Comments on: Buzz: The Mets, Phillies and Lohse http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: stevengoo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69173 stevengoo Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:01:47 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69173 Lohse is still a RHP not a LHP... which is great next to his photo of him throwing righty... sorry Matt, it's been bothering me Lohse is still a RHP not a LHP… which is great next to his photo of him throwing righty… sorry Matt, it’s been bothering me

]]> By: recoton1 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69120 recoton1 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:03:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69120 From hotfoot.com: John Hickey of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reports that the Mariners are close to a four-year, $44 million deal with free agent Carlos Silva. Hickey believes the Mariners are likely to introduce their newest acquisition as early as tomorrow. Great, Silva and Lohse are off the market.. leaving us with Livan, Colon, and whatever other spare part is laying around the recycle bin. I wish they would just end it this offseason already and just hand us the bronze medal. They should rename this team "the Bridesmaids". From hotfoot.com: John Hickey of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer reports that the Mariners are close to a four-year, $44 million deal with free agent Carlos Silva. Hickey believes the Mariners are likely to introduce their newest acquisition as early as tomorrow.

Great, Silva and Lohse are off the market.. leaving us with Livan, Colon, and whatever other spare part is laying around the recycle bin. I wish they would just end it this offseason already and just hand us the bronze medal. They should rename this team “the Bridesmaids”.

]]> By: tinathemetsgrl http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69062 tinathemetsgrl Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:59:26 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69062 aww no problem! i just left you a comment thanking you too hehe =) aww no problem! i just left you a comment thanking you too hehe =)

]]> By: mikey_FF http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69055 mikey_FF Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:51:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69055 You're right, they don't have to announce anything ... because they are in the business of making money. That was my whole point. All your points are valid. I don't fool myself into thinking they'd actually say "we failed". I'm just cynical. That's all. I'm just tired of spin that I can personally see through. That's where my personal frustration comes from. I'll still root for the team because I'm a fan .... whether I'll spend money on tickets anymore ... that's another question. You’re right, they don’t have to announce anything … because they are in the business of making money. That was my whole point.

All your points are valid. I don’t fool myself into thinking they’d actually say “we failed”. I’m just cynical. That’s all.

I’m just tired of spin that I can personally see through. That’s where my personal frustration comes from. I’ll still root for the team because I’m a fan …. whether I’ll spend money on tickets anymore … that’s another question.

]]> By: Xavier22 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69052 Xavier22 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:38:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69052 Trachsel also had an ERA over 5 in his final year with the Mets. So those 15 wins were due more to the offensive support he got rather than his pitching ability. I'm not sure if he would have received the same run support from the 2007 team (in fact I doubt that he would have). I would definitely not want the Mets to sign Loshe or Silva to anything more than a 2 year deal at most. I'd rather they take a flyer on Freddy Garcia, and/or Colon or Prior and see what happens. You have to figure that once El Duque goes on the DL in June, that will be about the time Garcia or Prior might be ready to step up. Accordign to the MLB website, Trachsel has a dash next to his name where the team should be. So I'm assuming he's still unsigned. Trachsel also had an ERA over 5 in his final year with the Mets. So those 15 wins were due more to the offensive support he got rather than his pitching ability. I’m not sure if he would have received the same run support from the 2007 team (in fact I doubt that he would have).

I would definitely not want the Mets to sign Loshe or Silva to anything more than a 2 year deal at most. I’d rather they take a flyer on Freddy Garcia, and/or Colon or Prior and see what happens. You have to figure that once El Duque goes on the DL in June, that will be about the time Garcia or Prior might be ready to step up.

Accordign to the MLB website, Trachsel has a dash next to his name where the team should be. So I’m assuming he’s still unsigned.

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69050 gowrightgo Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:36:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69050 Actually on a different thread....one of the posters said and I paraphrase.... "given the reality that our prospects stink, it would have been nice to bump the payroll and pay for AROD to play ss and then turn around and trade Reyes plus a little for Santana. We would have lost reyes but gained a dominant bat in the lineup and the best pitcher in the game all while keeping and having the chance to improve the prospects we have at the higher levels" Come to think of it......that person was entirely right. AROD is all about the $$ and those set of moves while being completely bold would also have made the team the runaway favorites for the NL pennant and likely a team that could win the WS from Boston. It would have been gutsy and expensive but it would have been a huge improvement on the team. Now without having any real good shortstop move to make, we can not include Reyes in any deal for pitching and trading the entire farm for Santana still is no guarantee that they accept the deal Actually on a different thread….one of the posters said and I paraphrase….
“given the reality that our prospects stink, it would have been nice to bump the payroll and pay for AROD to play ss and then turn around and trade Reyes plus a little for Santana. We would have lost reyes but gained a dominant bat in the lineup and the best pitcher in the game all while keeping and having the chance to improve the prospects we have at the higher levels”

Come to think of it……that person was entirely right. AROD is all about the $$ and those set of moves while being completely bold would also have made the team the runaway favorites for the NL pennant and likely a team that could win the WS from Boston.

It would have been gutsy and expensive but it would have been a huge improvement on the team.

Now without having any real good shortstop move to make, we can not include Reyes in any deal for pitching and trading the entire farm for Santana still is no guarantee that they accept the deal

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69045 Hit The Weights Zeile Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:26:03 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69045 yea bellicheck was a great football mind when he was in cleveland. hes a good coach dont get me wrong but give him any QB other than brady or manning and lets see where he is. yea bellicheck was a great football mind when he was in cleveland. hes a good coach dont get me wrong but give him any QB other than brady or manning and lets see where he is.

]]> By: therealsince86 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69044 therealsince86 Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:25:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69044 Not for us he would not. At least not right now. He is seen as a commodity in the BP. I personally think we should use him as a trading chip and pump up his versatility. There is no doubt in my mind he will not resign with us so might as well get something while the value is high. Not for us he would not. At least not right now. He is seen as a commodity in the BP. I personally think we should use him as a trading chip and pump up his versatility. There is no doubt in my mind he will not resign with us so might as well get something while the value is high.

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69042 gowrightgo Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:18:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69042 While I get the frustration and feel it too....why would they announce the failure to secure top level pitching? First, Spring Training is not for another 2 months and the season does not begin for another 4. They may yet make a deal even if the prospects right now do not look good for that happening. They had no choice but to admit that the season showed mgt that both the rotation and the pen had weakness in it. They also admitted the catching position was a problem defensively last year and they were totally dissatisifed with Green in RF last year an the production they were getting. As I see it....they have addressed much of what was needed. In the pen, they jettisoned the weakest link in Mota and are expecting back a healthy Sanchez. Plus they signed Matt Wise who appears to be a solid pickup and they plucked that kid Register who may or may not make the club but is addition by subtraction at the moment with Sele gone also. In the catching area...regardless of the ba of Schneider....we know his OBP is actually better than LoDuca's for his career which is critical for a #8 batter plus he is worlds better defensively and likely better at calling a game. In RF, we got better by removing Green and placing in Church who at minimum will be around league average and have 30 more RBI than we got from Green. It sucks we were not willing to go to war with Milledge but maybe the mets know something we fans dont about the kid. You better hope so because that trade does not sit all that well with me. Now in the rotation, they lost Glavines innings but improved the production with the expectation that Pedro will be good and win 15 games. I see that as likely. Where we did not get better is at the bottom of the rotation. Pelfrey and Humber are serious ???. and no one else is coming. Hence, we have issues that we likely can not address this year. Probably not a ton better as a whole from last years team but we are incrementally better I think While I get the frustration and feel it too….why would they announce the failure to secure top level pitching?

First, Spring Training is not for another 2 months and the season does not begin for another 4. They may yet make a deal even if the prospects right now do not look good for that happening.

They had no choice but to admit that the season showed mgt that both the rotation and the pen had weakness in it. They also admitted the catching position was a problem defensively last year and they were totally dissatisifed with Green in RF last year an the production they were getting.

As I see it….they have addressed much of what was needed.

In the pen, they jettisoned the weakest link in Mota and are expecting back a healthy Sanchez. Plus they signed Matt Wise who appears to be a solid pickup and they plucked that kid Register who may or may not make the club but is addition by subtraction at the moment with Sele gone also.

In the catching area…regardless of the ba of Schneider….we know his OBP is actually better than LoDuca’s for his career which is critical for a #8 batter plus he is worlds better defensively and likely better at calling a game.

In RF, we got better by removing Green and placing in Church who at minimum will be around league average and have 30 more RBI than we got from Green. It sucks we were not willing to go to war with Milledge but maybe the mets know something we fans dont about the kid. You better hope so because that trade does not sit all that well with me.

Now in the rotation, they lost Glavines innings but improved the production with the expectation that Pedro will be good and win 15 games. I see that as likely.

Where we did not get better is at the bottom of the rotation. Pelfrey and Humber are serious ???. and no one else is coming. Hence, we have issues that we likely can not address this year.

Probably not a ton better as a whole from last years team but we are incrementally better I think

]]> By: advantgarde http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-the-mets-phillies-and-lohse/#comment-69040 advantgarde Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:14:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2007/12/19/buzz-mets-and-phils-make-offer-to-lohse-2/#comment-69040 As would Heilman if switched back to a SP... As would Heilman if switched back to a SP…

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