Comments on: Buzz: Mets and Phils make offer to Lohse http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:24:59 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Trumpzilla http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67697 Trumpzilla Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:09:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67697 <b>Are you saying you aren’t happy with Maine and Perez? Because I don’t see anything wrong with talking up two young, improving, inexepensive pitchers. Whether or not they upgrade (and I certainly agree they should) doesn’t change the fact that they should be proud of these two guys</b> I'm not "proud" of any Mets, not after last season's collapse. Sorry. Are you saying you aren’t happy with Maine and Perez?

Because I don’t see anything wrong with talking up two young, improving, inexepensive pitchers. Whether or not they upgrade (and I certainly agree they should) doesn’t change the fact that they should be proud of these two guys

I’m not “proud” of any Mets, not after last season’s collapse. Sorry.

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67694 Hit The Weights Zeile Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:06:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67694 id do that and if they want martinez that badly they pull mulvey or pelfrey out. heilman gomez martinez mulvey/pelfrey for santana. humber has the least value we keep him in AAA, and if we keep mulvey we put him in AAA or AA, and if we keep pelfrey we let him compete for a job on the staff (rotation or bullpen). id do that and if they want martinez that badly they pull mulvey or pelfrey out. heilman gomez martinez mulvey/pelfrey for santana. humber has the least value we keep him in AAA, and if we keep mulvey we put him in AAA or AA, and if we keep pelfrey we let him compete for a job on the staff (rotation or bullpen).

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67689 Hit The Weights Zeile Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:00:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67689 the thing is youre right blind spending is bad but niether me nor alot of other posters want that. blind spending would be signing lohse or giving livan 3 years. trading for santana isnt blind, hes arguably the best pitcher in baseball. (just an example) signing a guy like arod isnt blind, again arguably the best hitter in baseball. moves like that arent blind. those are the types of moves successful big market teams (see: red sox) would make in this situation. i guarantee if the red sox had an 07 like us santana wouldve already been introduced at a boston press conference. the thing is youre right blind spending is bad but niether me nor alot of other posters want that. blind spending would be signing lohse or giving livan 3 years. trading for santana isnt blind, hes arguably the best pitcher in baseball. (just an example) signing a guy like arod isnt blind, again arguably the best hitter in baseball. moves like that arent blind. those are the types of moves successful big market teams (see: red sox) would make in this situation. i guarantee if the red sox had an 07 like us santana wouldve already been introduced at a boston press conference.

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67664 Hit The Weights Zeile Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:42:37 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67664 actually if you add the 51 million they bidded for dice k to their 143 payroll they are at 194 compared to the yankees 195, so yea theyre right behind them. actually if you add the 51 million they bidded for dice k to their 143 payroll they are at 194 compared to the yankees 195, so yea theyre right behind them.

]]> By: juunit http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67661 juunit Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:37:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67661 Cyclone you did leave one part out... Knowing that it will happen in every post- priceless. Cyclone you did leave one part out…

Knowing that it will happen in every post- priceless.

]]> By: Big Lou http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67660 Big Lou Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:35:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67660 I doubt Santana is coming our way. I would hope they do something with Prior so when Hernandez breaks down again we have someone to put in there. I doubt Santana is coming our way. I would hope they do something with Prior so when Hernandez breaks down again we have someone to put in there.

]]> By: juunit http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67657 juunit Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:34:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67657 I wholeheartedly concur. Santana is the best pitcher in MLB right now, end of story. Bedard has had one good year and would cost just as much or possibly more than Santana. Considering the fact that we may not even have enough to get Santana why exactly would we go for Bedard? Plus, the Giants aren't trading those two pitchers and the Twins are trading Santana. I am aware I just repeated everything Zeile said but I think you really need that beaten into your skull. I wholeheartedly concur. Santana is the best pitcher in MLB right now, end of story. Bedard has had one good year and would cost just as much or possibly more than Santana. Considering the fact that we may not even have enough to get Santana why exactly would we go for Bedard? Plus, the Giants aren’t trading those two pitchers and the Twins are trading Santana. I am aware I just repeated everything Zeile said but I think you really need that beaten into your skull.

]]> By: juunit http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67650 juunit Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:32:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67650 Well in all honesty I believe the right decision would have been acquiring Orlando Hudson. As he is much younger, a better bat, CURRENTLY a gold glover and faster. But hey, what do I know? Well in all honesty I believe the right decision would have been acquiring Orlando Hudson. As he is much younger, a better bat, CURRENTLY a gold glover and faster. But hey, what do I know?

]]> By: juunit http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67630 juunit Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:19:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67630 And that is where you are wrong. According to the report Omar has made an offer, not just talked to the agent. Indicating he is attempting to sign him as we speak/type. If the report said discussions were ongoing I would agree with you. However, apparently offers are already being exchanged. And I must say if Omar really does get Lohse instead of Silva I will begin a petition to get the man fired. Honestly, why would you get a guy who has a career record under .500, ERA of 4.82, has just managed to get near 200 innings twice in his career and is an injury risk? This just makes no sense to me. When he did pitch full seasons he gave up just under 30 HRs in all of them, how is that different than Silva? Who is younger, more durable and all evidence points toward him improving. Putting aside the fact that Silva is already better than Lohse. I have repeatedly pointed out that Silva is a groundball pitcher who would benefit from switching from artificial turf in Minnesota to real grass at somewhere like Shea. Add that to the switch from AL to NL and the fact that Shea and the soon coming Citifield are greater pitcher ballparks than out in Minnesota. Put it all together and logic says Silva will improve his numbers to an above average pitcher and still give you the innings consistently. Lohse gives you none of that, except the possibility of a shorter contract. And yet we may give him a 4 year deal? No, I cannot accept that, it is absolutely ridiculous. And that is where you are wrong. According to the report Omar has made an offer, not just talked to the agent. Indicating he is attempting to sign him as we speak/type. If the report said discussions were ongoing I would agree with you. However, apparently offers are already being exchanged. And I must say if Omar really does get Lohse instead of Silva I will begin a petition to get the man fired. Honestly, why would you get a guy who has a career record under .500, ERA of 4.82, has just managed to get near 200 innings twice in his career and is an injury risk? This just makes no sense to me. When he did pitch full seasons he gave up just under 30 HRs in all of them, how is that different than Silva? Who is younger, more durable and all evidence points toward him improving. Putting aside the fact that Silva is already better than Lohse. I have repeatedly pointed out that Silva is a groundball pitcher who would benefit from switching from artificial turf in Minnesota to real grass at somewhere like Shea. Add that to the switch from AL to NL and the fact that Shea and the soon coming Citifield are greater pitcher ballparks than out in Minnesota. Put it all together and logic says Silva will improve his numbers to an above average pitcher and still give you the innings consistently. Lohse gives you none of that, except the possibility of a shorter contract. And yet we may give him a 4 year deal? No, I cannot accept that, it is absolutely ridiculous.

]]> By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67608 TilMetsDoUsPart Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:04:27 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/17/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse/#comment-67608 Gomez/Martinez, Heilman, Pelfrey and Mulvey beat any other team's offers... I'd throw in Humber too. Gomez/Martinez, Heilman, Pelfrey and Mulvey beat any other team’s offers…

I’d throw in Humber too.

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