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This morning on WFAN, morning hosts Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton 
pointed out that one-third of the Yankees roster from the 2000 World Series had been mentioned in yesterday’s Mitchell Report.
…since yesterday, actually, i have been getting e-mail after e-mail mocking the Yankees, calling them cheaters, noting how the Mets should get a ring, etc, and on a day like today i think it is fair to raise and debate this question…personally, i rather not, mostly because there is still so much unknown…so, to debate this as though we have all the facts, to me, is unfair…however, as Anthony De Rosa wrote at Hot Foot, while no title should be stripped from the them, this is certainly fun to bug Yankees fan about…and that, i totally agree with…
…my thing is that we just don’t know the truth, and probably never will…i mean, who is to say that more Mets from 2000 were not doped up as well, and have not yet been caught…i don’t think this is the case, obviously, but who knows…
Steve Phillips, who was GM of the Mets in 2000, had the following to say while on ESPN News, according to the Star-Ledger…
“With the Mets, I thought four, five, six guys over a six-year period of time were using it. What was I to do? You had nowhere to go as a general manager. I wasn’t going to go through every shoe box or every locker in the clubhouse and say, ‘I wonder if there are syringes in there’ I wasn’t going to expose it and not have the ability to penalize the player. We had assumptions…but you had nowhere to go on the hunches you had (about) the players.”
Nevertheless, The Lede, a blog from the New York Times, takes a closer look at this discussion, while quoting MetsBlog, Toasty Joe and Metstradamus. Additionally, Mets Refugees provides a fantastic graphic to mark the conversation, while providing some stats that will sadden Yankees fans.
Lastly, SNY is asking readers, “What’s your opinion of Roger Clemens after the allegations in the Mitchell Report?”
To vote, click here and scroll down.
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all i know is that it is fun to say:
“Roger Clemens took it in the butt”
My paper is the trentonian ..on the front page its a pic of Roger and real big in quotes it says “HE TOOK IT IN THE BUTT” man i had’nt laughed so hard 1st thing in the morning in 4ever.
post the cover, or link please
Did you see the headline for Ike Turner’s death in the Post?
It read:
Ike “beats” Tina to death. (something like that)
that is astounding. The other headlines are “Woman had consensual sex with 5 troopers” and “Former Newark mayor billed adult movies to city.” Great stuff
This from Bill Madden in the News:
“conveniently omitting the fact that when Clemens was allegedly being pumped in his buttocks by McNamee”
You think he even know what he wrote?
i need that cover blown up 20″ x 20″ and used as a banner outside of my house.
the funny thing is roger is biting his bottom lip in the pic so when u read it and look @ his face u get the impression he is having it done right there..lmao!!
here is the link to see the cover:
http://www.trentonian.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily
guess mike piazza wasnt that gay ny baseball player they were talkin about.
gomets2008: so glad you brought this to our attention. fantastic.
maybe trenton can change the city slogan on that bridge to: TRENTON MAKES, CLEMENS TAKES (IT IN THE BUTT)
http://images.jrcinteractive.com/binaries/FSImage/2007/12/13/1197605170784_web_12_14_page_one_EPS_copy.jpg
AMAZING!!!!!!
As a baseball fan I’m sad about Clemens. As a Mets fan I’m thrilled with more amo to use in taking cracks at the Yanks!
Maybe that whole throw-a-piece-of-broken-bat-at-Mike-Piazza’s-head thing was nothing more than a case of ‘roid rage.
I’m just sayin’…
It’s been mentioned more than a dozen times in the last 30 hours, and there’s probably some truth to it.
Are you guys serious? It was mentioned within 30 hours of the bat throwing incident.
My opinion? I’m glad it came out, finally the layperson knows that ol’ Texas boy was roided up, something most of us knew a long time ago.
Sorry to repost something that’s been said multiple times. I’m in CT and my cable modem got knocked out with the storm yesterday.
absolutely no need to apologize
Well we cant go back in time…so No….we dont deserve the ring, we have no clue how many Mets were juiced as well(Payton,Pratt?) ….As far as Im concerned this report is not concrete enough ..and Petite was accused of roidin from 01-02..so that wouldnt count in 2000…Im a Met fan, but this roid nonsense is now getting old…Im sure there are a lot of players not named that have cheated..no one is safe from accusations these days…..as far as Rawjah….he will prob make it into the hall..but he in my opinion is not ahead of Pedro as far as gr8test pitcher of the last 20 years…sorry , Pedro most likely didnt cheat…..I hate the Yanks and yes this makes me hate them more, but the 2000 title is theirs to keep..we need to win it this year in the post roids era….so no1 will ever question our title…..LETS GO METS!!!
P.S. Omar , are u gonna sign a pitcher b4 the hot stove episode monday or what?? I refuse to watch an all LoDuca opinion show.
Well I for one hated Clemens before this came to light just as much as I hate him now. It had already been speculated that he was using steroids. And of course, I was at the game with the bat incident and distinctly remember wanting to run onto the field and beat the living s*** out of him. From that day I lost all respect for the man, whether it was roid rage or not.
He’d kick your butt
If I ignore it, will it go away?
Guess not. We lost 2000. I’m over it.
We lost in 2006. I’m over it
We died in 2007. I’d rather have zeke managing. He couldn’t do much worse. Omar has done nothing because his personnel wasn’t the problem. Can we import the Knick fans to Shea so that when Willie fails to properly execute a double switch, or when reyes takes a mental vacation, they can start the chant “Fire Willie”
Willie Bashing Season doesn’t start until April….right now is Omar Bashing Season…
I’ve stayed away from a lot of this stuff (partly due to finals, partly due to the witch hunt nature of this whole ordeal). But here’s my take.
Not really surprised, isn’t this what we always suspected anyway? And the point should be made, Mitchell made it pretty clear that this was just the tip of the iceberg, so if Clemens was juicing, he was pitching to juiced batters as well. Sure, there were probably a lot who didn’t juice, but more likely than not we won’t know who did and who didn’t.
As for the 200 World Series, eh, whatever, it’s over. I’m pretty sure Clemens and Pettitte were better than anything we had on our side. And how do we know Leiter and Hampton weren’t juicing? Just because they weren’t on the report doesn’t mean they were clean. Just saying.
My main point is that this entire report was a witch hunt and is largely based on circumstantial evidence. While such evidence can be very strong in some cases, in the end, there still isn’t too much proof against these guys. Baseball needs a lesson in PR. They should have just instituted a more stringent steroid/HGH/PED policy like the NFL did and just let the court of public opinion decide how history treats this “Steroid” era. Instead, they’ve tarnished the careers of some great ball players based mostly on hearsay and conjecture. I just don’t see how this is good for the game. All of the focus is on stuff that went down years ago, not on how great the Red Sox played in the playoffs or about the crazy trade the Tigers pulled off, or the battle for Johan’s services. Now all the focus is on this nonsense.
Actually, it’s not circumstantial evidence. The guy said he injected Clemens w/steroids. That’s direct evidence. Circumstantial evidence would be finding steroids in his locker or seeing needle marks all over his butt.
Finals? Are you in college? Enjoy it. Except for the money thing, there’s no better time.
One more thing. Sorry, am a lawyer.
We live in this videotape everything era and therefore are cynical about everythign unless there’s overwhleming proof that goes even beyond disproving reasonable doubts, we want direct visual evidence.
case in point, OJ Simpson case.
Actually, I’m in law school, 1L… haven’t taken Evidence yet, haha.
But while McNamee’s testimony or whatever is still just one man’s word. I obviously haven’t had a chance to read the whole report yet, but from what I’ve read online it doesn’t seem like they have a “great” case against him.
And was McNamee under oath when he spoke to Mitchell? What would the repercussions be if he lied? Is he in the same boat as Radmoski in that he sang to have the feds take it easy on him?
Oh, my turn for one more thing. The OJ case… a lot was going on there, but didn’t the LA cops screw up how they collected the evidence or something? They didn’t follow the correct procedure or something?
Plus the DA’s screwed up the timeline as well if I remember correctly.
McNamee was told if he lied, he could be subject to criminal prosecution. He had every reason to tell the truth.
If McNamee comes off as a credible witness, then they have a great case against Roger and Pettitte.
I agree that there is some unfairness in that only those players by whose names Mitchell came as a result of the fact that Radomski and McNamee squealed are mentioned. Or at least, they’re the only names who weren’t already previously mentioned.
I also think that the testimony was not given under oath and that it’s a bad way of generating historical verdicts on people.
But every player named in the report as a result of Radomski’s and McNamee’s information was given an opportunity to tell his side of the story. Almost nobody did.
If just a small percentage of currently active major leaguers who used PEDs had the courage and integrity to tell the truth about themselves, it wouldn’t have come to this.
Under all the circumstances, I think that the unfairness of having the clean players tarred by the overall cloud is a lot bigger than the unfairness of the users being outed this way.
Mike Piazza must be sitting back, sipping on a cold one, with a great big smile on his face.
That’s right, Mike, enjoy this moment along with the moments to come. You should enjoy watching Roger twisting in the wind.
All good things come to those who wait.
He probably went out for a makeover.
as far as we know mike was clean and clemens was roiding and piazza still owned him. have fun with your disgraced legacy rocket.
Based on the report, it is safe to say that the Mets would have had a better chance of winning the 2000 series had those Yankees not juiced. The Yanks might not have even gotten to the world series. Bottom line, nothing can be done but it is a great comeback for when a yankee fan starts flapping off at the mouth.
It’s not the 2000 World Series.
It’s the 2000* World Series.
Nobody wanted to throw asterisks on Bonds more than Yankees fans. You can’t have it both ways.
Make it 1999* and 1998* also.
They can’t take the title away or put an asterisk there. It would open up a can of worms and get them into murky waters.
However, it’s perfectly fine to question the legitimacy of the Yankees’ 2000 WS win. It’s not that they had just Clemens who is a known cheater, they had Pettitte, Stanton, Neagle, and Knoblauch. All key players late that year.
In the court of public opinion, both Clemens and the accomplishments of the late 90s Yankees teams have been tarnished. Their accomplishments have lost some legitimacy.
Any player not named up to now in any of the various investigations and books deserves the benefit of the doubt. So while there may have been cheaters on the 2000 Mets, it’s also likely that ALL their key players were clean (and only inconsequential players juiced).
It’s fair to question the 2000 Yankees (and their 1999 team as well). That’s the consequences of cheating. Maybe this will help teach others a lesson.
Mitchell did an excellent job.
So we have on air:
Francesa, the Clemens apologist
and
the neutered dog, the Bonds apologist.
Fantastic!!!!!!!
Clemens is definitely falling all over himself to stand up for his boys, but I think Dog is being pretty fair about Bonds. While he isn’t screaming like he would be for another team, he was critical of Sabean and the organization earlier.
That should say Francessa, not Clemens.
and up the dial, Kay the Yankee apologist. He’s basically saying nothing is tainted because “there’s a Radomski in every city, Mitchell just didn’t have anything on them to compel them to testify.” He added that “the only people who gave names did so because the federal government had ’something’ on them. ”
I immediately thought of the passage in the Mitchell report that describes David Justice giving names ‘volutarily’ and wondered what might have compelled him.
Points guy, you’re a lawyer I believe. Any thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5iqpb6L7pY
that is great. im too young to have seen that commercial when it originally aired, but it cracked me up. I would make a ‘clean’ joke, but they were all covered on the youtube page, so ill just say LOL
Haren just traded to dbacks for 6 players.
DBacks just got Haren.
I think the Yanks still would have won in 2000. Clemens wasn’t as big of a factor as Jeter or Rivera. Now if those two show up in a report, then we can talk. But who is to say that they won’t find Piazza, Alfonzo or Olerud on the list.
One thing that was answered though is the question of “what the hell was Clemens thinking when he threw the bat at Piazza?” Can you say roid rage.
One of the commenters on the Mets Refugees website posted this: “at the end of the day, wondering what would have happened had x, y, and z from such and such a team not been on steroids is tantamount to wondering what babe ruth would have done if he were facing pedro martinez, or who would have won a head-to-head matchup, the 86 mets or the 27 yankees.”
Which I think brings up a BETTER question: We all know Babe Ruth was well known for drinking, the “drug” of choice of his day. We all know Doc Gooden was well known for snorting, the drug of choice of his day. Had the two of them been playing today, they likely both would have used steroids rather than the destructive drugs they actually used. So who would have beaten who, the ‘roided up Ruth or the ‘roided up Gooden?
http://www.trentonian.com/WebApp/appmanager/JRC/Daily
haha
think about it.
“I thought the broken bat was a baseball.”
The guy makes multi millions throwing a baseball and he confused a piece of wood for a baseball.
It’s laughable.
How come no one ever charged Clemens? He’s a big guy I understand, but why would anyone be scared of some fatso who has the coordination of Paris Hilton on a Sunday morning?
Because he looked unstable. Seriously. That’s what’s Piazza said.
no offense to the pizza man, but he was a bit of a pansy.
I think Piazza should have charged Clemens as soon as he threw one outside and low.
Show him what crazy is really all about.
What’s worse ? Steroid allegations ..or homosexuality allegations …I guess either way someone takes it in the butt huh???
Pansy? I’m sure that’s outweighed by the grim satisfaction Mike will have when he’s inducted into the hall of fame and Clemens is not.
What’s worse ?
Legally or among your friends?
+5
Piazza is a classy guy with a sense of propriety. I don’t think he felt it was proper to charge the mound in a World Series when he couldn’t figure out if the instigator was more crazed than anything.
I think Piazza did the right thing.
And then he basically had the same reaction we all did after having to put up with Guillermo Mota.
“WHERE’S MOTA?!?!?!?!?!!!!!”
Oh, and Mike Hampton? Piazza could shatter your jaw.
Sorry, this bat-throwing thing is bringing back memories.
and whoever the umps were should’ve been fired for not ejecting Clemens. Just ridiculous.
And — not to mention, the rules of the game change in the world series.
When a runner is sprinting towards first base, the pitcher needs to peg the runner with the ball to record an out.
As if throwing the baseball at a player would not itself be completely irrational.
Haren dealt to D-backs for prospects
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7565926