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According to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, the Mariners may be the front-runners to acquire O’s LHP Erik Bedard.
Though the Dodgers were once viewed as a possible option for Bedard, explains the Post-Intelligencer, ‘now the Mariners’ prime competition appears to be the Reds and, perhaps, the Mets.’
…perhaps, but i doubt it…two things…first, the O’s will want far more than the Mets can part with, just ask the A’s, who recently traded Dan Haren, who the Mets were very, very interested in, but who they had no chance of getting…lastly, i once heard that the O’s are reluctant to deal with the Mets, for reasons associated with Kris Benson’s health, and, from what i can gather, there is actually some truth to this…and i’m sure John Maine’s success isn’t helping any either…and, look, if the Mets could put together a top package for bedard, regardless of what did or didn’t happen with benson, i’m fairly certain the O’s would listen…fact is, in addition to the benson issue, the Mets lack the talent to get bedard and so it only makes things that much more complicated…
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nice to know the mets are “interested”. nothing will come of it as usual. talk is cheap….wilpons like that price.
Here is a look at the rotation when the season starts:
Pedro
Maine
Perez
El Duque
Pelfrey/Humber
…why should we think otherwise?
3rd place
Probably better than 12 other teams in the NL, including the rest of the east, when you go top to bottom.
And yes, this assumes that Pedro is healthy. Every team has some question mark, but he seemed strong in Spetember, so it is a reasonable assumption.
I couldn’t agree more. Are there question marks in that rotation? Sure. But most Mets fans and the media seem to take Maine and Perez for granted. Could they have worse years than they did in 2007? Sure. But could they continue to grow and, perhaps, have an even better year? Absolutely. As it stands now, I am very comfortable with the rotation.
The only thing that bothers is what the Mets will do when El Duque gets hurt. He carried the staff through July of 2007, but of course he can’t be relied on to be healthy all season. Hopefully someone on the farm can step it up when he goes down.
Well i guess i cant comment on anything since nothing is popping up….
Looks like santana or bust.
Stay away from what appears will be an injury prone Bedard adn see what they want for DCab
Daniel Cabrera is the starting pitcher version of Guillermo Mota. I wouldn’t go near him.
I am getting so sick of this crap……….. If we didn’t have the players to get Harren and we don’t have the players to get Bedard then we certainly don’t have the prospects to get Johan. Please stop printing this stuff until we have something fresh and new. It really doesn’t matter if we had tons of prospects. Omar will not pull the trigger on this or any other trade!
Bedard because he is so far from free agency like Haren was will in Baltimore’s eyes need a bigger package than Johan. If for nothing else than because they do not need to trade him. Therefore, they will not trade him unless blown away. In the Twins case they can play tough but Johan has said he will test free agency and not waive the no trade caluse during the season so they are coming up on a decision take what is offered or keep him and hope the draft picks work out. Also the Mets may have prospects the Twins like but the Orioles do not. I also personally think Baltimore is hesitant to trade with us after the whole Maine thing. I wouldn’t say Omar will not pull the trigger on a trade. He has shown that he doesn;t mind trading players but he doesn’t have to give in to ridiculous demands just so the fans can be happy he made a move. Sometimes holding out is your best bet. I would love Santana but not at the cost of gutting the farm because I happen to think Fernando is going to be special and you need to keep one of Humber, Mulvey or Pelfrey at least as injury insurance so we do not end up with a Lawrence pitching for us again.
In the case of Santana the Red Sox just want to keep the Yankees away from him and the Yankees do not want to give up very much for him. The Mets are sitting there offering 4 prospects or so. Omar is just waiting them out.
Problem is that unless the Twins are wowed with something, they are playing everyone. I would bet that the Twins go into the season with him as their ace and then hold some team hostage at the trading deadline. That way they have time to negotiate an extension, and if that falls apart they still get their prospects. I think Santana is waiving that ” I would be willing to waive my no trade” just so he and his agent can feel the water and determine what his value is on the open market. There have been enough quality offers put on the table that if the Twins were going to do something they would have done it by now.
Santana has said that he will not waive his no trade at the trade deadline. if he holds fast, the twins have to move him now or get nothing in return. (except 2 draft picks which seems like an untenable position.
If Santana had a chance at the trade deadline to get off a pretender (TWINS) and go to a contender he would do it in a heart beat. I think you under estimate the powerfull pull of the ring.
wrong
trade bonus – say 1-3mil and Santana waives that no trade clause
Trading him at the deadline would net less because teams are not going to want to pay as much for a 2 month rental.
I would bet that unless he has a terrible first half that a contender with financial ability would offer at least 3 prospects with the hopes of being able to re-sign him. Twinkies still win in their bid to rebuild that team.
I remember reading an article around the time of the winter meetings that suggested that since Johan didn’t meet certain performance numbers last year that his no trade clause is only good for the beginning of the season but will expire when the trade deadline comes. I could see him vetoing any trade the first couple months of the season but if what I read was true than he can’t veto a trade after a certain date. If the Mets can sign a Silva or Hernandez to be our 5th starter, we can have Pelfrey and Humber in the minors to develop and increase their trade value. A half season of a healthy Gomez may be what it takes to get the twins to bite on this trade.
I highly doubt that. He pitched 219 innings last year. It’s a gray area, but I’m sure the collective bargaining agreement precludes incentives based on performance.
Link?
I saw the same thing (weeks ago) that his non-trade expires after opening day 2008, and that Twins can do as they please after that point. I didn’t hear anything about that being related to last year’s performance, but that wouldn’t shock me.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/minnesota-twins_17.html
If you scroll down to Santana it indicates he has a full no trade clause only if he finishes in the top 3 in CY Young voting in 06 or 07. Not sure if he finished that high in 06.
santana is controlling the process. they cannot trade him anywhere. if he really wants an NL team, and an East Coast team, it cannot hurt that his best buddy is playing 2B for the Mets. the twins are demanding a lot and the Mets are waiting them out. maybe eventually they tell themselves we might as w4ell get something. of course, i am giving omar too much credit here. he will probably become impatient and trade some of these guys for Scott Olsen.
Time to stop messing around. Offer up Minn’s choice of any 5 prospects from the system and if they accept offer Johan 150 for 6. If it doesn’t fly then announce that we’re moving on and stop teasing us.
I do not think we need to “Hank” them with a deadline. Just go about operating as if he is not on the market and see where that takes you. No need to make proclamations to the industry or our fans. Further…the Twins did not seem to respond all that well to the Hank deadline of the Winter Meetings.
Just let it play out and if I operated this site, I would concentrate the new threads and posts specifically on the things we are hearing rather than the expectations of what we want to hear.
tease, tease, tease…
So Matt,
Do you think the Mets walk away from this offseason picking up a legitimate ace? I say no to Blanton because we have a team of #2 pitchers.
Santana or nothing is what I think. However, it seems more likely that Santana stays put. I don’t think we have the prospects to get a #1 starter.
On another note, I noticed that the Dodgers knew LoDuca was juicing and even promised he would start again before LoDuca was traded to the Marlins. How come they haven’t been called under the carpet for that?
I wish this was a team of number 2’s, you can get away with that! These guys are 3’s at the best, but mostly 4’s. An ace is needed, but I am doubting that it’s going to happen.
I would rather have three numbers 2 (Pedro, Maine, Blanton) with Perez, and Pelfrey or Duque, than have two number twos, Perez, Pefrey and Duque. Obviously, I’d rather have a number 1 and 2 #2’s than 3 #2’s, but if that’s not an option, than we should still look to upgrade.
I often hear a lot of Metsbloggers upset with Omar and the Wilpons and most of the time its based on what move we made or who were pursuing. Such as a joker like Lohse, which I hope is untrue.
But alot of that is speculation and nobody ever figures that Omar did already try to make the obvoius move that the majority of the fans would make. I’m sure Omar knows a guy with a low ERA and high K’s is a good pitcher.
So, with that I’d like to criticize the Mets organization for what has been our biggest hold up this offseason, lack of prospects. Instead of criticizing Omar over free agent and trade rumors, something that may not be true, lets comment on the recent history of the organization which is fact.
The Mets have made an extremely costly blunder in not signing young talent that falls in the draft or foreign talent thats in high demand.
THIS HAS KILLED US.
If we as fans really want to sink are teeth into the organizations most recent blunder it would be this issue of not stocking up the farm. It seemed as if only a few years ago the Yankees farm system was diminished, but they built it up quick using there financial might.
So, the Mets have made an amateur mistake in not equipping themselves with every tool possible. This can be the very reason we may miss a World Series.
Very true, well said!
I agree with the poor drafting and the inability to sign young players. Pedro Beato is a prime example. We drafted him but didn’t want to pay the signing bonus, so he was redrafted by the O’s and is now one of their top prospects. If the player has talent to warrant the money, then sign him. Bottom Line.
Thanks for the update on Beato, I’ve been trying hard to remember that situation and who it was that we missed out on. That bothered me when it happenned. I think our approach in the draft has been a big problem too.
But, a few weeks ago, Omar came out saying that they will be changing their drafting approach, so apparently they see the problem also.
that doesnt mean anything that could just mean instead of drafting relievers theyll draft starters or OFers or more IFers. wilpon is never going to flex the financial muscles. and now its not only affecting our ability to sign FA like in the past with vlad and arod but its also hurting our ability to trade as well.
I tend to disagree as recent history has shown that Pelfrey and Humber were both extremely highly rated and were paid at or above slot to get.
They have not panned out yet for different reasons but it is not because we underpaid or let em go or because we picked weaker talent. The talent is there with both of them…
If you want to place blame…place it where it belongs…either the development system of the team in the minors is crap or these 2 pitchers simply have not made the adjustments they have been told about to improve.
It is not like Pelfrey has not been told to aggressively pound the zone in the lower half with his fastball and his slider. It is that he either is afraid to attack it or he does not have the control. Either way….it is not on Omar alone that they have not advanced farther. It is on the development system for pitchers in the minors and it is on the players themselves
Pelfrey and Humber go back a few years. You can commend Omar for saying he’s going to try to get talent in future drafts, but look at the last 2 drafts – they argue that when it comes to obtaining American talent, Omar is among the worst GM’s in baseball. He is strong in other areas –
Put his strengths and weaknesses together, and you’ll see why our rotation will be led by Pedro/Maine/Perez – three guys for whom we can thank Omar, but there will be no ace, for which can blame Omar.
I hear ya Chris but in minor defense of Omars draft accumen….we have not had a 1st round pick in either year and the guys who he has picked are climbing up our own top 10 rankings. Mulvey and Kunz and Vineyard and Niese and Purcell are all young and yet they all appear on the Baseball America METS SPECIFIC top 10 list. None populate their top 100 prospects in the game list like FMart and Gomez and Guerra do…though Humber and Pelfrey both did as late as last year
one of heilman’s major problems when he was a starter was in the mastering his fastball. he could not locate it. pelfrey may still come around. humber looks like he has no velocity, although when I saw him last year he had been sitting for a month. It is hard to maintain velocity when you sit around. hard throwers have to throw in games.
agreed !
I see many holes in the way the Mets have identified, tracked, protected and elevated prospects.
the failure to protect Jesús Flores still burns me.
Save the kids until they’ve had a few months more seasoning. i hate selling low
Sign Silva. The guy is always on the plate. Doesn’t walk a lot of hitters. The 1.31 WHIP is pretty good.
Maine’s is 1.27, Ollie is 1.31.
Haren is 1.20. Blanton 1.21. not much difference.
Santana is 1.07 & Bedard 1.08 These are the real studs.
If I want a hippopotamus for Christmas, will I get David Wells or Bartolo Colon?
Today and tomorrow are the days to make a move. After tomorrow, there is no chance to capitalize on a move until after the College Bowl season.
The Mitchell report and it’s aftermath have left the news cycle. Football is off the back pages until Friday, the Knicks/Nets stink, and the Yankees/Red Sox are home for the holidays.
This is it. The Mets small window of opportunity has arrived. Ticket packages were mailed and over the next three days buyers will make a decision.
Mark it down.
So in other words we are going to up the offer by 20%? that is what the METS did to the tickets.
THey need pitching. They need pitchers with the potential to be a stud. They should have money.
So, signing guys like this makes sense. For the toads, 1 year deals. For prior, if they can get him for 2 years at 8 million guaranteed, DO IT NOW!
Silva for 4/40 I don’t like. How about 2/20 + option years? Doesn’t seem like anyone else has offered him 4 years, or he would have signed.
Prior is the perfect guy to sign. 10 years younger than Colon with way better stuff, and real potential.
ANd, it is only risking money. Keep the farm, and if you get stuck with a couple of dead contracts, well, eat the money.
I could live with Pedro/Maine/Perez/Duque as the top 4 to start, with # 5 coming from the kids (Pelfrey/Humber), the dark horse (Heilman), or the unknown signee (Benson, Silva).
THen, in reserve, you could have prior getting ready, and the other kids (pelf/Humber/Mulvey) working on their stuff in AAa or the pen. Plus any other reclamation projects you land.
Maybe not quite the ace everyone wants, but it is a way to get a viable, and potentially very good, rotation while still having depth in the system (for call ups, or future trades).
that was the gist of the post I couldn’t get to land in the Prior thread!
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