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In a recent chat for ESPN.com, Keith Law had the following to say when asked about Fernando Martinez, and whether the Mets should trade him, among 
others, since they have three of the first 40 picks in this year’s draft…
“I wouldn’t deal Martinez for one year of Santana under any circumstances, but thinking that a June draft pick can replace a player who’s already in AA or AAA isn’t quite right…
“Even if you get an equivalent prospect, you’ve lost two to three years of time, and in present value terms, that new player is worth less…
“The guy to keep is Martinez. Everyone else should be negotiable. I’d give Mulvey/Heilman/something for Santana, because I’m not that high on Mulvey and I think Heilman may have peaked…Martinez is a better prospect than either Hughes or Ellsbury, but is higher-risk because he’s younger and further from the majors.”
…i’m certain the Mets will do all they can to keep martinez…and for the same reasons the Mets prefer to keep him, the Twins almost certainly will want to acquire him…
…during the Winter Meetings, i heard martinez being compared to every one from a young Juan Gonzalez to a young Sammy Sosa…of the bunch being discussed in rumored deals for santana, he’s the one most close to untouchable i would think…but, no team’s ace will be acquired on the cheap…
In his chat, Law also discusses a wide variety of issues, from the Hall of Fame, to other team’s minor leaguers, next year’s free agent pitchers, and the future of Bartolo Colon, among others.
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Q: Hey, what’s going on at metsblog?
A: Nothing, just another re-peat episode.
Omar’s telephone call to the Opryland Hotel:
Omar: Hello is this the Opryland Hotel?
Hotel: Yes, how can I help you?
O: I seem to have left something at your hotel. I was there in December.
H: Oh? What room? What item?
O: Room 217-8. Trade Lube.
H: Is this a prank?
O: No.
The Apex Tech Curriculum fair is giving away free trade lube in their trinket bags
Let’s keep in mind that Juan Gone and Sammy -while both talented- had a lot of ‘extra help.’ To think that Martinez is going to put up stats like that is a little naive.
If Martinez is the deal breaker for Johan, I say do it. You can find another A1 OF prospect in a year or two, Johan’s a once a decade guy.
Fernando’s Hideaway…..He look Marvelous
TRADE LUBE…nowhere to be found
What would you prefer to read about?
aUSSIE,
i’d like to know what you did 1 year ago today. to the best of your recollection. honestly. let’s get to know some of the people on here.
we are brothers in the misery that is the love of the mets, for cryin out loud!
That’s an excellent question points guy. I couldn’t be sure but let’s have a stab at it and say I was probably at work in another Australian city to the one I currently live in, and probably procrastinating by tuning in for the latest on the Mets pursuit of Barry Zito! Although I freely concede the dates could be out.
How about you my good man?
hahaha
i was at work probably discussing who would win, Ohio State or Florida in the BCS championship. Boring stuff.
Today? I’m at work discussing whether Ohio State will beat LSU. . .
Actually, I remember now. I would also have been watching Australia play England in the 4th Ashes cricket Test from Sydney. Work that one out ;)
oof come on points guy… ohio state has no chance.. they only got to the championship game because their schedule ended two weeks earlier then everyone else…
Super over-rated… Georgia and USC are gonna have big gripes when LSU is done dismantling them.
I just can’t wait for the South Yukon Community College-Mid-Arkansas Polytech game!!!
Jessica’s supple bossum
I’m confused on how the “72 hour window” thing works. Do the Mets have to commit to the trade even if they can’t work out a deal or can they back out if a deal can’t be struck?
I believe the Mets would only have to make the trade contingent on them closing a deal on an extension with Johan.
Really, Christopher Columbus?? Thanks for discovering America…
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wow, you need a glass of stfu
You have minus points for THAT?
That was damn funny
a question was asked, an answer was given. And your being a dick……get a grip junior
I actually wrote in my post before i saw that question pop up. it’s weird but i saw the answer to the question, but not the question…i wouldn’t have said that if i saw that someone was actually asking…HOWEVER i still think that it’s funny and mayb i am a jerk but all i have to say is pfffftttttttttt
This is very frustrating. One day our farm system is worth nothing and we don’t have prospects comparable to Sox and yanks, the next day FMart is the best choice for Minnessota. This is simply absurd. The more time goes by the more I realize that all these writers are just writing for the sake of writing…they don’t even care about providing real, accurate information anymore…ridiculous…there’s no one to believe….the only trustworthy source of information is officially…….no one
What kind of “real, accurate information” can there be about the evaluation of players?
That’s a good point but there has to be some kind of agreement between the “professionals” here. I understand if we had a grade scale and one person was saying “2″ and the other “4″ but what we keep hearing are complete turn arounds…one day it’s a “1″ the next it’s a “10″…it’s just retarded
Hello! Thats what I was getting at yesterday and I got ripped apart. Everyone keeps saying its so great that we are getting all these different reports about whats going on. Um, thats a bad thing. Theres only one truth out there. How can there be so many differing stories. 3 weeks ago it was a DONE DEAL. They were planning the press conference in Boston. Then he was a Yankee. Now we have the best prospect, but are we sure we wanna give up on him. The bottom line is that there is one group of people that have primary knowledge of whats going to happen, and thats the Twins front office. Unless they are the worst poker players in the world its just hard for me to believe anyone’s gonna know all the details until this whole thing is a done deal, whatever that deal may be. I’m certainly not complaining about the posts on this site. I love this site. Im just concerned that the whole organization seems to have ALL their eggs in this one basket, and there is no safety net. I just think that should we not land this deal it will A. Severly affect the ‘08 on field talent, because unless theres something going on behind the scenes no one knows about Omar’s not actively pursuing any other servicable 1-2 starter, and B. Greatly affect the mental state of both the team and the fans. I dont think any of us thought we’d be going into the ‘08 season basically status quo. We DID experience the worst collapse in the history of the sport last year, remember?. Nothing Delgado says is gonna change that, or the pitching situation we are currently in. Heres to hoping all this speculation ends with the result we need. A viable #1 starter…whomever it maybe.
Trading this guy would be ludicrous. They should not trade him even for Santana … especially if you’re going to lose a ton more talent on top of it, plus having to sign the guy to a huge contract. There is absolutely no way Fernando Martinez should be discussed.
This guy could be Alex Escoabar or he could be Carlos Lee has BA projects him as..
I don’t think anyone we have in the minors off the table for Johan.
ewm,
+3 for sanity
FMart is potential. Just as a newborn baby is potential.
Pop quiz, there’s only one sport where potential is worth more than a proven veteran. Anyone care to guess?
An unborn baby is also potential.
Lacrosse?
My guess: horse racing.
I’d go with Curling
ummm
football. i thought that was obvious.
NFL
haha points guy….good ol “salary cap casualties”. gotta love it.
while we have a moment, what’s everyone’s predictions for this weekend’s wild card games?
Tampa bay defeats the Giants. That’s all I care about.
I don’t like the Gints…Jets fan here..but the Giants will win, as will the Chargers…the Seahawks and the Jags
Giants, Chargers, Seahawks, Jags as well. You usually get one road winner per day.
tampa? get outta here with that nonsense. g-men dominate. eli makes whiney face. jacobs scores 3 TDs and runs over ronde sending him to the hospital, where he dies. good riddance.
Okay Ken…we’ll see. I’ve been hearing all week about how Giants are gonna trash Tampa…I’ve seen the Giants all year, I’ve seen the QB, and the play calling…and I have confidence that Tom Coughlin will find a way to give that game away.
the jets should try to trade for bardy quinn. now that cleveland has a QB the jets should trade Vilma (he would help the 31st ranked deffense) and a second round pick for quin and a cleeveland 4rth rounder.
cyclone,
Gonna have to disagree with you. Coughlin has done an excellent job with a team that was supposed to do nothing. They lost a border line hall of fame running back and didn’t really miss a beat.
I don’t think the Giants are going to trash Tampa, but when you look at the division that Tampa played in…they won it by default. Their OL has four 2nd year players. One of the tackles is actually only making his 12th start…he goes against Osi. Good thing Garcia is mobile or else he would get sacked like 10 times.
I think the Giants win a close game…not steamrolling by any means. They haven’t shown me the ability to do that yet.
i dont think the giants are going to trash tampa at all either. frankly, theyve been unimpressive this year, despite thier record (weak schedule, win ugly, etc). but im still hoping jacobs murders ronde, lieterally. i also expect osi to break several of gracia’s limbs completely off and then bludgeon his skull to pieces with them.
also coughlin has done an excellent job this year when so many, including myself, expected so little from him. called a horrible game against the skins but otherwise has proven competent this year.
should be a good game either way.
Nah, I will admit the Bucs have a hard road and yeah, their division was somewhat of a mess this year because of what happened to NO, ATL, and Carolina…but it was nice to get some breaks for a change, as well as a semi competent QB finally. But Tampa did what they always do, let the defense carry them most of the season. I don’t expect a Super Bowl, but it would be nice to win one game.
I think it will be a nice fight…it’s definitely a pick em game.
It’s actually Tampa -3. I guess that translates to a pick’em game at a neutral site.
cyclone,
At least we now know that you are a Bucs fan. Do you call Tony Paige on the FAN to talk about them on the overnight? He is a huge Bucs fan.
I think it will be a good game, definitely worth tuning in for. Giants are going to pound the football. Hopefully, they have seen enough of Garcia over the past few years to be able to gameplan properly for him.
We’ll see.
Ken,
Do you think Osi would get further by just using his fists rather than Garcia’s limbs to do the bludgeoning? I would also like to see Jacobs get pissed and turn into the Incredible Hulk and destroy the stadium
I disagree. We have 2 position players with potential in the entire farm system. 2. 1 of the 2 has too much potential to even discuss moving. I’m all for trading the farm for Santana … anyone can go … except for Fernando Martinez. This kid stays.
He’s not going to be Alex Escobar.
If we can keep FMart, by all means do so. But how much of FMart is hype? Look at these bafoons rate hime high and low, close, and far. They’re believing the hype.
btw, how many of our position players came from the farm? we got reyes and wright. position players can be filled via FA.
His value could plumment if he doesn’t perform well in AA this year.. his bad year was blamed mostly on his injuries..
He’s so far away that he’s the ultimate wild card..
Let’s face it though, he’s not untouchable.. Omar can’t afford to make anyone of our kids untouchable… bottom line he’d more then likely deal him for Johan given the chance.
“btw, how many of our position players came from the farm? we got reyes and wright.”
And that is precisely the problem, points guy. This team never produces position players and always overpays in the free agent market because of it. More emphasis and more patience on the farm, please.
“His value could plumment if he doesn’t perform well in AA this year.. his bad year was blamed mostly on his injuries..”
That’s a good point, extrawhitemeat. Yes his value could plummet if he doesn’t play well. Johan Santana could also blow out his arm. Nothing is a guarantee.
Flip that the other way now. His value could shoot through the roof if he does play well. And Johan Santana could come here and stay healthy and win 20 games.
I still prefer to keep Fernando Martinez a Met.
I think that has more to do with the quality of who we draft.. not who we trade away…
Who was the last great met position player we traded away?
Mike Jacobs?
Justin Huber?
Alex Escoabar?
It will soon be Lastings.. but that’s a post for a different day :-)
Jason Bay
Ok.. Jason Bay.. so in the past what 10 years the worst position prospect we traded away was Jason Bay?
Would you trade Jason Bay for Johan?
That’s not the point. The point is the team never puts emphasis on developing talent, in house, as I said already. There is a reason the big names from the Mets system is few and far between. That is the biggest problem this organization has. It’s a vicious cycle and it has to chance starting now.
My point is.. who did we give away that would of changed the perception that we develop big name players?
We draft and scout like crapola.. that’s the problem.. not the position players we’ve traded away (all know pitching is a very different story)… if Jason Bay is the best position player we’ve traded away in 10 years.. come on.. that’s really saying something.
I agree the mets farm and drafting is woeful, and I’m on here frequently ranting about everything from Brian Bannister, to not paying above slot for Beato last year and Efferson this year.. and I HATE the milledge trade…
But it’s Johan.. he’s the best pitcher of this generation in his prime.. and for that.. I’d give up the chance that F-mart might be the next Jason Bay or perhaps better better.
They can still deal F-mart and stock the farm with 3 first round picks, no matter what Keith Law from Harvard says.
Yeah you basically just agreed with what I am saying. The reason why there were not so many position players given away is because they are so bad at developing them in the first place.
Look, I look at it this way. You can’t negotiate with a team and just hand over your crown jewel. Other teams competing with the Mets are showing restraint, and for good reason. You have to sign Johan long term for a very lucrative contract. There is a reason the Yanks and Sox won’t budge from their offer.
Now … if at some point one of those teams crack … and add a player like Joba …. or Kennedy AND Hughes … or Ellsbury AND Lester… IF that’s the case, THEN you talk about POSSIBLY giving up F-Mart.
That most likely will not happen. None of these teams are going to budge and the Twins will be forced to either accept one of the offers or keep Santana, which they don’t want to do. Why just throw F-Mart at them if you don’t have to?
The point you’re missing is you are not talking about JUST F-Mart for Santana. You’re talking about him PLUS 4 other prospects … PLUS signing Santana for a ridiculous contract.
I agree … the Mets have the money … I want Santana here just as bad as you do but there has to be some restraint. The Twins ARE desperate to trade him and you can’t just say “here take everything … take advantage of us”.
Patience and restraint are very necessary here. It’s necessary in the negotiation for a trade and it’s necessary in developing your farm system.
I guess we disagree.. I would do f-mart and for lesser guys for him in a split second..
Over the course of history those trades have worked out very very well for the team getting someone has good as Johan…
Pedro for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr…
Schilling for a pacakge of something like Travis Lee, Vincente Padilla and a pile of garbage I can’t even remember..
Everyone loves to quote the Colon trade.. but one Colon is no Johan.. and second Brand Phillips was the “can’t miss” guy in that deal.. and boy did he… at least with the Indians…
And if the Yanks are offering Hughes, and the Sox Bucholtz or Elsbury.. all 3 of those guy are equal or above F-mart’s value… so they’re not showing re-strating.. they just have more to work with..
There is no way if we’re trying to win in 2008 we’re going to protect the farm in exchange for not getting thte biggest pitcher this decade..
I’d much rather Johan from now until 2013 then watching F-mart maybe be Carlos Lee in 2010.
That’s all well and good, but the Twins know what they have in Santana and they won’t take a package of scrubs in exchange.
Jose and Wright are both off the table (and rightly so), but the Mets will have to give up someone of value if they hope to acquire Santana. If Omar can engineer the trade without giving up F-Mart and Guerra, more power to him. But I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them is included in any 4 package deal.
I didn’t say we should give them a package of scrubs. I said we have one untouchable prospect. His name is Fernando Martinez and the Twins can’t have him. Just like they can’t have Joba Chamberlain.
Yeah, but what they have is a guy with a pretty large 2008 salary that can be a FA at the end of the year. And who has already said he requires a record (and back!0 breaking contract, which is a huge risk to take with a pitcher.
That, and they are looking at 2 draft picks if he walks.
Not quite the same as if he was signed for a market reasonable 3-4 year contract.
Oh yeah, for now he has a no trade clause too!
If anything, the reported deals on the table are overly generous in this situation!
Gomez and Mulvey are both something of real value.
Why does this IDIOT keep repeating the “Not for 1 year of Santana” B.S…. There is no trade without an extension. If you dont extend him, the deal dies, no trade.
And to assume, well we dont have to do it, he will be a free agent next offseason, we will sign him then and keep our prospects, is arrogant, and ignorant.
because it is only for one year. after you ‘make’ the trade you still have to sign the extension. you can put a clause into the trade to say it voids if you cant sign him but that doesnt change the fact that the twins only control one year
No, they have a window to sign the extension. He is currently only under control for one more year, but this shouldn’t be looked at as a rental by any means.
It’s as simple as this. Any deal is obviously contingent on the acquiring team to sign Santana to an extension. Otherwise, the deal is off. Which is another reason why so few teams are in the hunt.
right, but the guys you trade go to minnesota for ONE year of santana. then you pay santana money for a contract extension. i know that everyone is negotiating with the extension window in mind but that still doesnt change the fact that you should only be giving the twins value for one year of santana.
+2
no one’s trading for Johan w/o an extension. <–PERIOD
You get more than one year of Santana, you also get the right to prevent him from being a free agent next year by signing the extension. We would get “dibs” on him before hitting Free Agency, where given the exorbitant contracts being given out now who knows what would happen….
yeah, guys, i know all of these things. the question is how much do you compensate MINNESOTA just for the right to pay santana market value. i know everyone will want an extension, but youre still going to have to offer a huge, extremely risky contract. i cant stress risky enough. 7 years 150m for any pitcher is most likely going to be a bad deal, even if its santana. so how much is the right to negotiate a risky deal worth to minnesota, who only controls santana for one more year?
im not saying i dont want sanatana or that i want to value all of our prospects as sure things, but there is a reason people are holding back their #1 prospects and also why no one is thinking about trading a reliable star (ie reyes – which is an awful and stupid idea).
Your logic is finally making sense to me. Definitely a good point. I understand that there are different ways you can look at this.
However, here are a few different scenarios.
I think in the case of a guy like, say, Dan Haren. Arizona isn’t a big spending team, therefore his value to Arizona was much greater than it would be to us. Why? Because he is locked up for 3 more seasons. That’s why you saw 6 prospects being dealt to Oakland. Let’s face it, I think in the world of prospects, 6 mid-levels is much better than one “can’t-miss”. If for no other reason than the “can’t miss” prospect usually does in fact miss.
The problem with using that logic in this case (in my opinion anyway), is that we are a big market team that historically has spent money, though at times unwisely. All parties involved know this as it is no secret, therefore his market value to the teams involved in a deal is much greater than his market value to say, Kansas City.
you are definitely right about being big market and how we should be using that muscle. and thats why you only see the mets, yankes and sox really in the mix right now. i’d also love to see us get more aggressive in the draft. if we can pull this off i will be ecstatic. if the yankees and red sox get in some pissing contest tho, we may have to walk away. which will suck, but at least he’ll be in the al.
Ken Dynamo’s point that seems to be missed is that the Twins only have to give up one year of Santana. Its not as if they will just turn around and sign him to an extension So for what they are losing, they are getting excellent offers in return for that one year.
On the otherhand, allowing the new team the opportunity to keep Santana off the free agent market does have some value, but it seems the Twins are overvaluing that aspect of things right now…
yes, that is also what i mean. minnesota is losing santana after this year no matter what, so they have little in the way of trade leverage. basically, if they get more than the 2 draft pics then its a good deal for them (inpure baseball players on the field terms). however, yes, because you are keeping santana from other teams you’ll see some bidding war. how long the hold out and what they manage to get for him will be interesting.
It’s just two different ways of looking at it. I am looking at it from the buyer’s standpoint while you’re looking at it from the seller’s.
In it’s simplest sense, you are definitely right. The Twins are overvaluing his worth to them. But they have the right to, as he is considered the best pitcher in baseball and there is a market of big-market teams that want him.
His worth (trade value) is what he is worth to the buyer. That is what will determine the offers made.
The only thing the worth to the Twins drives is whether they take the offer or not.
This debate has clarified the issue a bit, in that it isn’t exactly trading a player.
The Twins are gaining prospects, but losing 1 year of service from Johan (although saving about $13,000,000 too!
The buyer is getting 1 year at 13mill, + exclusive negotiating rights to him for 72 hours (basically the privilege of giving him a monster contract without having to compete with other teams).
That is what the trade is actually for. Effectively, 2009+ is separate.
Might just be me, but Gomez + Mulvey + 2 other upper level prospects + 13mill in cash seems like a fair return for giving up 1 year of Santana’s pitching!
I don’t think the MLB would allow us to send cash to Minn for Santana. They usually only allow that to offset the salary the other team is taking on. Otherwise the Yankee’s would just trade Melky and 100 million to the Twins for Santana.
I think he means the 13 million that WON’T be on the Twins payroll if they trade him.
agreed.. sometimes too “smart” for his own good…I like his chats.. but there’s alot of arrogance.
Compared to Juan Gone and Sosa eh? We’ll lets start getting him juiced up!
If the Mets give up enough to secure Santana with the window to negotiate, the contract is an afterthought.
That being said, I hope he can be obtained without including Fernando Martinez.
And we know Santana is being traded this offseason. Santana could (or possibly has already), say he wants to be traded this offseason so he can secure his long-term deal. If not then he won’t accept a mid-year deal making the Twins haul for Santana be two possible prospects in the ‘09 draft.
It just makes too much sense to trade him before Spring Training.
Actually because Santana didnt finish in the top 3 in the Cy Young voting his no trade clause losing most of its power once opening day passes. So he could be traded in season without his permission.
http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/minnesota-twins_17.html
Yes but no team is going to trade for him without negotiating with him first and signing an extension. His veto power is in saying he wont sign with that team and if that team cant sign him during the window the deal would be off. So a team would have to be willing to accept him for just half a year. What kind of package do you think the twinkies could get under such circumstances? So dont think of it as losing a no-trade clause because Santana will still have the upper hand.
On the radio this morning Peter Gammons stated that Omar Minaya has given the Twins a list of prospects and the Twins can choose any 4 from the list
The question of the day is who’s on the list?
Roger Clemens, Andy Pettite, Paul Lo Duca.. Honestly I am not going to name all 84..
Oh, you mean THAT list….
I don’t think Fernando is on the list, that’s why the Twins are mad…
and that’s why Omar is a tard
Did I miss the Twins are mad part?
Are the Yankees “tards” for holding back Joba Chamberlain? Are the Red Sox “tards” for holding back Jacoby Ellsbury?
So why is Omar a “tard” if he holds back Fernando Martinez?
thats why omar has his job and we are posting messages on a blog. there is a lot more to this deal then OMG GET SAANTANA HE IS AWSUM!!!!11
there are a team of guys crunching numbers and scenarios for omar with this deal. scouts giving progress reports on our farm. we can know a lot these days, but what about insurance? that is an important issues and probably takes weeks to negotiate for these contracts. does anyone know how thats going?
Well, if gammons is right, then Omar is doing the correct thing. Setting his comfort level, and having the Twins fish or cut bait.
If the 4 best from the list aren’t good enough, then he should just move on to whatever plan Z is.
I hope Fmart and Guerra aren’t on the list, since those seem to be the 2 guys with real potential to be stars.
Not that soem of the other prospects couldn’t end up being great players, just harder to project it.
Say the list is Gomez, Mulvey, Humber, Neise, Smith, Carp, and a few others that we may not be familiar with.
Then, the Twins need to decide if 1 more year of Santana (keep in mind they do get his services if they keep him!0 + the 2 draft picks is going to be worth more than say
Gomez + neise + Mulvey + Carp.
Or I guess the package from the Sox or the Yankees.
At this piont, I am so tired of the silliness, that I just with the Twins would make a deal or officially pull him off the market and get this over with.
Time to go back to your lives people!
Oh, and at least 4 prospects, while still a lot for a rental, stops short of gutting the farm system, especially if Guerra and Martinez aren’t on it.
Santana at least is worth overpaying, in moderation of course!\\
Gomez and Mulvey seem to be the top prospects bandied about, and they should be able to find 2 more from the list that have potential. So just get it done!
Johan Santana will probably not waive his no-trade clause once the season starts. The best thing the Mets can do is to drag this on as long as possible, in the hopes that Santana get fed up and refuses to waive. Then they can sign him next year and still have all their prospects.
The more I thought about that comment, the more it actually makes sense. I thought that he would wind up saying that but then waive it once they made a deal with the Yanks for lesser guys (cut bait deal), but the Yanks wouldn’t give him an extension mid-season as easily as now, etc etc, so if they don’t trade Johan he will be a FA, since he has to no-trade. He would stand to make more money in the open market (imagine next year’s winter meetings??? Peter Greenberg is no Scott Boras, but I imagine he’s smart enough to know that Santana should not waive it midseason.
At some point Smith has to realize it’s now or never, and that Gomez, Mulvey, Heilman and Humber is not a terrible deal when you consider Hughes is off the table and the Sox wont include a second top guy with Ellsbury.
But, why not waive it mid season? He might go from an also ran to a serious WS contender, he can “test drive” a new city, and at year end he still gets to be a FA.
Only the Twins lose in this deal, although I guess Johan gives up his comfortable life in Minn, but what the heck, he is leaving at the end of the year anyway!
Dumb question, but is it definite that he has a no trade clause once the season starts? I know that his current one expired at the beginning of next season, but got extended if he did something (top 3 in cy young? Along those lines).
Although he could still refuse to negotiate, meaning that he would be a pure 2-3 month rental, so the haul would go way down, and the Twins likely wouldn’t do it.
So, a de facto no trade clause.
This game of “Santana Chicken” needs to end soon…….I just wish Smith would blink already !
The first question in Law’s chat talks about the potential free agents next year (winter 2008-09). Did you notice who was the first guy Law mentions as available next year?
Oliver Perez.
Maybe we should all spend less time yelling “Omar, get Johan”, and start yelling “Omar, re-sign OP”.
I agree 158.67%. And they should look to do it before they bring anyone else on, including Johan, since that sure won’t make the price go down!
This is the perfect case for making a buy-out of FA deal. Risk on both sides, so they should be able to do something at fair terms (if 4 years/60 million can be considered ‘fair!”)
If he has a huge, cy young type year, he might leave some money on the table. If he regresses and has an erratic year and a 4.5era, the mets might be stuck with a bad contract,.
so just get it done, since I would be willing to be real money in Vegas that if he hits FA, he is gone (and probably across town).
sign him up, and have a solid, young pair of SPs for the future to build around.
What is the point of Law saying that he wouldn’t trade Martinez for “One Year” of Santana? That’s a moot point. There is going to be an extension that comes along with the trade, as everyone knows.
Baseball America has him rated as the 17th best overall prospect. Thats amazin’ considering he is a corner outfielder and there are so many good corner outfields today. The prospects in front of him are mostly pitchers. Alot of them are on the dogers. I’m suprised they aren’t going after santana. I guess its better for the mets.
tough call. The Dodgers already have a strong rotation, and if these prospects are so good, maybe they don’t need to add a top end high $$ SP (figuring they can develop their own studs).
That, and don’t they have line-up issues that need to be addressed?
Cheap, young, high upside SP is like gold these days, so be careful how you trade it away!
It’s been said multiple times before, though I forget where, that Santana prefers the east coast, ’cause it’s a much shorter flight for his family…rather than cross country to LA, or Seattle, or Anaheim of LA or whatever the hell the Angels are called now…
His worth (trade value) is what he is worth to the buyer. That is what will determine the offers made.
The only thing the worth to the Twins drives is whether they take the offer or not.
This debate has clarified the issue a bit, in that it isn’t exactly trading a player.
The Twins are gaining prospects, but losing 1 year of service from Johan (although saving about $13,000,000 too!
The buyer is getting 1 year at 13mill, + exclusive negotiating rights to him for 72 hours (basically the privilege of giving him a monster contract without having to compete with other teams).
That is what the trade is actually for. Effectively, 2009+ is separate.
Might just be me, but Gomez + Mulvey + 2 other upper level prospects + 13mill in cash seems like a fair return for giving up 1 year of Santana’s pitching!
In your deal After Gomez there are no High prospects. Molvey might be the mets best pitching prospect but he isn’t that good compared to the yankees or red sox offers. (Lester, Hughs, Kennedy)
No, Gomez would be the equivalent of the Hughes, or the Lester, etc…the lesser prospects the other two teams are offering are the same as our lesser pitching propects…so what does Smith want more?
First of all, Johan Santana is not gonna be traded as a rental, IMO. There is way too much difference in the amount of trade value for him between a one year or an extension-signing situation for this to be a viable option – and I think that Santana would like to have his future decided sooner rather than later. And that takes into account his risk of injury in 08 bringing down his signing value and the chance for him to play on a contender in 08 also, considering the Twins have some strong contenders in their division now with the Tigers and Indians.
Secondly, as I’ve stated before, Omar would have to have a lot of balls to even think about looking the Twins’ GM in the eye after taking Reyes off the table and taking F Martinez off the table, too. He is part of the deal period, as much as we’d LOVE to keep him. Thems the realities of baseball. This new GM isn’t Jim Duquette – we’re not getting Santana for Victor Zambrano.
If the Mets Keep Martinez, he will be rushed and end up being nothing but mediocre. Trade him. Outfielders are easy to get.
I think that trading Fernando Martinez is not a bad thing. But i think if we trade him we should only need to give up 2 or 3 more prospects. Trading Gomez and and Martinez is the stupidest thing possible. Who will play left field next year? I think a package like Martinez Pelfrey Heilman and Humber. We would still keep Gomez Mulvey and Guerra.
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