You cannot be serious bringing up Wright’s as part of the cause for the collapse?

First of all, how does a letter to Fred and Omar blame the collapse on Willie. Second, those who defend Willie by blaming the collapse on injured outfielders and Wright truly have their heads up the Christmas trees.

What OF was injured during the second half of September? What were DW’s numbers in September? Willie was not entirely to blame for the collapse, but he played a major role, which OF injuries and Wright did not. Grow up.

FBones,

I wasn’t blaming Wright at all. Don’t take that out of context to try and make me look silly.

I was simply saying, you blaming this on Willie, would be like me blaming the collapse on Wright, Reyes, and Glavine. It had nothing to do with any one individual. The wheels just fell off. That’s the bottom line. Can’t blame Willie unless you blame the roster as well.

Agreed..I never blamed Willie or any one particular person. The wheels did fall off. I just feel like even mentioning Wright’s name is ridiculous. He is the one person that without a shadow of a doubt had nothing to do with the collapse.

Chris,

Go ahead and blame Willie. I wish you guys could just remember the days of Jeff Torborg and Art Howe. We have it very good right now.

None of the outfielders were injured in September, but as we saw, one game can make a difference in a long season. The bottom line is, they had to win 2 more games in September and didn’t get the job done, I understand. But, winning two games in June is the same thing, right?

Fine, want to look at Wright’s September numbers? OK, he was very good. But there were times where he failed too. How about the throwing error against the Marlins when we were up 3 runs in the 10th? Everyone hesitates to criticize Wright. I love the guy, but he shouldn’t escape criticism….especially when everyone is so quick to blame Willie for everything. Willie and Omar have done nothing but win with a historically losing franchise.

Yea, let’s get rid of them. Makes sense, if you’re a history buff.

Chris,

Also, sorry I should have specified I was looking at the name “thankyouwillieforanamazingcollapse” and responding to that.

Torborg and Howe? Try living through Torre and Bamberger. Thank Bob that “Catch the Rising Stars” became a reality one year later in ‘84.

dannyb, im no history buff, but what the mets did was absolutely one of if not the worst collapse in any sport. its hard to blame just 1 person but it is kind of pathetic how NO ONE took the fall. and honestly what has willie randolph done to earn immunity from criticism or blame, 1 playoff birth? wow impressive.

It’s a no brainer, if you are the owner of a team moving into a new building in a year and you LOVE uncertainty. At least they have a little bit of stability and certainty right now.

I just don’t understand why people want to get rid of Willie. I don’t get it. The team underperformed in 2006? They lost their top 3 pitchers in the last month of the season!!!!! They swept the Dodgers and faced a Cardinals team that obviously had destiny on their side. They beat three superior teams. That’s why the playoffs are a crapshoot.

People want Willie fired because the team played without heart, spirit, or motivation during the “collapse”. He has been consistantly out-managed since taking the reigns here. People always agree that he is a poor in-game manager (never suicides, wheels, hit/runs, bunts appropriately, double-switches, etc…), but that he was a good clubhouse influence. Well, in light of the collapse, that must not be true either. So you have a manager that isn’t very good in game situations, and also can’t pull the team together to muster up a win. So what are you paying him for? Why keep him? I guarantee that if they did not give Willie an extention, he would have been fired on 10/2. Wipon is not going to eat the dollars on his contract so they package it as “giving him a shot and believing in him.” Basically, the same way that Omar is spinning us not making any offseason moves. The Met faithful that has lived and died by this team for decades are getting tired of getting p!ssed on and being told that its raining.

amen

I know Wilpon won’t eat the dollars….he is certainly no Dolan.

Fine, you can easily fault Willie’s in-game managerial skills. But don’t fault his pedigree as a winner. The guy has won World Championships. He knows how to win and he knows how to lose. I understand this was one of the greatest “collapses” of all time, but you can’t fire a manager that has taken us to the playoffs and was on the verge of doing it again before some freak anomoly in the last month of the season took us out of it.

Question. Is it a coincidence that this team has been very competitive in 2 of 3 seasons and dominant in the other? Maybe it is, but the guy deserves at least one more year. How many seasons in the past has this team just been unwatchable? You may blame it on the talent level, but they spent money in the past and have gotten nothing out of it. I think Willie deserves this season and Omar deserves this season and next to get us to a World Series. If we miss the playoffs this year (acquistition of an ace nonwithstanding), then I’m with you and a change has to be made.

I just think that this team finally has a little stability and it would be nice to see a manager and GM stick around and be successful. As I said before, the “collapse” was more of an anomoly than anything else. If they played that last month of the season 10 more times, we would make the playoffs 9 of those 10.

Can’t put all the blame on Willie. That would be a knee-jerk reaction that this franchise has been guilty of too many times in the past.

Whatchoo talkin’ bout Jay?

Made me think of my favorite headline ever…..”Robin is Batman”

I think that headline was Robin AND Batman, referring to when the Mets introduced both Ventura and Rickey Henderson on the same day. Maybe you are thinking of another headline……

When Robin Yount had that amazing season, he was called “Robin the Batman” on the back pages of the Post.