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SNY is asking, “Would it bother if you if the Mets choose to pursue a player named in the Mitchell Report?”
To vote, click here and scroll down.
…you mean like Scott Schoeneweis, Guillermo Mota or Paul Lo Duca…and a whole bunch of other guys we’ll probably never know about…
…anyway, i have been asked all sorts of questions during the last few days on this subject, whether from my family, to colleagues, to fans, to whomever…still, even after the Mitchell Report, i’m finding it hard to form any sort of opinion on this topic, let alone actually care about it…i don’t know, maybe i am just fatigued by it…but, at this point, as sad as it may be, i’ve come to look at it as though the era is what it is, and i’ll never know the real truth, and to view one player as bad while another is good, when i don’t know the truth, is just unfair all around…so, i give up…people cheated…surprise, surprise…don’t do it again, now let’s move on…
…as for the Hall of Fame, and who should or should not be in it, frankly, the place is overrated and overcrowded at this point anyway, so i don’t really care much about that either…
…in short, i just want to see the Mets win a World Series…i’m not too concerned with what happened in the 90s…again, clean it up, don’t do it again, and let’s play ball, already…
…Update…4:10 pm…
…i just re-read this post…apparently, i’m a bit cranky today…sorry…i think i’m just getting a bit antsy, and eager to watch a real baseball game…of course, it’s not yet New Years, so…ugh…
I’d literally kill Omar if he signed anyone on that list, except for Brian Roberts, who there is just about no evidence on.
I’d rather go 0-162.
NFW
Hypothetical, but what if Johan had been on the list? I would still want the Mets to get him, but not to give up as many players or as much money in a long-term deal.
The truth is there are less then 60 or so known cheaters in current baseball when we all know that number is much, much higher.
It’s like mice. If you see a couple in the kitchen, there are probably another 100 living in the walls!
ewwww
i think roaches are a better analogy.
I meant to put roaches. For some reason I switched to mice, and forgot to redo the math!
Can I have some points anyway?
Baseball really, really wants us to throw up our hands and “let bygones be bygones.” Well, that someone else eluded the Mitchell Report’s grasp doesn’t absolve someone who couldn’t. No to any of these guys, and anyone currently using should have the same fate hanging over his head.
NO thanks…would not sign anyone on “the list”
“on the list” = best years behind.
Are we talking integrity or likelihood of performance dropoff?
Let’s be honest, all of the GMs knew about the roiders and they had their guesses. I love how Duquette tried to squirm his way out of being drilled on SNY.
Everybody knew, why is everybody pretending they didn’t? I wouldn’t want to sign players I speculated to have used b/c I’m sure their performance would decline. As for ethics? Well, that’s too late now.
As much as posters here dislike Steve P,, he was actually very up front with this (well, maybe he held a little back!)
He admitted having suspicions, but that was the rules he was playing under, and there was nothing he could really do about rooting guys out.
At least based on the report he must have spent at least some effort avoiding questionable guys and trying to keep the clubhouse clean. Unlike his counterpart across town.
I can see what you mean about being punchy with all the fallout from the Mitchell report, but I have to disagree with you regarding the Hall of Fame.
That is an honor that should only be bestowed upon those who played the game at its highest level. Yes, it has become somewat watered-down of late; but, to allow someone entry into the hall that knowingly cheated the fans and the game is just an out-and-out sin.
Yes, Gaylord Perry threw a vaseline ball and he is in the hall, but he shouldn’t be,
That said, the Hall of Fame has a statement to make here… and it should be quite simple and resolute….
no cheating.
It kills me that Baseball hasn’t done ANYTHING meaningful to stop this use of performance enhancing drugs. And until they start using blood tests, and keeping the samples, they are just as guilty as the players for letting this go on by turning a blind eye to it and laughing all the way to the bank.
The funniest comment I heard about the testing program was uttered by Peter Gammons who said that “the owners do not want blood testing because it is too expensive.”
HA!
That is absolutely absurd. They don’t want it because they love the big numbers put up by hitters, they love the power pitchers recording strikeout after strikeout, in short… they love the dollars that come in because of the cheating that they have allowed for the past 20 years.
They don’t give a damn about us, the game, or the kids who grow up idolizing these players. and it makes me sick.
It’s really largely that the union has been incredibly uncooperative. Why is that? Well, they have some stitched together ideological arguments about “privacy” and so forth, but it has more to do with a small set of power agents having a client base soaking in PEDs and a lot of pull with the players’ union. They have do not have in mind the best interests of the marginal players, for whom the choice to take or not take steroids could mean the difference between a shot at the bigs and falling just short. Instead, they want to maintain the status quo — don’t ask, don’t tell — and get long term deals for the Miguel Tejadas of the world. As such, there’s little incentive for players not to exploit any means to get a competitive edge.
The Hall of Fame is a museum and as such should be a living, breathing history book for the game. To not allow guys like Bonds and Clemens into the Hall would be disingenuous. They were the best player of their era, albeit an era tainted by rampant PED abuse. This should be represented on their plaques… sort of their own Scarlet or Bronze Letter.
Sure, these guys “cheated”, but is it really cheating when the game’s caretakers turn a blind eye and allowed this to persist for decades? Perry is a great example of this.
Yes, it’s still cheating.
Has anyone signed Estrada?
Is it just me, or is this guy a good ballplayer?
He does wear stirrups. . . .
are you Paul Lukas? lol
Um no. But I do (a) like UniWatch and (b) agree that the black uniforms and “dropshadow” suck . . . but I thought that before I had even heard of UniWatch — I initially began to grow concerned about uniform proliferation during the Griffey years in Seattle. And then there was the time I saw a 1998 game at Shea in which the Mets wore white, blue-billed caps with their white uniforms. It was horrible.
Is this posting. Tried multiple times and it won’t work.
The winter leagues are on ESPN deportes and Fox Sports Espanol
like f’ing duh
what drugs are YOU on today Cerrone?
if you sign someone on the Mitchell report, you run the very real risk that their previous records were inflated due to use of substances they no longer take
like Paulie
is this even a legitimate question?
frankly, the Mitchell Report will go down as the 2nd most significant non-baseball development in baseball history (up to this point)
the 1st is, do I have to even mention
the Dodgers moving to LA
sign someone known to have had likely amplified performance due to illegal substances at your peril
or are you suggesting everyone does it
at which point Baseball is no cleaner than Harness Racing or Professional Wrestling
who do you like in the 5th at Yonkers?
I thought the most significant non-baseball development in baseball history (up to this point) was John Maine asking to try on a dress in a women’s room.
The HOF is overrated and overcrowded?
i can care less about who is signed from that list. id just hope they came at a discount because of it.
as for the hall of fame…cant say i agree with overrated and overcrowded. i love it. i happen to be a pretty big bonds fan and i have hated clemens for the majority of my life but they both (as well as mr. rose) NEED to be in the hall of fame. the HOF should be about the best players of their respective eras, not necessarily about the numbers. and these two happen to be two of the best during the steroids era.
here’s a radical response to the continually harping at him for not “doing something”
I contend he IS doing “something”
What he is doing is trying to balance the teams present and future, and avoid overpaying (reaching) for the mediocre talent available.
Sure, he could throw around money, there just isn’t anyone worth buying. And apparently, the trade options offered (for pitching) have been skewed toward the other team.
So, he retains his “chips” and either works toward a better deal, or just uses them on the field. All of which is perfectly logical.
Making a trade or signing just to be seen as doing something rarely works out. If he can’t get something acceptable to him, he should hold his cards.