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Mets GM Omar Minaya returned to New York yesterday following his goodwill trip to Israel.
…back to work, O…we’re getting restless…
According to David Lennon in Newsday, “as long as the Yankees and Red Sox stay on the sideline,” regarding the Twins and Johan Santana, “the clock is working in Minaya’s favor.”
…from what i understand, minaya talked with a few reporters by phone last night, and said that minnesota’s decision comes down to whether they want a large collection of prospects compared to one or two major-league ready players…i assume the prospect-package refers to the Mets, while the major-league ready package refers to the 
Red Sox and Yankees…
Lennon writes that it appears Santana is ‘pressuring the Twins’ to move him before spring training,’ adding…
“The Mets intend to aggressively pursue a Santana trade in the coming weeks and believe they can get a deal done on their terms.”
…like i wrote the other day, as i understand it, santana wants to know who he will be pitching for before pitchers and catchers report, especially if he’ll be switching leagues like he prefers to do – which is why i believe there will be a conclusion to this story before February, i.e., two to three weeks…
However, according to the Associated Press, citing the player’s agent, Santana has never made an official request to be traded before pitchers and catchers are set to meet.
…by the way, speaking of Newsday, check out the URL from the story…they pack the term ‘Britney Spears’ in to it, since that lunatic is so heavily searched on Google…slick, gentlemen…sad, but slick…
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I decided to make it official. I am going into hibernation until opening day.
Please wake me up if an actual deal happens.
You wish stick…You’ll check the blog at least 3x more times today ;)
Hey stickguy I asked you a question under the Kotsay post but I will repeat it here. I always seem to agree with your posts and enjoy them so I am curious if you are all for including F-Mart in the deal with the 4 prospects to get Santana now? I say he is worth it and Santanas of the world hardly become available so if we can get him we must. OF’s are a dime a dozen so Gomez and F-Mart dont hold it up for me. Maybe counter by saying ok you take F-Mart too but we take back Mulvey or Gueera from the offer. Or ask for Nathan back from Minny, and then deal Heilman to replace prospects we lose to Minny in Santana deal. Nathan then sets up Wagner and Heilman is as good as gone after this last year of his deal anyway. What do you say StickGuy?
tough call. My gut feeling is that they won’t have to give up that much talent. But, if I was making the call, I wouldn’t give up FMart in addition to those other guys.
Unless, of course, the deal got expanded. I know the Twins have a promising young catcher blocked, so you can start adjusting the players back and forth? Or if the Twins had a bad contract to dump (Cudyler?), take that and give up less talent?
I would include F Mart I guess if they pulled back someone else, but I think it would have to be Guerra. He is the one that really intriques me. And potential stud pitchers are hard to come by too!
One thing I disagree with is that OFs are real easy to get (”dime a dozen”). Especially if you don’t have prospects to trade. Which leaves FAs or retreads. Hey, if it was that easy, Church and Pagan wouldn’t be the RF platoon!
The big name FAs (if there are any) like Lee are real expensive, and at some point, the budget runs out. So don’t discount the value of getting a good to very good everyday player out of the system on the cheap.
Fair enough but I would then argue that we got Moises Alou on the cheap as a FA when we needed a LF. But you do take the chance a player like him will be available when you need him. Cameron was available this year though and he would be a good fit if not signed already.
Stick, do you have any names or projections on any Twins prospects that might be worth picking up if all 5 Mets must go the other way? C and 1B most importantly…
And Alou was not on the cheap as it cost a 1st round draft pick for 2 years of partial sevice. Helping put the Mets farm in this bad situation.
I’m not stick but I will help out. The catcher’s name is Jose Morales and he will be a stud. He would be a great pick up.
As for 1st base, I think Cudyler place a little 1st? But I am not too sure about their minor league potentials.
I’ve been looking at Jose Morales stats and it seems like he finally caught on last year 311/.366/.399 in 400 PA’s at AAA, but he has developed rather slowly as a former 3rd round pick and will turn 25 in a month.
He has two options years remaining, while Schneider and Castro both have two years remaining on thier contracts, so that adds up well. He would be 27 in 2011 and would make a good stop gap until Pena if not more.
The Twins site notes that they arent getting anywhere in a contract extension for Morneau, which would lead to them to hold onto the next guy in line, maybe. But he certainly would be a nice addition to the deal.
Brock Peterson is a 1B that I’d be curious about. He was a 49th round pick but has developed nicely. The last two years have gone as follows…
2006: .291/21/76 in 447 AB’s 850 OPS A+ FSL (pitchers league)
2007: .285/15/64 in 369 AB’s 858 OPS AA EL (fair league)
He’s a righty and is 23 years old, so he is one level ahead of Nick Evans, but two years older. And nothings suggests he is better than Carp or even a healthy Brett Harper. So it doesnt look like he would have much future in the Mets orgainization after all…
last one from my research Erik Lis. He’s a lefty 9th round pick in 2005 after three years of college ball.
He played mostly OF last year after being a 1B the last two years. (not a good sign about his defense) He’ll be 24 before opening day and he spent last year in the FSL so he’s a little behind even for a college player. But its hard not to like 18 homers and 97 RBI in the FSL. .274 / .334 / .470 over 100 K’s. He could need 2-3 years of development which makes him more of a stop gap type of player.
He’s the type of player who is worth asking for as he likely isnt valued highly by the Twins, but could turn into something valuable if he has a strong year at AA in 2008.
As alluded to above, it might make sense to add in a Heilman for Nathan swap as it would save the Twins $$ and Heilman could decently replace Nathan’s role as closer on a mediocre team.
Santana, Nathan, and Lis or Morales for the 5 prospects plus Heilman.
yes lets make the trade even more complicated than it already is…
These Johan Santan threads are like a friggin’ car wreck….
I keep saying I won’t look, but I just can’t turn away.
They get me every time.
Guys stay the course.. Just 2 or 3 more weeks to go. Hang in there. Figure like 40 – 45 more posts til he is traded. 10000000 more skankee fans telling you that our prospects suck. 25 more bottles to help you get through it..
I’d like something to happen sooner than three weeks… I just get that feeling like if something doesnt happen soon bad things are going to happen like Britney Spears hooks up with Santana and gets him into drugs or something… >:(
I am shocked that Britney Spears was left off of the Mitchell Report. The incident with the car getting beat with the umbrella by the bald headed ‘lunatic’ was the biggest case of roid rage if I’ve ever seen it. Britney’s on the juice.
Its actually a good thing that nothing is really happening. Right now the Mets have the best offer on the table, but they have time to hold out for more. Until some other team comes up with an offer better than the Mets, the Twins will wait for more, and the Mets will wait for the Twins to agree. Fernando Martinez is worth waiting for, on both sides. If no other team steps in, then Santana will come to the Mets for the 4 prospects instead of 5, right before ST starts.
Enjoy the football, check back after the Superbowl, nothing will have changed ;)
No joke. I keep telling myself to skip the Sanata threads, but here I am at work, refreshing the page every thirty minutes of so to see if there is any updated news.
And the sad part is that I have been so Mets focused that I missed for an entire afternoon that Joe Gibbs retired (the Skins being my football team) and didn’t catch wind of it until I heard it on SportsTalk on the way home.
Didn’t hear about Gibbs, but I probably could have given you an update at any point that day about the Mets’ alleged status regarding Santana as well as their pursuit of an announcer for WFAN.
This site and its hot stove has serioulsy become like electronic crack. If I go more than thirty minutes, I start itching my neck.
And even though I know I should stop, I keep going back. Cerrone, you are a pimp and a dealer!
AHHHHHH !!!! get done!!!! or let’s do something else…..Talk about Mike Mouse or Carmen Elektra or Crab inmortality !!!! SAntana is 24 / 7 and they get some sleep, and we get nightmares about this.
This team has not won a WS in 20 plus years and F-Mart is not player that would put the Mets over-the-top for that; J.S. would put the Mets over-the-top for the W.S.! Do It NOW Omar!!
How do you know F-MArt is not that guy? I have heard from certain guys, like Keith Law he thinks that F-mart is the next David Wright, he is that good of a hitter and he also said he would not give them F-Mart alone for one year of Santana. Not saying I agree, but how do you know Fernando Martinez wont help us win a world series?
FMart is still years away while our roster has aged methuselahs like Alou, Pedro, Delgado and short-timers like Wags. The time is now. We’re now into our third decade since a title……many of us are loathe to wait another decade for the possibility that FMart could help some future Mets roster that may or may not have enough talent to win even with a potentially great Fmart.
couldn’t have said it better myself.
I remember the same type of comments about David Wright. You don’t want to just give away a bunch of these guys in one deal. People who never saw them play and are short-sighted tend to not realize that they re real players with real upside, and you’d be replacing them with garbage heap.
And don’t tell me about the three first round picks that they would have if they don’t make trades too. Suddenly guys that are two years further from MLB are good enough for the future but the guys you invested money and time in are meaningless? You can’t have it both ways.
Don’t get me wrong — I WANT Santana and I make the deal WITH F-Mart in it. My point is just countering aus1331 who seems to be in the camp of people that totally disregard that Martinez will one day be ready to play in the bigs, maybe great maybe not, but when I hear morons agreeing with Mad Dog, who says things like: it’s just 5 prospects, you’re gonna let the 5th prospect get in the way of making a deal? And senseless remarks about giving them any 5 prospects in your entire organization, they are just ‘prospects’, etc etc… come on. Most teams wouldn’t give away their #1 prospect ALONE for Santana, the Mets farm is not THAT bad that Hughes, Homer Bailey, etc are better than our top 5 guys combined.
SO my fingers are crossed that Omar gets this done without giving up Pelfrey and Martinez, the two guys I personally think have the most upside and are most likely to succeed.
What’s making this so excruciating is the fact our whole year could be hinged on this one acquisition. I can’t imagine a season without Johan Santana. Then again, someone will have to pinch me when I see him orange and blue pinstripes on Opening Day.
Funny, somebody better punch me, not pinch me, if the Mets have added orange pinstripes to their plethora of uniform choices. :-)
What I love is the fact that we get the best pitcher in baseball and he isn’t even starting opening day.
doneee! get this guy!! is the best in the game….send all for him…we only need one run to win when he pich…..in the N.L. 3oo K for him…
i say 400 Ks..maybe more…and a 31-1 record.
ERA in the low 0s. WHIP in the negatives
“ERA in the low 0’s.”
Now that is funny. I am waiting for the prediction that he can put up a negative ERA in the N.L. at Shea.
They should start doing that with stats. See if a picther can generate more Runs Per 9 (RPG) with his bat than he gives up with his arm (ERA)
Sanatan knocks in a run and picthes a shut out, he has a -1.00 ERA.
God…what won’t I talk about waiting for news.
given the plethora of stats it wouldnt surprise me if there was some stat that included pitchers run production.
call it the Willis?
I like that a hell of a lot better than the Hampton!
A bit harsh calling a young troubled girl a “lunatic”, particularly when you compare her to the personalities that meander in and out of your blog, Matt.
That “young troubled girl”, label would apply just fine, if she wasn’t endangering the lives of her two children. I’d have to agree that the lunatic moniker applies.
I am not going to get excited about this Santana talk. The same thing happened with Barry Zito. We heard the whole off season that Zito was coming to the Mets and he wanted to play for the Mets and what happened? NOTHING
So until Santana is officially a Mets, let’s not get worked up!! We are setting ourselves up for disappointment
yeah but the difference is Zito is nowhere near as enticing as Johan, nor was he WORTH what we will be probably giving up for Johan
even though Zito outpitched Santana in the playoffs ;)
wow, i looked up Zito’s stats pre-2007 and was expecting just a slight dropoff from Johan now, especially with Johan’s down year — and it’s amazing. Zito was almost a one year wonder who then bounced back to be a decent pitcher, maybe slightly better than decent, in the Erik Bedard type class. Bedard is on the way up and Zito was more on his way down, but obviously in offseasons everyone’s hope is that he recaptures his 23 win stuff. But anyway, Santana’s “bad” 2007 was better than most of Zito’s normal years, and I feel better now.
Hampton is another story — his numbers and pitching style before he came to the Mets were very remniscent of Johan, I hate to say.
The good thing is while trying to trade for Zito Omar was dealing with the a-hole Beane and now he is dealing with an infant GM Smith in trying to get Santana. Has to be easier to deal with then the self appointed genius gm Beane.
I have to admit, there are disturbing parallels between the zito of the ‘06/’07 offseason following the disappointing NLCS and the johan of “07/’08 following the disappointing ‘07 season.
nah — a little higher up i commented on their comparison. The disturbing part to me is the Hampton comparison. Check those pe-Mets stats. He was a stud with a similar style.
Ah yes, we are all longing for the days of Manny Ramirez to the Mets rumors every day. Those were the days.
If we dont get him I am so freaking pissed. I wont buy another ticket for this year. Bought the 7 pack and 3 others from holiday deals already but that will be it. Too much of a tease at this point. If Omar knows he isnt going to get him or Fred wont pay for him then come out and tell us now. Get it over with and stop stringing us along. It is excrutiatingly painful and I am anxiety ridden. On the other hand if we get him I will never bad mouth Omar or Fred Wilpon ever again. Well….maybe…I’ll try.
i don’t think you have much leverage anymore.
Who in here has leverage? IMFM, use your hotline to Omar and esplain the fans need for a Johan fix.
Heading over to your house of pain to see what you’ve written lately!
unfortunately the house of pain is devoted lately to taking potshots at Roidger and anyone else who deserves it.
ha — exactly itsmetsforme… you buy a 7 pack and 3 other deals and then make a stand? They have your business and they know you’ll be back — you won’t go to another team and after a year you’ll buy tickets again.
Don’t buy anything if you want to make statements.
That’s like walking out of the supermarket with a bag of groceries complaining about the selection and saying that now you aren’t coming back until next week.
I honestly dont know how the Mets organization would even survive without you attending the ball games. Thats what I mean. I absolutely love the guys who say things like that…” If the Mets dont get santana I will never watch another game again and I wont be a Met fan”
Are you that full of yourselves that you think there is even one living organism on this planet, or any other that cares if you go the games? So go ahead, bite off your nose to spite your face, see if we care. I know I wont, and something tells me Omar and Fred wont either.
If one becomes 1,000 and then 100,000+, they will certainly start to notice empty seats at the stadium, unsold jerseys at the clubhouse store, and poor ratings on SNY.
It wont happen though, because fortunately for the Mets, the state of New York, and the world in general, the met fan population outside of Metsblog.com isnt nearly as extreme as the people here are. Even if 100,000 people decided to never go to another Met game, the Mets attendance would be fine. Most people also realize that a lot of other fans would KILL to see a team with Pedro Martinez, John Maine, Oliver Perez, Jose Reyes, David Wright, and Carlos Beltran, let alone our secondary guys like Alou and Delgado who would be the “star” of a lot of other teams. The Mets are in good shape, and people know this, just not a lot of them post here.
I know it’s painful, but try to watch a little of a knicks game at the garden. There is no worse of a product you could possibly lay out there than the highest paid team with the worst record and only getting worse, yet since Dolan is still making money it doesn’t change as fast as if people didn’t buy tickets in advance. It will never turn into 100,000 people. Too many people will still go to games even if they aren’t a contender, which the Mets will still be even without Santana.
Good luck with your statements, and wave hello on the TV to the people who bought your tickets.
…by the way, speaking of Newsday, check out the URL from the story…they pack the term ‘Britney Spears’ in to it, since that lunatic is so heavily searched on Google…slick, gentlemen…sad, but slick…
Slick indeed. Her name is already referenced to 4 times in this bit.
Omar just needs to ask Smith point blank if Reyes is still a requirement to get a deal done or not. That’s when we’ll know for sure whether we’re in the running or not and move forward from there.
Many sources say he is not a requirement and Omar has come out and said publicly he will NOT deal Reyes for anyone. So it must still be possible with just the prospects or Omar wouldnt still be trying and would be looking to deal elsewhere i would think and hope.
I sure hope you’re right, cause these blogs are making me want Santana on the Mets more than I ever thought I would
Good catch, Ferd — I’m noticing that I’m suffering the same affect:
A prolonged January thaw in the Northeast
Days getting noticably brighter
Only 5 weeks to Ps and Cs
And suddenly, I don’t give a rat’s ass who they have to trade to land Johan — I just want to know that he’s fronting the strongest rotation in the NL.
Yeah, Omar will have to do something creative to keep the faith without Santana, it’s come to that. Maybe plowing through the FA mrket by signing all of Garcia and Colon (if he bounces back) with Dotel?
I hate my life
Why???
he lives in florida…bad citrus crop this year?
He lives in Fla….that’s plenty by itself!
i was thinking he doesn’t like the color teal.
lmao
dont get too optimistic there
Why not be? Isnt our team motto “Ya Gotta Believe!”?
I cant post a poll here like Matt can but to get a small sample of your thoughts guys….Would you trade TODAY Gomez, F-Mart, Mulvey, Humber, and Guerra for Santana and a mid-level prospect (preferably a 1B or C prospect we may need soon) from the Twins and give him 5 to 6 years at 20 to 25 mil per?
yes…or no…maybe…
In a blink of an eye…Prospects are not proven players and Santana is the best pitcher of his era that already has 2 Cy Youngs. Secondly look at how much value Milledge lost from 1 year to the next, you just never know. We may never get this much value out of these kids again.
I guess the way that I am feeling today is that if they want F-Mart, they don’t get Guerra, or the other way around.
We are one of five teams that can afford Santana (NYY, NYM, BOS, LAA, and LAD). We are one of three teams that are in that mix and really want him (NYM, NYY, and BOS). And of those three we are the only ones who really need him.
I think I let the Twins set a bit. As much as I want this to be done with, and as much as I am tire dof hearing about it, and as much as I’d rather not let BOS and the NYY back into it, our farm is TOAST with this deal. We only keep Pelfrey and then its nothing but the guys we drafted last year and the ones we take this year wll be many years away.
So I guess Omar should be checking in with them regulaly, but not give this deal.
I wonder if there is a coincidence that this Santana talk heated up at exactly the same time as the deadline to renew 2008 season ticket packages… but that would just be me being cynical and not wearing my mets goggles…
Isnt it weird that the Mets became frontrunners for Santana while Omar was on a trip to Israel?
True and I hope it isnt a media spin to sell papers but rather there is truth to it.
Santana would be nice to have, but zZI sure wouldn’t concede a spot in the WS to them based on that. Since you have no idea in what area the team will be worse off after losing all their top prospects (depth to call up, and players to trade to fill other holes). To a large extent, they would be gambling on just about everyone (especially the rotation) staying healthy.
I still say this is one of the most talented teams in the NL. And while they need 1 more SP, they will be fine even if it wasn’t Santana (just someone respectable, maybe a young 3 type, or at least a Morris level guy for stability). A few breaks here and there (guys stay healthy, someone has a big year), and they are back in the playoffs.
And if they make the playoffs, it is a crap shoot. So yes, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the WS this year (although I wouldn’t make them an overwhelming pre season favorite!)
In some ways, not getting Santana is more interesting to me. I really want to see how this team, and these prospects, come together and develop over the next few years.
Finally, while Santana isn’t exactly win it all this year or else, it could set the program back a bit. If I had a choice of a bit better chance at the post season in 2008, but less for th enext 4 years, I would rather have a better chance for a sustained run at the expense of 2008 (hope that made sense!)
Good post. Agreed on all fronts. I want Santana on the Mets, just not at any cost, and some of the posters are ready to give them every player on our a,aa, and aaa rosters.
I definitely think if the mets are about to make Santana deal official the yankees will jump back in. As much as people call the mets the step brother in the city of New York, Its the yankees who make it abundentely clear that their afraid of losing the fair weather fan base. Just remember the Joe Torre saga at the same time of the Mets Cardinals NLCS. So lets not think that the yankees won’t be compelled to jump in last minute
That’s true. Yankee fans will jusmp ship if the Mets are winning and the Yankees stumble, but no Met fan of more than 2 years will leave to join the evil empire!
My only problem is I think you are confusing prospects with good potential with a bona fide ACE. The prospects may never mature to the level of keeping the Mets “up there” for many years to come as you think. Santana and the team as it is now comprised could keep the Mets up there for 5 years to come. Giving Omar plenty of time to restock the minors with promising talent and maybe another Wright or Reyes. However, I do not see that quality in the 5 prospects we are talking about trading for Santana.
What are you talking about. We would lose Delgado, Alou, Beltran, El Duque, Heilman, maybe Perez, Wagner, where are we replacing all of these guys after we gut our entire farm system and bump our payroll by like 25 million? But nobody thinks of these things. If we make this trade, and one key part goes down, the season is over, no if ands or buts. They will have nobody to fill in, and not even one good prospect to trade.
Beltran and Perez aren’t going anywhere for a long time. Good Ridance to Wagner. I really believe Endy can be an everyday LF if we pitch well, and Heilman is replaceable.
This deal makes sense because we aren’t trading away 1B prospects and RP prospects.
Also, I think the Mets have to draft 1B/OF’s with college experience with their 1st rounders this year. With any luck, another bat will be on the way by 09
THey did get one last year for 1B (Duda, right? Or is he the 2B guy?). Not sure about the OF situation.
I would actually like to see a ful breakdown of the Mets minor league system for the coming year. I’m sure one of the 400 sites Matt links to has one!
“Giving Omar plenty of time to restock the minors with promising talent and maybe another Wright or Reyes.”
More then one scout has said Fernando MArtinez is as good of a hitter as David Wright. But you dont see it, so lets just give him up as the 5th piece of a trade. Santana may be a bonafide ace, but there is no gauruntee he continues to dominate into his 30’s , just like there is no gauruntee Nando becomes a star. I really hope Minny just resigns him. That will be the best day of the offseason for me, just like when I found out we didnt get Zito I jumped for joy, and I got bashed so hard it was funny.
How many cy young’s does Zito have compared to Santana? I was also hoping the Mets didn’t get Zito either, but this guy is special and he only gets better by switching leagues. You can also restock the minors by signing minor league free agents. How do you think we got F-Mart in the first place?
I don’t think the Mets can justify sending Martinez, Gomez, Guerra, Humber, and Mulvey for only Santana, and I don’t think that a mid-level prospect evens the deal out.
Either A) remove Guerra and throw in a Gotay type instead
or B) Add Heilman and ask for Nathan.
The thing that I do like about this deal is that fact that we would keep Pelfrey. Everyone loves Guerra because he’s tall, throws hard, and has a great curve. Well, that to me sounds a lot like Pelfrey. I understand he struggled last year, but he pitched just as well as any other Met starter down the stretch (with the exception of Maine). He’s young, and I think he would get the job done as the number five, should we make this deal and EL Duque goes to the pen, or as a fill in should anyone get injured.
In my opinion, the team is going in the right direction. I don’t want a boppper at every position. I want to watch pitching and defense. That is why I am a Mets fan and not a Yankee fan. I will enjoy watching Schneider call a good game, watching Reyes and Castillo turning DP’s, and seeing an OF of Endy, Beltran, and Church for years to come. We don’t have to score a million runs with this kind of a defensive team and Santana leading our staff.
Once again I have to say that the Mets need an ACE pitcher if they are going to go deep into the playoffs in 2008 and beyond. Ace’s are no longer available in the current trading and free agent market place. Many teams are signing their own ACE’s to long term contracts. Only a precious few hit the free agent market. Look at what Zito got in money and many experts never considered him an ACE anyway. So if you do not have an ACE that can beat your opponents ACE you will not reach your goals NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOUR PROSPECTS ARE IN THE MINORS.
So let grow a pair and get Santana and make the rest of the starters in the Mets rotation better; and the bull pen better and the hitters better because they will have their stopper who can give them a chance to win 35 times a year.
When will all you Met lovers out there understand business?
It’s all about how much MONEY CAN THE WILPONS POCKET!!!!
The Wilpons won’t get Santana cause they don’t need him. This year is the last at Shea and they will have over 3 million WITH OUT SANTANA. Next year and for at least 3 more season Citifield will be soldout every game every seat…
So, Omar can do whatever he wants the Wilpons Won’t do it…The only way it can happen if the Mets reduce the over all payroll and then spend the money on Santa but that wont happen.
It’s so simple and easy to under stand!!!!!!
I am stating to believe that this Blog is run by the Wilpon’s…Sorry MATT…. Almost ever new Article is The Mets are intrested in This guy or that guy What a JOKE!!!!
metscam is a moron, and the Mets getting Santana will only confirm that fact
LetsGetMetsmerized
You are the Moron.
Shouldn’t we focus on getting to the play-offs first? It’s been mentioned several times we were a .500 team for the majority of the season last year.
Even if we get Santana we’re putting a lot of faith: in Delgado bouncing back, Sanchez coming back healthy, Alou playing alot more games than he did last year, Pedro staying healthy, Castillo’s knees not becoming a problem, and really starter getting seriously injured or just playing terribly, since we’d have no one to call up if they did and no chips to trade for an upgrade/replacement.
Gina …. we had to lose almost EVERY SINGLE game down the stretch 2 weeks to actually miss the playoffs ….
the debate here isnt about making the playoffs ……
ALSO …. even Flawed teams can win playoff series when they have a dominant starter…
bottom line… i would gut the farm 10 times over for a championship.
if the santana move winds up with us winning a WS title, its all worth it …. no matter how much we give up ……….
its a gamble either way ….
im not going to sit here like every1 else who either is 100% in favor or 100% against the trade …. my opinion is that its a BIG RISK..
one thats worth taking!
and metscan you are an 1diot …. mets were willing to go 5 years and 15Mill per for zito, according to his agent said ….so we no its not tru that wilpon doesnt wanna spend more $
if this was about just signing Santanta and not a trade, they would be a serious contender and a top bidder along with yanks,sox
Gilch you are an 1diot… Keep believing what you read..
The Mets are an 85 win, third place team without Santana. With him they are the NL East favorites. Need I say more. They only problem is convincing cheapo Wilpon to spend the money. Now that his ballpark is filled there is no more incentive for him to spend any more money. They will never pay Santana $ 20 million a year. Forget it.
wow. this is getting good. i hope we can work this out.
i want santana bad.
I think all of us do. I keep checking the blog to see if we got him. It’s getting to the point of obssesion.This is bad.
I’ve said it already a few times….I don’t want Santana. My thoughts are he is on the decline. He is not the reigning Cy Young from the AL and his WHIP and ERA have risen pretty steadily in the last 3 years while his win totals have begun to shrink from the guaranteed 19 – 20 to now 15 last year with 13 losses. He also is starting to give up the long ball pretty regularly.
While he is still better than any pitcher on the Mets roster and better than many in the NL…he is no longer the top pitcher in the game. With Haren, Webb, Peavy clearly all his equal and others like Hamels, Cain, Lincecum, etc on the rise….I can see buying and paying him a kings ransom coming back to bite us both in the short and long term.
The problem is the alternatives seem too expensive also in terms of talent. Yet…I think we should spend 2/3rds of the 5 players discussed and get Snell, Lincecum, Cain, or Kazmir and at least we will have pitchers who are rising on the ace charts and are still young enough to grow into their careers.
Santana has peaked already and while still terrific, he is no longer the best pitcher in either league and is about to get the most money ever paid to a pitcher in the history of the game. Seeing as we are trading for the most expensive pitcher in the game who is no longer the best pitcher in the game….only the best in the NL east, I would pass or at least reduce the trade package from its current iteration. Take out Guerra and Fmart, deliver them Gomez, Pelfrey, Humber and Mulvey. If they need a 5th guy….think guys like Niese or Vineyard rather than Guerra and Fmart.
If we drop our top 3 most ready pitcher into the deal…..we will need to trade again or possibly look to snare a FA flier on Colon, Jennings or Lohse to give us some support for the obvious DL issues we will have with Duque and likely Pedro in his siesta