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According to Joe Christensen of the Minnesota Star Tribune, the Twins have told the Mets they can have 
Johan Santana if they add OF Fernando Martinez to their current offer of OF Carlos Gomez and RHPs Deolis Guerra, Kevin Mulvey and Phil Humber.
Christensen writes that while the Yankees and Red Sox both remain in the sweepstakes, “Ultimately, the Mets might be the best fit.”
Christensen speculates that Santana is looking for a five- or six-year contract worth at least $20 million per season.
…this is in line with what cerrone has written all along…literally, the twins want the Mets to give up the farm…
…personally, i might do it…the Mets, regrettably, did not go all out for Pedro Martinez after the 1997 season when the Expos put him on the block - and ten years later, it feels like that scenario could be replaying itself...
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So we could trade for Santana and still keep Pelfrey (despite the criticism he gets, he has very good stuff)? Get it done and I’ll book the flights myself.
i’m embarrassed that we still talking about this.
with this guy, this team can win it all. NOW.
are the prospects we keep putting us in a world series game next year?
trade them all! we are 1 of the 4 teams that can pay for them if they turn out to be all-stars and hall of famers, right? why not let them develop somewhere else??? ESPECIALLY the AL, where they can’t really hurt us.
the end. trade them all. get him and win the belt, brother.
BRING ME THE HEAD OF JOHAN SANTANA!!
Don’t you mean the left arm of Johan Santana? As well as the rest of him?
I want his arm, not his head! lol
THAT IS A NO BRAINER.
WE HAVE 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS.
AND THERES NO WAY ANY OF THESE GUYS WILL TURN INTO THE BEST PLAYER IN BASEBALL.
THEY MIGHT BE GOOD. BUT NOT THE BEST.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME METS HAD THE BEST PLAYER AT A POSITION?
MIKE PIAZZA WHO TURN THE TEAM AROUND.
BESIDES HIM IT WAS TOM FREAKEN SEAVER.
i know there was other players…
i am just saying its been soo darn long…..
if the mets get johan…
its like basically shorten a series…..in the playoffs…
the way baseball are being run..
a starting pitching has a chance to pitch 3 times in a 7 game series…
give the man his money….
before Mike Piazza, it was Dwight Gooden in 1985
Who is the best Center Fielder in baseball??
One could argue we have him…..
Anyway, back to the original point….F-Mart might be too much icing on the cake to give the Twins…
If I include F-Mart in the proposed deal according to the article, either Gomez or Guerra has GOT TO come out of the deal….
So…F-Mart, Guerra, Mulvey, Humber OR F-Mart, Gomez, Mulvey, Humber….
Giving them 5 guys and basically 3 of your top 4 in Gomez, F-Mart, Guerra, (Pelfrey being the 4th), is just way too much….
4 of the 6 Twins…mix and match…take your pick….but you aren’t getting 5….
I agree…. but only to an extent. i think the Twins are asking a bit to much, so they should throw in F-Mart in exchange for taking one of the other prospects out.
OR
I’d give em everyone they asked for if, in exchange, we get Johan AND Joe Nathan
HELL, I’D EVEN GIVE EM HEILMAN FOR THOSE TWO!
lets not go nuts but i definitely agree that fmart in = someone else out. ive said this before, if the twins keep him and he signs somewhere (likely nyy, bos, nym) their compensation will be comparable if not worse than what we got for glavine. 4 players is plenty to get this deal done. please omar getting johan and keeping pelfrey in my mind is an absolute total victory for this team.
Carlos Beltran CF
good point…..do the trade OMAR. and Freddie, please just pay the man his money and then ENJOY THE RIDE
If this is what it will take to get the deal done, then do it. The price does appear high, but we are talking about the pitcher in the game right now!!!!
Forget getting an ace through free agency. Teams are now locking them up before they hit the market. In addition, look at the number of prospects that Arizona had to send to Oakland for Haren. Haren is good, but he is no Santana. Finally, in this scenario, we still get to keep Pelphrey. I think he has the biggest upside of all of the Met pitching prospects anyhow.
OMAR - DO THE DEAL!!!!!!
Freakin’ Dan Haren got mutiple prospects for his deal. We are only giving up PROSPECTS. DO IT
Having to give up Martinez would hurt, but being able to keep Pelfrey while acquiring Santana would be a coup
There’s no way you could turn this down if you’re Omar Minaya right now which leads me to believe that this is nothing but speculation
No and no! One pitcher no matter how good isn’t worth the whole farm system.
Unless the Mets have over valued F-Mart then this isn’t my idea of a trade.
This team is built to win NOW! So we can not possibly miss out on another opportunity to acquire a key player. As sad as I am to lose the kids, I can’t help it but to think this is possibly our last chance to get anything close of a remarkable pitcher that is Johan Santana. Pedro, Santana, Maine, Perez and Pelfrey, Are you not salivating like I am? (I’m heterosexual by the way) I’m sorry, but lets get Johan and get this ring already.
If nothing else, they should lead the league in Ks!
That is a nice looking rotation. Just plug Duque in the 5 hole to start, send Pelfrey to AAA to master all his pitches, and hope for health.
Pelfrey would come up for the first injury.
There better not, however, be a second injury, since that would lead to Lima/Lawrence time, since every other ML plausible SP was just traded away.
No no, you can’t trade all three in one deal. Our three best prospects, F-Mart and Guerra are gonne be God’s soon. NOO
bluNoway2go : Mortgage the future for now? We have plenty of young players like Wright & Reyes who deserve a future. You sound like the perfect candidate to be a Yankee fan. Look how that has worked out these past number of years for them. One player or even pitcher is not enough to put the Mets over the top but half their farm could.
Pass on Santana. PLEASE!
Please spare me your Yankee heresy by questioning my team loyalty, obviously you must be too stupid to realize that our system has yet to produce a top notch starter (other than Kazmir) or an all-star position player (Lastings Miledge). We have jeopardize numerous times to acquire a started for example Zito in 2006 and we all know how that ended. Obviously I’m no GM, but I’m certainly entitled to my opinion so therefore no need for name calling or assumptions. Your the idiot that wants to keep an unproven farm and I want to see the best pitcher in baseball pitching for the Mets in 2008.
Ok, Kazmir :: all star starter, yes!
Milledge :: all star position player… uh WHAAAAAT???
have you guys ever negotiated for anything? The more we go the more it’s obvious that the Mets are the best Match (yankees not interested, sox only interested if the mets are) … Omar has a strong hand and is trying to get the best deal possible. That is his job I believe.
Oh yeah, and “fire rick down”
knee jerk over reaction single handedly ruins blog discourse
..i meant sox only interested if yankees are…….
Oh my God…..you’re right bluNoway2go !!!! Since we haven’t produced a top notch starter we should absolutely give Minnesota ALL of our best prospects right now for one player (who will be on the field every 5th day and command @ $20M per yr for the next 6-7 years) !!!!
I can’t believe that Omar didn’t just put this package right out there to start with !!!
As I have stated previously on this blog…..I would LOVE to play poker with some of the people who post on this site !!! If you are patient enough we may just be able to do this deal WITHOUT DECIMATING THE ENTIRE FARM SYSTEM…..Cashman and Hal don’t want to tie up the $$’s that it would take to sign Johan and the only reason Hankee the Yankee wants him is to keep him away from Boston…..Boston wants to keep him away from the Yanks and they are already in great shape for pitching anyway…..Bill Smith is basically playing a big stakes game of chicken and hoping Omar will jump first by adding Fmart to an already solid offer……it’s not like the Yanks or Sox will make an offer and Smith wouldn’t at least give us a last chance to better ours.
Stay the course Omar…….don’t cave in…..MAKE THE BEST DEAL POSSIBLE (even if that turns out to be no deal !)
LET’S GO METS !!!!!
yea the yankees are such a failure of a franchise (12 years straight in the playoffs) god why would anyone want to emulate that. the yankees also proved that you can turn around your depleted farm system in about 2 years as long as you flex the money muscles. so spare me the “mortgage the future” gun shy no risk no reward bs. pay out of slot this year and next year and i guarantee you our farm system will be improved even with player x y and z departing.
Yeah, throwing money out at draft picks will make them really good. Worked with the Yankees and Brian Taylor didnt it. Guerra and Martinez are high high end and come along few and far between. Last ones the Mets drafted with this high end were Gooden and Strawberry, so dont say a couple of first rounders and some money can replace them cause it cant. Omar knows this and is trying to get the deal done without giving them both up. Let him try because this is way too much talent compared to what the Sox and Yanks are being asked to give up.
Wow, your rhetoric is as useful as some of these other geniuses who think our best strategy is to wait til the price goes down. Yeah your right guys look at what our fabulous strategy of attrition did for us with Zito, oh wait San Francisco came out of nowhere and swiped him which exactly the same dilemma the Mets are risking with Johan. Johan is the best pitcher in baseball and thus, deserves a King’s ransom, but you think that 4 of our “highly” touted prospects are enough. It’s either quantity or quality and its fair to say that quantity is all the Mets have to show. And for the record, your insertion of the Yankees as an example is just simply counterproductive, the Yankees have a better farm than us so whats your argument.
If they are built to win now, what happens in a few years when those guys (Delgado, Alou, and whoever plays RF) are gone?
People keep talking about never having any homegrown talent become stars. They finally have a few and now they are supposed to trade them? As an Islanders fan, I know that all too well.
This trade could be made for less. If not, the Twins can keep him for now and Omar can get him as a free agent. there is no guarantee the Mets even get to the playoffs just because of Johan alone.
You also fail to mention that there are fans that complain about the trades the Mets DON’T make that otherwise would improve the ball club emphatically. The idea that Johan would not make the Mets into a playoff contender is just down right preposterous.
please explain how a team that won 88 games last year and missed the playoffs by 1 game will not be a playoff team after adding the best pitcher in baseball and subtracting NO MAJOR LEAGUE TALENT (including pelfrey whos AAAA talent).
Just to clarify my stance, I want Santana. I just feel that he could be had for less. These Mets offers are much more than anything the Yanks or Sox have offered. Omar can wait it out and get him for less. The Twins are not going to re-sign him and will eventually lose him for nothing. They will have to back down on their demands at some point.
I said it is no guarantee they would make the playoffs, I didn’t say they would or would not make it. Yes, Santana is the best pitcher in the game but he does not solve their bullpen problems nor does he help the fact that they will get little production out of RF and C or provide insurance against another declining year from Delgado and another injury filled season from Alou or even Castillo.
Also, in a few years, what good will Santana be if he doesn’t have a good team behind him? We have seen it a million times, you cannot build a team on free agency alone, it just doesn’t work.
Prospects are prospects. No matter what you think they can achieve, their futures aren’t certain. Why not trade them for a known commodity? Plus it’s not like we’re mortgaging the future for a bum. This is the best pitcher in baseball. This is a guy who is probably going to the Hall of Fame, and for the next team he plays for. Are you really going to pass up on a chance to get a Hall of Fame-caliber pitcher when he’s only 29 because you THINK Fernando Martinez, Gomes, et al COULD be very good players?
Who is Gomes?
It’s a risk reward situation. We trade the prospects they become stars, or they fail. We trade for Santana, he has his first arm injury. You don’t know whats going to happen. Our team is built to win now, but if we dump are farm we may end up being bad for years to come.
Oh my God…….another GREAT theory !!!
Since we don’t know if our prospects will be great or not, let’s just deal them all away !!!
You would have to be the greatest GM ever……for about 20 minutes.
Have ANY of you paid ANY attention to what the Braves have done over the past decade and a half ???? How many pennants and division titles have they won WITH MOSTLY HOMEGROWN TALENT !!??? When the Spankee’s were winning championships, it was done with a lot of homegrown talent and some “character” players added in.
Here’s the formula…………
Build the system……promote from within…..add complimentary players to put you over the top…win over the long haul…..build a DYNASTY !!!!!
the following players from the 2007 boston red sox were NOT homegrown:
david ortiz, manny ramirez, josh beckett, dice K, curt schilling, mike lowell, JD drew, Okijima, coco crisp
there isnt an exact mixture of homegrown and non homegrown talent needed to win. the formula is simple put the best team on the field and you will win. the 97 marlins were not exactly a homegrown team either.
How long did that 97 team last ???
Again….let’s build to win for the LONG HAUL….is Boston structured that way now…maybe. Did the Braves win for over a decade…..YES.
I would much rather the Mets be there for numerous years than being a “one and don