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According to Charley Walter of the St. Paul Pioneer Press, the 
Royals have offered RHP Carlos Silva a three-year deal worth $30 million.
Silva was 13-14 with a 4.19 ERA in 33 starts with the Twins in 2007.
Last week, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported the Cardinals also expressed interest in the 28-year-old Silva.
…ever since silva hit the open market this offseason, i’ve been in favor of the Mets signing him…silva ,more times than not, has provided a quality start – 20 of 33 last season – and although not a power pitcher, he does strikeout twice as many as he walks…
…the concern is, he does have a propensity to give up the long ball, roughly one per start, but with a move to the lighter-hitting national league, and a bigger ballpark such as shea, those numbers could greatly improve…
…Update…1:10 pm…
The Mariners are in ‘serious negotiations’ with Silva on a four-year, $44 million contract, according to ‘major league sources,’ writes Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports.com.
…thanks to chattman for the link…
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But can we outbid the mighty Royals, that’s the hard question here!!
I have to say, I’m glad to see the Royals at least attempting to spend some money. Unlike a certain NL East team in Florida.
I’m actually happy the Marlins dont because they were a player or two away from being the best team in the NL East.
where’s the original kevin elster?
down with the fraudulent one!
Omar shoud just pull the trigger on Silva and wrap him up with a 3 year 33 million dollar deal.
I agree. Santana might not even get moved at this point. Silva is a far-superior innings eater to Livan and if Maine and O’Perez are really expected to break through this year this rotation should be sufficient:
Pedro
Maine
Silva
Perez
Pelfrey/Humber/Duque
Also, I love what Dayton Moore is doing in KC so far.
Of course Santana will be moved. The Twins can’t afford to take the risk of keeping him, having him veto a mid-season trade, and then leave via free agency.
The Twins are not in the power position with regards to the Santana situation.
I would agree with this go 3 for 33 as a final offer take it this week or leave it.
Just sign him. If we do trade for an “ace” we’re going to need pitching depth anyway and if don’t trade our chips, Silva is going to be infinitely better than Pelfrey/Humber/Mulvey anyway. If we’re too much of a contender to let Lastings Milledge learn on the job in RF then we are in no way in a position to let Pelfrey and Humber be educated in Flushing when they haven’t even passed the class in AAA yet.
Silva is only 28. If ever there was a perfect time to sign a guy like this to a three year contract, this would be it I would think.
Yes, this would be the best time to sign Silva, but what’s the ceiling on Silva? 15-10 3.50 career year?
and what’s wrong with those numbers?
The problem is this. A guy like Silva can get you through the 162 game schedule. However, when you get to the post season, he alone doesn’t get the job done as a long reliever. Not to mention, if we do get Silva, the front office will try to spin it as a huge move, such as when they had a “major announcement” in 1999, to announce they traded for Kenny Rogers.
LOL. I’ll take 15 and 10 with that ERA from Maine and Perez as well.
…and that’s worth $11MM to you? If you’ve ever seen this guy pitch, he is basically the poor man’s Kris Benson (and he doesn’t even increase his value by toting around a hot wife, so what good is he?).
no, he’s better than kris benson, so you’re talking out of your ass. look up stats before talking. thanks.
I don’t care about the stats. When will you guys learn that you can’t just look at results. That’s not always the end all. Problem is, in this fantasy baseball era, all people want to do is look at ERA, Wins, etc. Bottom line is, if you’re willing to spend $11MM on a 5th starter, you better (let me say again YOU BETTER!!!) be willing to ante up at least $16MM per for Oliver Perez and I’m not even sure that’s worth it.
It’s not all about the numbers. It’s about being a right handed pitcher who throws 88-90 MPH and is going to get lit up in Philadelphia. If we get a soft-tosser, at least make him a lefty.
Is it me. or are the Royals showing a bit of initiative…
love the screen name, Blue Train’s a great album!
I bet the royals fan confidence rating is higher than ours..thats just sad.
Royals are spending, but they’re not spending wisely, which is a dangerous byproduct of forcing smaller market teams to spend.
Gil Meche, turned out to be a good deal (So far) and the pulled the wool over our eyes with snagging Bannister… Good For Them… I find it hard to rout against the Royals.. This is just proof that ALL teams in baseball have Money to spend
jose guillen?
gil meche? 9-13 $7.4mm (which was a lot back then) today’s market is just absurd.
Fact is, they may be trying, but in that division, they will be out of it by mid-June.
But I give them credit for at least trying to compete.
Brewers too! Think they are overpaying Gagne and Mota to subsidize the cost of their steroids?
Get off your rear end Omar and do something this off season….don’t let the only legit FA pitcher go to the Royals or any other team especially when your best move is , ummmm, trading Milledge or signing Castillo to 4 years, neither of which was very smart. Johan or not, Silva is needed on the staff an dhis 4.19 could easily be 3.75 or less in the NL. Earn your money and do something to at least give the fans some hope for next year and justify the Mets ticket price increase.
Nothing short of getting Santana or Bedard can justify a 20% ticket increase.
+10
4.19 ERA last year — the year before it was almost 6.00. Over 30 starts.
I’m still trying to figure out why this guy is considered an upgrade.
4.19 ERA for the Metrodome is pretty good plus his ERA in 2005 was 3.44. He’s definitely not the best pitcher in the world, but I couldn’t guarantee Humber or Pelfrey pitching 190 + innings and having an ERA that low.
Silva is not that good…plain and simple. Say we go out and sign him for 4 years. Then that’s four more years until that $10MM is clear. Not worth it to sign this guy just for the sake of signing someone. I’d much, much rather go with Pelfrey in that slot (assuming we don’t get Santana).
I know this is risky but we could sign Silva and use Maine in the deal for Santana?
Would the Twins take Gomez, Maine, Humber, Mulvey?
Rotation
Santana, Pedro, Perez, Silva, Elduque with Pelfrey still in the minors?
I am not even sure I would do it but it does give us some flexibility and a little more of a strength position when dealing for an ace.
and that makes the team better how…?
A) sign free agent who may win 15 games
B) trade a 15 game winner with much better peripherals, is younger, has more upside and is cheaper…
C) and trade for a very expensive pitcher entering the downside of his career in both talent and money along with a lengthy contract for maybe 5 more wins?
At the end of the day you’ve emptied the farm, mortgaged the future AND you’ve spent $150 + million for two guys who are going to play 6 or 7 innings every five days…
Not the most economical or efficent use of rescoures.
Well when you explain the BEST pitcher in baseball that way I guess not.
I wouldn’t trade Maine/Reyes or any established major leaguer on pure principle. You don’t give an established major leaguer for a pitcher who will easily command $22million/yr
Again, I would have 3 years ago when Johan making ~10mil was a bargain
Signing a Silva-class starter seems to be inevetable — regardless of the outcome of the Santana Sweepstakes. With Pedro and El Duque always a wind sprint away from a 6 week stint on the DL we really should be going into Spring Training with a solid 6-man rotation:
Pedro
Maine
Ollie
Silva/Garcia
El Duque/Heilman
Pelfrey/Humber
Good hitting teams have won with less. If the right deal comes along for a #1, we have to do it, otherwise let’s grab the best 3/4 available (not saying it is/isn’t Silva), shore up the bullpen and get on with it.
Quality start is a dumb stat.
Agreed.
True, but having a K:BB ratio over 2.00 is not a dumb stat. The HRs allowed by Silva should go down due to the shift back to the NL and the move from Minnesota to Shea (for one year at least).
Silva is a good pitcher, and at 3 or 4 yrs and no more than $12M per season, he is a good investment. He can solidify the back end of the rotation and allow more flexability if the Mets are able to offload almost all their young SPs (Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey, Guerra) for Johan.
A rotation of Johan, Maine, OP, Pedro, Silva wow! Just send the NL pennant to Shea now.
Santana gave up more HRs last year than Silva I think.
that was an anomaly
Silva’s K:BB ratio is over 2.00, fine. But he doesn’t strike anyone out, which means he barely walks anyone. What does that mean? Balls in play – if he can keep the ball on the ground we’ll be fine, but I’m pretty sure he can’t always do that.
I like this idea even more.
Sign Silva and trade for Harden or Millwood
Pedro, Maine, Perez, Harden/Millwood, Silva. Plus it would not take Pelfrey to get either of those deals done. So incase of inury you would still have Elduque AND Pelfrey.
Big difference between Harden and Millwood…
Do you think so? How much?
Beane has no plans for Harden in the rotation as he is oft injured. You know its bound to kill Beane paying him that much money to sit around.
As for Millwood, I would assume Texas would be chomping at the bit to get rid of his contract?
The Rangers are a weird team, though. I’m not so sure that they feel the need to dump Millwood’s contract. Who will they roll out there in his place? Texas is not a team who ever rebuilds.
“Do you think so? How much?”
Harden is 7 years younger (26/33) and even through injury problems has always given up fewer hits than IP w/ high K/BB ratio. Millwood is a horse but clearly his best days are behind him.
“Beane has no plans for Harden in the rotation”
Do you think so? Based on what?
Yeah one sucks because he never pitches and the other is just a sucky pitcher.
id love silva as our 5th starter. although i fear watching him make a start in the philly band box.
He’d actually fare better then most in that he can get opponents to hit into Groundballs. I cringe more at the thought of Maine or Perez in CBP as they rely on Fly Ball Outs.
I agree. If we are going to sign an innings eater, Silva seems to be the best of the lot. 3/33 is still way too much money for him, but that appears to be where the market is right now.
Although I am willing to be patient for Santana and the like, I think this is a move we need to make.
Exactly, I thought that Omar got caught last year hoping for the big fish and got left with nothing but an unready Pelfrey to start the year.
With Glavine gone, we have to add innings. period.
But isnt he about to sign with the Mariners?
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7580112
If true, that’s not good at all. 4 years 44 million is steep. I guess I might still do 4 for 40 and you get to come to NY. I just can’t see going above that for Silva? Then again its only 4 million????
How in the world would anyone pay 11 mil a year for this clown?
That’s a good question. That being said someone’s going to and we are a big market team whose 11 million dollar pitcher just came off the books? I would expect Silva to give better numbers than Glavine?
this fans comment on foxsports says it all:
seniorsmoke
12/17/2007
5:45 PM
the Mets need to make some moves.,.their pitching is pathetic and they’re heading to the cellar without an infusion of life…
not really pathetic, but worse than last year is accurate.
It isn’t pathetic. I also don’t think it is worse than last year. And it certainly is good enough to keep them out of the cellar.
How many people actually think before they post difinitive statements like that with no facts to support it? 2%? 5%?
Well, I think a lot of people post definitive to make a point, but they don’t actually believe it. For example, when someone says Silva stinkS!!!!!
getting sick of this stupid comments section.
anything i post that’s long gets eaten up
First Meche, now this….
Royals = New Evil Empire
+10
good one
Taking all the mediocre players off the market! NO!
off topic, but i heard earlier this morning that brian roberts did infact take steroids in 2003, but i don’t know what paper broke the news. if anyone can find it, and post the link, I’ll appreciate it.
i guess this mitchell report is pretty accurate.
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/
its on espn.com and si.com
thank alot
and danny, it probably isn’y, but people were exonerating roberts after the names coming out, so i was kinda interested.
I don’t mean to come off snippy with you, but is this really even worth discussing anymore?
Everyone has plans to sign Silva as a corollary to another move. Yet the Silva signing would the minor move, in which case, it should be done second, sequentially, not first. Go get Johan, or Harden or whomever you wish, before you sign Silva.
Why is it that we’re trying to fix our front of the rotation by improving the rear? Just go and fix the front by getting Johan. Don’t handcuff us by paying another .500 pitcher to a 10+ mil contract!!!
I understand where you are coming from. However, the backend of our rotation is a lot scarier. I would honestly feel better about entering the season with Silva at the end, as opposed to Humber/Mulvey. GMs are beginning to panic, and the FAs will receive a lot of attention now. Imagine this, some other team picks up Silva, then Livan, then Garcia…What do the Mets get left with? Nothing. Thus, I think, being worst off than they were previously. That being said, We do need to make getting an Ace next on our list.
Truth is, we don’t have many options. Upsetting to me.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s an upgrade and a couple more wins. But it’s a band-aid on a cut that needs stitches.
I don’t mind signing Silva, but would Jennings maybe be a better fit?
Silva via FAgency vs. Blanton via trade?
I guess I’d have to go with Silva via FAgency
I would take Silva for $ over Blanton for a serious package.
3/33? Why not. 4 years seems a bit steep though. Maybe 3/33 or 4/40? That makes the last year reasonable, and more like a Castillo deal (good 3 year money spread over 4 years).
It would, assuming he pitched like a guy in his prime, hopefully give some stability to the back of the rotation. It would also give the young guys development time, and provide a fall back if their was a big trade.
You also have to assume at some point you will be down 2 SPs at the same time. Signing Silva and keeping the farm gives them a big cushion.
They don’t “need” Santana, just a stable rotation that pitches deeper into games on a regular basis with some level of quality.
Silva might not be the best pitcher in the world, but he functions as a #5. And at least he is young and healthy.
I sitll assume that Pedro and Perez (and of course Duque) are gone in 2009, until a contract extension is signed.
So it is quite possible that of the projected 2008 rotation as of today (Pedro, Maine, Perez, Duque, Pelfrey) only Maine and Pelfrey are in the 2009 opening day rotation.
All the rotation uncertainty is an even better reason to cough up some dough and sign Prior for 2-3 years. Take a shot, it’s no riskier than a huge signing bonus to a HS kid!
Minaya is going to panic and sign Silva for 5 years 55 million lol hahaha
Not if the Royals get him first!
After the Mets sign Silva they will assign him uniform # 55 so every time he takes the field we can be reminded of how much money he’s making.
i’d rather have silva, gomez, mulvey, and humber than blanton
Mets should sign Silva (or Prior) to a deal and trade the farm for Santana.
Santana, Pedro, Ollie, Maine, Silva/Prior would be the best rotation in the NL. bump El Puque to the bullpen and see which young guys can help in that department and the Mets would be primed for a stellar pitching year.
The thing that most Mets fans fear is that Omar’s going to sign Silva to a 5 yr $55mil contract, then kick his feet up on his desk and pat himself on the back.
We still need that front of the rotation guy.
4 years $44M….there is a sucker born every minute.
oh god the mets are definitely going to offer 4 with an option now if not guaranteed 5.
Its not that they’re a sucker, but unfortunately it’s all supply and demand.
Well there is such a thing as overvaling a service. The more efficient ballclub stays away from this. There about two teams right now fighting for this guy on a ledge. You have to ask youself why. If his services were on par with his asking price, you would see more teams in the bidding.
Are you there Omar? it’s me, the Mets.
Does he really think we can get by with:
Pedro (can he go a full season? Doubtful)
EL Duque (we know he can’t go a full season)
Maine, Ollie (Good 3 and 4, not 1 and 2)
Pelfrey, Humber (Completely unproven and both very shakey)
What happens when the two top guys break down?
Where is he?
not sure where he is but pretty sure he’s alone and there’s a plate of sushi in front of him. Oh wait, that was the winter meetings.
and what if reyes, wright, and beltran all catch the ebola virus and die?!?!?? YOU MUST PLAN FOR EVERY POSSIBLE CONTINGENCY OMAR
Planning for El Duque and Pedro WILL break down.
Reyes had a touch of Ebola at the end of the season.
metsftw,
if you look at the stats from last year, reyes, wright, and beltran didn’t have ebola or the flesh eating virus…not even once.
still think silva is good?
Fire Isiah! Fire Isiah! Fire Isiah!
LOL! The best post all day.
spending 40plus mil on this Silva guy over 4 tears is a waste of resources.
From the Twins standpoint.. they traded Garza and are losing Silva.
Looks like they need to replenish the rotation.. makes sense for them to trade santana for up to three young potential #3 starters rather than for one possible #1 starter (leester/hughes)
adding Heilman to the mix gives them the opportunity to move nathan for another young starter.
patience people.
$40M over 4 tears, close. How about $40M over many tears (mainly Mets fans). That was prob a type-o but I hope not, it was pretty funny.
patience is certainly something that is lacking on this site (i know ive been guilty of that) but its the whole deja vu type feeling this offseason has. omar gets tunnel vision on 1 pitcher (santana or zito) and everything else that we need goes and signs somewhere or is traded, then we look up and realize we didnt get the big fish and suddenly its ST. so you cant really blame the fans for their reactions.
Yeah, but Silva should have no impact on the Santana quest. If anything, it supports it.
Last year, they decided there was 1 rotation spot to fill, and he locked on Zito until the other guys went.
This year, there is technically 1 spot to fill, but only if you keep the young guys. If Pelfrey+++ goes for Santana, then you have 2 spots.
So basically, whether they get Santana or not, there is another spot in the rotation to fill.
WOrst that happens is you sign Silva and nothing else, so Pelfrey doesn’t start in the rotation 9he comes in when Duque goes down). Might actually be better all around.
So basically Silva replaces Duque in the future.
didnt Omar come in second in the Dice K auction? Zito was his second choice. and the other choices were not appealing
all the other starters available last year were of the 2nd tier level.. so LIlly had a good year.. lets see him do it again.. laying out 40 + over 4 years for these stiffs is just going to handicap up in future moves..
i just dont see locking down the 4/5 spot for 40+ mil as a smart move.
If Omar is going to have tunnel vision let it be for an Ace.
i understand what youre saying but omar cant focus on more than one thing at a time. signing castillo to that ridiculous 4 year deal early on is proof of that, he wanted to get it out of the way so he could focus on starting pitching.
Make up your minds here.
Post after posts says act like a big market team and spend the vast resources.
Then, when a rumor pops up about signing someone that could help, everyone is suddenly up in arms about the guy not being worth the money!
I don’t care that much, as long as it doesn’t prevent getting other (better) players in the future. I don’t think Silva is worth 4/40, but if the big man has the cash to spend, and it will make the team better, go for it.
Silva isn’t great, but it does help stabalize the rotation, and gives them more flexibility with trading young SPs, or keeping them to develop (and not in the rotation).
Just somehow grab Prior too for a back up plan on injury rehab.
Listen, Silva has an alright record…but look at Perez…he was 3-13 the year before he was a 15 game winner this year….so i guess give Silva a chance with a great offense/great defense…he might be a 15 game winner or more….but he is no way near worth 55 million lol
carlos silva blows. no way is he worth the money. let the royals and mariners fight over him. let’s focus on getting a sheets, johan, or bedard and forget all of the rest. there’s always livan hernandez to fall back on, which to some may sound like the worst possible situation but to me sounds better than silva, lohse, or any of the 5th starter free agent dreck that are being passed as hot pitching commodities this terrible offseason
yeah get livan that works
trade up for Scott Olsen
haha
Great Fing Idea. He’s young he’s and has great stuff and I think could be had for a good price. Humber, Mulvey and Gotay?
Hey listen, Scott Olsen isn’t that bad…2 years ago he had great numbers and i think he’ll pitch better with the mets just as perez did….
People are forgetting the current rates starting pitchers can go for. If you can get a relatively young (28 y/o) innings eater with a K/BB ratio better than 2 then you get him! His ERA was just over 4 in the AL and if you translate that to the NL he could have a record/ERA that mirrors Ollie and Maine. I think it is unfair to say Silva isn’t as good as those two, in my opinion he fits in nicely with them and could make a very formidable 2, 3, and 4 starter. If the Mets do pull the trigger for a Santana deal then that 2, 3, 4 package gets bumped to the 3, 4, 5 and who can say there would be a better 3, 4, 5 than those 3 young, talented pitchers? Bring in Silva, if the Mets can pay him $10-11 million a year for 4 years I don’t see why they wouldn’t do it. That would mean he would only be 33 by the time the season ends in his last year, which is young in today’s market for pitchers (who seem to be pitching past 40 more frequently). It’s obvious that the Mets need a bonafide inning-eating Ace, but signing Silva isn’t a solution to that problem and no one says that it is, a signing of Silva would just mean making the rotation more dependable, which is (correct me if I’m wrong) what all our biggest worry is at this time.
For how they are robbing us with this ticket increase, a 11M player better not “handcuff” us from making future deals.