Matthew Cerrone

Buzz: Santana in the Driver’s Seat
By Matthew Cerrone - Jan 11, 2008 8:17 am

According to multiple reports, the Mets may be in the driver’s seat with regards to Twins LHP Johan Santana.

…from what i can tell, it’s not the Mets or the Twins who are in the driver’s seat, though, it’s santana who is in the driver’s seat…

…yesterday’s report in the Star-Tribune really kicked up a lot of buzz, most of which i had been writing for weeks, and some that i had been sitting on but which is now slowly being confirmed…

…in the last day or so i have talked with people who are involved in these talks and who are closely watching it from the inside, as well as people who are connected to santana, and while a lot of details may be up left to interpretation, one thing for certain is that the Mets are seriously interested, they are the only major, pro-active player who is dealing with the Twins and things between the two sides are progressing…

According to WFAN’s Mike Francesa, speaking on air yesterday afternoon, the Twins continue to ask the Mets for Jose Reyes, which is essentially holding up the trade.

…from what i can gather, having talked with people connected to the teams and to reyes and to santana, as i wrote back in December, the Mets and Twins understand who can and cannot be involved in a potential trade…and while i believe the Mets are open to trading Fernando Martinez, though they do not want to and still feel they may not have to, the Twins understand that Jose Reyes is totally off the table - despite what francesa is saying, and others are reporting from time to time…

…by the way, thanks to Peter Wade for the WFAN information

Meanwhile, according to today’s Daily News, as well as the Bergen Record, the Twins have yet to decide if they want major league-ready pieces or prospects.

…actually, i have heard it this way as well, which may be why some people keep fixating on reyes…i wonder if people hear ‘major-league ready talent’ and logically assume it means reyes…i rarely, if ever, hear specific names mentioned - so, to me, i have always interpreted ‘major-league ready talent’ to mean Aaron Heilman, because, from what i understand, the Twins have no interest in acquiring and paying a player like reyes, who is due roughly $20 million over the next three years…

…as for the Mets competition, as long as the Yankees hold on to Phil Hughes, which they still intend to do, the Mets are the only major, pro-active player for santana, who, by the way, still prefers to be on the Mets - as i have been writing for weeks…

…additionally, as i understand it, santana wants to know who he will be pitching for before pitchers and catchers report, especially if he’ll be switching leagues like he prefers to do - which is why i believe there will be a conclusion to this story before February, i.e., two to three weeks…

…so, if santana prefers to be on the Mets, as others have started to write of late as well, my question is: just how badly does he want that to happen…because, in some ways, he can dictate where he ends up…

Remember, in late October, he told the Star-Tribune that he will waive his no-trade clause - assuming he is appropriately compensated and is traded to a team with a legitimate chance of winning a World Series.

Later that month, reports indicated that Santana would consider vetoing a trade during the season so to encourage the Twins to make a move before opening day.

…from what i can tell, the Twins best card to play is ‘time,’ i.e., being able to drag their feet while being indecisive in hopes that a team like the Mets get nervous and overpay just to get a deal done…meanwhile, the Mets best card to play is understanding that santana prefers to pitch for them…

…the thing is, to what extent will santana go to force minnesota’s hand, which would then eliminate their luxury of time and help the Mets as well

77 Responses to “Buzz: Santana in the Driver’s Seat”

  1. Shea Faithful says:

    I don’t seem to understand how the Twins can still be demanding Reyes, and any reports of this are avoiding the reality that the Mets are the only team negotiating with any forward progress. That can always change, but the Yankees and Red Sox seem to be leaning in other directions. If this is indeed a one-horse race at the moment, why should the Mets even budge on Martinez, let alone Reyes? It’s a staring contest and I don’t think Omar should blink first. Santana would make the Mets a contender for the foreseeable future.

    • gowrightgo says:

      Let the deal come to us rather than chase it….I like it

      • mikey_FF says:

        Good stuff. This is why you don’t just hand over every top prospect in the farm. Omar is playing his hand right. I really believe this can get done without giving up F-Mart.

      • dk70 says:

        I agree, but I am also afraid that if this drags on too long then Cashman is going to swoop in at the 11th hour with a monster deal…….It’s a catch 22

    • Xavier22 says:

      The Twins aren’t demanding Reyes anymore. Francesca heard it once two months ago and he keeps on repeating it.

      I don’t know why Matt bothers to report on anything that guy says anymore.

    • gameball says:

      We don’t know that the Twins are asking for Reyes. We don’t know if they ever threw his name in there as more than a negotiation tactic. The Twins are looking for unpaid prospects, and may not even want a guy making 20M over the next 3 yrs.

      In any case, every credible source (sorry Mr. Francessa, your name doesn’t seem to be on the list) in both NY and Minn has assumed that Reyes is off the table for weeks now.

  2. docgood86 says:

    Did anyone hear Ed coleman on MLB radiocast last night? A friend of mine said he heard it and Ed said that omar hasn’t talked to the Twins since the winter meetings and anything that were hearing is false. Can someone confirm that they heard this? I mean it seemed like things were moving forward but if this report is true then it’s just media fabrication and the mets are nowhere close to working a deal for Santana.

    • The Glider says:

      I gotta believe that that’s just “trade-speak” if you know what I mean? The teams are being tight-lipped about it. I wouldn’t believe that stuff.

      • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

        i cant imagine thats true. i mean even if the twins will only take reyes. you have to figure the two sides have talked for no reason other than omar knows he needs santana and is definitely going to do everything in his power to get him as long as he’s still a twin. that report makes it sound too much like omar said “they wont do it w.o reyes, ok i give up time to go on vacation”.

    • cbusmetsfan says:

      Go to Mlb.com and you can see the 10 minute interview with Coleman. He states that Omar is in Israel but he talked to him and he is easily reachable.

      The 5 for 1 seems a bit steep. I wonder if the Mets can get the Twins to throw in a AA player in return with Johan, someone who is decent, could soften the blow of losing 5 guys for 1. Maybe the guy turns out to be something maybe he’s a stiff. But, getting some sort of OF or pitcher with Johan would be nice.

      Any one hear the FAN yesterday when they were comparing this to about 20 years ago when the Mets traded for Viola…a 29 year old lefty Twin; 4 or 5 players for 1 stud pitcher. Very similar circumstances…

    • Peter Wade says:

      Here some E. Coleman quotes:
      “There wasn’t that much to that report today (yesterday) (Star Tribune), I’m not saying it’s erroneous or totally erroneous … not much has gone on the past couple of weeks … it’s kind of been status quo … I do think you’re kind of grasping at straws at this point in time …”

      Coleman said he spoke to Mets GM Omar Minaya in Israel and Minaya said “there’s not much to it.”

    • Big Lou says:

      Just go to minnesota star tribune and read the article

    • Charlie says:

      The whole story (i.e. Fmart, Gomez, Humber, Guerra, and Mulvey for Santana is a package the Twins would take) comes from a writer from Minny. He said he has it from the Twins. Omar would therefore not have anything to do with it and could, as Eddie C says, not have had contact with the Twins since the Winter Meetings.

  3. MetNTX says:

    Reyes is not going anywhere. All of this is talk until Omar the Met Maker comes back to the USA. Til then its the NY writers and the Minn writers postulating.

  4. jspicyn says:

    I’d do it if they could even hang onto Gomez while trading Martinez. Ideally, of course, I’d try to hold onto Martinez. I think it’s pretty clear a deal will soon get done. Im very excited.

  5. Hit The Weights Zeile says:

    im a patient man, but 2 or 3 more weeks? ugh. if he ends up not being traded this will be the biggest **** tease EVER.

  6. Bench5urvivor says:

    I think Francessa’s newspaper subscriptions ran out and he’s just looking at the same article from a month ago and continuing to make mindless claims.

    I like the possible deal, we ABSOLUTELY NEED JOHAN!!! but we also need to keep one of our “Big 3″

    • napes22 says:

      I just have to add - Francessa is a buffoon. That is all.

    • FBones24 says:

      Seriuosly…do you ever see them sitting there with the newspapers. They get all of their info from these newspaper writers who know absolutely nothing as we have learned. I give them a pass usually because while I only care about the Mets, they must concern themselves with every team in every sport to a certain degree.

      It is sometimes frustrating listening to them because their so arrogant but they are a good team and obviously have a successful show.

  7. MetNTX says:

    Looks like the AAA team is going to Syracuse in 2009 as they are making a big push for them. Great article in the Syracuse newspaper today.

    • GravediggerHebner says:

      tried to post the link but don’t see it here. It’s syracuse.com, headline is “Schumer: Syracuse can get Mets.”

  8. QnsNative718 says:

    Whats this I read in the Post that the Mets are unwilling to part with our 5 guys???

    • mikey_FF says:

      This is what you’re referring to I think…

      “The two teams continue to talk and word out of Minnesota yesterday was that, yes, the Mets could snare Cy Young Santana for the right price, but as far as the Mets are concerned, that five-for-one deal is not the right price.”

      I’m glad. It’s a good thing our fans don’t make trades.

  9. The Glider says:

    I say “sit tight Omar.” I think we may even be able to pull this off WITHOUT giving up F-Mart. We just gotta sit and wait out the Twins and hope the Yanks don’t give up Hughes. If they do, then throw in F-Mart.

    • jspicyn says:

      Glider’s right. Sit tight, try to hold your ground, but if the Yanks do offer Hughes the Mets can’t top that without including Gomez and Fernando. They just can’t - Hughes is a sure thing and he’s young, he could be the ace of almost any team in baseball within 2-3 years. The kid’s a stud and if the Yanks start dangling him with cabrera (who is being undervalued, btw) and some mid levels again, I’d be willing to give up these 5 guys for him. The Mets just need Santana. For those of you who don’t want to ’sell the farm,’ what do you want? To have the same hole year after year? I just don’t get it, the Mets aren’t winning anything without a boost in SP and the probability is that only 1 or 2 of these 5 prospects will pan out anyways

      • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

        agree 100%, if we dont trade for santana we’ll need an ace EVEN MORE next year bc pedro will either be gone or even OLDER. who knows who will resign by next offseason so we could be looking AGAIN for an ace after 09. this is a huge need that will not go away until its filled. but i do agree about sitting tight. only offer fmart+gomez if you have to ie hank the skank offers up hughes +.

  10. wynton says:

    Is Francesa really that stupid and out of touch? Or is he trying to make mischief by repeating the story about Reyes?

    • Slob says:

      Are you really asking that question?

    • gameball says:

      I think Francessa just reports his personal fantasies as if it’s news:

      “Well, Dog, ran into Cate Blanchett last night, and she wants to lap dance me in the studio next week.”

      • JarvisJanesAddiction says:

        I’m sorry, but I think Fat Fran-SEH-ser was actually referring to Kate Smith, not Cate Blanchett. Can someone please explain to me how it can be so easy to see through someone…..SO FAT?? He’s a Yankee fan, blow-hard, and shill. But most of all….he’s a disgrace.

  11. RichardK says:

    The only thing that is going to get me out of the Baseball Depression I have been in since September is Santana, not Blanton or anyone else…

    Collapses like last year MUST be compensated for, theres only so much a fan can take.

    The Mets Ownership owes us this, I just hope I’m not getting setup for a huge disappointment here.

  12. Kalihan42 says:

    I still think we should find a 5th starter that we can get for 2 years in the mean time so we can posture that we are happy with out team as it is. It will give us a bit more leverage. The thing that I wonder is why not see if we can trade Maine, Gomez and maybe Mulvey and/or Pelfrey. The Twins NEED Major league ready starters with what they are loosing this off season. We can sign a guy like Silva in the mean time and not give p the whole farm. Not sure they will take it but a rotation of

    Santana
    Pedro
    O.P.
    SIlva
    El Duque /Humber

    is not too bad. It is also the type of rotation Minaya like (Hispanic heavy)

    Either way I am happy trading just about anytthing for Santan (even if we are over payinig). A chance to lock up a guy like Santana does not happen very often

    • mikey_FF says:

      I’m pretty sure Silva already signed somewhere, FYI.

    • krumbledkookie says:

      Silva already signed.

    • Kalihan42 says:

      woops, missed that, but the premise still stands…lock in a pitcher now for the bottom of the rotation and be willing to upgrade to save more of the farm. SInce the Twins need pitching bad that is major league ready I think it could save us either F Mart or Gomez

      Not sure they would do this type of move but I think if Santana is gone regardless Maine looks like at least a fill to their rotation….

      • astoriametsfan72 says:

        how does trading Maine for Santana make sense? You’re creating another hole by trading away fifteen wins for 4 more wins. It doesn’t make the team appreciable better.

        The idea is to add to Maine and Perez, not make a swap.

  13. professor met says:

    mulvey, guerra, gomez, humber and the entire city of syracuse should get it done.

  14. krumbledkookie says:

    What I’m not getting is that everyone else has been saying that the Yanks will give up Hughes, but NOT Hughes AND Ian Kennedy. Matt keeps saying that they won’t trade Hughes. I guess it doesn’t really matter, since the Mets are the only proactive team in this whole charade…

    I think I share everyone’s anxiety in wishing this situation would just resolve itself. Though I guess these things take time, and we should be patient if we want Johan on our team.

    Consider this: if we get Santana (or even if we don’t), since Omar has said El Duque is in the rotation, who is our long man in the pen??? This may seem secondary, but I think it’s of huge importance, especially since over a long season starters (Duque, Pedro) can and do wear down. I’d love to get Jeremy Affeldt for this role, or perhaps we can try Pelfrey out?

  15. stickguy says:

    Server issues. Ugh.

    If correct, this means that the Twins leverage (time) is decreasing, and the mets (Santana) is increasing, so Omar is correct to sit tight on his (possibly overly) generous offer, and wait for the Twins to blink.

    A side issue is, what impact does trading the cream of the international (Dominican) kids have on future signees? If the gravitate toward the Mets because of Pedr, Playing in NY, etc., what message does it send when they quickly get shipped out to Minn.? Will they lean toward other teams (Dodgers, Yankees?) in the future?

    • GravediggerHebner says:

      If they acquire Santana then hopefully the Mets could start doing in Venezuela what they’ve been doing in the DR. Then in 4 or 5 years they could trade their young crop of Venezuelans for the next big thing.

    • Charlie says:

      forgive me for my skepticism, but i think these kids don’t care where they play as long as they get a chance to play and get PAID.

  16. ExileInLA says:

    When Matt writes “i have always interpreted ‘major-league ready talent’ to mean Aaron Heilman, because, from what i understand, the Twins have no interest in acquiring and paying a player like reyes, who is due roughly $20 million over the next three years…” —

    Heilman is arbitration eligible now. That means he’s looking at about $3mm/year, right? Isn’t $10mm for a setup man too steep for MIN also? Unless they think Heilman can start - and would sign at a discount for the guaranteed starting role?

  17. rosemarymets says:

    Fatcessa just likes to keep de-valuing the mets prospects by bringing up the reyes issue…..he is the only person? who carries on like melky is so great….man he pisses me off….

  18. Golden Ratio says:

    I can’t think of another moment in Mets history when the team’s future was so precariously perched on the outcome of a single trade possibility. This trade, or non-trade, will determine the direction of the Mets for the next half decade.

    I actually think Minaya is playing his cards perfectly right now. Don’t rush, don’t overpay, don’t lowball them, don’t make sudden moves, don’t frighten them away.

    It’s like trying to hand feed a cornered rabbit. “Here little guy… it’s gonna be OK now… here you go buddy… that’s it… take a little nibble now…”

    Hopefully it pays off in the end. If the waiting means we even keep one extra prospect, it will be worth the jumbled nerves and constant F5ing of the fan base for a few more weeks.

    As far as Francesca goes, I don’t know a single person who listens to him anymore. He’s a has-been.

    • MetsMachine says:

      These Santana posts are getting utterly rediculous. Cerrone, you, me, and the rest of Mets nation no nothing about whats happening behind the curtain….no more than we knew a month ago.

      All this speculation, hear say, as I understand it, what I gather BS…its nonsense. The $$$ has to be right and the trade chip value has to be right. It all hinges on that.

      If I’m the Twins….no brainer…not trading unless Reyes is in the deal. They want major league level talent…not prospects. 5 prospects are just that…..unproven. If they trade him for 5 prospects….theyre suckers…and we win.

      F-Mart…WHO CARES! Give him the guy. Even IF he turns into a 30 / 120 guy….the Mets have a new ballpark coming and will have tons of money. You can buy powerhitting outfielders EVERYWHERE. It’s rediculous how much some of you obsess about a potential star….to pass up Mr. Cy Young himself….aka the best pitcher in the game.

      And one last thing…all of you that say hold your cards Omar….I like the waiting game hes playing…dont blink, etc. IF another team gets him and the Mets lose him….you can go back and eat your words. Omar should have locked this deal up already and stop toying around.

      The 2008 Mets without Santana are a 3rd place team.

      • cyclone says:

        Then thankfully for all of us, you are not the Twins so your opinion doesn’t matter much.

  19. Achilles400 says:

    “…the Mets may be in the driver’s seat…” Well there you go, and if “ifs and buts” were “canies and nuts” everyday’d be Easter.

    • MetsMachine says:

      “The Mets may be in the drivers seat” translated to normal human logistics:

      We really have no idea if the Mets are any closer to Santana. But posting something like this stirs up more comments and arguing.

      • Kalihan42 says:

        Thank you. We just plain don’t know. No one leaks how much two teams are talking unless it is to cool off rumors to take pressure off one team to make a decisive move…and even then we do not know if the leak is the truth. The Mets and Twins might not have spoken to one and other since the winter meetings or they may be talking every day. But no team is going to leak accurate information unless it is beneficial to them working out a (more) favorable deal.

        So basically who knows…at least the press seems to be putting the odds with the mets for the time being so we might as well sit back and enjoy the ride….

  20. JohnMilner says:

    I feel like a yo-yo.

    And not the cellist.

  21. the_other_matt says:

    ESNP is reporting that Omar has not left the wailing wall in Israel for three days. Omar said he wont leave until god makes the Twins approve the trade. So far Omar has stuffed 40 prayers into the bricks.

  22. Go Bro says:

    The amount of information out there on this in the last two days indicates to me that serious movement is starting from the Twins end to try to wrap this up. The replies from the Mets indicate that they are assuming new negotiation postures every day.
    I believe this will happen but only if the Mets still over pay. If not then the Yanks and the Red Sox will be back in. For instance, no one has reported that the Sox have taken their standing offer off the table. The one including Coco Crisp. So Omar does not hold all the cards unless Santana pushes the process with the Mets ad he hasn’t so far or the deal would be done by now. So put those five guys up and get it done. NOW. C’mon Omar DO IT !!!!

    • Crooked Numbers says:

      The Mets have a number of factors going for them to get Santana:

      *Santana prefers the Mets and the NL.

      *Twins would prefer to ship him off to the NL so they don’t have to face him.

      *Yanks and Sox already have over-blown salaries, and only appear interested in Santana to keep him off the other team.

      So why do you think we will need to over-pay to get him? If anything, we should be able to get him at a discount. A fair offer is all it should take, and that doesn’t include adding Martinez to a package that is probably already better than what either of the other 2 teams are offering.

      • astoriametsfan72 says:

        And I honestly feel the Red Sox and Yanks don’t want to
        a)Give up blue chip prospects AND
        b)Commit a minimum of $20 mill a year for the next five years furthering an increase in their luxury tax liability. Both teams would be paying for a player neither team has a need for in order to compete. It would actually, from a financial perspective, cost the Red Sox and Yanks more than the Mets b/c of the luxury tax. Over the course of the contract you’re talking a boatload of money, to a certain extent for those two teams, being paid in a needless luxury tax.
        Meanwhile…Francesca is bloviating AGAIN about Reyes being the centerpiece in a deal for Santana. Amazing.

        • Crooked Numbers says:

          Yes, I agree. You start hitting a law of diminishing returns with payroll. The Yanks and Bosox don’t seem all that eager to take on another high contract plus lose a lot of top prospects.

          I think that Omar can land Santana with the current rumored offer without adding Martinez to the deal. Who knows how much of these rumors are true? Maybe Omar can land him for less.

      • Go Bro says:

        The Red Sox offer of Jon Lester, Coco Crisp, prostect Jeff Lowrie and one other prospect has not been taken off the table. The Mets have to bid a little higher to trump that.
        No deal is ever done in a vacumn, where everything remains the same. We have the greatest need here. One less prospect isn’t worth losing the deal. Granted, the Red Sox could raise the offer if the Mets do give up FMart but then we know it isn’t possible. Maybe the Twins don’t want the Red Sox better deal and just take the Mets extra prospect deal for their own reasons and never let the Sox back in, therefore placating their fans.
        In other words don’t screw this up by trying to keep one extra prospect.

        • Crooked Numbers says:

          My point is, the Mets have already trumped that offer without offering Fernando Martinez, or at least tied it. If the deals are about equal it makes sense for the Twins to take our offer over the others. If they want another prospect i wouldn’t throw in anyone near the caliber of FMart. Maybe throw in Angel Pagan or a lower-level prospect.

  23. buhbye says:

    Exactly - too much smoke right now for there not to be a fire. Omar needs to find a way to make this happen, I don’t care which prospects he includes.
    And, by the way, Matt has a contact in Santana’s agent’s office, so anyone who doubts that he knows what he’s talking about should think again.
    Get it done Omar.

  24. Bojibob says:

    I’m a Twins Fan following all angles on this.

    Background:. The Minnesota People just ponied up for a new ball park…..if you know Minnesota sports…this is significant and important to this discussion. Bill Smith is a new GM….new…I said… not stupid. Point 1: The Twins can’t let Santana walk for a less than inspiring deal or the public would lynch them. If this fair deal isn’t reached the Twins PR machine will have Santana starting in 2008 for the Twins and if they can’t sign or move him they will take the 2 Comp picks……check Minny’s past and recent history..you will see a trend Point 2: The Red Sox standing offers of: Package A: Crisp, Lester (2-3 Starter), Lowrie (a future starter at 2B or SS) and Masterson OR Package B: Ellsbury, Lowrie, Masterson (4-5 starter) + one other top 10 prospect TBD. Several no doubters in those groups for the 40 man roster. The Yankees standing offer of Hughes, Melky and another lower level prospect TBD. Neither of which meets the criteria of Point 1 for the Twins. Now we have the Mets supposed offer of Gomez, Humber, Mulvey, Guerra and MAYBE Martinez. With the MAYBE, there is ZERO chance that Minny takes the deal. Boston Win’s in Package A or B. 4-1 is a loser and will NEVER happen. So 5 for 1 is a must and look at what you lost:..Gomez….Decent OF (Better than Crisp or Ellsbury, umm maybe, probably not)….Mulvey, Humber and Guerra (Better than Lester or Masterson, ummm probaly not)….In additon none of which is head or shoulders above anything in the current Minny Farm system….all Mets prospects would 4 or 5 starters at best…and more depth for the Twins. Now Martinez is the Only jewel….BUT young and unproven but reeks of potential. Bottom Line: It would have to 5 for 1 to get the best LH Starter of the past 20 years or Minny will “settle” for the Sox Package A / B or he goes to the Yanks for a Future #1 or #2 Starter in Hughes and Melky who fills CF with the TBD probably never cracking the 40 man roster. Bottom Line: I hope he goes to the Mets…It would break my heart watching him mow down the Twins for The Yankees or Bosox. This is opportunity in a life time for some team….and the Twins know it. He won’t be had on the cheap unless they fail to trade or sign and they only get the two comp picks…

    • Crooked Numbers says:

      As I understand it, the Yanks do NOT have a standing offer with Hughes included.

      Guerra projects as a #1 starter. He was 18 last year playing in high A. How do you figure he prbly won’t be better than the 2 Boston is offering? Humber will probably be as good or better than Masterson, and Mulvey projects as a 2-3 starter just like Lester.

      Gomez could easily become one of the best defensive CF’s in the game. He is faster than Reyes, has a strong arm and tracks down fly balls that Beltran could only dream about getting to. If he can maintain a .350 OBP he will be one of the better leadoff hitters around.

      So I see no reason to offer more than that package which is at least as good as Boston’s. I also don’t see why the Twins would prefer 2 comp picks over this package. But I hope that DO they keep him for 08 so we can get him as a free agent next year and won’t have to give up anything. haha

      • Gina says:

        If the twins already have one or two stud defensive out fielding prospects, but no solid second basemen/shortstop prospects than Lowrie>Gomez. If the twins are looking to compete in the next two years and don’t want to wait for Guerra to develop then Lester or Hughes> Guerra. It’s not really about who’s the better prospect.

        If nothing we offer them is at a position of need in their farm system, someone who can compete fast, or some one they think is a can’t miss player like Martinez, why wouldn’t they rather just take the sandwich picks and use it to select players at positions they need, or players they think will be studs?

        I’m not saying this is necessarily the situation but it’s something to consider.

        • Crooked Numbers says:

          I was under the impression the Twins are looking for a CF. Gomez, Humber, and Mulvey all ‘could’ be ready in ‘08. If not, then certainly by ‘09.

          Guerra is the only one they would have to wait on, and he’s the only prospect mentioned who’s projected to be a #1 starter.

          So the Twins might have to wait a year or two longer to reap the benifits. I don’t know how much that would effect their decision making. But with the Mets package they have a much better shot at actually filling Santana’s vaccancy with a true top of the rotation starter.

          Also, we are offering them 3 very good pitching prospects. Pitching is always in demand. If they don’t need the pitching I’m sure they can turn around and trade one for a highly rated minor league middle infielder.

          They wouldn’t want 2 sandwich picks because they are only getting 2 players back, most likely, neither of which would be as good as the best 3 the Mets are offering. Again, they can always trade these players to fill a need if they want to.

          Besides, if they (for some strange reason) would prefer the picks. Let them have at it. I would rather keep all of our prospects and sign him as a free agent next year.

  25. TilMetsDoUsPart says:

    Add Heilman to the current deal and really impress the Twinkies.

    They won’t be able to resist it. It would be the best from a quality and quantity standpoint. Why trade Santana for Hughes plus crap when you can get 4 pretty good young players and crap?

  26. Tiger One says:

    On 12/22/07 I posted on newsday.com’s mets talk back:

    “Leverage, right now, belongs to the Twins. The jockeying by the Yankees, Red Sox. and Mets has driven the asking price for Santana up. If the Yankees truly pull out and the Red Sox hold on to their key prospects, the Twins asking price will change. Santana, is in the drivers seat, because of his “no trade” contract provision. The Twins do not want being in the position of losing him to free agency and getting nothing in return. The Mets should keep seeking other options but stay involved in talks with the Twins as a last ditch option. The Yankees and Red Sox are really in this for the one-up-manship against each other. If their respective stances are not ploys for rhetoric or public relations but hardball, the Twins bargaining strength becomes a disadvantage over time! The best thing that has happened for them [Twins] was the trade of Haren to the Diamondbacks. That removed a competative, viable option for the Yankees, Red Sox, and Mets. Our Mets must continue contacting the Twins expressing interest and Omar put on the best poker face that he can. A deal of this nature does not need microwaving. This one needs a crockpot approach by simmering over time!”

    It appears as though things are falling right into line for the Mets!!!

  27. GravediggerHebner says:

    I especially like the final strike call “Have a nice day!”

  28. professor met says:

    great video!

  29. itsmetsforme says:

    great, now I’m really drooling.

  30. Charlie says:

    how great is it that his teammates are marveling at him? that second pitch was just soooo nasty. it was going straight right up until about three feet in front of the plate and then it cut. sick.

    eff f-mart.

  31. FBones24 says:

    You forgot the signing of Tom Nieto.

  32. GravediggerHebner says:

    I remember Prince Markie Dee, Kool Rock-Ski and Buffy the Human Beat Box but I don’t remember Francesa Fat Boy.

  33. mikey_FF says:

    It’s a very good point and something to take into consideration. Surprised no one has brought that up yet.