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According to Jerry Crasnick at ESPN.com, as of right now, the 
Phillies have the fourth-best lineup in baseball, behind only the Tigers, Yankees and Red Sox.
Crasnick believes the Rockies are second to the Phillies.
As of now, the Phillies will go to battle with the following:
1. Jimmy Rollins
2. Shave Victorino
3. Chase Utley
4. Ryan Howard
5. Pat Burrell
6. Jayson Werth
7. Wes Helms or Greg Dobbs
8. Carlos Ruiz
9. Pitcher
Meanwhile, the Mets current lineup should look as follows:
1. Jose Reyes
2. Luis Castillo
3. David Wright
4. Carlos Beltran
5. Carlos Delgado
6. Moises Alou
7. Ryan Church
8. Brian Schneider
9. Pitcher
…i don’t particularly care for these sort of arguments, frankly, a) because it’s December, and b) because we’ll know definitively who has the better lineup when these guys actually start swinging at pitches in a few months…
…that said, i’m more than happy with the Mets offense, which is fairly balanced and traditional…i believe delgado is going to have a better year than last – not much better, but better – and i like the idea of an older, wiser beltran settling in to the clean-up spot, with three hard runners with good instincts at the top of the order…additionally, i’d take alou and church over werth and helms any day…
I don’t remember who said it, but a Mets teammate stated that his surgically repaired areas were bothering him all season. That could explain his inability to catch up to fastballs, when he has been a fastball hitter his entire career. Hopefully, he’ll be more comfortable this year.
i think it was lo duca that just said it the other day…
He’ll be comfortable counting his 13 million a year, while the fans are not so comfortable with him inevitably leaving men in scoring position….
+5
I am sorry but this jackass put Colorado at #5. Give me a break
That’s what came to mind immediately for me too. Except in my mind I called him an ass-hat.
That just proves this ranking is a complete joke and should be disregarded.
Behind the Tigers, Red Sox and Yankees? Wouldn’t that make the Philthies the [b]fourth[/b] best line-up?
I’m just sayin’.
Hence the use of the term “NL” in the title.
nevermind. my bad.
You were right the first time. He said third-best, then changed it to fourth-best.
Alou has to hit above Delsucko in the lineup. heck, some pitchers should bat ahead of Delsucko.
I believe Delsucko will have a bounce back year and be back to his normal career averages.
He’s not that old + walk year = 295-35-115
Your lips to the baseball gods’ ears.
295 with 35 hrs and 115 rbi’s? no f***in way. maybe 275 30 and 105
but he is not a player that hits for average.
i’LL TAKE IT!!!!!!
I just want to let you know how clever the nickname “Delsucko” is. I love you incorporated “suck” into his name. I personally would have went with “Delgod-awful.”
I’m pretty confident he’ll rebound. His power numbers may not be back to where they were 3 years ago, but his average will definitely go up – the guy’s a career .280 hitter.
It was the commonly accepted name for him on these boards during the season…..but , granted, yours is far more creative.
EVERYBOY should bat ahead of Delsucko ….. he SUCKS A LOT!!!!!!! not sure he’ll bounce back….. to me, he didn’t seem that concerned when he SUCKED this year…..
Someone should smack him over his bald head with that stupid notebook.
ha ha ha TRUE! writting notes is obviously not helping
umm actually we saw the notebook far more in 06′ when he was actually hitting well. the nb only surfaced a few times during 07′.
and correct me if im wrong but didn’t delgado become a father this season. im sure that had alot to do with his mental state, not being there for his child. im sure this offseason he was able to clear his head and he’ll be back with vengeance.
wow, way to deflate my joke.
Very optomistic some of you met fellow fans….. Delgado has been on a spiral downward, as has his aging process…… Not likely he will turn back into his pre 2006-07 self…..
no reason to believe he can’t. he’ll be 36, which is about the limit for playing exceptional ball. he’s only a year removed from 265-38-114
he had a terrible year, but still managed 258-24-87
it’s also his walk year. it’s amazing what a possible FA contract can do for a player. take for example arod, he actually hit last year when the lead was under 4 runs.
Notice a pattern?
no correlation between walk year and performance. stop using anecdotal evidence.
He didn’t want to do too much this year…..
you are right….. I heard him say that on an interview
Thanks for your corroboration Spock….
it’s MR Spock btw………
“Phillies have the third-best lineup in baseball, behind only the Tigers, Yankees and Red Sox.”
….somebody missed the short bus today
i like to call it “the window licker bus”
Phuck the Phillies!!
2-2
werd, their #’s always get padded b/c of CBP, we gotta deal with shea stadium, & does anyone remember the very first series we played in the 2007 season with the freakin cardinals?????
Well, things are going to be like that with the Phillies, Marlins & Washington this year, I know the team is going to come up and destroy these teams, DESTROY THEM not beat them.
werd, their #’s always get padded b/c of CBP, we gotta deal with shea stadium
Give up please. Utley, Howard and Rollins are legit no matter what park you put them in. Burrell also has power enough to hit it out of anywhere *(when he can connect)
does anyone remember the very first series we played in the 2007 season with the freakin cardinals?????
How about the LAST game we played in the 2007 season with the freakin Cardinals? How’d that work out for you pal?
Well, things are going to be like that with the Phillies, Marlins & Washington this year, I know the team is going to come up and destroy these teams, DESTROY THEM not beat them
Stop it please. If losing an NLCS couldn’t motivate them to play with fire for a full season, the collapse sure won’t.
Mets fans never learn
If losing an NLCS couldn’t motivate them to play with fire for a full season, the collapse sure won’t.
Mets fans never learn
Sad, but true
+10
Burrell is a strange duck. I am not sure if I have ever seen a player who had such a love-hate relationship with the fans of his team. Phillie fans literally love this guy one day and call for management to trade him the next.
My favorite phrase.
About 20 years ago I bought a boot leg T shirt in the Shea parking lot that had the Phils logo and that slogan on it!
I don’t think our lineup is strong at the bottom… I think it would be stronger with a Milledge and/or Lo Duca…
In addtion, our lineup is worse, in my opinion, with the inevitable inuuries to Beltran and Alou…
stronger than the phillies.
there first five is great, true. but if delgado can get anywhere near his old self we have an egually good first five and a better bottom of the lineup.
Rollins + Utley + Howard are bettre of a combo than Reyes + Wright + Beltran right now…
Wish it wasn’t true…
Our bottom of the lineup is way better than the Phillies.
Rollins, Howard and Utley are also aged between 28-30, while Reyes and Wright are both still 24 years old.
I would take our 3 going forward, no question.
That is not the discussion, however. The fact remains that right now Rollins-Utley-Howard is better than Reyes-Wright-Beltran.
No, they were better last year. And the Mets trio was better in 2006. They are really close, and the mets have youth on their side.
Advantage: Mets
SO TRUE IN EVERY WAY!!
For the last time, we did not down grade our offense by replacing Milledge and Loduca for Church and Schnieder. Not to mention the defensive additions.
As for Schnieder’s BA it is terrible but some how he still gets on base more than Loduca. Is that not what we need for a #8 hitter.
As for Milledge and Church, I can imagine it will be a wash or even slightly favor Church who is LH and balances the lineup more as well as GG type D.
Schneider may have had a better OBP year than Lo Duca last season… But career-wise, LoDuca is much, much better…
Church has not been playing full time for a terrible franchise… This is telling… Milledge had his chances… He played well when given a shot… He still has a tremendous upside…
He has tremendous up side and down side. Plus, what makes you think that Loduca’s skills will not continue to downgrade? In addition to the fact that Schnieder is a perfect platoon partner for Castro.
We did downgrade. And by chance if we did upgrade, we went from a 7.00 to a 7.01
I can agree with that part. We did not improve by much but I am guessing that overall it will be a slight improvement NEXT year. But we still have to mention the defensive part of the trade as well as it’s impact on the clubhouse.
haha those two guys won’t fit in. get it? get it??
is the mic on?
Everyday, i read a comment bout Lo Duca & Milledge, but let me say this,
1st & foremost I loved those 2, I liked Paulie’s fire & Milledge’s confidence, but……
After thinking about, it’s not a givin, that if you put a the most talented team together they will always be the best team.
Couple of years ago, remember the WBC, USA deff. had the most talented team, but Japan won it, with guys that are half their sizes non the less, but they still won it.
If Schneider & Church come to NY, & believe that they are team players & think they have to prove something they can be the bond that sticks this team together.
The WBC was poorly structured, not to mention that the umpires basically cheated the Japanese team of a win against the US.
Something doesn’t feel right when Korea beats Japan twice, but has to play them a third time.
WBC was a good idea, but it won’t work out.
As for Schneider/Church trade. Ehhh, they stink and who knows about Millz, but we should have gotten more for him. That’s what pains us Met fans.
Church doesn’t stink. What are you basing that statement on? Obviously not the 272/15/70 with 43 doubles he had in 470 AB’s in 2007.
points guy
I AGREE WITH YOU 100% ABOUT KOREA & THE WBC
you get 1000 points bro…..
it was wack but regardless the fact that even a lower potential team like korea went undefeated (& I was rooting for korea) until the last round shows that there are intangibles that we as fans will never truly understand
loduca doesnt make any spot in any lineup better.
unless it’s a team of old guys picking up 19yo chicks
gotta say i think we have the best lineup in the nl. thats not because i am a fan either. i really think our lineup is extremely well balanced and that all that is missing form our being serious contenders is a couple pitchers. 1 sp and like 3 rp.
“an older, wiser beltran settling in to the clean-up spot,”
LOL. when he isnt sitting out. this lineup is no improvement over last year. alou and delgado are also a year OLDER. get real.
Yup those 14 games that he sit out last year shows that he is not durable at all.
The lineup wasn’t a problem last year. The 10 runs allowed per game against the Nats was.
Yea, that never helps.
The problem with the Met line-up, as I see it, is a glaring weakness against LHP’s. Beltran, Delgado, Church and Schneider all struggle against lefties. Who’s protecting Wright in that line-up?
I assume Castro will replace Schneider against tough lefties (not that Schneider will hit anyone, but I digress), but Omar has to find a RH replacement for Church. With all due respect, Matt, I don’t think this line-up is balanced at all.
Kevin Mench has been very solid in his career (albeit short) against LH pitching… He was non-tendered by Milwaukee yesterday… I would not mind a pickup og Mench… Gomez is not ready…
Is that what balanced means? R v L?
Wouldn’t Alou be protecting Wright?
the lineup is a little deeper than philly’s but they clearly have the superior lineup theres no argument here. yes they play in a band box but the bottom line is they score a ton of runs and what else is there to really judge offense other than run scoring ability. im worried about our offense, its very injury prone and that lineup matt posted will not be out there day in and day out it will change constantly where as the phillies 1-5 will probably be the same all year. it sucks that there really wasnt any offensive improvement out there for us other than arod. this is why we need santana, we get him and next offseason can be an offensive minded one, if we dont get him like some fans dont think we should (i still dont get how 36% still wouldnt want him), then next offseason will have a nearly impossible amount of holes to fill; pitching bullpen and offense, leading to a failure to do so leading to us getting worse in 09.
Yup, Phils led the NL in runs scored on the road, Mets were a close second, so it’s not all about where they play their home games. (And, naturally, none of their road games are in that ‘bandbox’ and the Mets have a bunch of opportunities to pad their road stats there).
“…that said, i’m more than happy with the Mets offense, which is fairly balanced and traditional…”
What does that mean? Balanced = pretty good throughout? Traditional? What does that mean?
It’s fair and balanced!! Like fox news!
I love t he lineup we are going the season with. But really I’d like to think that the pitching is a work in progress. The lineup can’t do it on its own.
First and foremost, I’d pursuea relief pitcher with setup man potential via free agency. A guy like Otsuka, Dotel or Wise would be a huge help.
Then I’d sign a veteran starter at a modest price, to either put in relief and start later in the year in Hernadez’s place, or to move Hernandez to the bullpen. A guy like Bartolo Colon or Freddy Garcia (who comes back in June, right on time).
Then I’d put a package together consisting of Gomez, Heilman, Pelfrey, Mulvey/Niese & Humber to get Johan Santana.
Rotation: Santana, Martinez, Maine, Perez, Hernandez/Colon
Bullpen: Otsuka/Dotel/Wise/Register, Sosa, Feliciano, Sanchez, Schoeneweis, Smith, Wagner, (Add Hernandez if the Mets get Colon, it could be wise for the Mets to go with an 8 man bullpen)
Let us look to 2009 lineup:
1. Reyes
2. Castillo
3. Wright
4. Beltran
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. Schneider
9. pitcher
Good job these last 2 offseasons Omar, good job!
Oh yeah because we never sign anyone through free agency. There is no way we can replace any of those spots through FA or that if not traded that Gomez could be a replacement. I am sure every team in the ML has all 8 spots locked up for next year. What is Omar doing? He could have had Fukudome or Rowand at vastly overpaid contracts…….
what available via FA next offseason…..not much tough guy!
Who are you? Hacksaw Jim Duggan? Tough Guy Hoooo
Here are a few potential FA that fit our needs.
Abreu, G. Anderson, Baldelli, Blalock, Burrell, Crawford, Dunn, Griffey, Vlad, Hudson, Pena, Manny, Tex and Thome.
Those are just a few. I would expect us to trade for 1 or two of those as well. That’s also assuming that Delgado does not have a bounce back year and he is not resigned. Or that Curch does not continue to put up good numbers and D in RF. Or that Gomez is not around.
How does a team find a corner OF or 1B through free agency? The only way to fill these spots is draft them 6 years ahead of time and wait. You can’t just go out and acquire guys like Alou, Delgado, Green….
were these players drafted 6 yrs ago? look we did a great job with reyes and wright. and a ballclub just isn’t capable of drafting 8 starters, but omar seems like his plan is loosy goosy and right now, I see no plan to replace pedro, alou, delgado, or church. Thus, this brings me back to my original statement, enjoy 2008 gang because 2009 should be a heck of a lot worse!
Why does Church need replacing? Dont say its because he sucks. He is more than adequate for a RF.
You’re totally hysterical dude.
Pedro…er…his contract doesn’t expire until the end of the ‘09 season. Omar has about 11 months to discuss a new one.
Alou…see above…
Delgado….see above…
Church doesn’t hit for free agency for four more years.
What’s the rush? Let’s get to the the All Star Break before we start talking contracts…
Metsdude13 you are missing my entire point. Let me try to clarify: if Omar had done his job and got a legit #1 or #2 pitcher in the last 2 offseasons, he would have no problem addressing the pending departure of Delgado and Alou and Pedro next offseason. But, because he has not addressed the pitching in any legitimate way, now we have to replace 1 to 2 starting pitchers next offseason, a LF, and a 1B. If we don’t have the “chips” this offseason to replace starting pitching, how will we have the “chips” to replace 2 starters, a LF, and 1B……
Translation = Mets future sucks!
astoria – your wrong….Pedro and Alou’s contracts expire after 2008 and Delgado has a team option for 2009 which i presume the Mets won’t entertain unless he has a killer year!
chili, that is why i think we need to trade those chips now for santana, it limits the amount of holes for next offseason. i dont know omar personally so i dont know what his level of intelligence is but his job next year will be easier if he just sacks up and gives minnesota the farm.
Oh yeah because we never sign anyone through free agency
Then say goodbyeto draft picks!
Yup. Omar really doesn’t have this “long term plan” thingee thought out.
Maybe it’s time for a GM who does…
Obviously all teams bring up their own players instead of signing FA, especially large market teams.
Also add that not all free agents cost draft picks
trumpzilla is a yankee fan. ignore him.
if omar can’t add a pitcher the last 2 offseasons, how do you expect him to add a pitcher, 1B, LF, and RF, next offseason. I have little faith in omar now…..time for a new plan!
It’s arguable that all of the pitchers available before 2007 were certainly not worth their price and may have regressed our possibility of a World Series.
Omar hasn’t failed yet. Not 1 pitcher has been dealt yet anyway, except for Willis, who I have no interest in.
So, Mr. 4 year old, have some patience.
We could resign Church. He’s only 29, you know.
And what was that thing called? Free agency?
Adam Dunn and Ben Broussard and the lineup is set. When MArtinez is ready let go Broussard and put Dunn at first. You heard it here first, folks.
every day i’m starting to dislike omar more and more!
everyday I am starting to dislike the posters on this board more and more!
HERE’S THE MITCHELL LIST NO JOKE…
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez,Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Pior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts,Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez, Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, Jason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood.
The Mitchell list has Juan Gonzalez twice?
That’s a LOT of steroids.
Ramon Castro’s presence is contrary to multiple current media reports that “no player currently on the Mets 40 man roster are on the list” but damn that head is big. Also, yes I’m aware of Edelweiss but that was public previously.
Is this the list that had been posted, then taken down from NBC?
Remember that Mets lineup against lefties will most likely be:
Reyes, Castillo, Wright, Beltran, Alou, Delgado, Castro, Easly; that’s 7 RH bats plus Delgado while Phillies struggle against lefties. For about a third of our games, I think we have a better lineup. Even against righties, we send up 6 LH bats plus Wright and Alou, which means with two semi-platoons and three switch hitters, we have a very balanced lineup.
balanced yes, but is it traditional?
Well, this isn’t football. The same goes on offense have to play defense.
And the Phils lineup isn’t exactly going to set the world on fire defensively.
Victorino will be tired playing center surrounded by Burrell and Werth. Good thing it is a 3/4 scale ballpark they paly in!
Interesting point on the ballpark. A good GM with a unique ballpark puts together a team that will have an advantage in 81 games. If I’m the Phillies, I prioritize ground ball pitchers and sluggers, while deprioritizing things like outfield range.
It is worth nothing that Church, Castillo, Schneider have been argued as defensive upgrades.
Eckstein , 1 yr, 4.5M. Sounds a bit better than 4 yrs whatever millions for Castillo. And I am not an Eckstein fan.
puhahahahaahahah
where are those castillo/moron minaya apologists? You would still take Castillo for 4 years?
what a joke moron minaya is.
so let’s review:
Castillo 4 yrs/$24 mm
Matsui 3 yrs/$15 mm
Eckstein 1 yr/$4.5 mm
Iguchi 1 yr/$3 mm
Clearly Omar pannicked and overpaid Castillo…..
no way man, you’re dumb. Castillo is worlds better!!! He hasn’t broken down yet, he has the best obp, be it by 3 thousandths of a point.
mocking, of course.
Or clearly he wanted Castillo for his defense and ability to hit 2nd in the lineup and could not help that Eck was dumb enough to turn down a 4 year offer.
and Eck made 15 more errors than Castillo last year, and Matsui has already tried and failed here. I guess the solution to the Mets problems is (was) Iguchi.
Eck would make less errors at 2b, it’s the softest infield position out there.
did he really turn down the 4 years? I’ll bet it was never offered to him. I’ll bet it wasn’t even close, the open market can’t be off by that much. So there’s a possibility that LoDuca turned down 4 years for 20 million somewhere? Didn’t happen, both cases.
No it’s the same thing that happen with Hernandez and Molina a couple of years ago. Put your best offer on the table and which ever one accepts it then so be it. If either stall then too bad for them.
A lot of players think they are multi-year players and completely miss the boat by waiting around and killing their own market.
You can’t honestly defend the Castillo signing, after the fact. Someone miscalculated the market, and his name begins with Moron.
who gives a crap. who we have at 2nd base will not make or break the season. be drama queens more, losers.
Yeah, exactly who is making advising Omar on the value of players?
Pedro’s midget.
Church and Schneider. Awful.
Name 1 way in which Church is terrible?
Was it his career .272/.349/.464 line?
20 HR per 550 AB?
The fact that every single year his OPS has been above .800?
I don’t see the sucking there… Isn’t that pretty much what Milledge is expected to do?
I’m happy with Church in the 7 hole. What more do you want in the NL? A bit of wishful thinking in that having a lefthanded hitting catcher is a nice addition. Maybe he comes into his own a bit in the superior Met lineup.
not to mention his 40+ doubles out of the 7 spot in the order. It’s not all about home runs and RBI’s. This isn’t ESPN, this is real life.
If Church was on the Mitchell Report, he would have had 35+ HR, 100+ RBI’s.
The Phils have a great offense–and no pitching.
Seriously, as panicky as we are, imagine if your staff was Cole Hamels, Jamie Moyer, and nobody else.
Brett Myers too.
The guy who beats his wife and failed as a starter?
I don’t see anything good there…
Myers “failed” as a starter??
Look at his numbers. WTF is wrong with you?
The Phils (re)added Myers to their rotation, which is a better pitcher BY A MILE than anyone the Mets will be adding not named Johan.
Hamels-Myers-Kendrick-Moyer is SOLID.
calm down
Kendrick is going to be a flop. The entire year has seemed very fluky for him.
Moyer is downright terrible.
Myers has a career low ERA 3.72, a career ERA of 4.34, and a 4.33 ERA as a closer last year. He also has very little control.
Hamels vs. Perez, Hamels wins
Moyer vs. Martinez, Martinez KILLS
Kendrick vs. Pelfrey, I personally take Pelfrey
Myers vs. Maine, I take Maine.
seriously, take your panties, and un-bunch them
Kendrick vs. Pelfrey, I personally take Pelfrey
on what planet? mars? that’s a bit of personal bias
kendrick is better than pelfrey right now i have to disagree, martinez owns moyer, hamels owns maine, perez and myers is a wash
huh? i’m a little confused with your statement[s]. more punctuation please.
No pitcher that pitches to contact as much as Kendrick can be successful.
a 3/1 IP/K ratio. That’s beyond terrible.
Kendrick is not bad either…
And he was their only reliable arm in the bullpen. After a year-plus of being in the bullpen, he goes back to starting. How he’ll react to that is a big question mark.
I’ll take Pedro-Maine-Ollie over that trio.
the mets need santana badly. yes we gut the farm, but those guys can be replaced. and next offseason we’ll have alot of offensive holes to fill which will be hard enough w.o having to worry about getting an ace. why put off for tomorrow what you can do today, get the ace now omar then focus on offense next offseason.
Santana will also help us get free agents. It legitimizes our team further as Beltran/Pedro signings did.
bottomline: three teams have an equal opportunity to win the nl east next year: phils, mets, braves. any edge is very slight. it will come down to the following: 1. health 2. career years
getting out of the nl will be much tougher this year with a bunch of teams with equal chances of getting to the ws: mets, phils, braves, dodgers, rockies, padres, cubs, brewers, d-backs, cards
the al comes down to a lot fewer elite teams: red sox, tigers, angels, indians, and the bronx syringes
I totally agree. Its wide open. Career years and health will def. make the difference. I think that comment is prob the best I have seen today.
and if we had johan santana the east would be a lock.
easily
Somebody just came up with a list in an eTopps.com message board that they said that they got from CNBC. It had Ramon Castro and Scott Schoeneweiss on the list. I think the list is a load of crap, but if it’s not…
That list has been making the rounds for a few hours now… MLB has discredited it…
Good. Oh…by the way, what if one of our current players is on the list? I mean, has Minaya already shown his lax attitude in his resigning Mota?
Gomez, Heilman, Mulvey, Humber & Pelfrey for Santana.
Add either Otsuka, Dotel or Wise.
Sign Garcia as starting pitching insurance.
sign me up i dont see an issue with those moves on top of not only finally having a 1st round pick but basically having 3.
At this point, I’d say take any 5 prospects and be done with it.
Does anyone have their number? I’ll do it. I work in sales.
lol canseco is at the press conference.
the report has checks written by Lo Duca to Kurt Rodomski…
lo duca is on the list
Paul lo duca is on the list of ppl who sent checks for steroids
no surprise, those psycho eyes have an explanation
ESPN Jeremey Schapp just said Paul Lo Duca is on the list.
Speaking earlier of replacements for 1st base. I know he is old and has not advanced due to injuries and “attitude” but what about Brett Harper. The guy can flat out hit. He should be in AAA this year (age 27) and could be a replacement in the future. He hit 36 HR in 2005 and 24 last year.
full report
http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf
Matt,
It doesn’t surprise me that you would think the Mets lineup is better…after all, they are the Mets. They have the best lineup ever right?
Face it….Phillies lineup is much stronger and it was last year too….as you can see by the numbers. NO the size of the ballpark doesn’t compensate for the numbers. Rollins is better out of the leadoff spot than Reyes, Utley equals DWright, and Howard for cleanup….not even a question over Beltran. How you find the Mets lineup better…is only bc your a Mets fan. In reality…its not near as good. It’s actually worse than last year with Church and Schneider at the bottom. 7,8,9 is a virtual inning.
Furthermore, you having Delgado is almost laughable at this point. Bounce back year? Yeah ok….hes just another year older…and another year crappier. He should be batting no higher than 7th. I’d have Church in front of him. No more egos on this team…its whose producing and whose not.
I would predict a .240 year from Delgado, 14HR, 67RBI max.
That is, if he stays healthy. Last year wasn’t an off year…its called a decline. He’s old.
And if your trying to convince yourself otherwise…your living in a dillusion.
The fact that you see Rollins as a possibility to repeat what he did shows that your opinions are false.
Also, what drives you Delgado predictions? His bad first half?
He actually had a great second half, despite injury.
In 2006, the Los Angeles Times reported that Grimsley had accused six players, including Clemens and Pettitte, in a federal agent’s affidavit as players who had used performance-enhancing drugs. Both Clemens and Pettitte denied the rumors at the time.
hahaha liars too, i hope that’s what they told a grand jury as well. hello barry!
Paul Lo-Duca! clap clap clap clap clap
Put the Mets lineup in the Phillies or Rockies stadiums and you have a better offense. . .
Phils lead the NL in runs scored on the road.
Mets were close second.
Mets played how many road games in Philly? Phillies get none of those.
Mets scored 30 runs in their first 5 games in Philly to pad their road stats.
Of course, in their last 2007 trip to Citizens bank, the Mets were only able to score 2 runs in the first 3 games (a rare feeble offensive performance in that bandbox) before coming back with an-almost-good-enough 10 runs in the finale.
So, yes, sometimes the Mets score in Philadelphia. Sometimes they struggle to score 2 runs a game.
Give the Mets credit, I didn’t make it clear that the NYM scored 2 runs in EACH of the first 3 games of their last series in Philly in 2007. It might read that they only scored 2 in the 3 gms combined, not fair to the Metropolitans to say that.
the cubs lineup will be very good this year.
It IS December, but you tell me lineup-wise, what are going to do at this point? There isn’t much more with the exception of a possible platoon partner for Chruch (Kevin Mench??)
Depends upon who is on the DL…
metsdude13,
That might just about the smartest thing you’ve ever said. Though I can’t remember who says what.
Oh, here’s +100
Why say goodbye to Endy?
5 OF’ers…
Bench would be Endy, Mench, Anderson, Easley and Castro.
And of course no mention of Alou, agreed bec. of injury risk, but he is a LH killer.
he knows delgado and alou are old and therefore gone so he shouldn’t prepare for the not so distant future……are you kidding me?
those question marks can be filled, which is why we need santana so we dont have to worry about pitching next offseason and focus on offense which should be the main need unless of course we sit on prospects that probably wont develop.
1B is a real concern in 09. No matter what Delgod-awful does in 08, i don’t think i want him back.
He’s always been a cleanup hitter. But b/c of his contract, Willie/Mets higher ups all thought he should bat #3 where you can more ABs for your money.
Talk about dumb.
So, yes, Beltran should thrive in the 4 hole.
Plus I think we have to remember these same guys have to play in the field. As clean-up hitters, I’ll take Beltran because I’m sure that when you add his batting production with the runs in field that he saves we’re way better off than adding Howard’s production to what he gives up in the field.
You know, the one thing that bugs me is no Met pitcher has EVER dusted Burrell. I would have so much more respect for a guy like Pelfrey if he stuck one in the middle of Burrell’s back. I’m not an advocate of thuggery, but when a guy owns you, you have to make him uncomfortable. I hate Clemens as much as the next guy, but I don’t think Piazza ever got another hit off him after his stuck a fastball between the NY on his helmet.
you are missing Gotay, the only legit (sort of) back up MI on the team.
Unless you want to see Easley playing SS if Reyes needs a break!
Alou kills all pitching, when healthy
Which is almost never
You’re right, since86, I meant to mention “with the inevitable loss of Alou” the line-up will struggle against LHP.
Yea, but you gotta sign him, knowing he’s only good for x amount of games.
btw, Willie overplayed him in the beginning of the season. I remember thinking, why is Alou out there every game?
Then, boom, Alou gets hurt. Again, Willie’s a moron.
Church hts fine against RH pitching, and it looks like there will be some sort of platoon.
Church/ Mench, Nady, Easley (whoever it ends up being) is pretty solid for the 7th hole.
Castro/Schneider is fine for the 8 hole.
I love good chin music. Hit him in the legs once, then let the next pitcher come within 3″ of his chin…. :)
Yes, Piazza & Estes both homered off him. That game was so pathetic.
What I would have done:
Start Estes, have Armando Benitez warming up in the bullpen. When it’s medicine time, bring in Benitez, tell him to put one in Clemen’s earhole and then replace him.
yea actually piazza did homer off him in that game the next year.
Forgot about that. But I still think I’d like to see Burrell on his back.
I never understood why Mets pitchers are such pansys. You need to have attitude out there on the mound. even when Pedro came here, he became the nicest guy in the world. wtf?
Pedro was a headhunter in Montreal as well.
Shockey’s best years are past him. Is that possible? He hasn’t been the same force since his rookie yr. Albeit, I blame Coughlin’s system more
That catch against the ’stros, climbing the hill, avoiding the pole (!?!?!?!). He won us that game.
not to mention the go ahead rbi after that.
echo echo
You < Mainstream Music of 2007.
And that’s saying something.
hahahaha gotta beat that long line
Nobody beats the wiz!
staple of main street, flushing. forever gone
+5