Comments on: Read: Steroids and the Subway Series http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:15:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: gomets6091 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66470 gomets6091 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:40:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66470 One of the commenters on the Mets Refugees website posted this: "at the end of the day, wondering what would have happened had x, y, and z from such and such a team not been on steroids is tantamount to wondering what babe ruth would have done if he were facing pedro martinez, or who would have won a head-to-head matchup, the 86 mets or the 27 yankees." Which I think brings up a BETTER question: We all know Babe Ruth was well known for drinking, the "drug" of choice of his day. We all know Doc Gooden was well known for snorting, the drug of choice of his day. Had the two of them been playing today, they likely both would have used steroids rather than the destructive drugs they actually used. So who would have beaten who, the 'roided up Ruth or the 'roided up Gooden? One of the commenters on the Mets Refugees website posted this: “at the end of the day, wondering what would have happened had x, y, and z from such and such a team not been on steroids is tantamount to wondering what babe ruth would have done if he were facing pedro martinez, or who would have won a head-to-head matchup, the 86 mets or the 27 yankees.”

Which I think brings up a BETTER question: We all know Babe Ruth was well known for drinking, the “drug” of choice of his day. We all know Doc Gooden was well known for snorting, the drug of choice of his day. Had the two of them been playing today, they likely both would have used steroids rather than the destructive drugs they actually used. So who would have beaten who, the ‘roided up Ruth or the ‘roided up Gooden?

]]> By: metsfan1 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66333 metsfan1 Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:22:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66333 I think the Yanks still would have won in 2000. Clemens wasn't as big of a factor as Jeter or Rivera. Now if those two show up in a report, then we can talk. But who is to say that they won't find Piazza, Alfonzo or Olerud on the list. One thing that was answered though is the question of "what the hell was Clemens thinking when he threw the bat at Piazza?" Can you say roid rage. I think the Yanks still would have won in 2000. Clemens wasn’t as big of a factor as Jeter or Rivera. Now if those two show up in a report, then we can talk. But who is to say that they won’t find Piazza, Alfonzo or Olerud on the list.

One thing that was answered though is the question of “what the hell was Clemens thinking when he threw the bat at Piazza?” Can you say roid rage.

]]> By: hyperion4 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66268 hyperion4 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:42:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66268 I agree that there is some unfairness in that only those players by whose names Mitchell came as a result of the fact that Radomski and McNamee squealed are mentioned. Or at least, they're the only names who weren't already previously mentioned. I also think that the testimony was not given under oath and that it's a bad way of generating historical verdicts on people. But every player named in the report as a result of Radomski's and McNamee's information was given an opportunity to tell his side of the story. Almost nobody did. If just a small percentage of currently active major leaguers who used PEDs had the courage and integrity to tell the truth about themselves, it wouldn't have come to this. Under all the circumstances, I think that the unfairness of having the clean players tarred by the overall cloud is a lot bigger than the unfairness of the users being outed this way. I agree that there is some unfairness in that only those players by whose names Mitchell came as a result of the fact that Radomski and McNamee squealed are mentioned. Or at least, they’re the only names who weren’t already previously mentioned.

I also think that the testimony was not given under oath and that it’s a bad way of generating historical verdicts on people.

But every player named in the report as a result of Radomski’s and McNamee’s information was given an opportunity to tell his side of the story. Almost nobody did.

If just a small percentage of currently active major leaguers who used PEDs had the courage and integrity to tell the truth about themselves, it wouldn’t have come to this.

Under all the circumstances, I think that the unfairness of having the clean players tarred by the overall cloud is a lot bigger than the unfairness of the users being outed this way.

]]> By: hyperion4 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66258 hyperion4 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:32:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66258 As if throwing the baseball at a player would not itself be completely irrational. As if throwing the baseball at a player would not itself be completely irrational.

]]> By: Peter Wade http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66256 Peter Wade Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:28:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66256 Haren dealt to D-backs for prospects http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7565926 Haren dealt to D-backs for prospects
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7565926

]]> By: Achilles400 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66253 Achilles400 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:25:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66253 DBacks just got Haren. DBacks just got Haren.

]]> By: thewrightstuff http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66251 thewrightstuff Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:25:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66251 Haren just traded to dbacks for 6 players. Haren just traded to dbacks for 6 players.

]]> By: Ken Dynamo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66249 Ken Dynamo Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:16:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66249 gomets2008: so glad you brought this to our attention. fantastic. maybe trenton can change the city slogan on that bridge to: TRENTON MAKES, CLEMENS TAKES (IT IN THE BUTT) gomets2008: so glad you brought this to our attention. fantastic.

maybe trenton can change the city slogan on that bridge to: TRENTON MAKES, CLEMENS TAKES (IT IN THE BUTT)

]]> By: 5and7 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66245 5and7 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:13:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66245 that is great. im too young to have seen that commercial when it originally aired, but it cracked me up. I would make a 'clean' joke, but they were all covered on the youtube page, so ill just say LOL that is great. im too young to have seen that commercial when it originally aired, but it cracked me up. I would make a ‘clean’ joke, but they were all covered on the youtube page, so ill just say LOL

]]> By: Achilles400 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66237 Achilles400 Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:45:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/14/read-steroids-and-the-subway-series/#comment-66237 This from Bill Madden in the News: "conveniently omitting the fact that when Clemens was allegedly being pumped in his buttocks by McNamee" You think he even know what he wrote? This from Bill Madden in the News:

“conveniently omitting the fact that when Clemens was allegedly being pumped in his buttocks by McNamee”

You think he even know what he wrote?

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