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Read: Heyman’s Positive Thinking
By Chris Mazzone - Jan 3, 2008 9:20 pm

In a report for SI.com, Jon Heyman makes a list of the previous year’s winners and ‘non-winners’.

Among the winners he lists Jimmy Rollins, Tom Glavine, Luis Castillo and Pedro Martinez, of whom he writes…

“Returned sooner and better than anyone expected after serious shoulder surgery, garnering his 3,000th strikeout, providing the Mets a rare late-season bright spot and giving them a continuing excuse not to try harder to land the young ace they so desperately need.”

Among the non-winners he lists the Mets and Omar Minaya, of whom he writes…

“Likeable exec who made nary a misstep in 2006 erred last winter by trading away Heath Bell, Brian Bannister and Matt Lindstrom. Spent this winter failing to land a No. 1 pitcher, an almost annual rite.”

…i guess he’s against calling people ‘losers’…there’s clearly not much going on right now as even heyman is resorting to lazy lists about last year…i did enjoy his dig on eckstein and a few other comments, but i’m ready to move on and look forward to spring training…

91 Responses to “Read: Heyman’s Positive Thinking”

  1. drprpimp813 says:

    Heyman get a real job and make sure u shove your comments so far up ur 4ss, U will learn to think straight.

  2. mlbkings says:

    I hate all the credit Rollins is receiving for his prediciton.

    The Mets were the team to beat. The Phillies were the team that beat them.

    • nydre78 says:

      And its not like the Phillies were leading the division for most of the year. I believe it was the Mets who did up until the last few days of the season.

      • kevin2elster21 says:

        Finally two people who understand the English language. Winning the division in the last week does not make a “team to beat.”

        Unfortunately his loud mouth was rewarded. Finally, can some Met pitcher let that midget know that we don’t appreciate his speaking his mind.

        • pvhornet05 says:

          Or for that matter acquire Santana and show the rest of baseball that the Mets are the team to beat.

        • Trumpzilla says:

          Unfortunately his loud mouth was rewarded

          Um….no. That would be his bat and play being rewarded.

          You all took such delight in sticking it to Rollins when the Phils were 7 games back….well too bad for all of you. Be men and eat your own words, give grudging credit where due, and stop acting like tantrum throwing kids

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          334 OBP, no excuses. he led the league in PA, and padded his stats in a minor league park. He doesn’t have to play half his games at Shea.

          Why do I have to constantly prove you wrong?

        • Trumpzilla says:

          and padded his stats in a minor league park. He doesn’t have to play half his games at Shea.

          You hide behind this excuse like babies hiding behind mommy’s skirt.

          You play where you play. MLB doesn’t park-adjust official stats, so too bad,

          That “minor league park” sure didn’t stop the Philly pen from shutting down the Mets those last games.

          Rollins talked the talk, then walked the walk. Stop being idiots and give credit where due,

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          Thanks for proving my point. The Phillies teammates won the division, not Rollins.

          Got anything else?

          Elster>Trumpz-no-one

        • Trumpzilla says:

          Thanks for proving my point. The Phillies teammates won the division, not Rollins

          HAHAHAHAHA.

          Gotcha. Rollins had nothing to do with it. It sure was nice of them to give Rollins a t-shirt when they celebrated the division title the MVP had nothing to do with!

          Lets see….the park….the teammates……what other excuses do you have?

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          Ummm, your aids didn’t help.

        • Trumpzilla says:

          So Rollins doesn’t deserve the MVP because of his “teammates” (and the park! can’t forget the park!) but Wright does deserve the MVP because his teammates failed him.

          Gotcha.

          HAHAHAHAHA!

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          FINALLY

          You have seen the light my son!!!

        • Trumpzilla says:

          Yes….can I drink more of your Blue and Orange kool-Aid?

        • Slob says:

          Rollins doesn’t deserve the MVP because several other players were better. Namely Matt Holliday and Hanley Ramirez.

        • Ryn5 says:

          If your OBP is closer to .300 then .400, you’re not a MVP.

      • Trumpzilla says:

        And its not like the Phillies were leading the division for most of the year. I believe it was the Mets who did up until the last few days of the season

        Yeah! Because the last few days of the season don’t count!

        Hint: Rollins said the Phils were the team to beat. And hey, they WERE the team to beat. And they were’t beat.

        You two prove that Mets fans deserve what they got.

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          Hint, Rollins never said the Phils will win the division, just the team to beat.

          Kevin Elster > Trumpzilla

        • Trumpzilla says:

          Hint, Rollins never said the Phils will win the division, just the team to beat.

          HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..I gotcha! Saying you’re the “team to beat” means “we’re gonna come in 2nd!”

          AIDS patient > Kevin Elster

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          Team to beat means more than just winning the division. It means you’re the target. Hard to be the target when you’re out of first place.

          Learn English tardo

          AIDS Patient + Trumpzoola’s mom = Trumpzitface

        • Trumpzilla says:

          Team to beat means more than just winning the division. It means you’re the target. Hard to be the target when you’re out of first place.

          EXCEPT THEY FINISHED IN 1ST PLACE!

          HAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!

        • nydre78 says:

          And its not like the Phillies were leading the division for most of the year. I believe it was the Mets who did up until the last few days of the season

          Yeah! Because the last few days of the season don’t count!

          Hint: Rollins said the Phils were the team to beat. And hey, they WERE the team to beat. And they were’t beat.

          You two prove that Mets fans deserve what they got.

          How can you be the team to beat when the defending division champs were in first place the majority of the year? The Mets fell apart at the end and the Phils took advantage. I’ll give them that but they werent the team to beat.

        • dk70 says:

          Exactly. Trump, you are contradicting yourself. Yes, the Phillies won the division and deserve credit. Congrats. But the statement was “team to beat.” That was a dumb statement to make. They were not the team to beat the Mets were. They had just won the division in ‘06 by a MILE. If Philly improved over the off season, which they did, he was saying that they were the team to beat going into ‘07. Well, he was wrong because the Mets led the whole year. Then the Mets choked and Philly picked up the pieces. Congrats. You won, but your statement of “team to beat” wrong. The Mets were the team to beat and the Philly beat them. Two completely different arguements. So shut the hell up.Moron

      • gomets6091 says:

        wow, I was just coming on here to say the exact same thing. So true. The ‘86 Mets were the “team to beat,” the ‘98 Yankees were the “team to beat,” last year, the “team to beat” was the Boston Red Sox. Squeaking by a team who is free-falling to win a division on the last day of the season with only 89 wins does not make one the “team to beat,” it makes one the “team who got extremely lucky.”

        I’m so f’in sick of Rollins and the Phillies (especially since most of my friends are Phillies fans). I can’t wait till the Mets come back next year and prove most of the prognosticators (and 89% of the “fans” on this site) wrong. Bounce-back years by Delgado and Pedro and the team is instantly better than it was for most of last season, and that’s if they don’t make any other moves. I’m already getting pumped for Spring Training.

    • Trumpzilla says:

      I hate all the credit Rollins is receiving for his prediciton

      Yeah! All he did was win MVP and lead his team past the Mets to the division title!

      No credit for him!

      • kevin2elster21 says:

        not exactly. His winning MVP was an embarrassment to the NL, and he won the division because he had better teammates than DWright.

        Of course voters weren’t deterred the previous year when they voted for Ryan Howard over Pujols. Howard didn’t carry his team to the playoffs.

        • Trumpzilla says:

          not exactly. His winning MVP was an embarrassment to the NL, and he won the division because he had better teammates than DWright.

          I wouldn’t call it an embarassment. There were a couple other better candidates, but Rollins was not undeserving. As for haing better teammates….that’s part of it. Ask Hanley Ramirez about it.

          Of course voters weren’t deterred the previous year when they voted for Ryan Howard over Pujols. Howard didn’t carry his team to the playoffs

          MVP criteria seems to shif from year to year. Voters are very confused

        • zen says:

          sour grapes.

          rollins vs mets (7wins 0 losses in aug/sept)

          18g 28h 6hr 15rbi .346avg 1.057ops

          better teammates? the mets were universally picked to win the division last year.

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          thanks again for proving my point again, don’t just throw around “He won MVP” as if that’s written in stone that he deserved it.

          You really are retarded.

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          if you say rollins deserved it b/c he won the division, it’s wrong, b/c you’re rewarding him for having better teammates.

          yea the mets were picked to win the division, but Wright’s teammates failed, not Wright.

          so which is it? you can’t have it both ways, can you?

          think people.

        • Trumpzilla says:

          yea the mets were picked to win the division, but Wright’s teammates failed, not Wright.

          Can you get Wright a WS ring then, because his teammates failed him!

        • kevin2elster21 says:

          you’re right trumpzylika. have a good night

        • Trumpzilla says:

          At least Wright was on the apprentice! Rollins never did that! get that man an MVP award now!!

        • qqqqqqqq says:

          I remember seeing someone talk about how good Rollins was and how he deserved the MVP.

          He backed up his opinions with the amount of ABs he had. Apparently Rollins has a ton ABs – enough to place 6th all time with the Phillies or something.

          I love Philly fans.

  3. LetsgoMets1 says:

    Some of it was funny but i would of liked to see a bigger loser side…. Anyway can’t the Twins just trade Santana already. Smith should throw in Morenaeu (not sure if i spelled it right) too. They won’t be able to sign him soon either. Throw in Delgado with what ever amount of cash the Twins owners feel like putting in their pockets and get the deal done already Omar, Fred, Jeff.

  4. LetsgoMets1 says:

    oh and yeah i forgot you guys are right the Mets lead the division from May to September and it took a historic collaspe for the Phillies to win the division.

    • nydre78 says:

      And in April the Braves lead for the majority of the time. Just typical media hype concerning Rollins “prediction”.

  5. kevin2elster21 says:

    I’ll bet Minnesota would have loved Matt Lindstrom in a package for Johan. People NEVER give up on flamethrowers.

  6. Trumpzilla says:

    Spent this winter failing to land a No. 1 pitcher, an almost annual rite

    HAHAHAHAHA…..what a dig at pathetic Omar!

    • kevin2elster21 says:

      an annual rite is correct. Yet you’ll find hoards of ‘tards here screaming to get a pitcher next year.

      Yep, it’s always about next year.

  7. Amazin Mets says:

    Anyone else see David Wright on Celebrity Apprentice? Hysterical.

    • NeedAnAce says:

      He should have ponied up some more cash!

    • Trumpzilla says:

      As usual, Wright supported the losing team…

      • dk70 says:

        Why are you on this blog, Moron. Matt, revoke his user id. This guy is an irrational idiot. You argue like a teenager.

        • Trumpzilla says:

          Yeah, I argue like a teenager, but here you are whining for mommy to help you.

          Hey Matt, revoke HIS user ID! This guy thinks it’s his blog and he can decide who posts here…

        • dk70 says:

          You make no valid points. All you are doing is instigating like a child. You sporadically jump in with mindless stupid statements. A blog is for discussion and intelligent opinion. So shut the hell up and go play with the rest of the kids in the hallway……

  8. JsyCtyFan7 says:

    The idea that Tom Glavine is a winner, in part, because of his ability to not let his “1 bad inning” affect his mood is the absurd talk of Mets haters everywhere.

    Tom Glavine’s ERA for the entire month of September was in the outerstratosphere. 9.0, I believe. His complete lack of effort and emotion in September was a disgrace to any professional ballplayer. A pitcher that has those of kind of alarmingly bad starts repeatedly, while the team around him collapses, yet doesn’t express ANY concern, leadership or desire to get better all the while constantly reminding us of his love for Atlanta is an example of a pathetic mercenary not a winner. Yet, Mets fans are supposed to be thankful for this guy’s very presence. Pure Mets hater nonsense.

    Good riddance, Glavine. We don’t want you either.

    • mlbkings says:

      Glavine’s lack of emotion should not be put against him. Whether he is excelling or faltering in a start, you never see Glavine have a change in facial expression, which, although it may not rally up a team, is not a bad thing.

  9. Gilch says:

    the fact that JROLL beat out Holliday is still a disgrace

  10. Jimmy Rollins is lame.
    Please have a bad season.

  11. LetsgoMets1 says:

    Holliday did have the better season and Rollins had alot of help around him.

    • yeah. not to take anything away from him, but the ballpark he plays in, the other amazing offensive players he has around me i’m sure did wonders.

      • gomets6091 says:

        I just don’ get the “Philly bias.” In 2006, Pujols was probably the only reason the Cardinals made the playoffs, without him they would have tanked out and pulled an ‘07 Mets (allowing the ‘06 Mets to go to the WS, not that I’m bitter or anything), yet he loses the MVP Award to the “best hitter” in the league on a non-playoff team, Ryan Howard. Last year, Rollins was at best the 5th best hitter in the NL (Holliday, Wright, HanRam, and Pujols all better, plus I’d argue Utley was better too, and then factor in Prince Fielder), but he won the award for “leading his team to the playoffs.” So one year the Philly wins it for being the best hitter even though his team makes the playoffs, the next year a Philly wins it despite not being the best hitter because his team made the playoffs. Just seems ridiculous.

        By the way, the Rockies got SCREWED in voting. Tulo should have been GG and ROY, and Holliday should have been MVP. Voters are ignorant, and really do ignore the smaller teams.

        • gomets6091 says:

          “So one year the Philly wins it for being the best hitter even though his team makes the playoffs, the next year a Philly wins it despite not being the best hitter because his team made the playoffs”

          supposed to read: So one year the Philly wins it for being the best hitter even though his team DOESNT MAKE the playoffs, the next year a Philly wins it despite not being the best hitter because his team made the playoffs

  12. LetsgoMets1 says:

    Philly fans amuse me. Coming to our sites to try and defend lil Jimmy. Does Philly even have a blog site? Guess what I don’t care. Holliday did more with less support. Jimmy ballpark helped him with some of those numbers and he had alot of at bats. That tells me he had alot around him. Don’t get me wrong Rollins had a great year but MVP cmon. Hopefully the Omar gets Santana so we can have the Cy Young and MVP next year.

    • JarvisJanesAddiction says:

      Philly fans annoy me…..nothing amusing about them. Unfortunately, they deserve to shoot their mouths off, and we deserve to take the crap we’re taking. That being said, f’m, f’m in the ass, the whole lot of them (even though some Phillys would enjoy that, for sure :)

      • gomets6091 says:

        Philly fans are the worst people on the face of the Earth. I went to college about a half hour outside of Philly, and most of my friends are Philly fans, and while they are decent people, once the conversation turns to sports I feel a need to punch every single one of them….including (maybe even especially) the female fans. Doesn’t matter how hot they are, if they’re wearing Phillies or Eagles gear or start talking about those two teams, I wouldn’t consider touching them. And I date a Yankees fan!

  13. EastFallowfield says:

    This is the part where I point out that Rollins stats on the road were comparable to his home stats, except for HRs.

    Then the Mets experts tell me that’s another reason why he’s no darn good because he should really have much better stats at home, therefore Matt Holliday should be MVP.

    And the Phils divison title doesn’t count because the Mets were the much better team when it counted the most-April.

    Yes, the Phillies have sites too. Metsblog sends folks to them during the season. Lots of Rollins/Phillies bashing in April, sort of trailed off as the season went along for some reason.

    One guy actually was trolling during the 3rd Phillies sweep, but most decided to hold off with the midgame trolling as the Phils kept beating the Mets again and again and again and again and again.

    • cyclone says:

      This is the part where I point out that you truly are a troll with no life….

    • gomets6091 says:

      I don’t think any of us are suggesting that April counts more, obviously it doesn’t. Only one fanbase got to watch its team get swept out of the first round, and that was you guys, so congratulations (I guess). But when Philly fans go around talking about last years team like it was the ‘27 Yankees, it helps to remind them that they had sole possession of first place for exactly 2 days all season. That doesn’t exactly make them the “team to beat.” The Mets were the team to beat all season, and luckily for the Phillies, they beat them when it counted most. Hats off to them. But stop acting like Jimmy Rollins is Joe Namath, because he was wrong for 99% of the season.

      This season, assuming the Phillies get out to a good start, they will be the team to beat. That’s how it works. You are the team to beat until someone beats you. The Braves were the team to beat for 14 years, the Mets for 1, and now the Phillies for half an offseason. Now let’s see them repeat.

      • therealsince86 says:

        Exactly, that’s what gets me about sports in general. All the media “experts” pick the team to beat each year but often it is not who one last year? How can that be? Because another team got better on paper? The team that won is the team to beat until someone else proves otherwise. Rollins saying the Phillies were the team to beat was an ignorant statement trying to generate media buzz and lucky for him, on the last day of the season bailed him out.

  14. stickguy says:

    The “annual rite” comment bugs me. e makes it sound like true #1/Ace pitchers change hands all the time. Well, unless they are damaged goods or on the downside of their career (Pedro, CLemens, Johnson), how many actually change hands each off season? Pretty much none (and I don’t count Haren)

  15. LetsGetMetsmerized says:

    Trumpzilla… being the team to beat is a future thing, not past. If you win in the division, you were not necessarily the team to beat, you just won, possibly beating the team that was the one to beat. Being the team to beat usually means being defending champs, and still good (first place all year). Next year the Phillies are probably the team to beat, since they just won, and are still good. That’s what made his comments so weird, and look bad when they were not in 1st all year. They turned out to be the team that beats the team to beat, which is great, but it does not back his words. He was wrong, and you are as well in saying that any team that finishes in first was therefore the team to beat that year. That doesn’t make sense — you can’t be the team to beat and not ever be beaten.

    It’s quite often that the team to beat fails, and another team plays over it’s head and beats the better team. And more often than not that team flops in the postseason, sometimes not even showing up. I’m not saying the Phillies did that, but you can make your own judgements.

    • Trumpzilla says:

      I’m a Mets fan, and I couldn’t be more disgusted with the lot of you.

      You can be twits and argue all you want over the semantics of “team to beat” and if Rollins had “better teammates” or whatever.

      The facts are Rollins won the MVP, not Wright. Rollins made the playoffs, not Wright. Rollins played on the winner, Wright played on the choker.

      Everything else is nattering over nothing.

      Rollins talked a good game, then he backed it up on the field. And Mets fans should have the class and common sense to acknowledge it and give credit for it.

      Not whine. Not make excuses. Not to inexplicably defend a team of chokers and losers.

      • dk70 says:

        Everyone has proven you wrong, so shut up. You are a disgrace as a “mets fan.” Go back to Philly, jackass.

        • Trumpzilla says:

          How have I been proven wrong? Did the Phils not make the playoffs? Did Rollins not win the MVP? Did the Mets not collapse?

          This is why I really despise most other Mets fans. Rollins shoved it down your throats, and you’re acting like the Mets won something instead of the other way around. You got the outcome you all deserved.

          Don’t get mad at me because they choked.

          You gotta shut up and take it from Rollins and the Phils fans now.

          Too bad for you.

        • dk70 says:

          now your just twisting the arguement to suite your needs.
          I have already said that the philies deserve credit. Congrarts to them. The arguement, if you can stay on point, was that Rollins made a statement and backed it up. My point all along, was that his statement to begin with was wrong. The phillies were NOT the team to beat, the Mets were. And YES, the Phillies beat them. IF you go back up to my first post, I did say Congrats for that.
          All along, I have said that Rollins statement was wrong to begin with. And as a Met fan, it urks me that they took that division, but I gave credit where credit was due.
          My problem has been with your ridiculous gabs and studid little statements. “Rollins backed it up, blah blah, blah…….shut up

  16. AWH says:

    It’s interesting to read that the posters here who think Rollins shouldn’t have won the MVP because of the “park factor”, fail to take the same thing into account with Holliday. He was a very different hitter away from Coors, and wouldn’t have posted nearly those numbers on another team.

    • LetsGetMetsmerized says:

      I cannot argue with Rollins as MVP. But my vote was for Holliday before the postseason, especially seeing the supporting cast around him, and his play down the stretch against the Dodgers in some close games, culminating in the 163rd game.

      Again, no qualms about Rollins being voted in, I think some of that is the big market of Philly and the team his team beat. I also have no problem with Wright not in the top 2 — his team blew it and he was partially to blame in some of the late losses.

  17. boredatwork says:

    you know what Minaya always talks about getting pitching but look what he did last year by trading away bannister for crappy burgos and heath bell and lindstrom for crappy ben johnson whos hurt by the way and burgos is hurt as well…..everytime i see his speech on tv or hear it on radio hes like ” pitching,pitching,pitching its all about pitching” minaya full of bull$hit if u ask me….

  18. EastFallowfield says:

    No, Jimmy wasn’t right for 2 days. He’s right forever. You guys lost the division in 2007. No matter how often you point out in what order you got to your record and the Phillies got to theirs, at the end of the season one team won and one team finished second.

    One team won when it counted, one team didn’t. You can debate the semantics of Rollins statement from now until the end of time. It’s no worse than David Wright’s quotes or Billy Wagner’s quotes or Paul LoDuca’s quotes that were wrong without question.

    I don’t know if losing to the Rockies is any worse than losing to the Cardinals, but if feels that way to you guys, great. Since we supposedly didn’t deserve to be in the playoffs and you guys were the favorites in 2006 then I don’t see how you compare them.

    • stickguy says:

      Well, last year is over, neither team won anything, and they are starting fresh at 0-0, I have no idea how this year will go, but I would bet it won’t happen like last year!

      As to your other question, losing to the Cards hurt worse. The mets were definitely the better team that year, and were 1 game away from the WS.

      Last year, the Rockies were just as good (maybe even the favorite) and it was only the WC series. It was also over so quick it was like it never happened.

      basically, 2006 was a punch to the gut, and 2007 (for the Phils) was a “wow, I can’t believe we made the playoffs” year.

    • LetsGetMetsmerized says:

      East Fallowfield, Jimmy would be right forever if he said we will win the division. The points made here is that his comments were incorrect because he used a misnomer — saying a team is “the team to beat” is not the same as saying “we will win”

      So basically Met fans are saying that perhaps Jimmy Rollins was right, but then he is not smart enough to know the right phrase to use in his prediction.

      • Trumpzilla says:

        So basically Met fans are saying that perhaps Jimmy Rollins was right, but then he is not smart enough to know the right phrase to use in his prediction

        How sad! Does anyone else think it’s absurd that some of these people are going all out to win an argument about semantics???!?!

        Oh well, I guess Mets fans have to win SOMETHING after 2007.

        Congratulations! You proved…….nothing. You “caught” Rollins in a minor verbal gaffe. Guess that makes everything that happened all right now. The MVP and the division title are meaningless because Rollins made a boo-boo! STRIP HIM OF THE MVP! PUT THE DIVISION BANNER IN QUEENS!!

  19. AWH says:

    Additionally, fans who think it was a “collapse” at the end by the Mets that “gave” the Phillies the division.

    Do the Phillies get to throw out there 4-11 start?

    Why does the Mets’ 5-10 finish “count” more than the way the Phillies started.

    Let’s see….subtract the Phillies first 15 games (their worst 15 game streak of the season) and subtract the Mets last 15 games (their worst 15 game stretch) and ….

    the Mets would have finished 73-64, and the Phillies finish 75-62.

    You need to remember that the season is 162 games long.

    In baseball there are no Mulligans.

    • LetsGetMetsmerized says:

      There is a difference — one time of the year you are playing without a lead of any kind, with less pressure. So if you are 0-0 and you lose and another team wins, it is not as important as losing with 10 games left and the team 5 games in front of you wins. It’s called pressure and if you think it doesn’t affect teams you are nuts. No one was saying the Phillies “collapsed” in April because it was April. There was no pressure so it was just one of those things. Perhaps you are right and the Mets losses was just one of those things too, but it sure is easier to call it a collapse based on the amount of pressure the surging Phils were putting on them than just a losing streak that ignores all other factors.

      But one thing is certainly true — how you finish is not important. Ask the 2006 Cardinals or the 2007 Phillies how they did in the postseason.

      • LetsGetMetsmerized says:

        My point being: what these fans are saying is that the Mets losses in September were caused by a mental collapse. You are trying to compare that with the Phillies losses in April, which I believe had nothing to do with the mental aspect of a pressure-mounting collapse.

        It’s like saying two guys going 2-4 is the same when one guy strikes out with the bases loaded in the 9th and the other got a GW hit that spot and struck out in the first with no one on base.

        Would you say the game is 9 innings long, no mulligans, etc?

        That is why the end “counts” more than the beginning. Pressure adding to the mental aspect.

  20. AWH says:

    East Fallowfield, you’re not exactly right in this respect:

    “One team won when it counted, one team didn’t.”

    Let me ask you: when do the games NOT count?

    It’s a 162 games season, and the Phillies won more of those 162 games than the Mets did.

    As I asked fans above: Why does the Mets losing streak to end the season “count” more in assessing who the most deserving or better team was?

    Simply, it doesn’t.

    Were the Mets of poor character because they finished 5-10? NO.

    No moreso than the Phillies were of poor character for starting out 4-11.

    Streaks happen in baseball. They all count.

    • LetsGetMetsmerized says:

      Read the comments above. You cannot ignore the mental aspects of the game. This isn’t a board game like stratomatic where streaks at the beginning equal streaks at the end. No one is saying the Mets were more deserving, but to say the losing streak in September, with a team surging behind you and media and fan pressure weighing you down is the same as a losing streak in April is blind.

      • LetsGetMetsmerized says:

        And lastly, keep in mind that saying these things actually gives the Phillies props. We are saying that they came thru in the clutch, whereas the Mets choked. Why are you refuting that from a Phillies perspective? In sports, closing is harder than starting (in almost every aspect from pitching to hitting to winning and losing in a season), and the Phillies won when it was harder to do. That’s what we mean by when it “counts” more. Hats off to Phils. But Rollins misspoke. They are the team to beat next year. Last year the Mets were the team to beat and the Phils did it. Rollins should have said he thinks they will emerge as division champs. A simple misnomer from a man who idolized Rickey Henderson.

  21. EastFallowfield says:

    For what it’s worth, the Phillies played April under the self induced pressure of trying to not have the kind of bad start that has been their custom in recent years.

    This was the first season where they overcame it to make the playoffs instead of ‘just missing’ the wild card berth as they had down a few times recently.

    If Mets had won on season’s last day, Phils would still have tied for the wild card lead, so they didn’t need the Mets collapse to at least get to a game 163.

    Rollins phrased it poorly, I suppose, but LoDuca’s quote that the Mets would dance at the end of the season may have been grammatically correct, and Wright’s comment that the Mets would prove that talk is cheap and they’ll do it on the field, or Wagner’s or Randolph’s comments that the Mets would win in the end were wrong factually. I’ll take Rollins’ errors over those.

    • dk70 says:

      Lets end this ridiculous arguement with this: The Mets dominated the division for all of ‘06 and MOST of ‘07. The Mets completely choked and the Phillies were there to pick up the scraps. Congrats to the Phillies.
      JIMMY ROLLINS: Now you can say the the Phillies are the team to beat. Last year that was a dumb statement to make. You won the MVP, congrats. You won the division, congrats. The team to beat was clearly the Mets last season, and it is now CLEARLY the Phillies.
      END OF SEMANTICS………Everyone can stop twisting words to fit their arguement now.

      • EastFallowfield says:

        Mets had lousy June, July, mediocre August and lousy September. If that’s domination, I hope they do it again, maybe add a lousy April and May too.

  22. NeedAnAce says:

    I can’t stand what the Mets have done, let me get that straight. But here is the reason for the Met’s collapse in my opinion…. The release of Julio Franco. Though the man could not hit a lick and was finished, he was the glue that held that team together. Willie has shown no leadership skills whatsoever, and as I have thought back to what could have happened to cause such and uninspired ballclub from basically June on, it is the loss of Franco. He provided leadership and guidance for the entire team. HE DID WILLIE’S JOB!!!

    Randolph, in my opinion, is completely incompentant as manager. The fact that noone in the organization has even thought about bringing Franco back to replace Henderson as a first base coach is deplorable. Fact is, I don’t care where he coaches, just get him back in this clubhouse please so there will be one man with some knowledge of the game of baseball in our dugout.

  23. Trumpzilla says:

    If that would make Wright my step-daddy, he’s welcome to it ;)

  24. kevin2elster21 says:

    No, you’re the one born with the wire hanger in your ear.

  25. Trumpzilla says:

    That’s fine, but at the end of the day, Rollins won MVP, and Wright was on the outside looking in when the season ended.

    Thanksforplayingbuh-bye!

  26. Number41 says:

    Hey guys; we get kids in here. Ease up on the F Bombs! Thought I was in a skankee blog there…

  27. dcullin23 says:

    are you kiding-did you hear what Valentin and Randolph said when Franco was released. Valentin said he was a divisive and selfish force in the dugout!!!