The Royals have signed free-agent C Miguel Olivo to a one-year contract, with an option for 2009.
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You mean you can get a good “defenisve minded” catcher without trading away a future all star?
(Yes I am still bitter)
Who Olivo? He is not a defensive minded catcher and they guy swings at every first pitch. No plate discipline at all. I would rather have Estrada than Olivo.
He doesn’t swing at every pitch, he swings at every Jose.
bada bam!
And Jose throws every Sandy in front of him.
lol
+2
i’ve never seen Reyes side step behind Alomar so quickly.
And you can tell Alomar’s thinking, “I better protect my guy or else I’m outta here.”
Except when he is singing Reggaeton and people are throwing tomatos at him.
He threw out over 30% of baserunners last year.. 4th highest in the NL…
I know the blocked ball arguement and what not.. can’t find stats on that… but 4th best against runners against him seems defensive minded to me.
Not saying your numbers are incorrect but i heard Schneider through out 31.4 and he was 4th best..
http://jinaz-reds.blogspot.com/2007/11/player-value-part-3c-fielding-catchers.html
Schneider ranked way better than Olivo
As per ESPN Olivio was 4th best:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3169748
Again stats are stats.. the point is Scheinder and Olivio are pretty similar.. one cost nothing.. one cost a great young talent.
That is the only point I made..
+3, if you add “potential”
and i’m still bitter as well.
right…cause Olivo would have been a wonderful fit with us, after he bashed us both verbally and physically after that mini brawl the last weekend…
If I recall he said something about hating the Mets..the last thing we need is our team to not get along…
and yea…defensive minded?? eh…maybe…a little..but damn his offense is horrendous..yeah he can hit a bit..but come on ..he just swings
I am not saying the Mets should of signed Miguel Olivo.. just saying avg catchers who play good defense are not worth a (potential) all star player like the mets gave up for Milledge
And seriously people..Schnider is a black hole at the plate… if you think any differently you are fooling youself..
i’m not happy with the milledge trade..but at the same time…milledge was still a PROSPECT…and i’m holding judgement until we see what he becomes…
and no i’m not considering Schneider to be great at the plate..but as shown..he can at least get on base..take wallks…etc…
Great.. take a walk batting 8th.. that’s gonna be a HUGE help…
The mets pitching staff should be setting all kinds of RBI records this year..
you don’t understand the idea of clearing the pitchers spot do you???
Ha.. great.. let’s trade more young talent so we can “clear the pitchers spot” about 35% of the time
That otta fix thix team!
…and there was much rejoicing
…from the starting pitchers of the AL Central who now have 3 quick AB’s every night to help keep the pitch count down.
What do you think the Schnide is? If they re-named him automatic out no one would know the difference.
Schneider : 235/326/336
Olivo: 237/262/405
And Schneider likely won’t hate the other players..
Are those number supposed to prove that Olivo is worse hitter then Shcneider? You’re kidding right? cause is obp is .64 higher for one year?
Give me a break.. this wasn’t my original arguement.. but if you gave me the choice of Schneider and Church or Olivo and Milledge on my roster.. I choose Olivo and Milledge every time.
wow 326? that’s almost as good as the NL MVP
Church and Scheinder are in their 30s.. they are not getting any better.. what you see is what you get..
And trading away Milledge at apparently his lowest value.. for those two.. is horrendous.
Milledge doesn’t need to do anything else in his career for this trade to be a joke.. at one one time he could of brought us players like Manny Ramirez or Barry Zito.. and now he brings us two spares parts who have already peaked..
I can apprecaite you being optimistic.. and really this has gotten more serious then I thought.. but there is no way we got fair value for Milledge.. the trade is a joke.. a chip on his shoulder is the missing piece for a guy like Milledge.
I see what your saying and I agree…if milledge is really looked upon that badly by teams, we made a bad trade..but yes, I am an optimistic mets fan…
I’m hoping for the best, but not particularly expecting it…
And dude, this hasn’t gotten more serious than it is…if I gave you that impression than I’m sorry…
i’m bored at work 2 days after xmas…and I’m the type that when I have the time, I enjoy a debate, especially about baseball
At least you don’t act like firemetsmanagement :)
“…off the Schneid.”
Something tells me we are going to be hearing lots of that this year (lots of miserably prolonged slumps).
Back to your original arguement. As evidence by Schnieders walk totals alone we can see that he does not swing at every first pitch he sees. I wont even bother looking up the stat, but I am certain he sees plenty more pitcher per AB than Olivo.
btw, the Mets already have a Miguel Olivo, his name is Ramon Castro…
Here’s my reaction to this: “Oh.”
lol
Way to go Omar! Sleeping at the wheel again!
???
don’t we already have a couple catchers?
we let estrada go, so we needed another one
Why do we need another one? Are Castro and Schneider not enough?
-10 for not paying attention…
oh yeah. I take this back then ;-)
Don’t just regurgitate “asleep at the wheel” Omar comments every time another team makes a trade. Geez.
But I do agree. Carlos Gomez is pretty fast.
Geez guys, its called sarcasm. I’ll make sure I’m more clear next time.
I was just breakin em. I do that from time to time.
I understand the unrest.
To me, the question is not “Would we be better off with Olivo than Schneider?”… it’s “How were the Mets so inept that they completely misread the market this offseason?”
If you think back to October, word was the catchers we wanted most were (a) Molina, (b) Hernandez and (c) Olivo.
Problem was, according to Mets insiders, the cost was too great. In fact ,sources “knowledgable about the Mets thinking” said those crazy, unreasonable Marlins were demanding Milledge or Gomez. And there was no way – NO WAY – we would mortgage the future without bringing back a much bigger return than a weak hitting catcher. Otherwise, Omar was “very comfortable” going forward with what he already had.
So we signed Torrealba, reneged on the deal, and wound up trading for Schneider…
And then, guess what — the Marlins, who we’d been told were demanding we trade a young stud or two for Olivo, simply released him… making him available for absolutely nothing.
So, to recap, so far this offseason, we have:
(a) Traded Milledge to get a catcher even though a guy we allegedly wanted more was later available for nothing.
(b) Signed Castillo to an insane four year deal (I’m a big Castillo fan and I’m sorry , 2 years with an option, tops) when again, a guy we supposedly wanted more (Eckstein) would have been available for much less.
Is this Monday morning QB-ing? Yup. Is it unfair? Maybe. But Omar got some great press for offeasons in the past. He deserves some accountability this time.
+5, good analysis
I usually don’t read these long-a55 posts, but this one is pretty good. Is in hindsight/unfair? Of course. That’s why we’re always right. Either way, Omar and crew was way off on judging the market this off season.
Right, Olivo was later available. After many teams signed other catchers. Did you want the mets to wait and see if he would be released?
Again, Eckstein was later available. And signing isn’t bad, we lock up our 2B for a few years. He plays great D and is a decent #2 hitter behind Reyes and in front of Wright. 2B isn’t a position you get much hitting from unless you’ve got an Utley or Uggla type. Eckstein didn’t want to play 2b, defense not as good as Castillo, wanted more money and years.
So what’s the bid deal?
I meant, “And the Castillo signing isn’t bad, etc….”
We’re kicking ass over on busted coverage.
Eh, at least he’s out of the division. No more of those late inning homers we give out to scrubs like Olivio.
or late inning beatdowns on reyes.
Fire Isiah.
Who should the knicks starting 5 be?
any five from the courts of rucker park, decrease ticket prices, pick up #1 draft picks for the next 10 years.
I heard that the Knicks were looking to trade for Santana also.
thats crazy enough that it just might work
Nate, Crawford, Q-Rich, Lee, Balkman
Go undersized but guys that want to play. The lineup still sucks, but Isiah put it together. Only has himself to blame.
Q-Rich has no place on a basketball court. He is so bad and worthless if his shot is off.
I just think he should start so he doesnt get into a fist fight with Isiah. Although, that would be pretty funny, so I can live with benching him.
Isiah’s dangerous. He said it himself. It’s a matter of life or death. hahahahaha That guy’s such a clown.
But Marbury has so much $hit on him. You wouldn’t believe what Marbury has on him. I can’t wait for the book / movie / mini-series.
Did you hear that L-Millz to the max is going to narrate the “5hit” on Isiah? True story.
That is awesome! Can’t wait for that to come out. Hey, being that Starbury is hanging out with LMillz now, do you think he’ll add “Bend Ya Kneez” to his already infamous reportoir of “Get in the truck”?
fire isiahhh firee isiahhh sell the knickss
How long before pitchers and catchers report? Can’t come soon enough so we have real things totalk about.
7 weeks ago, didn’t you hear?
Sorry, I missed that. I was to busy making my Johan welcome to Shea sign.
remember to staple dollars on to it.
Damn, I hope I can lift it when I’m done!
If not, you can just see our clubhouse attendant.
PG Jamal Crawford can score
SG Wilson Chandler
SF Zach Randolph can score
PF Davis Lee can rebound
C Randolph Morris
Could they be any worse?
How about Schneider at C? I hear he’s good defensively.
hahaah
+7
Only one with any semblance on the Knicks that shows any gumption of wanting to help the team is DAVID LEE. He is the only keeper on this absolute disgraceful team.
These thugs got their ludicrous contracts and now they are all out to lunch. 1/2 a$$ing it to the max.
That is why you just don’t give every athlete a multimillion dollar deal.
Look at Curry – he is the disgusting epitome of getting hte money and not earning even 1/2 of a cent of it. Loser.
“Look at Curry – he is the disgusting epitome of getting hte money and not earning even 1/2 of a cent of it. Loser.”
Ummm, that’s about 99% of the league.
Yes, David Lee is the man. What about Balkman? He’s a hustler no?
curry and randolph’s diet – see food.
i heard that on wfan its not really funny, but whatever.
It reminds me of Uma Thurman’s Fox Force Five joke in Pulp Fiction.
For bonus points, does anyone remember it? I do…
Three tomatoes are walking down the street- a poppa tomato, a momma tomato, and a little baby tomato. Baby tomato starts lagging behind. Poppa tomato gets angry, goes over to the baby tomato, and smooshes him
and says . . . someone finish it!!
ohh catch up?
i watch too many movies
he is really out there.
im watching the holiday now. i really like it. haha
The only thing better than his movies would be to see Cow-Bell-Man hanging from the foul pole by his tighty whities.
A father tomato and a son tomato are walking down the steet. The son tomato is lagging behind so the father tomato turns around, stomps on him and says “ketchup!”
Great job!!!! But you finished in 3rd place.
Bing, what do we have for the third place winner?
Nothing. Sorry.
Which will be more…
Total Wins by Mets 5th starter
or
Knicks Season Win Total
What was Omar thinking letting Jesus Flores get away? Fire him.
We can’t win 90+ games, much less a division title without him.
You’re so right Tina. The guy is a stud! He is the 2nd coming of Alberto Castillo.
Can’t beat Castillo’s ’stache.
Yea that was pretty sweet. That poor guy was exiled to Kansas City where he was beaten and tortured to the tune of 3 seasons of hapless, losing, miserable baseball.
You people still crying about the “Milledge trade” are really getting on my nerves.
It wasn’t a trade. It wasn’t supposed to be fair. It was just Omar unloading a player who didn’t fit the Mets G Rated persona.
Thats what the Mets do. They trade away players, albeit quality talent, don’t fit the happy kiddy Mets program.
One day, the brass will learn thats not what win championships. I am hoping hard that Lastings absolutely destroys the Mets this year. Then maybe Omar can take himself down a peg or two.
Yep, that Kevin Mitchell was a bad influence on Darryl and Doc.
Long time ago my friend….long time ago.
If Omar was running the 1986 club now, based on the Mets new standards….they’d be left with 3 bench players and Ron Darling starting every game.
Simply put….just win. I don’t care what the players do off the field or how they work with the community.
WINNING…..CURES….ALL.
Which will be more…
Total Wins by Mets 5th starter
or
Knicks Season Win Total
which will there be more of 2
Knicks wins
–or–
Different Mets starting pitchers
There should be at least 20 of each
Mel Rojas’ season win total in the Australian Winter League.
anyone who is arguing for Olivo as our catcher has totally lost it, I mean, are you kidding? Really? You want this guy on our team? I”m speechless. Mets fans will go to any limit to bash their GM, 2nd guess the organization, and in the process make a fool of themselves. Incredible. Miguel Olivo? Really?
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