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During a recent appearance on XM’s MLB Live, free-agent RHP Kyle Lohse said the following…
“Obviously, you want more years, and more security. This is the first chance I have of
getting security, every year up until now has been year to year. Obviously, the more years the better now, for security reasons, but I’m just looking for a team that has a chance to win, and I just want to be a part of that…It’s right around probably 3 (teams). We’re a little ways off, but working towards getting something done. It’s just a matter of getting together, waiting for some other trades/deals to happen or not, which influences the market.”
According to a report by George King roughly three weeks ago in New York Post, “It’s believed the Mets have made an offer to the 29-year-old for four years, but it’s not known if it is for the $10 million per he is seeking.”
However, the following day, in a report for Newsday, Ken Davidoff wrote that the Mets ‘do not seem particularly interested’ in free-agent starting pitchers Livan Hernandez, Carlos Silva or Lohse, ‘unless their prices drop.’
In 34 starts for the Reds and Phillies last season, the 29–year-old Lohse was 9–12 with a 4.63 ERA, while striking out 122 batters through 192 innings.
…thanks to Peter Wade for the information…
If trading away Pelfrey Humber etc to get Santana, then sure Lohse makes a good fit.
Anyone makes a good fit that’s a proven professional.
If Santana isn’t coming then….no
I agree with this guy above… the only way you look at this kind of mediocre Steve Traschel like innings eater is if you’re forced to give up 3 or 4 pitching prospects which necessitates finding this kind of guy to fill out your staff (e.g. no prospects, just money)
A number 5, and not even Steve Traschel numbers…. 4 years 40 mil is insane……..
Omar will never give Kyle Lohse a four year deal. NEVER. And he’d be crazy if he did.
Silva was a much better than Lohse and Omar wouldn’t give him a four year deal.
Why can’t Pelfrey just be our “ace” next season?
Seriously.
Is is that unfathomable that he or Humber “click” during Spring Training.
Why are we selling low like the O’s sold low on Maine or the Bucs sold low on Ollie?
And can we get Ollie an extension already?
I think the Mets are sick the way they’re currently built.
Seriously.
They were sick before the collapse, and it happened, but I think they’ll learn from it & grow.
They got so much youth that I believe will work out its kinks by mid-season, and probably the be most exciting team to watch.
Huh? Really?
well said, mr wilpon…
“They got so much youth”
?
Yeah, they really do (I think)
I wouldn’t have traded Reyes or Wright 4 years ago and I don’t want to trade F-Mart & Pelfrey now.
Pelfrey was rushed (a little, he needed more seasoning) & Humber got injured, TJ surgery usually needs 2 years to fully recover.
IMHO, I would think this would be their year to break out.
Trading so many high-ceiling, on the cusp of proving themselves (maybe) players when the Yankees & Red Sox are only offering 1 high-ceiling prospect each is a desperate move that makes little fundamental sense in negotiating.
I think Omar is playing his cards perfectly, knowing he has leverage (the National League), and multiple high-ceiling players (even if they aren’t as seasoned) he is ready to part with.
I optimistically believe the Twins will trade him to the Mets (eventually) but are trying to squeeze another great prospect out of them.
Omar keep playing tight, if it happens good, if not move on.
Why can’t Pelfrey just be our “ace” next season?
Because he stinks
Thank you.
Well said.
perfectly clear…
and what’s up with that plastic thing in his mouth?
I can’t believe that Pelfrey puts that chaw in his lower lip. He’s a good-looking kid, and that makes him look like a bad cartoon character.
Seriously.
Anyway, why give Lohser $10/year for a mid-4’s ERA. The kids can give us that.
It’s actually a mouthguard to keep him from grinding his teeth when he pitches.
Encino Mets: It doesn’t even have to be Pelf. We’ve got a LOAD of talent. LET THE KIDS PLAY.
Even though it is still the first week of January, I am going to go ahead and nominate Encino for the coveted “most optomistic Met fan” award for 2008. Looks like he has a good chance to be in the finals!
I do agree 100% that they need to get Ollie that extension, and soon, if possible.
Other than that, Pelfrey clicking isn’t impossible. Maybe not to be the Ace, but certianly to have a very good year (think Maine when he broke out).
The Mets definitely would be selling low on him. Humber I don’t see having a breakout year, but he could at least establish himself as a ML pitcher this year.
And they do have a lot of talent, and just might kick some serious butt.
Agreed. I am still hoping we get Santana without giving up Pelfrey or F-Mart. They are just too much to give for what is essentially a bidding cost to the Twins for the right to sign what amounts to an expensive (but worth it, unlike Zito) free agent.
Oh, forget Lohse. Hard to imagine that you are getting more than he has shown so far, and that is mediocre at best.
Might just as well try to snag Morris for 1 year by taking on the contract (for some nobodies). He is still probably a better pitcher, and you only have to make a 1 year commitment.
I was thinking the same thing about Morris. He was pretty pretty good against us in the 2006 playoffs (if I remember correctly).
Can’t we just trade “some nobodies” like you said and take a flyer on F. Garcia for the second half (depth w/ upside) and call it an off-season. Roll the dice on the young guys. I’d rather win & lose with them, then on a high-priced FA.
If I can draw a NY sport comparison, look at the NY Giants.
The 2006 team was pretty pretty good, they had some injuries, then a collapse, but snuck into the playoffs but lost the first game.
They did NOTHING during the offseason and everybody predicted they would finish last in the NFC East and Coughlin would get canned.
Look who’s come of age and is now hot to trot.
NYC seriously lacks patience.
The 2 time champion Marlins, now they have patience and two more rings than us lately.
The Mets fans clamoring for Santana at all costs are the same ones at the poker table going all in with 9, 10 suited.
Dudes, have some patience before we get fleeced by the more patient teams.
“Nails”! Is that you?
Lohse takes more balls off the chin than Jessica Simpson
even thinking about 4 years for lohse should get somebody fired…. if 4 years is ok for that stiff we should whoever and offer johan 12years
Please no Kyle Lohse.
encinomets is by far the biggest 1diot i have ever seen post … thank you .. ill be sure to invite u to my fantasy baseball league next year so i can draft pelfrey and trade him to you for brandon webb
So you think I’m an idiot?
Ok. Great. But I don’t see your insightful justification.
Or any intelligence or thoughtfulness whatsoever.
Just a silly fantasy trade I wouldn’t accept, nor gave you any reason I would.
Among things I’ve said that you could have taken umbrage at, were that we should hold on to our young, high-ceiling AAA arms instead of frittering them away at a dime a dozen. And maybe, just maybe a prospect develops (wow! imagine that) and maybe eve becomes “ace” material, a la Kazmir.
I would be willing to part with 3 arms plus Gomez for Santana & Santana only, but wouldn’t be heart-broken and stressed out like some of you poor, suffering “I need to win now” fair-weather fans.
Well I’m not going to call you an “idiot”, because there’s no need to be rude, but your post was a bit out there. I mean c’mon, what exactly would lead you to believe that Pelfrey could be an ace next season? You asked if it was that “unfathomable” that he (or Humber) click in ST. Well Pelfrey did click in ST last year, and then he sh*t the bed in the big leagues.
And the whole youth thing doesn’t make much sense, because except for Reyes/Wright the whole team is going to be veterans.
Veterans can be youth also. Mid-20s is still considered young in BB terms, even if they are veterans.
If pelfrey makes the rotation again, 3/5 of the SPs will be “youth” (Perez and Maine being the others.
On the field, Reyes and Wright obviously. Beltran and Church are still in their 20’s (or did Carlos hit 30?), but anyway, are still at least young enough to be considered in their “prime (26-32ish).
That Leaves Schneider (32 I think) and Castillo as just passing their prime, and Delgado, Alou and Duque as legit old farts that are about done.
Wagner and Pedro have some years, but they are hopefully still going to be “crafty veterans” for another year!
Gilch:
1. Just because someone has an idea is different than yours doesn’tmake them an idiot; however, your comment shows that you are an unthinking automaton and a product of your impatient generation.
2. EncinoMets ideas are not idiotic in the least. While you may disagree, they are logical, rational arguments. Your ad hominem statement displays your complete lack of intelligencefor rational discourse.
3. Your fantasy baseball analogy is completely false and shows your inability to argue a point.
4. Suck it h8ter!
5. LET THE KIDS PLAY!
This is another example of people overreacting and looking for reasons to jump down the throat of Omar and the Mets because of some dope with a newspaper column writing some rumor. I mean if the Mets made a 4 year offer to Lohshe wouldn’t he be on the team by now? This rumor was from George King who covers the Yankees not the Mets, and of course the next day there was a report saying the complete opposite.
Everyone yaps about “Freddy Coupons” and yet they believe they would spend 4 years at 30-40 mill on an average 5th starter. How is he cheap yet willing to spend money on a guy like that??
There is no way they are giving this guy a lot of money. At best it’ll be a late signing for insurance and he’ll probably get at most 2 years if they are even interested
i’m really tired of hearing about Lohse, Garcia, Livan, Colon, etc. This is the NEW YORK Mets. This team is becoming a perennial contender, has a nice young core, has its own TV network, a stadium on the way….and they just raised our ticket prices a considerable amt. And they’re talking about Kyle Lohse and all these other hack pitchers? We lost out on Haren already. Bedard has seemed to vanish from our radar. And Santana doesn’t