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According to the Houston Chronicle, the Astros have signed free-agent OF Victor Diaz to minor league contract and invited him to spring training.
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HOW WAS OMAR NOT IN ON THIS
That’s all well and good, but how does it relate to Johann Santanta?
and who is Johann Santanta :)
he’s a high-ceiling prospect. Maybe he can close for us someday.
That is funny. Love the sarcasm.
Another former mets prospect who amounted to absolutely nothing.. and at one time was a minor leauge batting champion, and drawing comparisons to Manny Ramirez.. he was the top prospect we got back in the Jeromy Burnitz deal..
Anyone have any other questions? Trade the prosects and getting friggen Johan already
that would make diaz a dodgers prospect. not a mets prospect.
reyes, wright, kazmir, heilman, bannister, bell, lindstrom have turned out quite well the last few years.
I’m sorry regarding Bannister, Bell and Lindstrom..One season does not a carrer make….How about 10 years of real experience or 3-5 years of great play.
reyes, wright, kazmir are all-star level talent.
bell was one of the best set-up guys in mlb last year.
heilman is solid. lindstrom has a solid year.
bannister won 12 games for a bad team with a 3.87era in the al
that not: “amounted to absolutely nothing”
if the wilpons actually spent $ the mets would be on the level of the top organization. now they’ve done okay
how many teams have developed 3 all-stars in the last 5 year?
Kazmir aside, as it turns out, the Mets took some calculated risks in trading th elikes of Bannister, Lindstrom and Bell for what they got in return. Althugh those returns did not pan out, the trades were essentially potential for potential in categories of need for both teams.
That being said, trading prospects for a Cy Young winner still in his prime wiht the ability to pitch complete games (what are those?) and provide consistent rest for the Mets bullpen’s better set-up guys would make the team stronger ni many ways:
1) a solid #1 that pushes some already good pitchers back a slot. 2) A stronger bullpen with an innings-eater who can allow Heilman, Smith, Feliciano, et al to pitch less often, therefore being more effective. and 3) The best playerto wear #57 in Mets history, supplanting Eric Valent.
Who kows if Martinez becomes the next Manny Ramirez or the next Victor Diaz? The same goes for Gomez. The Mets already have great speed and can develop more young players. Santana is NOT Victor Zambrano, this will still be a better trade than the Viola one even if Mulvey and Humber win 15 each and Gomez hits .290 and steals 50.
Hmm.. let see. Phillies (Utley, Howard, Hammels, and maybe Rollins.. dont’ know when his rookie year was)
Marlins – Willis, Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez (dont know if he made the game yet, no denying he’s all star talent), toss in Ugla to that mix who did make the all star game so that’s 4
(there’s two teams in our own division)
Twins – Mauer, Monreu, Johan, and I think Liriano made it the one year before his shoulder blew..
Rockies – Francis, Atkins, Fuentes to go along with Helton every year
Blue Jays – Hallady, Rios, Veron Wells, and if Kazmir somehow applies to the Mets then Chris Carpentner does to the Jays as well
Oakland for fun.. pick a 5 year gap that includes any combination of Giambi, Tejada, Chavez, Hudson, Zito, Mulder and more recently Swisher, Haren, and Street…
So there’s 6 teams off the top of my head..
Cleveland probably counts too (CC, Seizmore, Victor Martinez, Hafner)
3 all star players in 5 years is not such an un common feat
marlins: hanley is a red sox prospect
twins: santana was an astros prospect. liriano a giants prospect
rockies: those are not all-star. they’re decent guys who have made the team once
blue jays: wells has been playing for almost 10 years. halladay even longer
oakland: none of those are in the last 5 years (not the all-stars)
so you found 1 or 2. in other words, there are few teams that have done it. very few.
wow.. you are crazy…. how did I find 1 or 2???
Phillies are 1.. you didn’t argue that one… Clevenad is 2.. Hafner, Victor Martinez, Hafner, Carmona, and CC Sabitha… jeez that’s what 5???
Rockies? Are you crazy? Kazmir has made at one game, and he counts? But Atkins and Fuentes (whose made it twice) doesn’t? I also frogot the runner up to the MVP Matt Holiday.. and Tulowitky is a real talent but buried in the NL.. so that’s a huge 3…
Evenwithout Hanley that’s 3 for the Marlins in Cabrera, Willis, and Uggla.. I’m pretty sure one of Olsen or Josh Johnson made the game… so that’s 4….
Santana was what a rule V pick? How can you not give them Credit for those? Liriano was a throw in as well.. Santana’s first ML game was with the Twins.. they were the ones who found him and beleived in him… that’s 5…
Oakland has at least two.. Haren started the game last year.. Street has made it as well.. and I’m pretty sure there was a 5 year period when Street, Zito, Mulder, Tejada and Chavez made all the star game together..
Now that I’ve had time to look at this.. I even found a few more:
The Orioles.. Markakis, Berdard, BJ Ryan.. and we all know John Maine.. and by your logic he’s an orioles prospect
The Brewers have 2 big ones in Prince and Ryan Bruyan, and have probably had a 3rd all star to go with them in the past 5 years.. Sheets, Turnbow, etc..
The Sox.. Papelbon, Pedoria, Youkillis.. and soon to be Ellsbury, Bucholtz, and by your logic they get Hanley as well..
Face it.. producing 3 all star caliber players in a 5 year span is NOT THAT IMPRESSIVE
making an all-star game doesn’t make you an all-star player. reyes, wright, and kazmir are perennial all-star. top of mlb talent.
uggla? 1 all-star game. not of their level
street? 0 all-star games
haren? 1 all-star game/season. lots of hype though
liriano was developed by the giants not the twins
you names guys from 10 years ago.
as i said you have a couple of teams. there are 30 teams. maybe 5 have produced better in the last 5 years
kaz, reyes and wrigt belong in a class by themselves…
Bannister, Bell and Lindstrom only get attention because they brought us crapola.. which fans have every right to be mad about…
They should not be mad that a bunch of unprovens could bring us the best pitcher of this generation in his prime.
And the list of Mets flameouts is long and wonderous.. from generation K.. to grant robters, alex escobar, Jay Payton, Billy Traber, Jason Tyner, Geoff Gotez, Neil Musser…
There are always going to be more duds than success stories. Of course, to use this as the logical basis for advocating trading every prospects that comes up through the system, well that’s just being stupid.
brian bannister? give me a break the guy is a 4-5 starter are you seriously going to try to say hes some great product of a farm system. if humber and mulvey turn into brian bannisters on the twins i doubt anyone would give a crap if we had #57 trotting out every 5th day.
slob, since there are more failures than success why not play the % which are NOT in your favor when you have prospects and trade them for someone who not only has succeeded but is arguably the best at his position. its more likely santana will continue his success here than our prospects will have ANY success as mets.
Hey Slob…
Assuming every prospect we have will be as successfull as Wright or Reyes is also “stupid”
Given the flameouts far exceed the success stories.. especially in mets’ organization… it seems to favor trading the unknown.. the best pithcer on the planet.. in his prime… that’s all I’m saying..
If you want to stick with name calling to try and prove a point, well.. good luck with that.
What you’re advocating is trading a load of prospects for a guy you’re going to have to pay 200 million dollars, based entirely on the logic that, in the past, prospects haven’t worked out. This is stupid. Stupid stupid stupid. Each player, prospect or veteran, should be examined on his own merits and accomplishments and potential. We shouldn’t trade Carlos Gomez because Jay Payton didn’t become an MVP. And as good as Santana is, he’s not worth Gomez, Martinez, Guerra, Mulvey, and Humber.
When are people going to learn? The money doesn’t matter! The Mets orgainization will make that 200MM (just throwing this number out there since it has been mentioned in the above post) back by the time the contract is over…especially now with the new stadium and a competitive team. Do the deal, get Santana and a marginal low A prospect for these guys, make the playoffs, maybe the WS next year and keep going. Santana alone is going to make the Mets money, even if you factor in a large salaray like that…look at Pedro. The money makes no sense to worry about.
seriously.. the only thing stupid is thinking that gomez, martinez, guerra, mulvey, and humber will be the backbone of a world series championship team.. even if that were to happen..
That is inline with what the D-backs paid for Haren.. and what the Ms are about to pay for Berdard..
and who gives a fly f*** what money Santana costs.. we can give Beltran 119, Martinez 4 years.. and countless other contracts.. but you have a problem with this one?
Please… we have our own TV network, and are about to have a brand new stadium.. there is plenty of money to go around.
Slob always resorts to name calling. I had the pleasure of getting into it with him one time because he told me all fireman are overpaid, useless, and we all use 911 as a crutch. Ignore his antics guys.
Way to go, liar.
Ok…Would Bannister Bell and Lindstrom get you Santana? I don’t think so. They are average Major Leaguers. Easily replaced. To me Humber, Guerra, Mulvey and Gomez will be average to good Major leaguers, F-Mart could be anything…Santana IS something and I would get him.
I think your severely insulting Manny Ramirez when you refer to Victor Diaz as “Mini-Manny.”
These two have absolutely nothing in common. Whoever came up with the whole comparison to begin with is an idiot.
Aside from maybe liking the same kinds of food and their last names both ending with Z….thats where the similarities stop.
Ramirez is one of the best hitters the game of baseball has ever seen and has demolished almost every pitcher hes ever seen, hitting balls out of Fenway that now have their own orbital pull.
Victor Diaz is a minor league all-star who can’t do jack at the major league level. A never is….a never was.
I think we can all exhaust the comparison between these two.
Lets just refer to Victor Diaz as Victor Diaz. And thats that.
That is the whole point of the comments being made on here.. the guy who dubbed him the next Ramriez is only “an idiot” as you call him.. because he never became a worthwile major leauge player…
Hindsight is always 20/20… something that everyone whose putting F-mart and Gomez in the HOF seem to forget
It’s a joke. It goes back to the way he was hyped by Mets fans several years ago, during his cup-of-coffee with the Mets.
Thanks for keeping up.
metsmachine is secretly Super Dave Osborne.
i think thats the joke. and more evidence to trade for santana.
The nickname arose due to the uncanny similarities in their batting stance and follow through. Diaz even said that he modeled himself after Ramirez.
But, uh, way to take things too seriously.
I just looked at Victor Diaz’s stats from this past year (albeit) limited duty with the Rangers. He only managed 1 walk with over 100 AB’s. Wow, he really does suck.
The best thing abouit the Mets NOT going after Victor Diaz and the Astros signing him is that the Mets can now set their sights on prying Reggie Abercrombie from the Marlins to be the next Mets’ LF. He has a carrer slugging percentage of 2.000 against Roger Clemens! Not only that, i fhe can learn to walk, he could steal a ton of bases while being a power threat off the bench!
It might take a Mike Carp or Angal Pagan to get Abercrombie, but it’s well worth it… Maybe the fish will take Ambiorix Burgos off our hands as well.
Reggie Abercrombie sucks.
“Mini-Manny.” That’s funny. Comedy gold.
Yeah, Victor Diaz is just like a smaller version of Manny Ramirez, except without all of the talent.
victor diaz once tagged up from 2nd to 3rd on a deep fly ball with the mets winning 17-0
subsequently inspiring the name of my fantasy team- The 17-0 Tagups