Comments on: Quote: Lieber Likes New York

By: Nate W.

Nate W. — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:10:28 +0000

I recall it being very mixed, but nearly everyone as looking for 90+ wins. There was certainly a lot more optimism and positive thoughts than right now. But yes, it wasnt as bad as I said here.

I was also on NYFS forum and it seems over the top optimistic there. I guess thats what did it.

By: therealsince86

therealsince86 — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:04:00 +0000

I understand your point but its all about options. If we can’t get Santana and the A’s want too much for Blanton and Colon is injured and Garcia is not ready and Loshe wants 40 million…….
That is our point, if you want an innings eater this offseason you have to keep your backup plans open.

By: zen

zen — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:01:35 +0000

if the mets already have 2 guys in the rotation who may or may not be healthy and who will likely miss a bunch of starts: why would you want to add another old, unreliable pitcher? if they had 4 healthy, young starters then sure. not with the current staff and bullpen without depth (pen will have no arm strength left by the all-star break)

By: therealsince86

therealsince86 — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:59:32 +0000

Nate I hate to differ with you but most posters on here were very realistic about last year before the season started. We thought it would be a dog fight that we would eventually win and we would win 88-92 games. It was our hot start that got everyone all in an uproar. I still see us being a #3-5 starter away from that same record and a Santana away from 95 wins.

Either way, I still agree that we need to add a #5 either way. I would not depend on Elduque, Pedro and Pelfrey. Lessen the potential blow by taking out at least 1 of those 3. Obviously Pedro is not coming out so….. If we get 1 #5 then Pelfrey is bumped and then if we add an ace then Elduque is bumped.

By: stickguy

stickguy — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:34:48 +0000

Good point. If they get a new #5, then Pelfrey is the 6th man I guess. #7 is Humber/Mulvey, unless they pick up some other AAA “stud”, or go with Vargas.

I am fine if Pelfrey comes in. But, if you stand pat, Pelfrey (as of today) is already in the rotation. So, who is the #6 guy? Start with Humber? or right to Lima time?

The Mets seem to have this backwards. Most teams start with the Vets, and replace them with young guys tearing up the minors. The Mets start the young guys, and replace them with washed up vets!

By: Nate W.

Nate W. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:23:42 +0000

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with the team as it is right now 81-85 wins,
with the start numbers I noted above 84-88 wins,
with Santana and no AAA depth 86-90 wins.

btw, this time last year I predicted that the Mets would win 87-89 games and win the division by one game… It was received with much ridicule and 100 win kool-aid drinking.

By: bxsci insight

bxsci insight — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 16:11:28 +0000

Hey Nostra Damas do know how many wins we will get next year

By: Nate W.

Nate W. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:52:48 +0000

Millwood and Lieber instead of Pedro and Duque… interesting idea. With those two contracts, no room in the budget to sign Pedro, and then no need to trade for Duque because both were still healthy when that trade happened…

Thier chances in the 2006 playoffs would have been better, although Millwood was the only healthy one of the four at the time. But they likely wouldnt have gotten there in the first place without Pedro.

By: Nate W.

Nate W. — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:48:46 +0000

27 starts in two of those non ‘full seasons’ isnt really a problem. I mean, we have two of those in Duque and Pedro… and 3rd guy like that would fill out the four starters… and still leave a few starts as a #5

Maine 34 starts
Perez 34
Pedro 27
Lieber 27
Duque 27 or less
Pelfrey 13 or more

Humber/Mulvey/Bostick hopefully less than 5 starts, but to fill in as needed if the numbers above are too high. I don’t think this is too unrealistic.

I’d take my chances with that over any other non trade for Santana scenario…

By: MealTicket

MealTicket — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:44:50 +0000

The “shambles” part refers not to the pitchers themselves, whom I happen to like. It refers to what the team does when the inevitable occurs. Both Pedro and Duque are certain to miss starts, possibly a lot of them. Rummaging around the bargain bins for a #5 and imagining that such a move will suffice is naive, in my view.

Here’s the problem, simply stated: Pedro can’t be the ace going into the season. He’s too fragile. He’s reinventing himself as a pitcher at an advanced age. He’s an awesome pitcher, but let’s not be unrealistic about what he can accomplish.

I like Heilman, too, but only as a #5. If we acquire the Lieber/Morris hybrid, we have too many #5s going into the season, and not enough #1s and #2s.