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According to FoxSports.com, the Blue Jays and free-agent SS David Eckstein are close to agreeing on a one-year, $4.5 million contract.
…first off, back when eckstein was linked to the Mets, the talk was that he had been seeking a similar, but more expensive, deal than the four-year, $24 million given to Luis Castillo…turns out, he gets a one-year, $4.5 million deal…yes, that’s a big difference…fact is, though, the market for his services shrunk, so much so that i am not surprised he had to take a one-year deal…the Mets could not have had eckstein back in november for the same one-year deal, when there were other options and destinations available…the Mets didn’t want to take a chance on waiting, though, so they locked up castillo as quick as they could…i still have no problem with castillo the player, it’s the four-year deal i don’t understand…
…from what i could gather, eckstein essentially turned down the Mets, a) because they were not willing to give him more than castillo, on years and dollars, and b) because he was a bit apprehensive about switching back to second…so, it sounded to me like both sides only had minimal interest at best…
…thanks to jason b for the link…
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Thanks to jason b for the link, and THANK YOU OMAR for staying far away from scrappy doo.
scrappy doo.
+2
Dookie and Hundley on official Mitchell list – according to WFAN
Probably factored in to their decision not to go after duke
also shows he either stopped a few years ago, or the stuff really doesn’t work!
Back when he was a dodger, according to report….and includes Gagne at same time frame
2001: .320 / 25 hr / 90 rbi
I think it worked
Here is the Steroid List: Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.
are we still posting this list? it’s, uh, still wrong.
Seriously, just get the report…..
http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf
Aside: Page 387 – checks from LoDuca to Radomski
Also, page 209-10 of report has internal noted of Dodgers front office people talking about Dookie:
“Steroids aren’t being used anymore on him. big part of this. May have some trade value. Florida may have interest…..Got off steroids….Took away a lot of hard line drives…can get comparable value back, would consider trading… If you do trade him, will get back on the stuff and try to show you he can have a good year. That’s his makeup. Comes to play. Last year of contract, playing for 05″
He’ s just the gritty, sparkplug they need to overtake the Sox and Yanks!
Bad move by the Jays for the simple fact that if there is a big snow storm Eckstein will undoubtedly get lost amongst the snow flakes. Seriously, that man would blend in against a white wall.
Plus he stinks at baseball.
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i boo your points assessment here. that joke was perfectly fine. more like, points ghey.
SHOULDN’T THE BLUE JAYS WAIT FOR THE RELEASE OF THE MITCHELL REPORT before such a risky signing?
Nah, the only thing Eck is full of is piss and vinigar..and grit.
He’s a gritty s.o.b.
Say it with me…gritty…g-r-i-t-t-y. Gritty.
Piss and vinegar? He’d be a great clubhouse-mate for Moises Alou.
Excellent point!
Thanks to the unfavorable conversion rate, though, his scrappy American intensity is now worth less in Canadian dollars.
yeah. that $ .01+ difference in the dollar is going to kill eckstein :)
Interesting point…..do the Canadian based players sign contracts in Canadian dollars or US dollars? Is there a stipulation in the contract that gives them an escalator if the exchange rate hurts the player?
They get paid in US dollars. NHL I’m almost positve is the same setup. I think it’s part of both leagues’ CBAs
You all don’t know. The American Dollar has plummetted so much that it is almost exactly even with the Canadian dollar.
I recently got paid by a canadian magazine for some poems they published and when I went and cashed the check and converted it, I lost a mere 3 cents.
uh – thats not how exchange rates work. if the rate was 1.50 Canadian to 1 American and now its 1 to 1, you lost 50 cents on the dollar that you got paid.
the rate was more like $1.50 Canadian to $1 American…..before that it was like $2.50 Canadian to $1American…..he ended up gaining 50 cents
The real question is how much does Eck get paid per “grit”? I mean, he’s gotta “grit” at least once or twice a day, wouldn’t you think?
Hate to break it to you guys, but the Canadian dollar is actually stronger than the US at the moment: $1.0165
yeah, we know smart guy!
right, so if you to be paid in canadian and but lived in the US, that exchange rate would crush your earnings.
Eckstein is a waste of money, in Canadian dollars or US$.
Are the Jays “close” like according to Sweeny Murti that the Mets were “close” to landing Bedard?
Knock him all you want ! BUT , isn’t he every-bit the player
Castillo is? And will he cost 20 Mil+ Over 4 years? Are his
legs shot? Has he gained 50lbs of fat since arriving in the
majors? omar moved way too fast w/both the castillo and alou deals and i think we’ll all regret it !
Stiill have bad visions of all the all-star mid infielders we’ve
brought in during the last 10/15 yrs who have bottomed out
and cost alot of time and money i.e Baerga,Alomar & Matsui.
Is there a plan here? Anywhere? Omar?
Didn’t Eckstein demand 8-9mm per? I think that was the deal breaker.
Agreed!–but if it turns out to be 2 for 10or12, then
O did a piss poor job w/ castillo given the fact that
there were other/better options i.e. Iguchi out there!
+10
I can’t even fathom the K being so low/short. If so, then we really need to think of firing moron minaya.
yeah, talk about ‘05, thats what You’re thinkin’ about w/Castillo
who I always liked as a player BUT again, his legs ARE SHOT!!
2 bad knees and worse a bad hip, for a player whos entire game
is based on speed??–THAt’S A friigin RED FLAG! NO?
And I saw Plenty of Iguchi last year,while I’m no big fan of Japanese players, this guy is CLEARLY a better player at this
point than Castillo. Who b/t/w again, is no OURS for the next
FOUR years!–Lets hope he learns to stay out of the night-clubs
and that Reyes gets married or something so that he isn’t ruined.
Get Smart Dude!
Ok I guess I will get smart. Castillo’s OBP was higher this year than Eck’s as well as for his career. He played in more games and had 19 SB’s. Now exactly how is Eck not shot but Castillo is?
OBP – 362 VS 356?
19SB/5CS VS 10SB/1CS
GAMES PLAYED 135 VS 117
Eckstein wins in slugging, has half the walks, but also half the strikeouts.
It’s pretty much a wash, except that Castillo’s knees are gone, but he comes at a much cheaper price.
As tonylett has said, he better not be signed for 10-12 over 2 years.
Thank you! and again yeah his kees are gone but
not just that, hes got such a bad hip problem that
after his career hes gonna need a replacement.
Doesnt anybody recall our flirtation w/ this guy befor
he went to thetwins and that,THAT was the biggest
question w/ him?!
And yet he still put up better #2 hitter numbers than any of the other options.
Never said Eckstien is not shot or close to it and if he
gets 3 or more yrs f/the jays its a mistake BUT IT IS a
HUGE mistake to give a guy a 4 yr. deal when his games based on speed and he cant do much of that anymore!
Look at his friggin’ SB line and his waistline!
Besides, as posted for weeks the guy I wanted if not for
too crazy a contract was Iguchi.
Oh boy. Here we go again with the “bad influence” junk. Jose Reyes’ production declined because Luis Castillo took him to a few night clubs. Think about how silly that sounds.
Honestly, I get the impression that Castillo and Reyes aren’t exactly the best of friends. Not saying they don’t like each other. But, it’s no bromance or anything.
I would have went with Iguchi.
Like Roberto Alomar and many many others, we got Castillo about 4 years too late.
Thanks!, And let’s not forget Baerga! what a friggin’ disaster
that was!
No, Castillo is still effective. He hit .296 with the Mets and played more than adequate defense. Alomar was a disaster defensively and only hit .266 and fought with people in the dugout. You cannot compare the two.
O.k. but at the time everyone was sold on Alomar not
just as the best 2Ber of his time but maybe ALL-Time!
Plus he was supposed to be one of the greatest 2 or3
fielding 2Bers of all-time. And no can’t compare the 2 because our GM after getting a good look at him didnt lock him up for THE NEXT FOUR YEARS!
The point is, when Castillo was acquired, he delivered as expected both offensively and defensively. Alomar was a monumental disappointment in all facets of the game. What did Castillo do not to earn a 4 year deal? Because he limps between plays? He’s been limping like that since 2002. And when he lays down a bunt or runs for a ball, he looks fine.
I would have gone with Iguchi as well…..the guy signed a 1 year deal….Omar pannicks and overpays yet again!
I think Iguchi’s def a notch below. But the 4 years is way too many.
It’s a good thing Gotay seems like a serviceable replacement when Castillo’s knees disintegrate.
LODUCA IS ON THE LIST!
Off topic, but LoDuca was on the list….
Lots of guys on the list… Lots of Ex Yankees…
had a feeling about lo duca…25 hrs…come on…also matt frano and hundley
3/5 of the 2000 yankee rotation…some dynasty…more like a drug dyanasty, knoblauch, stanton…all those years he was the best setup man
Can anyone provide a link to the list?
I’m having a hard time getting the PDF file of the Mitchell report…
http://www.mlb.com/mitchellreport
It’s over 300 pages.
TOTAL BS regarding Eckstein. They never offered anything. Moron Minaya’s lying.
who gives a crap. eckstein’s terrible. i want him nowhere near this team.
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NEGATIVE AFFINITY
eckstein blows dude. stop trying to jag him off. or continue to root for him on some blue jays board. im sure they could use some enthusiasm after their team just signed a huge waste of space.
ok ken bone-a-homo
negative infinity?
In 2006, the Los Angeles Times reported that Grimsley had accused six players, including Clemens and Pettitte, in a federal agent’s affidavit as players who had used performance-enhancing drugs. Both Clemens and Pettitte denied the rumors at the time.
hahaha liars too, i hope that’s what they told a grand jury as well. hello barry!
http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf
Page 387 – checks from LoDuca to Radomski
There is still no excuse for the size of Castillo’s contract. Awful. One year at a time I guess.
Kirk,
Sorry! But for some reason they sent the check back to me.
I haven’t been able to call you back because my phone is TOAST! I have
a new # it is [Lo Duca’s phone number is listed here]. Please leave your #
again because I lost all of my phonebook with the other phone.
Thanks
Paul
Los Angeles Dodgers
officials in October 2003 that were referred to above, it was reportedly said of Lo Duca during
the meetings:
Steroids aren’t being used anymore on him. Big part of this.
Might have some value to trade . . . Florida might have interest.
. . . Got off the steroids . . . Took away a lot of hard line drives.
. . . Can get comparable value back would consider trading. . . . If you do trade him, will get back on the stuff and try to show you hecan have a good year. That’s his makeup. Comes to play. Last year of contract, playing for 05.419
the most amazing part of this is how teams talked about steroids, that little blurb from Dodgers officials about Lo Duca, how they knew he was on them, how it affected his trade value, all of that. Incredible really.
At least with Castillo there is a good chance when he breaks, he breaks comepletely.
The years were silly, but it was really a 3 year deal. Still silly though.
worse comes to worse, they eat a bunch of money. Hopefully they get 1-2 decent years out of him.
Actually, I want him to break down entirely right when some 2B is lighting up AAA and ready to get called up! Just don’t ask me who that is…
Also, probably important to keep Gotay, since I look at Castillo as being day to day at this point!
Gotay was playing well when we traded for Castillo
Gotay was hitting decent when we acquired Castillo, however, his defense was offensive.
Perhaps one of the reasons why Castillo was signed was so he could influence Santana?
:-)
they’re essentially the same player. eckstein takes more pitches which makes him a pesky hitter. castillo looks like he can break down any moment.
given that Matsui signed for 3 yrs and Iguchi for 1 yr, Omar clearly overpaid for Castillo…..he was worth probably 3 yrs @ 18 million max…..but i guess its not my money!
He’s already BROKEN-DOWN!
Except for the fact that Eck wanted 4 years and more money at the time. I have even seen it reported that he turned down the 4 year offer we made. Luis fits this team much better anyway. Besides anyone remember that Eck would have had to change positions?
No.
Eckstein #P/PA Career 3.81
2007 3.64
Castillo #P/PA Career 4.01
2007 3.97
Castillo takes more pitches. He’s also a better defender. And while Castillo may LOOK like he can break down at any minute, Eckstein has actually missed more time due to injury in the past two years.
Not entirely accurate.
Pitches per plate appearance from 2004-2007:
Eckstein: 3.8, 4.0, 3.8, 3.7
Castillo: 4.0, 3.9, 4.0, 4.0/3.9
Games Played:
Eckstein: 142, 158, 123, 117
Castillo: 150, 122, 142, 135
Not a change of positions! A return to Second,
which he played his entire life until reaching the majors!–Plus a better fit how if they’re both about the
same player? Heck, i saw Eckstein drive more balls
in theplayoffs last year then Castillo did in half a season w/us this year! Didn’t you have enough 150ft.
pops to LF? And didn’t we see enough limping around by this guy when he did get a hit or steal a base? AND anyone can ask for anything see:Loduca
it’s the smart GM who determins what should be done
and lately, O don’t look so smart!
You still fail to mention how is Eck better than Castillo. Castillo did more “injured” than Eck did healthy.
Haha, great minds.
Beat me to it.
Wow, didn’t realize that about the pitches. It looks like Eckstein takes more pitches, maybe he takes more pitches against the Mets.
As I’ve been saying, I think they’re a wash. You can make a case for either one. If the contract demands were the same, I’d take Eckstein 9 times out of 10.
Because….. You still fail to give a reason that Eck is better. Is it a racial thing or is it that he’s a pack of grits or something?
Eckstein won’t break down like Castillo. Unless, Castillo’s faking it, which he might be, it’s painful watching him run.
Also, Eckstein brings intangibles such as a WS MVP. He’s a, dare I say, gritty player. He does things that annoy the crap out of other teams which eventually frustrates the team. He’s also clutch, hit .442 in late & close games
Castillo goes an entire game unnoticed, except for those beautiful bunts. Eckstein interrupts the other team.
What’s YOUR reason for giving Castillo a 4th year?
consider castillo’s 4th year a sunk cost and cut him after 3 if he stops preforming.
points guy, are you really defending eckstein? you lost all point cred. im sorry, point allocating authority denied.
But it is your money.
In the end IT IS our money!
Plus , its obvious what Iguchi and Matsui had goin’
against them! juu no wat i means?
Everyone tweeked now???
Yes, they were not as talented offensively or defensively as Castillo and were not suited to bat 2nd in the lineup.
I am sure that is what you were refering to and not the incredibly stupid race issue again.
That was a joke knuckle-head! It’s called being
ironic as opposed to moronic.
But to say Iguchi is not as talented as Castillo,youre
just wrong! Plus why would he have to hit 2nd?
Uh because that’s what we need. Please don’t get into the debate that Beltran or Wright should hit 2nd.
Lastings Milledge should hit second. Oh wait.
Oh wait he can’t really hit yet. Especially not behind in the count. Oh and we did trade him too.