2007 at 11:47 am

So, will Pettite come out and say Jesus told him it was ok to cheat?

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:49 am

No, they’re all going to avoid this entire debacle. I’ll give props to anyone who admits it and explains his own personal failures for doing it.

Most of those cowards will just say they didn’t know what it was.

Achilles400 December 13, 2007 at 11:55 am

Liek Gibbons? At least he came clean.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 12:10 pm

Didn’t see it, but kudos if he did. Like anyone cares? I love seeing the likes of Manny Alexander on that list. hahahaha

Of course, it doesn’t tell you anything about how often they did it. Some probably did it for a long time and others may have just dabbled.

Mr.Spock December 13, 2007 at 12:07 pm

LOL

neiljphx December 13, 2007 at 11:48 am

as if there was any doubt about Clemens! ha !! just like Bonds, just look at pictures of the guy over the years and you can see a very unnatural progression.
Now maybe they can stop the Bonds roast and all the Bonds haters can maybe get over themselves for a minute?
What a joke.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:49 am

There’s a huge difference between Bonds/Clemens, and I’m not talking hitter/pitcher

DaveKingman442 December 13, 2007 at 11:50 am
Jay December 13, 2007 at 11:52 am

While the ownership obviously has to foot some of the blame, I place the lion’s share on the Player’s Union. They’ve fought tooth and nail any attempts to strengthen drug testing amoungst their members, and actually complain that it should be done in context of the CBA, as if cleaning up your own members is a bargaining chip. It’s like a 5 year old negotiating with his mom for more allowance, and stating “I will stop banging my head against the wall if you give me more money.”

Unfortunately, because this list will not have direct evidence of drug use by the players named, there will probably be little punishment given. However, one good that can come of this is by giving Selig more leverage in the court of public opinion to negotiate stricter testing outside the confines of the CBA.

radiopam December 13, 2007 at 11:53 am

and a partridge in a pear tree

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:54 am

love it

+10

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:54 am

That’s total BS, no offense. B/C the owners all made tons of money off of it as well, and they bat their eyes like they had no part in it. They knew, and they have a responsibility to all owners, players and fans alike to keep the game clean.

Jay December 13, 2007 at 12:00 pm

No offense taken. Of course the owner’s are complicit as well, and I’m sure they made tons of money (they still are). If you want to say “they all knew and turned their back on it,” sure I can buy that. So did everyone in the media, the fans as well.

But, you can’t argue that over the past few years most of ownership have expressed a desire to clean up the sport, and that has been blocked by the player’s union.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 12:13 pm

NO DOUBT.

player’s union has slowly eroded the integrity of the sport.

and yes, fans to the least degree were complicit. heck, it’s not our fault we want to witness record breaking greatness, is it?

marvelousmarv December 13, 2007 at 11:54 am

Assuming the list above is accurate…im surprised to see no Darren Daulton.

points guy December 13, 2007 at 11:54 am

Again, the list is not exhaustive.

domosnacks5 December 13, 2007 at 11:55 am

As much as I would love to see the Yanks burn in flames, I really think this report was a conflict of interest to start. He’s going to have a bias towards naming any and everyone on his competitors’ team, and he would be more inclined to sweep something under the rug if its somebody on the Sox. You can’t tell me that Lowell isn’t on something, I’m sorry. You can’t tell me Schilling isn’t hiding a little something, or even Matt Clement, hell even Youlkilis I’m sure is juicing.

You can’t possibly have a guy who sits on a board for one of the teams conduct this. This guys’ credibility in my mind is absolutely nothing. Nobody of merit would talk to him and I’ve heard that he ended up pressuring trainers and such to just give up names who they “speculated” did roids. I’m glad to see some names, but I don’t really think this thing is going to prove its’ intended purpose of putting a close to the steroid era. Instead, it’s just going to lead to more sensationalism and speculation for the next years. Selig really dropped the ball getting this guy to do it, end of story.

Also, I was really expecting Hundley on this list.

zen December 13, 2007 at 11:58 am

tavarez and varitek are current red sox on the list. not to mention that trot nixon and nomar were very popular red sox.

marvelousmarv December 13, 2007 at 11:59 am

Blame the MLBPA for not cooperating. Could have put this to an end!

mrose December 13, 2007 at 1:45 pm

why would you be sure Youkilis is juicing? he hits 13 and 16 hr’s batting righty at Fenway and gets 70-80 RBI???? come on dude..
Schilling…yea somethign there is funny …lowell?? yea he had a career year…wasn’t overly POWERFUL, but he did also have a great time around him..

Stop thinking conspiracy about the red sox guy doing it..and yea this isn’t everyone

backinbusiness December 13, 2007 at 12:09 pm

Are there two Ramon Castro’s in baseball?

July 1, 2005

Minor Leaguer Ramon Castro (Washington Nationals) — 105 games and fined an undisclosed amount for two separate violations of the program.
(espn.com)

That’s a different Ramon Castro than ours.

hyperion4 December 13, 2007 at 12:17 pm

What a great catch. I hope you’re right. However, I think the report is limited to major leaguers, no?

backinbusiness December 13, 2007 at 12:19 pm

He played for Oakland in 2004. Crossing my fingers.

FBones24 December 13, 2007 at 12:16 pm

Please…Clemens is the Barry Bonds of pitching. I hope his reputation is tarnished forever and he never gets into the hall of fame. All his hypocrisy about his intense workouts and how he stays in such amazing shape. What a bunch of crap. He was basically done when he was with the blue jays and he magically reinvented himself. His numbers were good, not great at that point.
…and that’s what you get Andy for hanging out with Roger. Now we know you would have been a 4th or 5th starter if you hadn’t juiced. Gotta love the yankees!!!

Imagine how good Pedro would have been and would still be if he juiced.

Wally Whitehurst December 13, 2007 at 12:24 pm

I guess the whole Clemens thing puts a new spin on him throwing the bat at Piazza… A little ‘Roid Rage, Roger???

rd December 13, 2007 at 1:11 pm

Good point….. Text book roid rage……

LIMetfan December 13, 2007 at 12:27 pm

HERE’S THE LIST NO JOKE…

Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez,Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Pior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts,Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.

backinbusiness December 13, 2007 at 12:33 pm

Same list is above, no?

“A high-ranking MLB official said there are several errors in the list provided to WNBC.com (same as your list).”

So we’ll have to wait and see…

jectalo December 13, 2007 at 12:32 pm
born2run01 December 13, 2007 at 12:58 pm

Heyman reports Knoblauch and Stanton, on CNNSI.com. I remember one spring when Creatine was ‘new’, there were some articles about it and Dante Bichette had his photo taken and had gained, by his own words, 20 pounds in his forearms. So he was in on the front end of that substance, while legal, and i’m not as surprised to see his name.

TilMetsDoUsPart December 13, 2007 at 12:59 pm

Take that Bankees/Skankees/Rankees/Stankees/Crankees/Hankees!

throatneedle December 13, 2007 at 1:00 pm

where is edgardo alfonzo? i thought fonzie was a shoe in

rd December 13, 2007 at 1:04 pm

Not Fonzie, Ordonez…..

TilMetsDoUsPart December 13, 2007 at 1:29 pm

PLEASE NOT FONZIE.\

I won’t be able to live with myself.

born2run01 December 13, 2007 at 1:12 pm

Heyman also reporting David Justice. While not a Yankee for that long, they are really going to get rocket it seems.

SurferD December 13, 2007 at 1:15 pm

that list posted abover is not 100% accurate

mike and the mad dog said for sure that knobluach is on the list….and he hasnt been listed in any list ive seen

jectalo December 13, 2007 at 1:27 pm

i think melvin mora is a pretty obvious user who i don’t see on this list, but i’m adding him to my steroid game! i’m sure theres lots of guys who hid the paper trail so as to not get caught.

TilMetsDoUsPart December 13, 2007 at 1:29 pm

I don’t see Mora as a user, he doesn’t seem like the type.

SheaHeyKid24 December 13, 2007 at 1:51 pm

if the lists provided are accurate i’d have to say pujols is the most disappointing to me. him or nomar, who i always thought had the right approach to the game.

metsforever December 13, 2007 at 2:09 pm

No Pujols

zen December 13, 2007 at 1:53 pm

lo duca on list

domosnacks5 December 13, 2007 at 1:54 pm

yup.

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 2:02 pm

Jack cust

Brian Roberts

Hundley

Mark carreron

Matt franco

Rondell white

Clemens

Grudzalinek

Pettitte

Knobluach

Grimsley

Zaun

Justice

Glen allen hill

Denny nagel

Villone

Todd pratt

Mike lansing

Kent mercker

Miguel tejada

Mike Stanton

Lo Duca

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 2:04 pm
metsforever December 13, 2007 at 2:05 pm

That may be why LoDuca is gone.

1DoggLJ December 13, 2007 at 2:09 pm

I guess we couldve figured out LoDuca by simply looking at his eyes during one of his many arguments with umpires. Those things were popping out of his face — maybe focusing beyond the umpire for some roids to help him obliterate the ump.

metsrbest December 13, 2007 at 2:12 pm

Then why is Castro on this team?

huge_mets_fan11 December 13, 2007 at 2:13 pm

I don’t think Castro is on the actual list

metsforever December 13, 2007 at 2:16 pm

Castro’s not on the list.

Bats in the Belfry December 13, 2007 at 8:26 pm

Do we really need to waste our time and comment as to why LoDuca is not on the team anymore…if you know s about the game its fing obvious why he’s not back

zen December 13, 2007 at 2:06 pm

well the 1989 trading of dykstra makes more sense now. mets management was concerned about his build and weight flux during that spring. he admitted to using steroids to radomski that spring

backinbusiness December 13, 2007 at 2:08 pm

pujols NOT in it…

metsrbest December 13, 2007 at 2:13 pm

Also…no Johan Santana!

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 2:14 pm

also named
fernando vina

fp santangelo

jim parque

mike lansing

chris donnels

larry bigbie

backinbusiness December 13, 2007 at 2:18 pm

Mets on actual list in the order they appear:
Lenny Dystra
David Segui
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Matt Franco
Mo Vaughn
Chris Donnels
Todd Pratt
Mike Stanton
Paul Lo Duca
Fernando Vina
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis

Think I got them all.

ExileInLA December 13, 2007 at 2:22 pm

Schoenweis did NOT violate MLB policy. He shouldn’t be lumped in with these guys.

That said, DAMN the Mets had a bunch of slimy players in the day. So much for fond memories of Todd Pratt’s homerun…

Also, it’s amazing how many of the people in the report were non-tendered yesterday. Makes you wonder what MLB did with their 3 days’ advance notice…

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 2:19 pm

i guess that list just proves that roids dont make you good

Steal Home Jose! December 13, 2007 at 2:23 pm

Lo Duca got it bad. He’s all over this thing.

kowalski69 December 13, 2007 at 2:24 pm

LoDuca is on page 256.

Mitchell Report PDF:
http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf

This report is a car accident that you cant take your eyes off of. It’s good bathroom reading.

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 2:25 pm

the list in the order they appear

Bonds

Giambi(s)

Sheffield

Benito santiago

Verlarde

Dykstra

Segui

Bigbie

Roberts

Cust

Josias manzanillo

Hundley

Carreron

Hal morris

Matt franco

Rondell white

Clemens

Pettitte

Knobluach

Grimsley

Zaun

Justice

f.p. santangelo

glenallen hill

mo Vaughn

denny nagel

ron villone

ryan franklin

chris donnels

phil hiatt

todd pratt

Kevin young

Mike lansing

Cody mckay

Kent mercker

Adam piatt

Tejada

Jason christansen

Mike Stanton

Stephen Randolph

Jerry hairston jr

Paul lo duca

Adam riggs

Bart miadich

Fernando vina

Kevin brown

Gagne

Mike bell

Matt herges

Gary Bennett jr

Jim parque

Brendan Donnelly

Chad allen

Jeff Williams

Howie clark

Nook logan

Rick ankiel

David bell

Paul byrd

Jose Canseco

Jay gibbons

Troy glaus

Jose guillen

Darren holmes

Gary matthews jr

John rocker

Scott schoenwies

Ismael valdez

Matt Williams

Steve Woodard

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 2:26 pm

no mention of juan gone, mc gwire, sosa, palmiero

bigNJ December 13, 2007 at 2:38 pm

bobby estella and marvin bernard were also there

Bats in the Belfry December 13, 2007 at 8:34 pm

SHAME Roger ” i thought it was the ball” Clemens SHAME….VENDETTA……VENDETTA in ‘08, OMAR let us JOHANDLE the YANKEES to a season sweep and god willing a four game sweep in the World Series…..not that I’m bitter…

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