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“The Yankees have pulled their ‘Phil Hughes-centered trade offer’ for Johan Santana off the table,” reports ESPN Radio’s Andrew Marchand.
According to Marchand, citing a baseball official with knowledge of the talks, the Yankees will not restart trade talks unless Hank Steinbrenner has another change of heart.
…call me a paranoid, or just your typical, skeptical Mets fan, but i don’t trust the language being used here…so, if the Yankees have pulled their Phil Hughes-centered offer, does that mean a new offer with other players may still be on the table…or, are all offers pulled…
…either way, it’s pretty quiet…the insiders who had been communicating with me are no longer saying a whole lot…and i don’t know if that’s good or bad…the only sense i get is that we may start reading words like ‘two teams are close,’ and ‘reached preliminary agreement,’ etc, within the next week or so…the thing is, i just hope it’s linking the Twins and Mets, and not the Twins and Yankees, who are starting to give me an anxiety complex…
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Boston needs him less than the Yankees. This means one thing: just a mere week or two before #57 is stitched onto the Mets uniform.
Yup. Johan here we come … until Hank changes his mind again.
Damnit … I promised myself I wouldn’t get excited.
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy….
Nope, can’t get that excited.
Oh, yes I can!!
according to old hank at 8 pm est there was never a offer to pull and they are definatley in the mix ,also the mets will not trade the farm for one player like they have done in the past this is not omar’s way he is patient sometimes to patient bad news no johan for the might mets this year and its probably a good thing you will see that 2 or 3 years from now when boston & detroits dynastys are over and the yankee team is about gone.Just be prepared for kyle or levan and accept it.
A few days ago, Matt said Santana’s people were in lock down. I keep coming back hoping that somebody has followed up on this or knows more info.
What is lock down? I think I know - I’m guessing it means “zip it” - no more talking to the press.
But does that mean a deal is pending?
Can anybody elaborate on what is really going on with this lock down talk?!
Oh, BTW has anybody seen the latest from Hanky Panky. I just got this from ESPN.com - he is now denying that he ever said that a deal with the Twins was ever off the table. He claims that they’ve been talking a little bit with the Twins all along.
And even when he was saying a deal was off the table, in the next breath he’d say that their offer was still the best offer. In one quote, after claiming that a deal was off the table, he went on to say that he didn’t want the Twins to think that the Yankees were completely out of it. He says he meant that their offer wasn’t just sitting there waiting for them to grab whenever they want to.
WTF?!
Is this guy comic relief or what?
Good.
So maybe we can land him without trading 17 of our best prospects. Smith must have shit his pants upon hearing Hank pull out.
That’s what he gets for playing his hand too long. People aren’t going to hang in this thing forever.
jump, for my love.
I am with Matt on this that tyhe wording is concerning. Did they come up with some other package? Major league ready pitcher? That is what the twins might be looking for in return… The wording is suspect. I am not ready to cheer yet.
Well, since Hughes was the best player they had to offer and it was pretty clear that the Twins felt Hughes was the guy they wanted, then it can be construed that the Yankees pulled out of the running from Santana. (For now.)
I think it means all offers have been pulled, not just one with Hughes. Besides, what better offer would they have?
Having said that, Steinbrenner saying an offer has been pulled and that the Yankees are officially out of the Johan Sweepstakes possibly makes me think they have just turned UP their interest a notch. There IS a contingency between Hank making a proclamation and following through on it………a negative contingency — whenever he says something, he does the exact opposite! (Maybe he learned that from George Costanza, his father’s former, long time Assistant to the Traveling Secretary).
Besides, what better offer would they have?
Exactly. Hughes is regarded as their only significant chip in this, right?
Fine by me if their ‘Melky Cabrera-centered trade offer’ remains on the table …
The only chip they said they’d be willing to part with. Joba Chamberlain is a higher rated prospect and Ian Kennedy is about on part with Hughes.
Laughing my ass off
Yeah, don’t worry, Hank has changes of heart every four hours.
And we use the team “heart” loosely.
That Santana jersey would look good in the blue and orange colors… different number though.. maybe number 30…in met pinstripes… pitching in front of 57,000+, in game 7 of the…
daydreaming at work again…
no waqy is he changing his number not when wilpon realizes how much money heinz ketchup will throw at him for a giant santana sign at citifield.
Would Heinz start selling blue and orange ketchup?
I wasn’t aware that a Phil Hughes-based package was ever on the table. My impression was that the Yanks only ever offered Kennedy. The Twins should have thought hard about a Hughes-led deal, even if it was only Hughes. He’s the best pitching prospect in baseball.
Hughes offer was on the table for a few days during WInter meetings, then Hank set a deadline which passed and the offer was pulled.
Yankees & Sox only seem intent on keeping him from going to each other. Best for all concerned if he joins Mets, including the Twims since they will not have to face him.
Mr. Santana, please sign here……….
I could see them offering a Joba Chamberlain centered deal for Johan. Personally, if I were the Yanks I’d rather keep Hughes. Joba just seems overweight and injury prone, and thats with never starting a game in the show.
I disagree, Joba is their pride and joy.. He has the best stuff overall. Kennedy is not enough, Hughes is too much but Joba is out of the question.
Joba is the guy that has “great stuff, but injuries derailed his career” written all over him.
I would actually trade him if his value is the highest (if it is a choice between him and Hughes).
I am like most on here, stand pat with this offer
Gomez, Mulvey, Guerra, Humber/other prospect.
If the Yankee’s or Sox come back with a better offer then we can expand the deal. If they still do not take it then Omar has not really lost anything. At least this way we will know if it actually will cost Martinez or not.
You can’t trust a word this guy says. Hank will change his mind by this afternoon.
I agree. I don’t trust Hankensein.
I’d take a prospect or 2 off the list since the Yankees are out of the running. Boston was only going after him so that the Yankees couldn’t get him. I believe the Twins are digging themselves a huge hole here and if I was Minaya I’d make them pay for being such scum bags and offer them one good prospect with a couple of 2nd tier ones. If the rumors are correct and Santana only wants to come to New York or Boston, I believe the Mets are in the driver’s seat finally.
Gomez and Mulvey seem to be the central 2 guys always in the deal (and I am fine with that!)
If they can eventually wait this out to being them, + 2 more guys that aren’t Guerra or F Mart 9or pelfrey, who it doesn’t seem that they want), then it was well done by Omar.
The Twins will get some promising talent (maybe not really impacting FT until 2009, but the Twinkees ain’t winning in 2008 anyway). The Mets get Santana and still have a viable farm system.
The other 2 could be most anyone, depending if the Twins want ML or ML ready, or younger guys.
While I agree with your point of waiting. I still think we need to leave the best offer on the table. That has to be Gomez, Mulvey/Pelfrey, Guerra, Humber/other B prospect. That would leave us Fmart and either Pelfrey or Mulvey for depth.
I just think there is a middle ground here. If we pull out more players then the Twins will keep waiting and then there are 2 other posibilities that open up. 1) The Twins go around digging up other partners that may not match the Mets 4 prospects deal but can with 1-2 super prospects. 2) They just decide to keep him and get as much ticket revenue as possible and look to trade him in the fall. You can’t tell me that some contender will not be willing to give up a top prospect for him in the fall.
This is a dangerous game we are playing and I think Omar is doing a good job. Lets just see what plays out.
Unless Santana says he wants to go to the Mets. Then the Twins are screwed or they could play out the season and get one pick in the draft next year.
Or Santana could say I will take less and stay in Minnesota. Santana has already said he will try and do what’s best for the organization too.
That’s a very fair point. Had the Twins made a move two weeks ago, they would probably have gotten a better deal than they are going to get by the end of the offseason.
they got a little greedy and its going to cost them in the end. they couldve gotten a better deal but at the time they thought theyd get more bc they prob thought someone would crack and unload the farm. problem is the sox yanks and mets all knew if he wasnt traded they could sign him next year. minnesota definitely shouldve taken this into consideration, while they dont HAVE to trade him, they are better off doing so and therefore dont have as much leverage as they may have thought.
The wheels on the bus go round and round…
at the end of the day I just can’t see the Yanks trading away their top pitching prospect, Hughes, and Melky Cabrera and another prospect or two for a player who is going to put them yet another $20 + million over the luxury tax. If that Yankee trade package is offered I think the Red Sox will become active to keep Santana away from the Yanks. If the deal hinges on Martinez I think the Mets are willing to throw in Martinez to guarantee a trade to the Mets.
From the Yanks and Red Sox perspective, I think trading for Santana is much more expensive for them in both prospects and money than for the Mets.
but then again…it is the Yanks.
To Matt, and the others getting “worried about the wording” here: are you ignoring the very next sentence in the ESPN article?
“The Yankees, then, will not restart trade talks with the Twins unless Hank Steinbrenner has another change of heart, a baseball official with knowledge of the talks told 1050 ESPN Radio’s Andrew Marchand.”
Saying that they “will not restart trade talks with the Twins” sure as hell sounds to me like they don’t have any offers out there…
I am not concerned about Hank. Hank and Hal have equal say in this situation despite Hank having the big mouth. Hal doesn’t want to do it for money reasons Hank wants to do it for the splash factor, Cashman doesn’t want to because he wants to keep the system that he has built with the big pitchers. Hank will need to do a lot of convincing in order to get this done.
I am actually worried about a sleeper team now. What if the Dodgers, Angels, or Cubs magically enter the race last minute? I guess it would be up to Johan to help us out there as all of those teams have the prospects and the money to get Johan. That’s why I don’t want this to go on much longer. If we lessen our offer based on the Yankee’s then the Twins will start digging for other teams. Right now we are in the drivers seat, we have the rare car we want and will pay sticker price for it and right now no one else will.
I raised the same mystery team question on an earlier thread. Who know’s which team is laying in the weeds waiting to strike?
Wouldn’t it be a kick in the teeth in th eteeth if the next offcial announcement was that the Braves just traded for him? They might not have the budget, but they probably have the young talent!
Now the Cubs, that is interesting… I would worry more about it if mark Cuban had already bought them!
I actually am waiting for the Angels or Cubs to get in within the next week or 2. The Dodgers already have a top rotation but the Dbacks did get that ace so that puts some pressure on the Dodgers. No doubt that they have the prospects to do it.
The Cubs, money is there. They could dump Marquis salary on any of these pitching desperate teams like the Mets. If they see they can’t get Roberts or Bedard then they may look to get into the Santana mix as well.
Most see this as the longer it plays out the better it is for the Mets, I however do not see it this way. If the Mets are going to get him I think it will be in the next 2-3 weeks. After that I just don’t see it happening.
My fear as well bro!
Tom Hicks?