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In a recent report for the Pioneer Press, citing ‘team insiders,’ Charley Walters writes that the Red Sox remain the favorite to acquire Johan Santana from the Twins, offering Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, Jed Lowrie and Justin Masterson.
According to Walters, citing ‘buzz,’ a Santana 
trade ‘could be made within days.’
…of course, people close to santana thought he was close to going to boston last week, as well, yet nothing happened…also, during the Winter Meetings, reports suggested a deal was close and, again, nothing happened…which is why i will only anticipate news when news actually happens…
…meanwhile, i have talked to some people who believe that the Mets and Twins have not talked in weeks, while others believe they have…my sense is that things are quiet, though this may have more to do with family issues involving team officials and agents than it does with a break-down in talks…
…last week, we were led to believe that it would cost Fernando Martinez or Carlos Gomez, or both, plus up to four pitchers, including Aaron Heilman, to get santana…now, according to people connected to the team, that number could be more like five pitchers…which is confusing to me, because i can’t name five quality pitchers for the Mets to actually give at this point…
…i realize i am a Mets fan, but, i just don’t understand why gomez and four pitchers, including heilman, is not better than what the Red Sox are offering, especially since, from what i understand, the Twins like gomez as much as ellsbury…
…nevertheless, word is that the Mets are ‘monitoring the situation,’ yet remain positive…
…from what i can gather, Omar Minaya wants a top-line starting pitcher as much as you and i do, despite his recent praises of John Maine and Oliver Perez…what’s worse, i think the players want a pitcher like santana as well…i sense a bit of panic, because, as i understand, Dan Haren may actually have been this team’s top choice, though they never stood a realistic chance of getting him…meanwhile, for the same reason haren was too difficult, Erik Bedard is not a realistic option as well…plus, if Mets prospects were not attractive to oakland in a deal for haren, i can’t see why they’d be suddenly attractive now in talks regarding Joe Blanton…therefore, as crazy as it may seem, santana, the best pitcher in baseball, may be minaya’s only option…
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after santana is traded to the red sox or yankees, the mets should immediately offer a package for joe nathan. they’re not getting an ace. omar should build a dominate bullpen to make up for it.
Would Nathan have an ok attitude being a setup man this year?
I Dont think thats going to happen at all, Nathan is a closer and prolly would not like to be a setup man…how would you feel if that happened to you? from closer to setup man…..depends on the person i guess
We are out of options.
Time to go to war with what we have for better or for worse. The pen looks to be tweaked a bit to our advantage but the rotation is not better (though in theory…a year of pedro should be better than the year we got from Glavine)
We did not do enough this offseason but it appears we did not have the goods to make things happen.
time to work on the rotaton from within.
2 months til spring training, the Mets have acquired many serviceable players in January under Omar, albeit no superstars.
Nathan is a pipe dream. No team in the league has two top closers in the pen. First off, he’s better than Wagner so who closes? Wagner would have a fit, there are no more two alternating closer situations in baseball. so just stop it, anyone who suggests Nathan should be banned from posting.
it’s nice to be called out by one of the half-wit posters.
if wagner wants to win as he regularly complains (pubically) about he’ll welcome nathan with open arms. nathan can sign a big contract with the mets taking over when wag leaves in 2009.
wagner will leave a note in nathan’s locker
“Know your place set-up boy!”
I hate the points thing but gotta give credit where it is due.
+100
+ whatever. I have to admit you have made yourself known in here rather quickly, kudos.
as to zen, wow, haven’t been calle a nitwit lately, especially by someone that actually believes ballplayers put winning ahead of personal glory. How about a dose of reality. Wagner has a fit if he gets used in a nonsave situation, Nathan is the second or third best closer in baseball. They can not coexist in the Mets’ bullpen. And beyond that, the mets are not going to pay two relievers 10+ million dollars a year.
It could work if it’s only for one year. If the Mets tell Nathan that he will be the set-up man going into 2008 and the closer come 2009, I can’t see why he wouldn’t go for that. Especially, given the fact that he will be playing for a contending team like the Mets. As far as Wagner goes, he only has one more year on deal. Which means he should be on his best behavior, if he wants to get a big contract somewhere else (considering Nathan will be the closer in 2009). Also, Wagner hasn’t exactly been lights out in big spots, so maybe having Nathan as insurance incase Wagner implodes isn’t a bad idea either.
Why would they trade prospects for a guy they knew they weren’t going to resign after one year? That’s a waste. Besides, you don’t build a bullpen by stockpiling other teams’ closers. You build a bullpen with guys who are capable in their defined roles.
you can re-sign nathan to take over for wags when he leaves. either guy can pitch in the 8th or 9th inning. they are very capable. defined roles are over-rated. the 1990 reds had 3 closers.
ego’s have to be put aside. mariano was better than wettleland in 1996. he did it. it’s the same for starters. pedro is perhaps the best pitcher in the history of mlb: # winning % and #1 adjusted era despite pitching to a bunch of ‘roid freaks. in 2004, he pitched game 2 of the alcs and alcs then game 3 of the ws. that’s a winner
Sox will get the deal done by the weekend leaving the Mets to be able to grab “their man” in Livan Hernandez.
The more the 2006 and 2007 seasons fade into the past, the more I realize that we probably wont be a serious post season contender for another few years (at least).
I agree with everything you say. What confounds me is why is Wilpon putting up with this nonsense from Minaya?? Omar has ruined the farm system by not nurturing it with good drafts. He has focused on only trading or signing “his guys”. The roster has become devoid of American star players! Other GM’s laugh at his proposals. Fred, are you so sure the new stadium will sell-out because it’s new?? I’m not so sure. It will be rat-infested by King Rat Omar and his boys unless you get an exterminator quickly!!!!
God what a dumb comment. There should be a dumb filter.
forget the pen, lets just sign all the cheap guys, closers come and go every 3 years, when wagner is done some other Valverde or Cordero will be the new hot commodity, lets not lose the pen on a set up guy for 2 years…
I’m pretty sure that Omar and his team are acutely aware of how important getting a name front line pitcher after last season debacle is to the team/fan base/sny/citi field. He probably doesn’t want to come off in panic mode to the other teams, but likely is just that…….
hes not coming here. neither is nathan. give it up
that water in my face is really really cold.
I know alot of “insiders” say we have no chance w.o including reyes but i think if the twins say to omar “ok boston has offered this and we’re going to do it unless you give us a reason not to” omar may panic and give in to their ridiculous demands of like 6-7 players or whatever it is bc i think omar knows his job and credibility are on the line here if he goes 2 offseasons w.o making a big splash after constantly saying “pitching is the main priority”.
Since we appear to be shut out all around……
Would we be better off with which of the following scenarios:
1) Sign Silva
2) Let Humber, Peflrey and Mulvey compete for the 5th spot
3) Sign colon or Prior
4) Sign Livan of Jason jennings?
I am leaning toward signing Colon or Prior
id go with colon and jennings to be honest then let the kids pitch in AAA they need to develop, and when el duque goes down or pedro needs to rest bring up pelfrey to throw a game here and there since he has the most exp. if we dont trade humber or mulvey i think in a perfect world we wouldnt see either of those guys in the majors until september if at all.
+5
Let the kids develop. They looked ill-prepared
Why does everyone think Mulvey is ready? He is not even close. He isn’t even expected as a late season call-up this year.
Out of your options I would either sign Silva or Livan. I would probably lean towards Livan because he will be a 1 year deal. I do not want to commit to a guy like Silva that we do not know much about for 4 years $44 mill. Livan gives you innings which we need most of. We lost Glavine (which I am happy about) so we need to replace his innings and Livan seems the best fit to eat innings literally and figuratively.
Colon and Prior are oft injured which means you need another pitcher to replace them. Who knows. I would like to give Pelfrey the 5th and put El Duque as a reliever/long-man/spot starter.
Livan eating innings…..+50(lbs)
At this point, I think the Mets should just stick with what they have. I can’t imagine Pelfrey or Humber not getting better this year. Nobody thought Bannister was going to do what he did in KC last year. If given the opportunity, who knows what he would have done in NY. Also, it is still very early, but Martinez may just be the real deal. You can’t include him in any trade. Go with what we have and hope Santana becomes a free agent next year!
Typical Met fan. What if, I hope, this guy might get better, Pedro’s bionic arm may work better than before…blah.
i understand your frustration and agree with your sentiments. frankly im sick of having to say “i hope” and “maybe if” bla bla bla. unfortunately the way our team is run, we have to think this way to maintain our sanity.
Who has maintained their sanity? Mine left with the Kazmir trade. Two streaming tickers have actually made me almos throw up in my life, Kazmir for Zambrano (when I realized it wasn’t Carlos) and Apple stock plunging 50% in one day (although this wasn’t as bas since you can always make more money).
Next Guiness commercial marketed in Tampa:
Trade Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir….Brilliant!!!
Who trades a lefty that throws 96?
well i should clarify, we need to think this way to maintain our sanity in the offseason. believe me mine goes away by spring training.
Its amazing. People think Guerra, Humber, Mulvey, are big chances because they might not amount to much. May never reach their potential. Yet some say they were against the Kazmir trade from the start. Kazmir was only 9 – 12 in the minors, barely 2 years of professional ball. All he was was potential, no greater than Guerra’s. Yet theres no problem in getting rid of him. So I guess a few years from now people will say they were against his trade from the start as well.
As a fan, it is obviously time to stop expending energy on a Santana deal. The Mets don’t have what it takes in prospects and more improtantly they certainlt do not have the GUTS to get this done. They will always be a second rate organization totally disregarding their fans and pretending to be big market. I couldn’t care less if they gave up the entire farm system. They will not win a WS anytime soon. Also rans. Everyone in here needs to just admit it. Second place in all things is fine with the Wilpons. Amazing how life long NYers can have no clue what makes NY NY.
You are a Yankee fan in a Met fan’s body.
Guts…or stupidity?
According to what was posted, the Twins may want as many as FIVE pitchers plus Gomez and F-Mart for Santna.
So you’re saying if the Twins said to Omar, “We want: F-Mart, Gomez, Pelfry, Humber, Heilman, Guerra, and Mulvey” and Omar said “No” you would accuse the Mets of lacking guts?
The Red Sox and the Yankees are talking 3-4 prospects/players for Santana. Even with the perceived lower value of Mets’ prospects, why on Earth should they give up SEVEN prospects/players to get Santana?
yes
I think the Mets should get Santana, and it would take guts if they do, but they haven’t NOT gotten him yet.
The troll calling the Mets second rate and pretending to be big market and also rans and won’t win a WS anytime soon and how NYers have no clue what it means to be NY is why I insulted him.
by lifelong NYers, I was referring to the Wilpons, not people in here.
my initial post was for Achillies400, sorry snake.
Trading seven prospects for Santana would completely gut the farm system. Yes, the D-backs traded a lot for Haren, but they have one of the best stocked farm systems in the league (if not the best). If one of the starters goes on the DL (and they always do), get ready for another season of Lima time, or Lawrence time, or Lohse-y time. I’d rather they trade both FMart and Gomez (plus others) in a deal as OFers are easier to find than quality pitchers.
I get the impression that at the end of the day, the Mets are competing mostly against themselves for Santana. If the Red Sox or Yankees really wanted him, the deal would have been done by now. Neither of them have changed substantially from their orignal offer; yet one week we hear the Yankees are the front runners, the next week it’s the Sox. Either the Mets will get Santana or the Twins will hold onto him.
Your comments are completely valid!!! What is entirely amusng is the bloggers who continue to create the riduculous trades of garbage Met players or unproven players for Santana. I wish they would discontinue this ridiculous minutia since it seems to make it appear that Omar had some talent in his bag when he has NOTHING! Nor has he developed anything!!!
why? the red sox do NOT need johan! and if im the twins, i should demand jacoby instead of coco in the deal. if the twins want 86% of our farm, demand at least two of their best players.
sell the farm tonight omar. this is it!!!!!
A rational thought. Go away, you have no place here.
neither do you. youre very bitter.
tina, your point is excellent. why in the world would the twins accept a deal that includes coco and not ellsbury? makes no sense. they’d be getting fleeced.
and, the fact that omar has to make his move now is dead on. if he doesn’t make a new offer, it’ll be too late.
coco-effing-crisp?
tina, you don’t take compliments well
thank you charlie! exactly what i was saying.
i dont achilles. the “you don’t belong here” thing must have got me. thxs tho. =)
Well, rational statements are at a derth in here, hence your rationaltiy seems out of lace! ;-)
*place
if ever there were a Freudian typo that was it
Where’s the couch, doctor?
Beware of Hankenstein. He is lurking. He is outside of Yankee Stadium, smokin a cigarette saying aloud…”these builders have until tomorrow to finish this stadium or i’m pulling out of the deal.”…….three weeks later. “hey, you guys want a raise?”
Point is, the Yanks are going to offer the most. They are waiting for Boston’s final offer. Our best shot here is that the Twins are rational and don’t decide to make the Yanks and Red Sox the overwhelming favorites in their own league for the next 5 years. Twins would sacrifice competitiveness over the next few years for a few prospects.
Granted, their prospects are higher end…but they’re still prospects.
there is also the wildcard of where Santana wants to play. Does he want to remain in the AL and pitch in one of the most competitive divisions, or would he prefer to spend the twilight of his career pitching in the NL (while still getting all the promotional advantages of NYC)?
We ain’t gettin’ none. Period.
I still think there are some under the radar trades that could be made and not rob our farm system.
I mean would Millwood and D. Cabrerra be better than Livan and Colon?
I can’t see how either would demand a top prospect?
Fans like Achilles don’t know anyone under the radar. They only know who Santana is.
Don’t feed the trolls. They eventually go away or change their screen name :)
No, they are multiplying and I am considering letting them have this infested blog.
don’t worry. as soon as the season starts, it’ll settle down. there is no yankee blog, so these trolls have no where to talk about roidger clemens.
They are the reason I do not post as much as I used to. Pure stupidity. I try not to read the comments or make them but it is such a slow work day I have to pass the time somehow
i think cabrera would cost us more than you think, but id take him over garcia/colon/prior. at least hes healthy and not an injury risk. not to mention if hes the 5th starter and really only needs to put up about a .500 personal record with an era below 4.6 then yea id definitely take him. he would be frustrating though bc when hes on hed be our best pitcher hands down but when hes off hed be game 162 glavine-esque.
Do you think he would cost that much if we took back Huff or Mora?
that would definitely lower his cost, id rather mora since hes RH. huff would make us WAY too LH oriented we’d still need someone to spell church and delgado. mora can play alot of positions and bats RH so id probably prefer him.
one of my buddies makes fun of me for reading the comments and getting annoyed…
cabrera cant even hit the strike zone haha
I don’t want to trade the farm for a pitcher we have to give a 7 year deal to, it makes no sense. Not only are you hampering yourself by depleting the entire system for the future, you’re taking a huge risk signing a pitcher to such a long deal, also possibly hampering yourself in the future. I say trade for Huston Street, sure up the 8th inning spot, and sign some one to a 1-2 year deal, like Livan, or Colon, someone. We need numbers.
i should add to this, if we do acquire Santana as some of you want, that in no way guarantees us anything, and if we didn’t win a world series with him, all of you would be complaining. One player doesn’t mean that much, i’m sorry.
Hence ARod.
ARod is a loser (albeit a rich one). He’ll go down as the greatest fantasy player of all time, all sports.
Right up there with Marino? I can’t call the guy a loser, its just that one player alone does not a WS win.
Can’t compare ARod to Santana. Santana can dominate a game. ARod can dominate 3 at bats and play a great 3B. Doesn’t help if you lose 11-7.
shore up
beane’s going to demand a lot for huston street.
johan doesn’t guarantee a WS title, but no one else will get us closer than he could. If he comes to the Mets, that makes us legit WS contenders and rightly so. If we don’t win a WS with him, we’ll all be disappointed and again, rightly so.
We are very close and a pitcher of Johan’s caliber will put us over the top. Why wouldn’t you go for it?
its true that 1 position player doesnt win you a WS, but you can ride 1 pitcher to a title. its just like the “hot goalie” thing in the NHL. if a guy can be like beckett and be a guaranteed win everytime out youre in pretty good shape.
+1
That’s a great point. Like you said, no position player, even one as talented as ARod can win a title by himself, but a pitcher that gets hot at the right time can take you all the way.
Case in point, look at the Red Sox, Beckett one them the title almost single handedly. Look at the 2006 Cardinals, they had total scraps win a title.
I know it’s a cleche (sp?) but pitching and defense wins championships.
It would seem that Beane would make him available, or listen to offers, now that the A’s seem to be in “rebuilding” mode. He would demand three top prospects for him though.
How about a package of Aguilera, Tapani, West, and Savage? worked the last time we wanted to get a Cy Young-winning lefty out of Minnesota….
Honestly tohugh, back then giving up 4 pitchers in a deal was unheard of. Now, we’d have to have include Jefferies and another position prospect to boot!
apparently Sweet Music is now coaching baseball at Lake Highland Preparatory School in Orlando, Florida for all those who the above post made think “where is he now.”
btw sweet music is the coolest nicknames for a pitcher.
agreed, hearing Vin Scully say it is like the baseball equivalent of (insert something you really really like here)
i vote that from now on, every single post that has to do with santana is no more than this…”santana, yada yada yada, sox, favorites, yankees, back in, mets, no prospects” does that about sum up every single thing that’s been written about the guy from every single media source out there?? i’d say it does…
+7
I actually, laughed out loud, instead of these liars who just write, “lol,” but don’t actually laugh out loud!
haha…glad to hear it, and i got a lucky #7…nice…
You are so right – It seems like the same post. But I still think the Mets are trying to get him.
I think the Yanks and Sox are trying to make sure the other does not get him.
since the sox are trying their best to keep him out of the bronx, perhaps a three-way trade could be in order…I mean I have no idea what the Red Sox could possibly use from us, seeing as they are stacked everywhere, but maybe packaging some of their lesser prospects that were discussed with our top guys could bring Santana here….Its just a thought I had, and I remember the Yankees doing something similar a few years back to keep Boston from getting Colon when Montreal was trying to move him
Silva would be my first choice, but we may not be able to outbid KC or Seattle.
Has Colon worked out? I’d like to see more than the 13 innings he pitched in September. i’d rather hand David Wells the ball if this is the direction we’re heading
all 3 players named here are just as likely to eat that ball if you hand it to them so get your hand away fast
santana, yada yada yada, sox, favorites, yankees, back in, mets, no prospects
I hope this entire offseason is a SERIOUS “call to action” to the Wilpons that they need to begin reviewing their talent scouts and player evaluators.
I dont believe the Mets have been close in any of these trade discussions simply because they lack the necessary chips to seriously compete with the Yankees or Red Sox.
Ken Rosenthal and most respected baseball columnists (with connections throughout baseball) have been reiterating this point for the past few months.
Consider this…
Do you think the Twins would rather trade arguably the best starting pitcher in baseball to another American League Team?
My guess is probably not (if they can avoid it) — Still despite this fact both the Red Sox and Yankees are the frontrunners. This is simply because the Mets cant compete with either of the packages offered by both teams.
Omar would need to include like 6 players to get this deal done (simply because we just dont have the quality and would need to overwhelm the Twins with quantity).
you can argue that the mets sytem had everything they needed this year. a good starter (bannister), excellent 8th inning reliever: bell (i don’t think he would have done it in ny), and a solid middle reliever (lindstrom)
the system isn’t that bad. it has more to do with perception based on a bad year. it’s silly, but it’s a factor. they found kazmir, reyes, and wright. i still think lastings and f-mart will be excellent hitters. gomez will at least be be serviceable. smith had a nice little start.
they just don’t have the right timing. i.e. players who are ready to play everyday in the majors who haven’t already broken through as stars (reyes, wright). their guys are too young (f-mart, guerra, mulvey, gomez)
What would Smith be worth if he finished the year the way he started? He’d be just shy of Joba-the-second-coming.
remember, PHILLIPS found kazmir wright and reyes.
i don’t hate phillips as most mets fans do. he did better than most mets gm’s (two playoffs; one ws loss). though the end was pretty bad. that had to do with the wilpons in my opinion (buy second rate product for a discount: no vlad. no a-rod, etc)
agreed thats basically a summary of a longer comment i made in the hampton post. phillips had his flaws but i think overall he was better than given credit for.
Actually, Omar found Reyes, during his last stint with the team
it is the job of management, namely Omar Minaya to correlate timing with player development and overall performance. It is DEFINITELY THE FAULT OF THE METS FOR THS SHAPE THEY ARE IN!!!
Santana is a pipedream, let’s face it- as much as we all are praying for “Santana-claus” to come to town. Just seems like there is way too much negative buzz (unfairly in some cases, and thanks to Silly Willie/Omar in other cases) about the Mets’ propects/farm system. And I think another big factor is that Freddie Coupons doesn’t want to pay Santana, unfortunately and stupidly- and though that disgusts me, this is playing into the Mets’ aggressiveness- or lack thereof.
Given all of the garbage on the free agent market (and Bedard being a pipedream as well), there is one move to make here.
Sign Prior.
This is exactly the kind of move that a BIG MARKET TEAM with one or two holes in the rotation NEEDS to make. 1 year, 10 million max w/ incentives. Very simple.
And if Freddie Coupons continues to pinch pennies and pass on Prior here and we see hiim get outbid by the Pirates or the Astros, etc., or some other small market team that we should be bullying around- well then yes, it just puts an exclamation point over what’s been 2 consecutives offseasons of dormancy/pinching pennies sandwiched around a horrific collapse.
Ante up, Freddie. 1 year, 10 million w/ incentives (6.5 million guaranteed). This team can certainly afford it given a new stadium coming, record attendences, SNY, 20 million in Citifield naming rights, and a 20% increase in ‘08 ticket prices.
Get it done Freddie, or you won’t get a penny from me.
Just sign Prior and sign an “innings eater” (Chacon, Hernandez, etc) in order to make up for the fact that Prior will probably be out for the first 3 months. Then you can envision a potential playoff rotation of a (hopefully healthy) Prior, Martinez, Maine, Perez, etc. for the playoffs- and Duque can be used in the pen (if he’s healthy- he’ll probably get hurt on September 25th just like in ‘06 and ‘07 though).
Plus I could envision Prior opening up Citifield in 2009. This team cannot go into a new stadium w/ John Maine their ace on opening day, I’m sorry. Perez and Martinez are free agents after ‘08- they may not even be back.
Ante up, Freddie. Sign Prior- do something to win back your disgusted, dejected, disappointed, ticked off fan base who has not seen the “big market” Mets make a splash in over 2 years (Wagner)..a fanbase that’s currently very ticked/enraged that ticket prices have been raised 20% going into 2008, when the Mets have been dormant and disappointing and basically haven’t spend one red cent (aka haven’t raised the payroll a dime) the past 2 offseasons. Cannot go into your final year before opening a new stadium as currently constructed and stay dormant/lifeless and continue to ‘penny pinch’ the rest of the offseason, just like last offseason- no way. Make a splash- SOMETHING to make us forget about the horrific collapse and the dormancy/disappointment of Omar’s past 2 offseasons…your fanbase is imploring you here.
Sign Prior- whatever it takes. Act like a BIG MARKET TEAM.
Otherwise just sell the team Freddie.
sellthemets.com? (hence sell the knicks) lol. :(
all i knwo is we have to make a move. prior would be nice, but we can’t bank on him. plus i think the astros want him.
and i can’t believe we can’t outbid kansas city/seattle for silva. hello? KC? if we know there’s nothing more but an outside chance of getting johan, we have to put more effort in signing inning-eaters like silva. i’m not his number fan but you must make a move.
+4 for Santana-Claus
I guess we’ve been naughty
That means we get Bartolo Cole-on in our stocking?
I wish he would sell the team!! How he can put Minaya in front of the fans as the face of the Mets disgusts me. They are not MY METS anymore. Just some Third World baseball team that because of Minaya plays in New York!
It’s amazing how little faith we all have in Pedro.
In five game starts last year:
3-1 with a 2.57 ERA with 32 Ks in 28.0 innings. He only walked 7 batters in 28 innings after being out for a year!
Imagine what a full spring training will mean to him.
No one questions his ability. It’s his durability that worries us.
Yes, seriously, we are imagining what a full spring training will mean for Pedro, and we imagine it could mean his arm falling off with all that work!
neither pelfrey nor humber nor duque should start the year in the rotations for the following reasons:
Pelfrey – will need to be called up from AAA when Pedro goes down at some point
Duque – will need to spot start and step into the rotation in case one of the other 4 goes down
Humber – what makes anyone out there belive this guy is any better than a guy like Jason marquis (who we could get for a rookie-leaguer at this point), he was a high draft pick? So was Paul Wilson, howd that work out…
Since the ballclub raises ticket prices completely independently of the payroll, I still don’t know why we didn’t buy Arod for 310M, trade Reyes to the Twins for Santana, and have the best hitter and the best pitcher in baseball on our roster going into 2008. I guess I’m just foolish for wanting to act like a team from NY. I forgot that the skanks are the only team that can spend money and make the playoffs every year.. my bad. After the collapse, this is what needed to be done. Unfortunately, the Mets aren’t big time. In over 40 years, we have 2 championships. The Marlins are our equals. Apparently, the little fish in the big pond mentality IS NOT WORKING.
Bottom line…. Livan Hernandez is coming here on a two year deal….Forget all this other talk about Santana, etc…. The Wilpons have no intention on spending more for this team right now. The have the season ticket level right where they want going into the last season at Shea.
I agree totally with your post. I had said from day one that they should have gone after A-rod. Then if the Twins wanted Reyes for Santana you can do it. What could have been????? A-rod and Santana = WOW.
I don’t understand why A-Rod keeps coming up – No matter what we offered, A-Rod was not coming to the Mets. He was getting killed in the media for opting out – Going back to the Yanks was his only option to save face, even if the Mets offered more money. I don’t even think we were allowed to negotiate with him yet – I don’t like A-Rod personally, but I do believe him when he says he wants to remain a Yankee. Our chance to sign him was years ago.
However – I don’t care what I read – I think the Mets can get Santana and are trying to.
i love pedro!! hes the best we got.
johan+pedro? i have chills thinking about that 1, 2 punch.
that 1-2 punch would be lethal…say hello to my little CHANGEUP!
Bugs Bunny is on the mound and the opponent is swinging and missing 3 times at one pitch.
Yeah but the difference is that money is no object with Dolan. If there was no cap in the NBA, he’d probably have a $300 million payroll. If Kobe and LeBron were free agents and the Knicks had the caproom and/or there was no cap- they’d be written blank checks and signed immediately by Dolan. He payed off Larry Brown’s $50 million contract like he was giving out candy- like it was nothing. Yeah he’s a bumbling moron and I wish he’d sell the team (Freddie should sell too)- but if nothing, else money is no object w/ Dolan and he is the anti-Freddie in that sense. And that is the biggest problem with Freddie Coupons- it’s all about “budgets,” pinching pennies, and maintaining as low of a payroll as is possible. I mean I’m not saying our payroll needs to be $220 million, like the Yankees…but it’s very embarassing that our payroll is HALF, and at times has been even less than half- of what theirs is. I mean come on. Half? There is no reason why the Mets can’t maintain a payroll in the 140-150 million range with revenues soaring and continuing to soar. And ticket prices get raised 15-20 % every year….I don’t see the payroll increasing 15-20 % every year, do you? It’s been between 100-115 million since around 2000. Ante up, Freddie. Read my Prior post, above.
Yankees salaries:
2007: $189,639,045
2006: $194,663,079
2005: $208,306,817
2004: $184,193,950
2003: $152,749,814
2002: $125,928,583
2001: $112,287,143
2000: $107,588,459
Sox salaries:
2007: $143,026,214
2006: $120,099,824
2005: $123,505,125
2004: $127,298,500
2003: $ 99,946,500
2002: $108,366,060
2001: $110,035,883
2000: $ 81,200,000
Mets salaries:
2007: $115,231,663
2006: $101,084,963
2005: $101,305,821
2004: $ 96,660,970
2003: $117,476,429
2002: $ 94,633,593
2001: $ 93,674,429
2000: $ 79,800,000
Angels salaries:
2007: $109,251,333
2006: $103,472,000
2005: $ 97,725,322
2004: $100,534,667
2003: $ 79,031,667
2002: $ 61,721,667
2001: $ 47,735,167
2000: $ 55,800,000
Dodgers salaries:
2007: $108,454,524
2006: $ 98,447,187
2005: $ 83,039,000
2004: $ 92,902,001
2003: $105,872,620
2002: $ 94,850,953
2001: $109,105,952
2000: $ 90,700,000
Tigers salaries:
2007: $ 95,180,369
2006: $ 82,612,866
2005: $ 69,092,000
2004: $ 46,832,000
2003: $ 49,168,000
2002: $ 55,048,000
2001: $ 49,456,167
2000: $ 61,700,000
Cubs salaries:
2007: $ 99,670,332
2006: $ 94,424,499
2005: $ 87,032,933
2004: $ 90,560,000
2003: $ 79,868,333
2002: $ 75,690,833
2001: $ 64,715,833
2000: $ 62,100,000
Recoton1…well said above.
The Mets and Freddie are a small market team trapped in a big market team’s body.
Well, it looks according to you, there are only two big market teams in all of baseball.
Make way for 4 years of Kyle Lohse! Omar, just tell all the kids there is no Santa Clause!
LOL
No Loh-she!!!!!!!!
Oh God no. Can’t we get Silva instead?
It’s a made up rumor by someone who works at Yahoo Sports for crying out loud. He even said the “could” go to four years. Every other legit reporter is denying that either team has any interest.
here’s what Kyle’s page at baseball reference has to say:
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Kyle’s 9-26-07 start against Hudson and the Braves was a thing of beauty from Section 113 at CBP. Before he makes millions as a free agent, here’s hoping Kyle can help the Fightin Phillies in the 2007 Post-Season.
What about signing Colon to an incentive laden deal? I think he can still pitch and moving to the National League can only help him
How about this franchise commits one way or the other???? Is it a win now team or not? I say it is not going to get better with guys like Delgado and Wagner here. Screw this Colon, etc… talk…. it’s time to retool, blow this mess up Omar. Otherwise it’s only going to get worse. Other than Wright Reyes, Beltran, and Maine, I could not care less about this current roster. It is NEVER going to win as currently put together
honestly this is why i think we should gut the farm for santana bc then we become a win now team with a very good chance to win in the future with a core of reyes, wright, beltran, maine, perez, santana. if we just stand pat we are built like a win now team with little chance to do so, and we are relying on prospects no one thinks are good to turn us into a win in the future team.
Mets are blowing away a golden oppurtunity. Just trade as many of the crummy prospects we have. None are EVER going to be the kind of player Santana is.
Thats the plan…but its not like a video game where you can force the other team to accept the trade…The ball is in Minny’s court, if we don’t get him, its because they don’t think our package is good enough
Well I have to head to public speaking for an hour but when i come back, maybe the mets will make a big splash! like signing loh-she, or fernando vina to a minor-league contract……..
Colon averages 16 wins throughout his career with an era around 4.10. Keep in mind these are primarily American league stats. He has only pitched 17 games in the National League from when he was on Montreal in 2002.
Thank you for your support among the record 3.85 million Mets fans who came out to Shea Stadium in 2007. Our entire organization looks forward to a return to championship excitement as we approach our final year at Shea in 2008, and we hope you will be part of it.
Omar and our baseball staff are aggressively exploring every opportunity to improve the team – through trades, free agent signings, or player development. Our Ownership is committed to provide the resources to build upon the nucleus of our ballclub – All-Stars Carlos Beltran, Jose Reyes, and David Wright; and a pitching staff anchored by Pedro Martinez, “El Duque,” 15-game winners John Maine and Oliver Perez, and All-Star closer Billy Wagner.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO!
LOL SHUT UP DONT POST THAT
its killing me
i shouldnt laugh because i love us.
We are not getting Santana, that is why Omar has made the offer to Lohse. That is why we signed Wise. I know that is to strengthen the pen. But with that said there is no way that Freddie or Omar are going to throw the cash, years or the prospects needed to get Santana. We might as well move on and go to plan B. I just hope there is a plan B. Also as far as Freddie and Omar are concerned why do we need to pull the trigger on a deal like this? They set attendance records last year, just increased ticket prices. Is anyone on this blog going to boycott games if we don’t get an ACE? I think the answer is no. We are METS fans we live for disappointment!
lohse should not be plan B he should be at best plan G or H.
or HGH
I agree, but I think Omar has his Alphabet screwed up.
I am cutting way back on my games this upcoming season.. probably just one game to say goodbye to ol’ Shea…
After last season’s collapse, not firing the manager and looking at SCRUBS to sign for the pitching staff, I am being sold a bill of goods and tired of paying good money to see Park/Humber/Williams/Pelfrey/Sosa/TBD pitch..
One thing that gives me a feeling that Johan isn’t necessarily going to the Red Sox or Yankees. I think if either team really wanted him they would have made the move already. I think both the Red Sox and Yankees are more worried about adding that kind of contract to there already huge payrolls.
The Red Sox wasted over $100 Million, last offseason on JD Drew and Julio Lugo. Plus Beckett will want an extension shortly as well. I wonder if they could handle Santana’s additional salary. The Yankees might be in worse shape, they just resigned, ARod, Posasda and Rivera. I am sure they aren’t ready to add another 25 mil a year for 6-7 years.
I know that both teams could easily afford adding Santans, I am just wondering if they really “want” to. This doesn’t mean that the Mets will definitely get Santana, I am just not conviced that the Red Sox or Yankees will either.
I can see both sides of the Santana arguement and will be a supportive fan either way.
Obviously Santana on next year’s roster makes us instant favorites. It guarntees us nothing but to be competitive it does not hand us the WS.
Opposite side of that is what we may be left with opening day Citifield. I know we are a big market team but that does not mean every player wants to play here.
So in 09 our rotation would be Santana, and Maine with imports unless we resign Pedro and Perez. Both are options but not definte. (I actually think resigning Perez is something we should do now and not wait until he has a breakout season). That’s a lot of question marks. I am not saying that Mulvey, Pelfrey, Humber or any of our other prospects are going to be aces or that they will take all 3 positions but it is realistic to think that at least 2 could be at a minimum back of the rotation starters or be used to trade for a midrotation starter such as what we did with Perez and Maine.
I guess what I am saying is that I would enjoy next near with Santana but I am not sure its worth the damage that it will do to our franchise.
Good comments today. I think the Sox and Yanks both have bloated salaries and are in this to keep the other out. I agree that we have to face that the Mets many not have enough to get the job done. There is a good possibility then that the Twins keep Santana and let him go at the end of next season. Then I think the Mets have an excellent chance to sign him in the 7 year 150 million range without giving up our farm system or at least keeping them for trades the following
year. So we will have to be fighters and lucky this year and see if the Mets can get it done in 2008. I’m OK with that. BUT that does not mean that Omar did a bad job. He has been in it up to the end and he just doesn’t seem to have enough chips. He didn’t stink last year…..Pelfry and Humber and Milledge did. In Omar I (still) trust.
according to Jon Heyman he says the Yankees will get Santana by Hank Steinbrenner overuling Cashman again, who doesn’t want to give up Hughes and wants to save the money, and the Yanks will get him with a package including Hughes, Cabrera, Jeff Marquez, and another pitching prospect..he did note not to count the Red Sox or Mets out of it while the Red Sox are waiting for a team to bend n give them wat they want