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According to George King, in today’s New York Post, the Phillies are no longer interested in free-agent LHP Kyle Lohse, because he will not budge from seeking a four-year deal.
King writes, “It’s believed the Mets have made an offer to the 29-year-old for four years, but it’s not known if it is for 
the $10 million per he is seeking.”
Earlier this week, Tim Brown at Yahoo! Sports wrote that both the Mets and Phillies had offers out to Lohse.
However, in a report yesterday for Newsday, Ken Davidoff wrote that the Mets ‘do not seem particularly interested’ in free-agent starting pitchers Livan Hernandez, Carlos Silva or Lohse, ‘unless their prices drop.’
In 34 starts for the Reds and Phillies last season, the 29–year-old Lohse was 9–12 with a 4.63 ERA, while striking out 122 batters through 192 innings.
…as i said before, while lohse is durable, he’s also hittable…basically, he strikes me as the kind of pitcher who, in the perfect ball park, when on his game, can be a great-looking pitcher, but every thing must go right…the thing is, if Mike Pelfrey or Philip Humber are still on this team’s roster come opening day, i’d just as soon start them over lohse…
How does a guy who finished over .500 twice in his career not budge from his 4 year deal?
Fine, give him 4 years for the league minimum.
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Why did Phillie lohse interest?
I don’t want him because I will rip my hair out every time he is referred to as “loshe.”
Just like “Farve.”
I don’t want a large Farva; I want a damn liter of cola!
The same reason Gil Meche went for a 4 year contract. I think Latrell Sprewell is their agent. If Lohse doesn’t get the contract, Latrell can’t feed his family.
Second rate pitcher breed second rate teams. Sign a big fish or groom what you have.
Seriously though, the Royals signing Meche at that contract is like a family on welfare buying a HDTV that doesn’t work.
See him heading for long relief by the end of the season. Salary dump after 2 years.
ARTICLE FROM ESPN
WHY ARE THE METS SO WORRIED ABOUT THE LUXURY TAX?
As recently as 2003, a $120 million payroll was unheard of, for any team but the Yankees. This year, the buzz is that at least seven teams — and possibly as many as nine — could top $120 million. The Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Dodgers, Mets, Cubs and Tigers are all projecting payrolls around that figure or higher. And the Mariners and White Sox could wind up in that zone with the right free-agent signing (or two).
So what are the luxury-tax ramifications of that? Zilch. The threshold for 2008 will inflate to $155 million (and probably affect only the Yankees and Red Sox). From there, the threshold zooms to $162M, $170M and $178M the following three years.
another reason omar will justify my 4 seats costing $1925.00 from $1600.00 last year
That’s not including the $27.50 warmish beers.
How are the Mets near 120 mil?
A couple players have raises from LY, including Beltran and Pedro….I think Delgado has one as well.
Despite losing some salary (Glavine, Loduca, Green, etc…) there are other players receiving significant raises. Beltran gets a 6.5 raise, Wright gets a 4 m raise, Reyes gets around a 2 m raise, el Duque gets a 2 m raise. Several players are also scheduled for arbitration, such as Heilman and they will get significant raises. Schneider and Church make around 5 m between the two of them.
Despite losing players, the Mets’s payroll is pretty much the same as last year’s without adding many new players.
The Mets arent near 120 mil yet.
The 14 signed contracts on the books are in the 95-99 mil range.
Oliver Perez and Jorge Sosa may get a decent payday through arbitration, even with thier awful 2006 numbers, but the rest of the Mets younger arbitration players are likely to get somewhere less than 1.5 mil, and a number of them will be renewed at around 0.4 mil.
This would put them somewhere in the 110-115 range, with room to spare to sign a starter or two to a deal.
My guess would be that the Mets are currently trying to save room to pay Santana 20m/y while still financing a stadium out of the profits of the organization.
Link?
Not that I don’t believe you. I want to see what numbers they are using. It appears to me there’s a disconnect there. The Mets this year were close to the Luxury Tax threshold and if they took on just one big contract could be close to the threshold again this year.
So I think your conclusions are wrong. Please give a link.
What some fans don’t realize is that the Luxury Tax is not calculated on actual payrolls. Rather it is calculated on average annual salaries, 40 man rosters, and includes costs for benefits. Because the Mets have a lot of back-loaded contracts, their LT payroll for the last few years and this year is higher than their actual one. This is not the case for all teams.
That’s why they were close to the threshold this year. That’s why I think your conclusions are wrong. There is room in the payroll for at least one big contract like Santana’s, however.
They should stay away from Lohse however. He’s worse than Silva.
This guy sucks.
I’d rather see guys that were once good get another chance. Prior, Livan, Colon.
Lima Time!
Boras is Loshe’s agent. I wonder what the “Book” looks like…
Lohse :D
I didn’t realize he pitched so many innings… almost 200. He could be a decent addition in a larger ballpark and a good outfield defense.
No he can’t !!!—He’s just not any good!!–Saw him plenty w/
the phillies last year and this guy is lost!!–he seems to have
pretty good stuff, which is why hes been in the majors at all
but he dont know how to pitch and Peterson aint coachin’ him
up because thats the story of this guys carreer. Like Tuna said he is what he is —A #5 even on a bad team,
I mean this guy one yr was 3-18 in the minors! in 35yrs I cant
recall ever hearing of a pitcher that unsuccesful in the minors
ever amounting to anything special. since ya know Scott Bozo
er, i mena Boras is gonna hold out for every penny just let
Pel, humber or Mulvey compete for the spot. Dont waste the
time(contract length) and money!
I don’t know. Lohse looked pretty good during the September sweeps.
I’d have to think that competition would get the best out of Pelfrey or Humber.
“He could be a decent addition in a larger ballpark and a good outfield defense.”
No, no he couldn’t.
I’ll post these numbers, again…
career ERA of nearly 5.00 (4.82)
career BAA of nearly .300 (.284)
career WHIP of nearly 1.50 (1.43)
1302 hits allowed in only 1164 career IP
Church and Alou negate the good defense of Beltran. Beltran is due for another “my legs don’t feel 100%” season. Big Puss…..
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=3161000
VCater, i just read it, its under the jason stark article……
I think I’ve just about had it with the Mets. Really. This is it, after 32 years, I can’t take it anymore. Kyle Lohse? Seriously? KYLE LOHSE??? I’m done. F this.
It’s a rumor, unbunch your panties.
bye.
Phillies lost interest in Lohse because they just signed Geoff Jenkins for 2 yrs at $13MM.
Jenkins did have 21 HR last year in 420 AB. That equatest to about a 40 HR season in Philly.
Damn that’s big for the Phillies. I did not want him because we do not need him but that makes their offense even better. Omar does not have to do something just to do it but there is added pressure with the Phillies continuing to get better.
As for Loshe, I hope that what we have offered him is something along the lines of 4 years at half of what Silva got. I don’t want a contract tying us down for someone who could very well be a long man. Even with that I would heavily front load the contract to make him tradeable after next year.
Good lord I can’t believe I am even debating the signing of Lohse.
At this rate, Philly is going to beat us 19 straight times next season. Their offensive bats are going to crush our paper pitchers…….Atlanta improved. Philly improved. Hell, the Nationals even improved. The Mets: Add Wise????????? If we are going to finish in second or third place this year, I would rather go with the youth movement now. Gomez, Pelfrey, Humber, Mulvey, anyone but the overpaid, oft injuried, wanning “stars” that we have.
Kyle Lohse translated from the original Danish means Brian Lawrence.
Are the Mets turning into the Oakland Raiders of Baseball? A place for over the hill stars to die?
Kyle Lohse will win 18 games for the Mets next year.
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Damn, that felt good.
Maybe the Port St. Lucie Mets…but that’s a stretch too
Brooklyn Cyclones? Wait no, we want to make sure our youngens get innings.
I WOULD GIVE KYLE LOHSE AS MUCH MONEY AS THE TEAM HAS…hes listed as LHP but based on the picture from this update he can also throw right handed
skillsets…goodbye…good riddance, go back to playing fantasy baseball where you belong where every person on your team is an all-star
same goes to anyone who claims they will not be a Mets fan if they dont somehow miraculously trade for one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball, none of which NEED to be traded and ALL can certainly demand more than the Mets have to offer.
I hate our rotation too, and especially when it probbaly includes two 60-year old Hernandez’s, however there is enough talent on this team to ride it to July when those pitchers MAY cost less…also we were a couple of innings away from a WS two years ago with the following rotation:
John Maine
OP (who was in AAA most of the year)
Steve Trachsel
Glavine
is Pedro, Maine, OP & El Duque any worse than that?
Well we did have Elduque then too but he got injured at the end of the season just like he did last year.
Is the rotation if on a video game worse, of course not. The only problem I have is the durability of the SP. That’s why everyone is saying we need an innings eater. So we don’t have to see Lawrence and Lima.
Maine and Perez have no durability concerns. Maine had the finger injury his first year with the Mets, but he’s stopped throwing his curveball, which caused the injury.
Pedro looked stronger with every start once he came back. I’m not too concerned there. As long as he doesn’t have to change any undershirts, he should be fine.
Duque will have a mid-year break, and that’s to be expected. Sosa can fill in while he’s out, and give us about 4-5 good starts.
And then, if we make no further moves, Pelfrey and Humber can battle for the fifth spot- maybe those two can take about 15 starts apiece, thus keeping their innings low while still getting the most out of them.
That rotation would probably give us around 70 wins on their own (I’d say at least 45-50 from Maine, Pedro and OP; 12-15 from the Duque-Sosa combo; 8-10 from the kids)- The offense and pen would have to provide 30 more wins, which they can. Adding Johan would only be a benefit of 8-10 wins, which yes, makes a huge difference, but the offense and pen would still need to produce 20 wins in the late innings.
Adding Johan would take some pressure off, but I’d be pretty happy rolling with the horses we’ve got. I certainly wouldn’t want to add Johan if it costs us Maine or Perez.
What are you talking about – Maine looked exhausted down the stretch for the last two seasons. Last year he he saw his ERA rise nearly 2 points.
he also saw his workload nearly double- he threw 140 innings in 2006, with 90 of those in the majors. This season, 191 innings in the majors. He’ll build on the improvements he made to his stamina this season, and most importantly, his focus should improve– as we saw from his last starts in 2006 and 2007, he can always reach back and pull something together for a “must-win” game; it’s a matter, for him, of pitching well in games when the Mets’ backs aren’t against the wall.
yes, one of the biggest keys to 2008 will be whether or not Maine and/or Perez can make the jump from being a developing #3 starter who can make 27-30 starter, up to a solid #2 who can make 33-35 starts. If they can do that and not wear down like last season (recall that Perez got a DL break because of his ‘tired’ back just like Duque does) then the Mets lack of an ace will be ok. If they dupilicant last years IP then it will be a rough and haggard rotation and bullpen by Sept 1st yet again.
Oh my G*d. I just don’t know what to say about the idea of Lohse being on the Mets next year, let alone 3 years thereafter. I’d rather actually live in philadelpha for 4 years (jk, of course I wouldn’t). He is just terrible.
I light of all this, and with Silva off the market, I just dont think Joe Blant is looking so bad. I am absolutely no way in favor of of trading the farm away for Joe Blanton of all people. But, j*sus H, I was reading previous posts from bloggers, and contray to the dominant opinion, Blanton is no scrub. He is only turning 27 this year, and he keeps improving every year. He is a super work-horse – 3 complete games and pitched 230 innings last year. During 240 innings, he walked 40 batters – 40! His ERA ain’t great, but Blanton is in control of every game. His team sucks, so they never give him any run support, but he keeps every game competitive. Remeber the game he pitched at shea against the mets? I guarantee he’d be fan favorite.
Plus, he’s fat. And, fat ball athletes are cooler than skinny ones.
That being said, I actually hope Omar does NOT trade F-Mart and others for Blanton. But, Blanton does NOT suck and should be considered if can be obtained at a reasonable price, and I tihkn trasinh heilman is reaosnable.
No way is Blanton coming at a reasonable price. Take one player away from what we think it will take to get Santana and you might have enough to meet Beane’s price.
IceMet, you have my respect…
“Fat ball athletes are cooler than skinny ones.”
That made me laugh out loud. Thank you
Blanton is not that good. His BAA two years back was over 300, and last year it wasnt too low.
they raise ticket prices 20%
trade milledge
lose glavine
and replace him with Loshe? im not showing up this year
Based on Similarity Scoring (BaseballReference.com) , he is tracking like Jeff Suppan and Steve Trachsel. If that is true, his best years will be his next four (ages 29-32), which are prime years for most pitchers. His durability and low BB/IP is a plus. Shea is a pitchers park and the Mets have a good defense. He could be a reliable #3 – 4 and worth it at 6-7 mil/yr based on the current market. Above that and I would have to question a fourth year. 3yrs, 21 mil would be fair. 4 yrs, 40 mil would be too rich for my blood.
Victor Zambrano would get 3 years // 21 million in this market. 4/40 for a real pitcher. Santana, if he signs with the Yankee’s is going to get 6 years / 180 million….Ridiculous, but true
If the mets give this guy 4 years and $40M, it will be the worst signing of the offseason by far. Horrible idea. Great story on this at the fleece factor:
http://mlbfleecefactor.com/2007/12/20/phillies-wisely-pass-on-lohse-are-mets-in-line-to-get-fleeced/
How about Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi? Now there’s a trade!
I was going to say that the Phillies would be better off with the supplimental pick and using a kid starter than signing Loshe.
4 years and 40 mil for a guy that isnt even a type B free agent? Loshe has be kidding right?
(If he insists on saying his name that way then thats the way I’m going to spell it, just like Brett Farve… )
If we get fat Blanton, Livan, or Wells can we hire Fitness Celebrity John Basedow to get them back in shape?