Mike Nichols

Buzz: M’s offer Silva a 4-yr Deal
By Mike Nichols - Dec 18, 2007 12:08 pm

According to Charley Walter of the St. Paul Pioneer Press, the Royals have offered RHP Carlos Silva a three-year deal worth $30 million.

Silva was 13-14 with a 4.19 ERA in 33 starts with the Twins in 2007.

Last week, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported the Cardinals also expressed interest in the 28-year-old Silva.

…ever since silva hit the open market this offseason, i’ve been in favor of the Mets signing him…silva ,more times than not, has provided a quality start - 20 of 33 last season - and although not a power pitcher, he does strikeout twice as many as he walks…

…the concern is, he does have a propensity to give up the long ball, roughly one per start, but with a move to the lighter-hitting national league, and a bigger ballpark such as shea, those numbers could greatly improve…


Update1:10 pm

The Mariners are in ‘serious negotiations’ with Silva on a four-year, $44 million contract, according to ‘major league sources,’ writes Ken Rosenthal at FoxSports.com.

…thanks to chattman for the link

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109 Comments

Comment by euchreking
2007-12-18 12:10:57

But can we outbid the mighty Royals, that’s the hard question here!!

Comment by MacD81
2007-12-18 12:33:19

I have to say, I’m glad to see the Royals at least attempting to spend some money. Unlike a certain NL East team in Florida.

Comment by Kevin Elster
2007-12-18 12:51:42

I’m actually happy the Marlins dont because they were a player or two away from being the best team in the NL East.

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Comment by points guy
2007-12-18 12:52:14

where’s the original kevin elster?

 
Comment by dannyb
2007-12-18 13:44:53

down with the fraudulent one!

 
 
 
 
Comment by dk70
2007-12-18 12:15:14

Omar shoud just pull the trigger on Silva and wrap him up with a 3 year 33 million dollar deal.

Comment by thornton
2007-12-18 12:24:09

I agree. Santana might not even get moved at this point. Silva is a far-superior innings eater to Livan and if Maine and O’Perez are really expected to break through this year this rotation should be sufficient:
Pedro
Maine
Silva
Perez
Pelfrey/Humber/Duque
Also, I love what Dayton Moore is doing in KC so far.

Comment by DannyPhantom
2007-12-18 13:41:18

Of course Santana will be moved. The Twins can’t afford to take the risk of keeping him, having him veto a mid-season trade, and then leave via free agency.

The Twins are not in the power position with regards to the Santana situation.

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Comment by therealsince86
2007-12-18 12:19:12

I would agree with this go 3 for 33 as a final offer take it this week or leave it.

 
Comment by Constnza81V2.0
2007-12-18 12:19:18

Just sign him. If we do trade for an “ace” we’re going to need pitching depth anyway and if don’t trade our chips, Silva is going to be infinitely better than Pelfrey/Humber/Mulvey anyway. If we’re too much of a contender to let Lastings Milledge learn on the job in RF then we are in no way in a position to let Pelfrey and Humber be educated in Flushing when they haven’t even passed the class in AAA yet.

Comment by DannyPhantom
2007-12-18 12:24:22

Silva is only 28. If ever there was a perfect time to sign a guy like this to a three year contract, this would be it I would think.

Comment by points guy
2007-12-18 13:04:54

Yes, this would be the best time to sign Silva, but what’s the ceiling on Silva? 15-10 3.50 career year?

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Comment by metsftw
2007-12-18 13:42:30

and what’s wrong with those numbers?

 
Comment by dannyb
2007-12-18 13:47:59

The problem is this. A guy like Silva can get you through the 162 game schedule. However, when you get to the post season, he alone doesn’t get the job done as a long reliever. Not to mention, if we do get Silva, the front office will try to spin it as a huge move, such as when they had a “major announcement” in 1999, to announce they traded for Kenny Rogers.

 
Comment by metsrbest
2007-12-18 13:57:03

LOL. I’ll take 15 and 10 with that ERA from Maine and Perez as well.

 
Comment by dannyb
2007-12-18 14:00:29

…and that’s worth $11MM to you? If you’ve ever seen this guy pitch, he is basically the poor man’s Kris Benson (and he doesn’t even increase his value by toting around a hot wife, so what good is he?).

 
Comment by metsftw
2007-12-18 14:19:24

no, he’s better than kris benson, so you’re talking out of your ass. look up stats before talking. thanks.

 
Comment by dannyb
2007-12-18 14:23:25

I don’t care about the stats. When will you guys learn that you can’t just look at results. That’s not always the end all. Problem is, in this fantasy baseball era, all people want to do is look at ERA, Wins, etc. Bottom line is, if you’re willing to spend $11MM on a 5th starter, you better (let me say again YOU BETTER!!!) be willing to ante up at least $16MM per for Oliver Perez and I’m not even sure that’s worth it.

It’s not all about the numbers. It’s about being a right handed pitcher who throws 88-90 MPH and is going to get lit up in Philadelphia. If we get a soft-tosser, at least make him a lefty.

 
 
 
 
Comment by BlueTrane
2007-12-18 12:19:37

Is it me. or are the Royals showing a bit of initiative…

Comment by GravediggerHebner
2007-12-18 13:16:05

love the screen name, Blue Train’s a great album!

 
 
Comment by gomets2008
2007-12-18 12:22:02

I bet the royals fan confidence rating is higher than ours..thats just sad.

Comment by points guy
2007-12-18 13:04:13

Royals are spending, but they’re not spending wisely, which is a dangerous byproduct of forcing smaller market teams to spend.

Comment by bonatom
2007-12-18 13:08:10

Gil Meche, turned out to be a good deal (So far) and the pulled the wool over our eyes with snagging Bannister… Good For Them… I find it hard to rout against the Royals.. This is just proof that ALL teams in baseball have Money to spend

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Comment by points guy
2007-12-18 13:30:56

jose guillen?

gil meche? 9-13 $7.4mm (which was a lot back then) today’s market is just absurd.

 
Comment by dannyb
2007-12-18 13:51:27

Fact is, they may be trying, but in that division, they will be out of it by mid-June.

But I give them credit for at least trying to compete.

Brewers too! Think they are overpaying Gagne and Mota to subsidize the cost of their steroids?

 
 
 
 
Comment by cbusmetsfan
2007-12-18 12:22:32

Get off your rear end Omar and do something this off season….don’t let the only legit FA pitcher go to the Royals or any other team especially when your best move is , ummmm, trading Milledge or signing Castillo to 4 years, neither of which was very smart. Johan or not, Silva is needed on the staff an dhis 4.19 could easily be 3.75 or less in the NL. Earn your money and do something to at least give the fans some hope for next year and justify the Mets ticket price increase.

Comment by napes22
2007-12-18 12:35:11

Nothing short of getting Santana or Bedard can justify a 20% ticket increase.

Comment by points guy
2007-12-18 12:53:36

+10

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Comment by gameball
2007-12-18 13:35:49

4.19 ERA last year — the year before it was almost 6.00. Over 30 starts.

I’m still trying to figure out why this guy is considered an upgrade.

Comment by metsrbest
2007-12-18 13:44:42

4.19 ERA for the Metrodome is pretty good plus his ERA in 2005 was 3.44. He’s definitely not the best pitcher in the world, but I couldn’t guarantee Humber or Pelfrey pitching 190 + innings and having an ERA that low.

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Comment by dannyb
2007-12-18 13:58:15

Silva is not that good…plain and simple. Say we go out and sign him for 4 years. Then that’s four more years until that $10MM is clear. Not worth it to sign this guy just for the sake of signing someone. I’d much, much rather go with Pelfrey in that slot (assuming we don’t get Santana).

 
 
 
 
Comment by therealsince86
2007-12-18 12:23:23

I know this is risky but we could sign Silva and use Maine in the deal for Santana?
Would the Twins take Gomez, Maine, Humber, Mulvey?
Rotation
Santana, Pedro, Perez, Silva, Elduque with Pelfrey still in the minors?
I am not even sure I would do it but it does give us some flexibility and a little more of a strength position when dealing for an ace.

Comment by astoriametsfan72
2007-12-18 12:34:09

and that makes the team better how…?

A) sign free agent who may win 15 games

B) trade a 15 game winner with much better peripherals, is younger, has more upside and is cheaper…

C) and trade for a very expensive pitcher entering the downside of his career in both talent and money along with a lengthy contract for maybe 5 more wins?

At the end of the day you’ve emptied the farm, mortgaged the future AND you’ve spent $150 + million for two guys who are going to play 6 or 7 innings every five days…

Not the most economical or efficent use of rescoures.