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According to Tim Brown, at Yahoo! Sports, free-agent LHP Kyle Lohse is considering offers from the Mets and Phillies, ‘both of which could go to four years.’
In 34 starts for the Reds and Phillies last season, the 29–year-old Lohse was 9–12 with a 4.63 ERA, while striking out 122 batters through 192 innings.
…well, lohse is durable…the thing is, he’s also hittable…basically, he strikes me as the kind of pitcher who, in the perfect ball park, when on his game, can be a great-looking pitcher, but every thing must go right…i don’t want to get ahead of myself here, but, if the Mets are able to acquire Johan Santana, and pair him up with John Maine, Oliver Perez and Pedro Martinez, assuming Mike Pelfrey and Phil Humber will be in Minnesota, lohse is not a bad option as a fifth starter, though i hate the thought of locking him in for at least three years, which is what i believe 
it’ll take…however, if santana or Joe Blanton are not acquired, and pelfrey and humber are still on this team’s roster come opening day, i’d just as soon start them over lohse…
…that said, it could be fun to have lohse in queens if for no other reason than to regularly hear WFAN’s Chris Russo call him Kyle Lucy, as he insists on doing…
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Why does nobody realize that Pelfrey and Humber are not yet major league pitchers?
Yea they were highly touted 1st round picks. I get it. But they have no business being on the roster of a team with championship aspirations in 2008.
Sid Fynch anyone????? Snow boot and all
add Mulvey those two…I’ve seen so many posts that assign Mulvey as a starter next year, as if it’s a sure thing, and it strikes me as ridiculous.
You know what never gets talked about is that it took the Mets almost the full year long window to sign Pelfrey… they knew he was asking for “above slot” money, that’s why he even fell to us as far as he did.. so why did they wait a year to sign him??
Who here doesn’t wish Pelfrey had 6months to a year more experience under his belt?
If the Mets signed him when they should of.. he would.
I wonder if this offer to this very bad pitcher indicates the Mets are getting ready to unload their prospects for Santana.
4 years of this dreck? This is the best Omar can come up with. Why even bother.
Silva’s better than Lohse.
Ponder that for a moment.
Ugh…I think I prefer Silva to this guy.
silvas a better option for 4 years, and livan is a better option for 1-2 years. the phillies can have him. if omar is going to throw the towel in on santana and focus on the thin FA market you might as well start with silva hes the best guy out there.
Well, I suppose it would justify the insane ticket price increase.
Speaking of that, can we float that post? Maybe get some discussion going about that?
OK, I guess I’ll be the first one to say I wouldn’t mind this as an innings eating type solution. He has played in band-boxes his entire career (Minny, Cincy, Philly). Normalize his stats (save his craptacular 2006), and it’s not too bad. The fact that he pitched pretty well down the strech for Philly is + as well.
Omar?
the thought of giving kyle lohse four years literally makes me want to vomit…
I agree that Silva is better – and probably more expensive.
The only advantage to Lohse is that he creates a vacancy on the Phillies staff – and that Silva would not do well in that tiny ballpark…
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Havent been able to comment in two days. just needed to get that out.
My reaction is also a reflection of the possibility of acquiring Lohse. Can we please just have santana? yanks and sox arent that interested. No one else can pay him but us. Hand him over. Chop chop.
Jesus Chr*st it only gets worse with our incompetent GM.
He hasn’t even made the move yet and you’re bashing him.
I love how you rip on him without even having anything actually happening.
ONCE it happens IF it happens then rip away, but until then shut your pie hole
If the Mets had done a better job scouting, drafting and developing young pitchers under Omar’s watch then he wouldn’t need to make any moves this offseason.
Do you have any idea what you’re talking about???
The Dodgers have the best prospects in the Majors and just overpaid for an aging Japanese pitcher.
Counting on kids completely is a recipe for disaster
Dude what are you like Omar’s step son? The only stud pitching prospect they haven’t graduated yet is Kershaw..
The dodgers already have Penny, Lowe, and Schmidt coming back from Injury.. Billingsly won 12 games in 140 innings last year and looks like the real deal.. they added that guy as insurance to their staff..
If we had 4 guys the likes of Penny, Lowe, Schmidt with a 2nd year guy like Billingsly.. the story of the off season wouldn’t be the Mets and Johan.
While I agree Omar probably couldn’t of produced ML ready talent in 2-3 years hes been on the job.. he could of done a much better job drafting, and managing what assets he had then he’s done.. which would of made it easier to fill the holes in the rotation and bull pen.
I’m really just tired of the constant bashing over NOTHING
Exactly…he’s done nothing.
And that is where you are wrong. According to the report Omar has made an offer, not just talked to the agent. Indicating he is attempting to sign him as we speak/type. If the report said discussions were ongoing I would agree with you. However, apparently offers are already being exchanged. And I must say if Omar really does get Lohse instead of Silva I will begin a petition to get the man fired. Honestly, why would you get a guy who has a career record under .500, ERA of 4.82, has just managed to get near 200 innings twice in his career and is an injury risk? This just makes no sense to me. When he did pitch full seasons he gave up just under 30 HRs in all of them, how is that different than Silva? Who is younger, more durable and all evidence points toward him improving. Putting aside the fact that Silva is already better than Lohse. I have repeatedly pointed out that Silva is a groundball pitcher who would benefit from switching from artificial turf in Minnesota to real grass at somewhere like Shea. Add that to the switch from AL to NL and the fact that Shea and the soon coming Citifield are greater pitcher ballparks than out in Minnesota. Put it all together and logic says Silva will improve his numbers to an above average pitcher and still give you the innings consistently. Lohse gives you none of that, except the possibility of a shorter contract. And yet we may give him a 4 year deal? No, I cannot accept that, it is absolutely ridiculous.
What would youi rather do — hit off him or have to score runs for him? I say let Philly have him. I’d much rather see a full year of Pelf and Humber.
They all suck, honestly.
Lohse is G*RBAGE…the best ERA he will have will be right around 5?!!! Plus the guy strikes out like 5 batters per 9 innings. Minay- Don’t try to make up for your dormant, disappointing, horrific last 2 offseasons by throwing money at this piece of g*rbage you idi*t.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how is it that pitchers get paid to throw .500 or less ball? just get a bum off the streets to hurl it as fast as he can.
also, if johan comes to the mets, we can pretty much do whatever we want at #5. really makes no difference.
johan
pedro
maine
ollie
some guy who throws with his foot. all good in da L-Millz hood.
FIre Minaya
Jeff: Omar will you come into my office please
Omar: whats up Mr. Wilpon?
Jeff: I have heard a rumor going around that you have made contact with the agent for Kyle Lohse.
Even though this is just a rumor, and you are probobly only checking into every option, this is disconcerning to me. Because I have unrealistic aspirations for who is available, I have decided to fire you right in the middle of the hot-stove season. I undertand that you are still in negotiations with numerous other teams and agents, however, because the Tigers made a splash and the yankees retained all their Free agents I have decided to react with the patience of a 12 year old girl.
amen…
nicely
lol the Mets have been “looking” for starters since the 2005 offseason. there’s a new excuse every year – no guys available, too much money, we have young guys who can step in instead, the horribly overrated rick peterson can work his magic with some bum, etc. the final result is a rotation with major flaws that’s caused a disappointing end to two seasons in a row at a time where there was a great opportunity to win something.
nah, let’s get on the fans for complaining about it…
gbaked put the current tone of many overreacting fans in a funny and accurate post. And there’s truth in what you say as well. There’s complaining about it, and then there’s endless ranting about it when there are still two months to go till pichers and catchers. I guess I missed all of the ace pitchers who’ve been available for anything reasonable since 05, or the part of that says “all gm’s must deal with omar regardless of their own needs or concerns”.
I want to fire firemetmanagement
Yes, fire him. Fire Bernazard. Fire everyone associated with him. Fire his desk. Fire his dog if he has one. This is just s-t-u-p-i-d.
OMG FIRE MINAYA PLEASE.
AND WILLIE TOO PLEASE
CERRONE EASE UP ON CENSORING COMMENTS.
I actually feel the opposite.
Matt, please censor comments that have nothing to do with the conversation. They just make the board way too long and no fun to look though.
you dont have to be as tough as some other sport boards that only let the really funny stuff though, but I have no problem not seeing FIRE OMAR 100 times a day.
ps: I realize this has nothing to do with the conversation, and if it makes an impact go ahead and take it away.
Hear, hear. I realize I’m adding to the clutter, too, but I consider it an investment. You’d think the thrill of seeing “FIRE OMAR” posted on a blog under a cookie cutter username would wear off the fiftieth time, or so, but apparently not.
IN OMAR WE TRUST – FOR A THIRD PLACE FINISH!
I wish Wilpon could be fired.
It’s his team. Maybe he should fire you from being a fan?
He should be paying me to be a fan.
I’ll pay you to stop being a fan
This off season is turning into the end of the regular season, a complete joke.
actually, it is starting to feel like last season around june. you feel something is wrong, but can’t help but think it’s too early to worry too much. then, you proceed to watch (in slow motion) the nastiest wreck imaginable.
but, we have to wait and see how it goes. omar pulls off one good trade and every things right again.
come on omar.
scary accurate
Hearing this disgusts me. It almost seems as if the incompetent management/ownership/marketing people associated w/ the Mets want to throw 30-35 million at some g*rbage starter just so they can justify the 20% increase in ticket prices…then they can say “See, see! We finally spent a few dollars…now you people can’t complain about ticket price increases!” So what are they going to do, feature KYLE LOHSE on their pocket schedules and dub him their “big, shiny” acquisition for the year?!!! No, you id*ots- we aren’t that stupid. Any Mets fan worth his salt would rather they just put Pelfrey in the rotation (making $300,000) instead of stup*dly giving some also ran 5th starter type (Lohse) 30-35 million..and for 4 years?!! This better not be true or, well, let’s just say you have yet to see any real venom from me.
If the Mets can’t put together a package for a BIG starter (and Joe Blanton does not qualify…only Bedard/Santana qualify)…then they’d be better served standing pat and letting the kids like Pelfrey and Humber and Mulvey get a shot.
Such incompetence- what a mickey mouse franchise.
Or, maaaaaybe they want an experienced Major League starter at the back end of the rotation for, in pitchers’ contract terms, (what had better be) a reasonable rate. It’s all about what it takes to get him. I wouldn’t give him four years, but three at a manageable salary? Sure — why not. The 4.63 ERA ain’t great, but he pitched well down the stretch and pitched in two awful ballparks.
Please note that Pelfrey and Humber are absolutely anything but a foregone conclusion as productive back end starters this year (or any year). But, yes, if there is an ace on the way, as Matt points out, we may need depth.
“I wouldn’t give him four years, but three at a manageable salary? Sure — why not.”
Why not? I can think of a few reasons…
- a career BAA of nearly .300 (.284)
- a career ERA of nearly 5.00 (4.84)
- a career WHIP of nearly 1.50 (1.43)
- 1302 hits allowed in only 1164 career IP
The guy sucks. ONE year would be too many, but with our current lack of pitching I could possibly at least understand considering it…but FOUR?!?!?!?
Um, err. . . Well, those numbers are pretty . . . ugly. But, he’s pitching in the Homer Dome. . . . I dunno. I guess three years, really low salary, to be a back-end starter and suck up some innings? Eh, I could do it – but only if his total contract is the cheapest among him, Hernandez, and Silva.
Really, though, you make a good case. I do think Pelfrey could probably give us an ERA below 5.00.
gotta say i agree with you. throwing money at this guy is a total mistake. theres no way you can justify giving him say a 30-40 million contract (the going rate for sub par pitchers). santana is out there and will demand alot of money but hes worth every cent as long as he doesnt get hurt. lohse isnt worth a dime of a 10 million/year salary. he will arguably make 1/2 of what santana makes and santana is about 10X better of a pitcher than he is. im starting to taste the vomit in my throat.
+10
Actually, Pelfrey stinks. His offspeed stuff is garbage, you can pick up his changeup from the upper deck. I’d rather have a major league pitcher in the rotation, thanks.
lohse hasnt had a winning season since 2003. and theyre going to sign him for 4 years? wow cant wait to see how much they give him per season. gotta be at least $25million right?
Yes fire Wilie too obviously- but frankly I’ve been saying that for almost 3 years- ever since the first game he managed (@ Cincinnati) in 2005 when he “forgot” to double switch.
And frankly he still hasn’t figured out what a double switch is, or when to use it.
hahaha
i’ve been saying that too. willie didn’t “forget,” he didn’t know how to do a double switch.
C’mon guys, let’s not overeact, we are talking about a 5th starter here. So whether it’s Lohse, Silva or Livan, no one shoud be expecting them to light the world on fire. He’ll be there to (hopefully) competently pitch innings. I guess I would rank Lohse third out of those three, but as a poster above pointed out, he hasn’t exactly pitched in “pitcher friendly” parks during his career. I figure, we have to get one of these types of guys — especially because I expect Pelfrey and/or Humber will go in a deal for a frontline guy. As Matt said, if we have Santana at the top of our rotation, it’s not the end of the world if Lohse is at the bottom of it.
thats totally true our 5th spot can be anyone WITH santana but if they throw 10/year at lohse do you really think the wilpons will give up another 20+ for santana? not to mention the raise wright and reyes get, on top of schneiders salary being higher than loducas. have the mets ever ADDED 30+ million to the payroll in one offseason?
Well, the year they brought in Pedro and Beltran, they spent quite a bit of money. And they were even willing to spend more, since they actually offered Delgado more money then the Marlins did. Had they signed all three, it would have been well over 30 mil.
I think they’ll spend the money when it warrants. They need a backend starter, so it’s going to have to be somebody — especially if one of the kid pitchers goes in a deal. And with the fact that they might have the chance to acqure the best pitcher in the game, I’m confident the’ll spend what needs to be spent.
yea but they also had alot of money coming off the books. im saying when has the payroll gone up 30 millions dollars in one offseason.
no offense magooley but are you sure about this statement?
“I’m confident the’ll spend what needs to be spent.”
arod, vlad, manny in a trade, wilpon didnt want to resign piazza, zito (im happy they didnt but it is an example).
Zeile,
I typed a really well-thought out response to your concens (:-)) but for some reason, it didn’t post and I really don’t have the time to do it again since I’m at work.
Cliff Note version:
I’m relatively confident money will not be the deciding factor in signing Santana. He’s in his prime, doesn’t bring baggage and is at the top of his position.
Everyone of the guys you listed (except Piazza, who they did resign, whether Wilpon had to be “talked” into it or not) came with a question mark or in Zito’s case, the price became clearly out of line with what every other team not named the Giants envisioned for him.
The Mets have shown plenty of times that they’ll pay for top talent — Beltran, Pedro, Wagner, even Delgado, who they offered the most money to and even guys like Bonilla and Apeir, while didn’t turn out to be good investments, they at least were examples of the Mets willing to pay market value for a perceived need.
They’ll spend to a certain degree to turn the franchise around. Then once it has made the turn, they put a freeze on the spending.
That’s a pretty transparent arguement. Either they spend money or they don’t. Don’t get caught up with what the Yankees do. They live on a different planet.
There are 30 teams in MLB the Mets outspend or spend on par, with 28 of them.
its hard to say dont look at the yankees as an example when the team right behind them in spending just won the WS in dominant fashion. i also think there is something to what points guy said.
But the Sox aren’t just “right behind them”. They’re like 50-70 million (depending on who you believe — either way, it’s a LOT) behind.
That’s insane and just because they do it does not mean we, or anyone else, should.
Look, the Mets are a business and every business has a budget. Of course they are going to stop spending for a time at some point, but they are spending as compared to the other 28 teams.
Spending just “to spend” is unwise. Ask my wife…
actually if you add the 51 million they bidded for dice k to their 143 payroll they are at 194 compared to the yankees 195, so yea theyre right behind them.
Our 5th starters killed us last year.
This guy is no improvement.
PS- Hey Matt, the censor needs to be taken down a peg or 10…
Cerrone you clown- why do you sensor the word “Lat*no?” THat is bush league- you should be ashamed of yourself and that knocks you down a bunch of pegs in my book. Grow up.
Why do you use the word?
Lohse must be 1/4 or 1/8 L*tino or something
(Cerrone id*otically sensored the word “lat*no”)
Again, grow up Matt.
Go away.
I second that
Matt doesn’t censor anything he has repeatedly said that the site does it not him.
How ’bout we just censor anything said by “firemetmanagement”
I bet we’ll give Lohse 4 years but then Colon and Livan and Silva will all turn around and sign 1 year deals for other teams- making the Mets look REALLY St*pid and showing Minaya is incompetent in terms of gauging players’ market values.
Examples-
Giving Castillo a 4 year deal (so st*pid) when all Eckstein got was a 1 year deal! The way they justified giving Castillo such a long contract was telling us that Eckstein wanted 4 years and more money per year. Now they have egg on their face and look dumb.
Also, they way they told us that LoDuca was going to sign for 4 years…and he get a ONE YEAR DEAL.
Minaya is incompetent. He’ll have more egg on his face when he gives a piece of cr*p like Lohse a 4 year deal and other similar (cr*p) pitchers get 1 year deals.
Fire him and Willie now.
Mets and Minaya straight up lied about the Eckstein offer.
That’s not true. I read in seveal places the the little sparkplug was looking for multiple years. What happened to him was, the market dried up — especially with the Mets no longer interestd because of Castillo.
Exactly. If he had been willing to settle for a one year deal when he started negotiating with teams, do you think the Cardinals would have decided to let him go and sign Cesar Izturis instead? He told everyone at the outset that he wanted three or four years, then just couldn’t get it once his original suitors (including the Mets) didn’t want him at that price, went in other directions, and the demand was gone.
“I read in several places”
You mean like the possibility of signing Lohse?
Look, the his deal went from Eckstein demanding 4 years 8-9mil to 1 yr 4mil. That drastic a change, I refuse to believe reports that Omar offered him 4 for 32.
Not buying it.
Yes, I agree, that is a drastic change — and sometimes that happens to a player. They over value their place on the market. Same thing happened to LoDuca this year…happenedto Millwood a few years back.
Look, I wasn’t in the room and neither were you, so no one really knows what was or wasn’t offered. But I did read and hear from guys covering the winter meetings the little Scrappy Do was looking for multiple years at about 8mil per. We talked about it on here for several days. Just my opinion, but I don’t think Omar gets that offer from Ecky at the time. He choose to go with Castillo who played well while he was here. Did we overpay? Probably yes, by a year. But we can’ afford it. He’s not making so much money that it should hamper anything we do in the future.
You want to see it as some Omar-generated misinformation, that’s your choice. I don’t see it that way.
I do see it that way.
But, however which way you look at it, Omar made a very poor choice and overestimated Castillo’s value. There is no denying that.
Well, you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. I don’t think Omar made a poor choice in bringing back Castillo. I think he was the right guy out of those available. I would have preferred him for three years, and perhaps Omar did overestimate his value by a year. But I think he wanted to get certain spots filled quickly so he could devote time to other areas of need like the rotation and bullpen, which he knew would take time to fill.
Either way, I don’t see it as a big deal. The money Castillo is making is not going to cripple us and a position of need was filled.
Well in all honesty I believe the right decision would have been acquiring Orlando Hudson. As he is much younger, a better bat, CURRENTLY a gold glover and faster. But hey, what do I know?
Make me – or start your own blog.
This is rich — you’re telling me to start my own blog when you’re monopolizing another blog’s comments section with your repetitive, moronic diatribes that contribute absolutely nothing of substance to any discussion of anything? Go call a late night sports talk show.
Dude, did Omar Minaya steal your girlfriend or something? Get a life…
Am I the only one that hates this Santana nonsense?
I can’t stand everybody basically just throwing Santana in our rotation. First, he is not on our roster. Second, Lincecum, Bedard, or Caine are the ones that make sense.
The likelihood of getting Lincecum, Bedard, or Caine is the same as Johan. With that being said, Johan is far superior to any of those pitchers.
how do you figure? bedard is the same age as santana has never thrown 200 innings in his career and will require the same price in prospects. on top of having only one breakout year and no where near the track record of success. lincecaum isnt going anywhere, and for the same reasons i doubt cain is either. id rather have cain or lincecaum but theyre just not realistic options.
I wholeheartedly concur. Santana is the best pitcher in MLB right now, end of story. Bedard has had one good year and would cost just as much or possibly more than Santana. Considering the fact that we may not even have enough to get Santana why exactly would we go for Bedard? Plus, the Giants aren’t trading those two pitchers and the Twins are trading Santana. I am aware I just repeated everything Zeile said but I think you really need that beaten into your skull.
Toomanyuniforms,
Please tell me if anything I’ve said is (a) inaccurate or (b) something that intelligent Mets fans wouldn’t agree with.
I’m waiting…tell me what I said that you disagree with? Anyone else is also welcomed to let us know what I said that is so inaccurate here.
Precisely — you keep saying the same things, over and over and over, in ever thread, and your comments make up about 20% of the output. You are stating opinions, so it’s not a question of accuracy.
ANYWAY, post all ya want. It’s Matt’s blog. Go nuts.
He has.
Lets face it. FIREMETSMANAGEMENT is the best part of this blog. The Mets are not doing anything. Everyday its one stupid rumor after another that never seems to come true. While there is no real news, whats better than reading everyone argue with FIREMETSMANAGEMENT all day long.
Also, if the Mets DO get Santana, I would love to see his posts.
oh man you have a point id love to see what he says if the mets get him no matter what it is i bet its a gem.
Simple, firemetsmanagement would say, it’s about time. Now they can have my money for some of these ridiculously priced tickets.
I’d hazard a guess that it’s your tone that everyone finds repulsive.
Lohse? Are you serious? Is Jason Marquis still available?
Seriously, Marquis is starting to look real good right now.
I don’t see too many “positive” remarks in this thread- and rightfully so.
its not about being positive or negative.
its about being a positive addition to the conversation at hand. And that can include your positive or negative opinion.
By my count (as of this writing) you have already posted 11 times in this thread… yet, at best 3 of these are about lohse, and they all consist of basically the same info. With that, you seem to refuse to use the reply to this comment part, and continue something later on in the thread.
We know you don’t like omar and willie, thats fine… a lot of met fans don’t. And if someone points something willie does out that is silly and you stating your opinion that he should be fired makes sense, then by all means say it… but just saying it to say it is irritating.
Its just annoying. Its not life threating, and it isnt ruining my day… it just makes it less enjoyable to discuss the mets on metsblog.
well put
Typical firemetsmanagement post:
1 Freddie Coupons reference
1 Mickey Mouse franchise reference
1 rant about raising ticket prices
1 rant about Omar looking out for his homeys
1 rant about the mets being too cheap to get Guerrero 3 years ago.
1 rant about the mets being too cheap to spend money like the sox or yanks.
0 Intelligence.
Let me know if I left anything out…
I think you got all of it. He repeats b/c he cares. The rest of you lemmings would blindly skin your ba11s for coupon
are you realted to firemetmanagement???
that is “RELATED”
nah, not related. he does get annoying and reminds me of jerome from the bronx in a sense (the repetitive part, not the entitlement part)
but, look, he’s right. he’s been going on and on about the mets payroll. and he’s right!!! how in the world is the mets payroll less than 50% of the yankees?
until proven otherwise, i’m going to believe that coupon put up the stop sign on the johan deal b/c he doesn’t want to sign him. he’s done it in the past with these pre-emptive strikes.
he’s not right, you just happen to share the same opinions as him. And a good chunk of the Yanks payroll is tied up in guys who don’t even play for them! Spend blindly and see what sticks to the wall isn’t much of a business plan.
fair enough the yankees have managed payroll horribly. on the other hand theyve made the playoffs the past 12 years in a row. correct me if im wrong but thats more PO appearances than the mets have ever had?….also on the topic of payroll the red sox had 26 million dollars on us in payroll (thats not counting the 51 they bid on dice-k, so in a sense they had 77+ on us in payroll for the 07 year) and they just won the WS in dominant fashion. obviously $$ doesnt = winning, but it certainly helps.
as for wilpon, im with points guy, i think omar said he didnt want to give up fmart and gomez to cover his boss’s rear end bc wilpon didnt want to cough up the dough.
htwz, I agree that spending $$ helps; I just think that the team has spent and is willing to spend, but not blindly and stupidly. And much of Boston’s success has been the kids, not JD Drew (for example). But the Mets just seem to suck at drafting/developing pitching, and have for years. That’s what frustrates me most about this orginization.
Cyclone you did leave one part out…
Knowing that it will happen in every post- priceless.
the thing is youre right blind spending is bad but niether me nor alot of other posters want that. blind spending would be signing lohse or giving livan 3 years. trading for santana isnt blind, hes arguably the best pitcher in baseball. (just an example) signing a guy like arod isnt blind, again arguably the best hitter in baseball. moves like that arent blind. those are the types of moves successful big market teams (see: red sox) would make in this situation. i guarantee if the red sox had an 07 like us santana wouldve already been introduced at a boston press conference.
So all of you are getting worked up over a report from “YAHOO SPORTS” reporter??????????? Hmmmm that sounds creditable to me!!!
So if he can do it so can I…..hmmm let me think…….hmmmmm
ohh I have it lets start this rumor:
Mets put Delgado in with a package of prospects for Santana
I would put delgado in a package for anyone and let Mr. Met play first base.
Awesome!
JPC i think youre over valuing delgado. youre implying we could actually get a human being in return for him.
walk year. these guys suddenly never get hurt, have eagle eye vision and put up monster numbers.
that is IF delgado wants to continue playing after this year.
i think alot of people are forgetting he broke his hand (i believe it was the left one) in the last game of the year when willis hit him. so that means more rehabilitation for his hands/wrists.
I’m not a big fan of Lohse either, but we do still need another established starter on this team, whether we get Santana or not. If we do get Santana, and assuming that it takes at least two if not all three of Pelfrey, Humber and Mulvey, we would have Santana, Maine, and Ollie as full year starters and two part-season starters in Pedro and El Duque- plus one of the trio of prospects as another part-season starter if we still have one. That’s 4+ rotation spots worth of starts and innings if everyone stays as healthy as can be expected all year. We need to be starting the year with at least six rotation spots worth of starts or we’re pretty much guaranteeing another Lawrence/Lima situation for a fair number of starts. If we don’t trade for Santana, we’re in a similar situation with Maine and Ollie as our only full-year starters and Pedro, El Duque, and our three young guys adding up to about 3-4 more rotation spots worth of starts- we would still need another established starter to avoid disaster once someone goes down or doesn’t pan out.
Does that mean that we need Lohse? Certainly not- we could also sign Silva, Livan, etc., but there are advantages and disadvantages to each and we need one of them, so if Lohse ends up being substantially cheaper than the others, it seems just as good a shot as the others. And whoever it is will be a huge upgrade over Lawrence….
this really does not make any sense
Lohse over the past 3 years:
Away Record 10-25 ERA 5.06
Home Record 13-10 ERA 4.44
Remember when our fifth starter was Sosa/Pelfrey/Lawrence/Park/Vargas/Humber/Williams and we still finished one game out?
Met Hot Stove on SNY tonight. I think Seinfeld can sue for Copyright infiringement, a show about NOTHING!
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WFAN’s Chris Russo call him Kyle Lucy
I’d love to see him say that to his face. ala Jim Rome/Chris Everett
Oh God we’ve sunk to considering Philly cast-offs now :-o
Well, we already took the National’s cast offs :(
25% of the worst offense in baseball.
What is Omar doing right this minute? Drinking?
drinkin the coupon cool aid
You know what I’m saying, we, Rick and Willie think this Lohse kid has some upside, gonna get some quality innings out of him. We needed to act quickly ’cause there was alot of interest, so yeah, we went to a 7th year at 10M per for him. Kinda like castillo, ya know what I’m saying?
Juuu know what I’m sayin, esse?
more like the mets COLD Stove report
i dont think omar paid the gas bill.
coupon won’t give him the money.
and when did Lohse become an “established starter” ?
as soon as he got more than 5 wins in any season.
“Established starter” doesn’t mean that someone is particularly good at it, it just means that they’ve consistently been in starting rotations, and since Lohse has started 30 or more games in five of his six full seasons, he’s actually more “established” than most of our staff as it stands now. Those certainly haven’t been five great (or, for the most part, even really mediocre) seasons, but his arm is in shape to do it all year, which, again, is more than most of our current staff is capable of.
I actually find it sort of comforting that we’re in a position for the fan base to get this worked up about whether to sign Lohse or Silva or another similar starter for the bottom of the rotation when the Phillies are considering Ponson and the Braves are praying for a healthy Mike Hampton for the bottoms of theirs…
But we’re praying for a healthy Pedro for the top of ours…
guys stfu you are all so annoying…let omar do his job…if he really can’t get santana or bedard, we still need to add a starter, whether its lohse, or silva, or whomever, we need one more starter…even if we do get santana, i wouldnt mind having lohse, he throws innings, was clutch last year, always had good stuff with minnesota, just got injured a lot…i agree 4 years is a lot, but its not that bad a signing if it happens, with or without santana
Oops. Didn’t realize I was standing in the way of Omar getting a real pitcher. What was I thinking?
let omar do his job
What’s stopping him? We’ve been waiting 2 years for him to do his job…
Ummm, guys, stop it. the more we cry about this Lohse, the less likely Omar’s going to act on it. Let’s just keep these boards quiet so Omar can sleep, err do his job.
Jeesh, I didn’t know we had so much power. And with such great power, comes great responsibility.
the wilpons are spending their 20% increase in ticket prices money. unbelievable. fill those pockets freddie. more toys for his son paris to pay with
That is great! And I guess the means Paris Wilpon’s best friend is Hank Richie.
I love how the same people whine that something’s just a rumor. Then they whine when you complain about a completed transaction as something that’s done with. So what do you want to discuss then?
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Check out the new Mets ‘Holiday Specials’ with $5 Upper Deck seats…
And my personal favorite, the ‘Team to Beat’ Pack…
“team to beat” pack. are the mets mocking themselves now? this has been a tough off-season.
that being said the division is up in the air next year btw the mets, braves, and phils. anyone can win. santana can sway that. so can lohse (going the wrong way)
$5 seats? Cheapest I see is $10 a seat. $5 a seat was last offseason, when, incidentally, I had hope for this team.
Check the individual game tickets… There sure as hell are a few $5 UR seat games…
I will sign the following pitchers at vet. minimum or 1 year ‘make-good’ deals instead of Lohse to be the 5 starter:
Kris Benson
Odalis Perez
David Wells
Shawn Chacon
Jeff Weaver
all would make $9M less than Lohse, and be the same mediocre pitcher with a good offense, strong defense, and spacious OF.
Benson coming off shoulder surgery.
Odalis Perez hasn’t been a sub 6.00 era pitcher in 3 years.
Boomer was terrible last year.
I think Chacon would be good in the long relief roll. But I wouldn’t touch Weaver with a 10 foot clown pole.
I think Benson and Wells are the only two here that you would even have a chance at offering the vet minimum, and they’re both huge risks to be hurt, be absolutely awful, or otherwise unable to stick in the rotation.
the point is, I’d rather pay $1M for 1 year for a garbage pitcher, instead of $40M for 4 years of a garbage pitcher. the guy had a 7.07 era 2 years ago and now he’s asking for $40M. What is wrong with MLB?
+10.
What a bunch of stiffs. Let the Phillies have them.
Actually, if those are your options, just run Jorge Sosa out there instead.
This kind of post (the options presented I mean) are good reasons to hang on to young pitching talent as long as possible. You can’t just throw propects pitchers as “throw ins” to a deal like they wer M&Ms
this offseason makes our regualr season look good
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Omar might be up2 something here?? Acquire Lohse…the trade Maine, Pelfrey, Gomez, and 1 or 2 very low level prospects…for Santana…..I love Maine, but if he was replaced w/Lohse and Santana I could live w/it.
hes not trading john maine…didn you hear omar, maine and perez are seaver and koosman part II.
hahaha
Lohse is pretty much grasping at straws. Also know as taking whatever crap is still available, just to say you have someone.
Although he is still reasonably young, seems to be healthy, and supposedly has decent “stuff”. Maybe some time with Peterson wil trun him into a serviceable 5th guy?
I would rather take a chance and put the money toward Prior, and use whatever stiff is lying around until he gets back (Vargas, Pelf/Humber/Mulvey, whatever). Probably more upside with that plan.
If they were able to get Santana, and Pelfrey or Humber was still around, I would just pass on Lohse and let them have the spot, although you would be very thin (no SP depth).
Adding him to the current rotatin (same could be said for Silva) would mean Pedro, Maine, Perez, Duque, Lohse. Not too bad, and you still have the PHM trio to step in for the inevitable injury to one of the old guys.
Pelf could then work in AAA or the pen to improve his stuff and control, and be the first guy coming in to fill a rotation hole.
4 years for Lohse though would be nuts. 2 years best, 3 maybe if ht e$ aren’t to bad, but 4 years in nuts.
I just have one second here….Maybe the Mets will break the news that they traded for Santana tonight on Mets Hot Stove…….OK I have to get back to my unicorn to take me to my meeting with a leprechaun. Let me know what happens……
PLUS 10
OK, here is a quick SAT-like association question for everyone. I am in a bad mood today–I root for Mets, Giants, Knicks, Rangers. Any connection?
No chance of any successful postseason to look forward to?
the owners have either died or given way to their incompetent children who run the organizations into the ground?
I guess there has to be a D) all of the above answer!
I like choice S)keep all sharp objects away from Achilles400
Getting this guy would lock 3rd place up for us!
MAKE IT HAPPEN OMAR WOOOOHOO
Well, he helped carry the Phillies down the stretch, and that seemed to work out OK for them.
The fact that the Phils managed to finish strong and take the division with a rotation of hamels, Kendrick, Eaton, Moyer and Lohse proves that you don’t really need SP to win in this league! A high scoring offense and strong BP can do the job too.
Carried the Phillies with a Sept. era of 5.10? He’s a perfect fit for the Met team that collapsed in September.
i agree, so we essentially have 0 of the 3 things you need. strong pitching? old injured ? pedro, inconsistent maine and OP, old injured el duque, and 5th starter. high powered offense? delgado, no alou for 60+ games, brian schneider, luis castillo, ryan church vs lefties. Good bullpen? pray to whatever god you pray to for the health of juan padilla and duaner sanchez.
The fact that the Phils managed to finish strong and take the division with a rotation of hamels, Kendrick, Eaton, Moyer and Lohse proves that you don’t really need SP to win in this league! A high scoring offense and strong BP can do the job too.
The Phils have pretty decent SP.
Hamels (true ace)
Myers (good #2)
Moyer (solid)
Kendrick (also solid actually)
Also…..we don’t have a strong pen, and our offense is terribly overrated
Ok, we’ll sign Lohse and hope for a monumental collapse by everyone ahead of us.
sorry…. omar has had a terrible off-season, all you apologist keep saying ” its only november, its only december.” the gm and winter meeting have come and gone, and nothing. from suspect trades, to not bolstering a mediocre bullpen, to bragging and living off of john maine and oliver perez. he’s gotten at best a D-, and i maybe being too kind about.
“bragging and living off of john maine and oliver perez”
one of three possibilities
1) They’re going to trade either one or both
2) They like the rotation as is
3) They’re feigning rotation satisfaction to give up less in a trade
which is it?
I go for choice #2
How about choice #4 — those guys are pretty good!
I’m not saying they’re aces, but they are pretty good pitchers in their own right who are modestly prices, and I believe a lot of clubs would like to have them right now.
that would be choice #2
yeah, I guess it would! :-)
How about choice # 5- They’re feigning rotation satisfaction to keep the fans off their backs when they fail to upgrade…
Are you saying you aren’t happy with Maine and Perez?
Because I don’t see anything wrong with talking up two young, improving, inexepensive pitchers. Whether or not they upgrade (and I certainly agree they should) doesn’t change the fact that they should be proud of these two guys.
Are you saying you aren’t happy with Maine and Perez?
Because I don’t see anything wrong with talking up two young, improving, inexepensive pitchers. Whether or not they upgrade (and I certainly agree they should) doesn’t change the fact that they should be proud of these two guys
I’m not “proud” of any Mets, not after last season’s collapse. Sorry.
while they’re throwing away money on lohse, at least offer a one-year deal to akinori otsuka who will be under their control for 2009 too.
he was hurt last year, but is already throwing (was throwing in sept too). he’s worth a risk for a bullpen that needs help.
i’d also trade for nathan. he’s on the block. if you cn’t fix the rotation. create a lights-out bullpen
send reyes et al. and bring back nathan and santana
let’s finagle morneau away from them too.
Gomez/Martinez, Heilman, Pelfrey and Mulvey beat any other team’s offers…
I’d throw in Humber too.
id do that and if they want martinez that badly they pull mulvey or pelfrey out. heilman gomez martinez mulvey/pelfrey for santana. humber has the least value we keep him in AAA, and if we keep mulvey we put him in AAA or AA, and if we keep pelfrey we let him compete for a job on the staff (rotation or bullpen).
I doubt Santana is coming our way. I would hope they do something with Prior so when Hernandez breaks down again we have someone to put in there.