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At his blog for the Star-Tribune, La Velle E. Neal III conducts a Q&A with himself regarding the future of Johan Santana and Joe Nathan, among other issues facing the Twins.
Neal, on the Mets…
“I still hear that, unless the names Wright and Reyes enter the picture (and I doubt they will), the Mets have no shot.
The word at the winter meetings was that the Mets kept their name involved for PR purposes. This is an indication that the Twins may not be that fond of some of the Mets prospects.”
…i have heard this ‘PR theory,’ as well, and while i believed it to be the case then, i do not think it is so today…the Mets have interest…back at the Meetings, Omar Minaya targeted Dan Haren, a) because he is under contract, and b) he is not currently seeking a seven-year extension, like santana…and, as hard as this is to believe, the Mets, like most teams, are very much against signing a pitcher beyond five years, even if he is the best pitcher in baseball…so, i would not be shocked if the ‘public relations theory’ had been true…today, though, with haren having been traded to the D’Backs, and Erik Bedard being too costly, i know the Mets interest is legit…
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Their interest is genuine; their willingness to get him is not.
Yeah, so 29 teams are “interested” in Santana by your definition. But are the Mets going to stop up to the plate and give what is needed? No.
So, they can stop with their poor attempt at courting a big-time player when they have no intention of getting him (kinda like the Guerrero fiasco) to fool the fans. We won’t fall for it again. We don’t have the chips unless we give up Reyes and Wright, which I would not do either.
Move on. Stop trying to pretend like you’re going for the ace. It is not going to happen and all you’ll do is get your fan base more aggrivated when you fail to land him.
The Mets aren’t pretending. Metsblog is pretending.
makes sense. big run at a FA then a huge tilcket price increase. nah, I can’t see why would a couple of real estate hucksters would pull something like that?
When did Johan go on the trading block?
Sounds like something the Red Sox and Yankees might get into bidding war over and the Mets will just be told nobody likes their prospects.
“Unless the names Wright and Reyes enter the picture (and I doubt they will), the Mets have no shot”
Do we have any other prospects with the last name “Wright” or “Reyes” that we can give them then? Maybe we should acquire Anthony Reyes or Jaret Wright and then ship them off to Minny.
Sadly we released Jose A. Reyes. And thus our shot at Santana was gone…
Damn you Omar!
Why?!?! I knew Jose A. Reyes would be such a valuable player for us one day….
Right. Phillip Hughes is the equal of Reyes or Wright. Give me a giant frigging break.
Seriously, this story has gotten beyond old.
If the Twins would prefer to deal Santana in their own league, because they are moronic enough to think that prospects like Hughes and Ellsbury are in the same breath as established All-Stars like Wright and Reyes, then honestly they know what they can do with themselves.
If it’s indeed true that they are “insisting” on these two then they are on crack, and we;ll move on. santana will continue to have nothing to do with who wins the pennant in the AL and the Twins will guarantee they will never make it out of the next round in the next decade. If that makes them happy, more power to them.
We can all laugh when 13-11, 4.34 Hughes and .221, 12,68 Cabrera lead them to a 5th place finish in the AL Central next season.
nothing to do with the NL pennant, not AL…sorry
+10
It really is insulting to put Reyes or Wright in the caliber of these prospects. Just plain insulting. They’re both all stars who are legit MVP candidates.
I don’t think they are saying that Hughes or Ellsbury are on the same level as Reyes or Wright.
The way I read it is that the Mets don’t have the caliber of ML-ready prospects as Hughes or Ellsbury. Therefore, the Twins have two choices-
go for a smaller package headed by someone MORE valuable, like reyes or wright.
or
go for a larger package headed by prospects less valuable than Hughes and Ellsbury.
They just prefer the first option. In my opinion, by asking for Reyes, they aren’t equating present value or potential of Hughes/Ellsbury to him. They are just targeting players in each organization that they want and expecting the rest of the package to come together around them.
OK
what you say makes perfect sense.
I’ll take it from a slightly different angle. It’s insulting to ask for Wright or even Reyes for a pitcher on the verge of breaking anyone’s bank and on the walk year of his contract.
It’s insulting in and of itself.
Why are we all so positive Hughes is “ML ready”?
Last Spring Cash-man was adament that he needed another year of AAA seasoning. Once they burned thorugh the Karstens-Clippard crowd though they rushed him up, and outside of that Texas game he was hurt or mediocre all season.
Point taken, but they really think this guy is 100% ready to slot into the rotation? Typcial…if the Yankees are selling it, everyone thinks its gold.
I sure as hell am NOT sold on Hughes. I’ve always said that if I’m the Twinks dealing with the Skanks, my conversation starts and ends with Joba.
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I beg for this to stop!! I mean I find myself logging on every 10 minutes praying for “The Mets Got Santana” and all i am getting is not one person on earth believes the Mets has any chance. Well if this is the case, why are we still discussing? I know it’s December and there is nothign else to discuss but I never heard of a team so called chace for a player be so negative. I mean can Omar please come out and say that the Mets have no chance so us fans can complain and deal with it. At least we finally know that nothing is happening on that front. Man this could be the most frustrating pursuit of a player I have ever dealt with.
As for Blanton, Are they serious? 2 prospects and Heilman for a guy that granted puts up decent numbers but will NEVER be more then a #3. Please we can’t panic here! We have to save these names for either our benifit or a possible deal at the trade deadline for someone like C.C. sabathia (Who might become available). I wouldn’t mind Blanton one bit on the Mets but only at the cost of Gomez because that’s about as equal as it will get..
i think its so funny that anytime the name santana is in the post title, there are over 150 comments…
and everyone wonders why matt keeps posting about it.
What are your talking about?
Hughes is 21 years old. He still has 6 year control before he headed for arbitration, that value unlike Reyes and Wright cost too much money….
now i just saw on epsn, that the cubs are intrying to trade for
both brian roberts and erik bedard, and if they the players to
make the deal happen, so it probably look like the mets will get
shutout on bedard.
Dear Twins,
It seems to me, that in your world a math problem might look like this David Wright = Melky Cabrera + Hughes. Please explain as this doesn’t seem to make sense to me.
Thanks!
I actually think they would have to say that Wright < Cabrera + Hughes.
There’s the dollars involved. Cabrera + Hughes may not cost as much as Wright until 5 years from now. They are trading Santana because they can’t pay him.
And optimistic projections see Hughes as a future ace.
I think that would be their perspective.
If they were running an accounting firm and not a baseball team, you might be right.
But by that logic, if they are willing to stink to save money, then can do even better.
They can pull a Florida Marlins.
If I were the twins, I would not want to keep Santana in the AL. Which is why I do think the Mets do have a chance to get him. Prospects are prospects, just that…either way the Twins are taking a flier on a teams “prospects.” We could be laughing when Humber turns into Glavine with the Mets in 5 years(if we don’t trade him)…you never know…or crying if we trade Gomez and he becomes Beltran…its all a crapshoot – I would rather have proven players than a bunch of “prospects” especially if I had the money the Mets do.
That’s the thing. Even if Gomez turns into Beltran, we still win. Doesn’t Beltran for Johan sound like a pretty even trade? I wouldn’t even blink!!!
We would lose the opportunity to have another Beltran type player on the cheap for a few years, but that’s a small sacrifice to have Johan.
I expect Johan to contend for the Cy Young for the next 4-5 years. If we get that and give up a prospect who turns into Beltran and another prospect who turns into a Joe Blanton, don’t we make out as winners?
Beltran is the best offensive CF in his league, and his gold-glove defense means lower ERAs for every one of our pitchers. In terms of Win Shares, Beltran’s 2006 was the best season EVER by any Mets player, including Gooden’s 1985, including Tom Seaver’s 1969. A great position player is simply more valuable than an equally great starting pitcher, escpecially in the modern era when an “ace” pitches a mere 200 innings or so (less than one-seventh of a 162 game season).
Carlos Beltran is more valuable than Johan Santana. Carlos Beltran is more valuable than Johan Santana. Carlos Beltran is more valuable than Johan Santana.
I asked a perfectly good question and Matt blew me off. He chooses instead to post this drivel
What did you ask?
We can discuss in the comments section and points might be awarded. heh
THIS JUST IN:
Phils sign Geoff Jenkins
PHILADELPHIA — Outfielder Geoff Jenkins has decided to come to the Phillies, accepting a two-year, $13 million contract with a vesting option third season that could bring the deal to $20 million.
Great. Now they have their Alou. He’ll be great for the 95 games he plays.
Do the Eagles get Favre now? Sad to see the twins broken up in Wisconsin.
Don’t think this makes up for losing Rowand.
I think this is a decent pickup for the Phils (despite Jenkins year by year dropoff).
Im not at all satisfied with Ryan Church/ Damon Easley as the RF combo.
How come other teams are considered more likely to get him by pretty much prospects alone if they include enough, yet the Mets have to give up half their farm and one of their franchise pillars to be in the running. You don’t see them asking the Yankees for phil hughes and Derek Jeter, do you. If this really is the case I’d say just forget it and go after Blanton and/or a free agent for the back of the rotation.
They would never ask for Jeter and his waning skills and bloated contract
I was wondering… if we trade Wright for Santana, can we lure Chico Escuela out of retirement?
That wasn’t your question for Matt was it?
don’t trade reyes or wright.
i’m okay with the farm, but not these two.
how about the twins just keep johan, refuse any and all offers that aren’t the stars and the moon for johan and keep him for the 2008 season. they don’t HAVE to trade johan, nobody is forcing them too. and i honestly doubt he’ll be talking any long-term deals with the twins from now on after having his name on the trade market all off-season (and the fact they probably won’t give him 7/120ish. i hope he does become a free agent after the 08 season, and we go on an all out bidding war for him.
common sense is forcing them to trade him. and they will, but they’re not helping their case by making this entire debacle drag on and on.
They obviously overestimated Johan’s value as well as their own demanding powers.
Billy Beane, of course, played this entirely to his advantage and traded Haren for a ton of prospects.
of course it’s logical, to get value for him before he leaves them. but they’re making this extremely difficult and turning down every and all offers from us, yanks, and soxs.
obvious the most logical thing to do is to get him out of the american league (as the sixers did with iverson – totally different sport league, but it’s a great example.) that’s why i am so surprised the dodgers haven’t jumped on this.
Who’s to say they aren’t? Arizona landing Haren came out of nowhere.
Ya never know . . .
btw +3 on the AI analogy
thxs for the points love.
i sure hope they’re not like arizona when it came to haren. they could get a deal done instantly with guys like billingsley, laroche, loney, ethier, and kemp.
This Wright/Reyes for Johan diatribe is all media sensationalism. I’m sure the Twins prefer not to face their ace pitcher…hence trading him out of the AL is their primary desire.
Secondly, the Twins are holding on to Johan as long as they have to in order to get the best possible package in return. No harm, no foul there.
Also, we can’t assume the Mets haven’t been diligent in theri efforts. At best, all the Mets can do is make an offer and hope the Twins bite. Again, whatever offer the Mets make allows the Twins to use it as leverage for a better package elsewhere.
Finally, Blanton is an average pitcher who rarely K’s more than 3 batters a game. He may eat innings, but may also cost too much to get.
Assuming Johan cannot be obtained, the plan should be:
Go with the young kids, sign a reclamation project as back-up and move forward. Otherwise, the pitching alternatives currently on the market are just not worth it.
I can live with this plan.
Not only can I live with this plan I honestly believe this has been the only realistic path Omar has been pursuing all offseason.
Santana has always been (in my eyes) a “nice to have”, meaning that if Omar could give the Twins a reasonable package or “back” into the deal vs. the Yankees or Red Sox then he would do it.
But, I think all the while Omar knows that if he isnt close on Bedard and Haren then most likely Santana is a pipe dream.
Blanton averages 6 K’s per 9, 3.5 K’s per walk
He had 3 Complete games with 1 shutout. The Mets had 2 Complete Games all season.
1.2 WHIP and an ERA under 4.
Ahead of Hudson, Verlander, Maddux and Halladay in WHIP.
Ranked #12 in K/BB for all of baseball ahead of Haren, Lackey, Verlander, Halladay, Burnett among others and just barely behind Peavy
And this is all while pitching 230 innings. 4th most in all of MLB.
That sounds truly mediocre to me. Get a clue man
dont forget the 2 cgs were maines 5 inning rainshortened win vs was and glavines 6 innings rain shortened win vs the cards
Thanks I saw that when I looked it up and was like I do not remember a CG that brings it back to me the Mets did not have a 9 inning complete game. Good stuff
The Mets need to get off this seven year thing. Get creative on the contract or just pay the dough. It’s not like they’ll have to sign a 7 year contract next year. What is Ollie going to ask for seven years? Hardly.
Someone from the Mets needs to take someone who has Santana’s ear to the side – yes, it sounds like tampering but I suspect this happens all the time – and the Mets need to get the word to Santana that he’ll get his 7 years and that he needs to tell the Twins – Mets or no one.
That’s how this deal will get done.
Luis Castillo
Go earn that 4th year.
Didn’t think of him.
Dear Luis,
There is a daily flight from Santo Domingo to Caracas. I’ll pay the fare.
Tell Omar to get Freddy Coupons to agree to 7-years, $140M and Johan is ours.
Flight leaves at 5:20PM.
Call me when you land in Caracas. A car will be waiting to drive to Johan’s casa.
Can’t we just give them Steve Henderson, Doug Flynn, Pat Zachary, and Dan Norman? Should be enough to pry away a sure hall of fame ace, don’t ya think?
I think this is my favorite post ever
not mine. he/she just pulled random bad past mets players trying to be funny HEY HOW BOUT TYOSHI SHINGO, JEFF D’AMICO, DAVID NEWHAN, AND JOE MCEWING FOR A SURE HOF PITCHER RIGHT? HEHEHEHEHHE
Sorry, but they are not random at all. If you knew your Mets history you would know they all came to the team for the same player…..
Tom Seaver
Thanks, Franchise. Nice to be appreciated by someone who remembers true pain.
- 1,000
The reason we still have a chance:
1. NO TEAM is going to trade a player like Reyes (or Wright) for a guy who is going to next a 5-7 year massive contract extension up front. You don’t trade a Reyes for the right to pay massive amounts to someone. If Johan was younger, cheaper and under control for several years, then yes, you do it. Don’t expect the Red Sox or Yankees to cave in an offer something stupid.
2. Johan prefers New York (and possibly the NL). With a no trade clause, this does make a difference.
Because of the above, there is an outside chance.
I’m sorry to say because I’m usually quite optimistic, that I have to disagree with Matt on this one. I’ve long believed that the Mets are not exactly spearheading any operations to move in on Johan. It’s not exactly that Omar isn’t willing to, as I bet he is. I truly think the Mets do not have what it takes to convince the Twins to send him to Queens short of selling the entire farm. And I DO mean entire.
honestly if the twins are so hell bent on the red sox and yanks prospects then they can go shoot themselves in the foot and trade him to them and kiss any future WS or pennant hopes good bye in the process. someone needs to tell that GM to take a page out of the marlins book. they traded cabrera AND willis to the AL when we all know they couldve gotten just as much if not better prospects from the dodgers who were definitely interested in miggy. but they want to contend in say 3-4 years and they have a chance to bc not only do they get a group of young cheap talent but they also prevent their opposition from improving.
This whole Santana scenario is just a dk tease, I’m really getting tired of it. If the Twins want to trade him, then trade the f’ing guy, but enough is enough, I realize the Mets prospects aren’t that great, but the package that the “frontrunning” Red Sox have put together is crap. From here on out I’m not even thinking about Santana until I see him on a podium wearing a Mets cap with Omar’s goofy smile next to him.
I just can’t wait until opening day at Shea, Johan on th emound for the Mets, and he gets boo’d walking off the mound after WIllie has to pull him in the 4th inning.
Hey, you know that there are fans that would do it, right?
TO be honest…It sounds like the Twins GM is paralyzed in fear of making a mistake.
He has likely gotten the best offer from each team that he is going to get. No more amount of waiting around will produce different results or more names thrown in. Boston, Yanks and Mets have delivered their offers. Twins said no to all of them obviously (since he is not dealt). But the GM keeps going back and asking where are you now. Omar, Theo and Brian keep saying…same place we were at yesterday.
It is up to the Twins to decide to trade him or tell the world he is coming back and they intend to let him play out the balance of his current contract as a Twin.
Move is yours MN. Sh*t or get off the pot
If I were a Twins fan right now, I’d have one foot out the door. The team should be contracted if they get rid of Hunter AND Santana. What a joke for baseball.
They’re saving their cash to keep Mauer and Morneau around long-term.
They flat-out can’t afford Santana, and Hunter is not the type of contract the Twins need to get tied up in–Hunter’s 32 and his skills both in the field and at the plate will only deteriorate over the next 5-6 years.
i think the twins gm is getting gun shy. this is not a hard decision. if im the Twins gm who do i want to trade santana to w.o getting burned at the stake…the hated yankees, the evil empire that has beaten us in the playoffs multiple times….the defending world series champs who will eliminate any chance my team has at winning a pennant or WS in my tenure…or the mets whom id only have to face if my team makes the WS, which isnt likely until at least 4-5 years from now when santana is 34 and most likely no where near as dominant as he is now. im not the smartest guy in the world but seriously whats to hard about this.
To be honest with you thats the only reason why the Mets are even in it. The Twins would only have to face Santana if they reached the WS and I doubt they will with Boston and the Yanks being so much better. I honestly see them keeping Santana unless Boston or the Yanks gives them a package that blows them away.
Were we Twins fans, it would suck if we lost Santana and Hunter . . . and all we had left was former MVP Justin Morneau, all-world catcher Joe Mauer, a former pitching phenom in Liriano whom everyone is forgetting about, a fantastic young outfielder in Delmon Young, and a number of pitching prospects on the horizon.
Sure, it aches to lose guys like Hunter and Santana, and I’d be cursing the big market teams (especially L’Enfant Steinbrenner and “Red Sox Nation”), but also understand that this team is not without stars still on the roster. Much worse to be, say, an Orioles’ fan, with the aforementioned teams gumming up your division.
Contract them? With Mauer, Mourneau, Delmon Young, Cuddyer and Liriano? If they get a good haul back for Johan they’re contenders.
I agree gowrightgo. The ball is the Twins park, so get on with it.
I think they can’t get what they want and the cost of a 7 year contract to Santana is causing the front runners to hold back because of that. So there is a good chance that this will drag a while and the Twins will say its over and keep Santana until near the trading deadline to see if they can get more for him then. Which I think they will.
Maybe the Mets can get back in it then. Otherwise I’m rooting for Santana becoming a free agent and then we see if the Mets have the balls to go for 7 and 150 mill at least. There is no PR in that situation. Until then Omar is doing all he can do. Survive and thrive.
Maybe I’m wrong, but haven’t we been hearing this whole time that the Twins don’t want anyone in return who is going to be a financial burden …?
If that’s the case, then why would the Twins “insist” on either Wright or Reyes, who are guaranteed millions over the next 4-5 years ….
Their contracts are affordable for superstar level players…. they would find the money for Wright or Reyes…not that its going to happen.
I think we should offer Prior a contract he can”t refuse. We can offer him more tan he is worth since the mets seem less concerned with money and more with years and Prior has already said he wants a 1 year to proove himself so he can get his pay day next year.
That is my solution. We over pay Prior and pray to the health gods. At the very least it gives us leverage to say we do not NEED to make a deal so these other teams stop thinking we are desperate enough to give up 5 prospects for Santana.
That way if we can’t get Santana, Bedard or Blanton (who I am not conviced he is the ace we are looking for although by far a superb # 2 guy) at least we have someone to spell El Duque for half the season.
Thoughts?
Prior is shot. I predict he’ll never throw a meaningful pitch in the Major Leagues again.
I agree that he is injury prone, but the guy is only 27. Most pitchers doon’t even break the majors until 26-27…plus I think the cubs trainers suck. They could have done something to Prior and wood that would have helped them to be more resilient. Besides it is not a long term committment. If he doesn’t pitch we loose 1 year and money. I think we need leverage so we don’t look desperate for these guys. Then we can say we are satisfied with our rotation of Pedro, Maine, Perez, Prior and El DUque/ Pelf/ Humb and Santan/ Bedard/ Blanton are just icing….
Ah…another day, another writer, another opinion on the Mets getting Santana. So in the last couple of weeks, we’ve had:
1. “Mets/Twins have pretty much agreed upon the players, just need to work out the contract.”
2. “Mets decline trade for Santana involving F-mart and Gomez.”
3. “Mets have not talked to the Twins since the Winter Meetings.”
4. “Mets have no shot at Santana unless they give up Wright or Reyes.”
It is so great seeing supposed “great” writers think they know everything that is going on with Santana.
Prediction:
We will not get Santana.
We will overpay for Blanton late in the game, with Beane taking advantage of media and fan pressure on Omar. We may very well end up giving up F-Mart to do this.
Unless the previously mentioned Gomez package would work, I’d just stand pat.
if we trade fmart for blanton, this site will have no more posters left bc we would have all jumped off a high ledge.
I hope management gets that message — the fan base is savvy enough to know that if Blanton is all we get for F-Mart, we’re revisiting the strategies of the Kazmir era.
That’s a bogus comparison. “F-Mart” is no Kazmir and Zambrano was no Blanton. You bitch about the Mets front office yet you’ve fallen for their Martinez hype hook, line, and sinker.
The “hype” is coming from a lot more quarters than the Mets’ media machine. Martinez is a legitimate top prospect. And NO, the trade would not be perfectly analogous. BUT, it would suggest we’re selling our best prospects for the chance to “win now”, even when we’re not getting a pitcher with a long track record in return.
And I have NOT been complaining about the front office (though I thought the Milledge deal was inadvisable, if not the disaster that some people think it was) — just predicting I may have something to complain about. I don’t actually think Santana is available for a sackful of B/B+ Met prospects, nor could the Mets have competed for Haren. The Orioles have all the leverage in a Bedard deal. I have a gnawing sense that there may have been some creative moves out there that weren’t made (like the Phillies’ move for Lidge), but I can’t point to any.
Gavin: Prediction, you’ll be calling me, to ask if you can come and visit him, before the month is out.
Jerry: Prediction I never see you or him again for the rest of my life.
That’s pretty deep in the Seinfeld vault, there.
Does this site get a nickel every time the words Johan and Santana are written?
Everyday there are two or three postings about this topic with absolutely no news regarding this.
Move on people!!!
Wait, why is it that we all know the Sox/Yankees have talked extensively with the Twins but with the Mets it’s might have or ‘think they have’
Are they or are they not? If they are not doing this for just ‘pr’ what are they doing about it? It just feels like a load of bs (Not you, Matt) because nothing really EXISTS that is tangible, regarding their ‘interest’ or negotiations. What is physically TAKING PLACE, exactly?
The Mets only acting interested for PR purposes?
NO…..THEY’VE NEVER DONE SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEFORE!
I told all of you, all this garbage about Omar “saving his chips” for a trade that doesn’t exist. Now we have no Santana, old Castillo for 4 years(!!!) and Ryan Church.
Start cleaning your desk out now Omar
Why is this the only site/source that ever claims that the Mets have a chance in hades of landing Santana? No other news agency, including Rotoworld, ESPN , Yahoo or CBS Sportsline usually bothers to mention the Mets name in the Santana mix. Omar can have as much “interest” as he pleases, the fact is that the Twins don’t like our prospects (I could post the 500 or so links that say this, but I’m sure everyone has read this statement about 100 times) and WE ARE NOT GETTING SANTANA!!!!
I just don’t understand why this site reports we have a chance of getting him… sure, it’s a blog containing your own opinion, but how could this be your opinion in the face of all this other authority to the contrary?
You know i understand that this guy is a damm good pitcher one of if not the best pitcher in the game, but is he really worth giving up everything we have then paying him 150+ mil ? the answer is Absolutly not.
i think what the mets need to do is the following go talk to Pittsburg again , See if we can aquire Snell and bay, i pretty much sure that there looking for offensive production so Possibly Degado and and us eating his contract maybe? and if we gotta throw in a bunch of prospects lets do it lets see if we can aquire nady too?
Dude if you’re gonna give up everything you got, don’t use it to get a motley collection from Pittsburgh. Johan is the gold standard.
If you’re paying diamond prices, get a diamond, not some fugazy from a guy on the corner
Look a Combination Of Bay (LF) (RF) Nady And SNELLL
PEDRO-MAINE-PEREZ-SNELL-LOSHE I WOULD BE MORE THEN HAPPY WITH
THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR SEEING THE SANTANA WILL BE A FREE AGENT THEN YOU SIGN HIM ( IF HE DOESNT GET TRADED THIS YEAR)
they have two trade him now that they shoped him around(we are not gonning to get him but some one will)
Favre Football…
Great, hard hitting letter….
No need to pardon your French, Charlie. It’s justified…..and totally called for!
+1000
You’d best be careful, Charlie. I’ve seen guys get banned for saying less than that.
lol howd that slip through the comment section?~!
Because is it soooooo true, even the censor had to let it through.
I hope Matt knows that in two plus years, that was my first curse in a post. It just shows how damn frustrated I’ve become.