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“The Yankees have pulled their ‘Phil Hughes-centered trade offer’ for Johan Santana off the table,” reports ESPN Radio’s Andrew Marchand.
According to Marchand, citing a baseball official with knowledge of the talks, the Yankees will not restart trade talks unless Hank Steinbrenner has another change of heart.
…call me a paranoid, or just your typical, skeptical Mets fan, but i don’t trust the language being used here…so, if the Yankees have pulled their Phil Hughes-centered offer, does that mean a new offer with other players may still be on the table…or, are all offers pulled…
…either way, it’s pretty quiet…the insiders who had been communicating with me are no longer saying a whole lot…and i don’t know if that’s good or bad…the only sense i get is that we may start reading words like ‘two teams are close,’ and ‘reached preliminary agreement,’ etc, within the next week or so…the thing is, i just hope it’s linking the Twins and Mets, and not the Twins and Yankees, who are starting to give me an anxiety complex…
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Boston needs him less than the Yankees. This means one thing: just a mere week or two before #57 is stitched onto the Mets uniform.
Yup. Johan here we come … until Hank changes his mind again.
Damnit … I promised myself I wouldn’t get excited.
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy….
Nope, can’t get that excited.
Oh, yes I can!!
according to old hank at 8 pm est there was never a offer to pull and they are definatley in the mix ,also the mets will not trade the farm for one player like they have done in the past this is not omar’s way he is patient sometimes to patient bad news no johan for the might mets this year and its probably a good thing you will see that 2 or 3 years from now when boston & detroits dynastys are over and the yankee team is about gone.Just be prepared for kyle or levan and accept it.
A few days ago, Matt said Santana’s people were in lock down. I keep coming back hoping that somebody has followed up on this or knows more info.
What is lock down? I think I know – I’m guessing it means “zip it” – no more talking to the press.
But does that mean a deal is pending?
Can anybody elaborate on what is really going on with this lock down talk?!
Oh, BTW has anybody seen the latest from Hanky Panky. I just got this from ESPN.com – he is now denying that he ever said that a deal with the Twins was ever off the table. He claims that they’ve been talking a little bit with the Twins all along.
And even when he was saying a deal was off the table, in the next breath he’d say that their offer was still the best offer. In one quote, after claiming that a deal was off the table, he went on to say that he didn’t want the Twins to think that the Yankees were completely out of it. He says he meant that their offer wasn’t just sitting there waiting for them to grab whenever they want to.
WTF?!
Is this guy comic relief or what?
Good.
So maybe we can land him without trading 17 of our best prospects. Smith must have shit his pants upon hearing Hank pull out.
That’s what he gets for playing his hand too long. People aren’t going to hang in this thing forever.
jump, for my love.
I am with Matt on this that tyhe wording is concerning. Did they come up with some other package? Major league ready pitcher? That is what the twins might be looking for in return… The wording is suspect. I am not ready to cheer yet.
Well, since Hughes was the best player they had to offer and it was pretty clear that the Twins felt Hughes was the guy they wanted, then it can be construed that the Yankees pulled out of the running from Santana. (For now.)
I think it means all offers have been pulled, not just one with Hughes. Besides, what better offer would they have?
Having said that, Steinbrenner saying an offer has been pulled and that the Yankees are officially out of the Johan Sweepstakes possibly makes me think they have just turned UP their interest a notch. There IS a contingency between Hank making a proclamation and following through on it………a negative contingency — whenever he says something, he does the exact opposite! (Maybe he learned that from George Costanza, his father’s former, long time Assistant to the Traveling Secretary).
Besides, what better offer would they have?
Exactly. Hughes is regarded as their only significant chip in this, right?
Fine by me if their ‘Melky Cabrera-centered trade offer’ remains on the table …
The only chip they said they’d be willing to part with. Joba Chamberlain is a higher rated prospect and Ian Kennedy is about on part with Hughes.
Laughing my ass off
Yeah, don’t worry, Hank has changes of heart every four hours.
And we use the team “heart” loosely.
That Santana jersey would look good in the blue and orange colors… different number though.. maybe number 30…in met pinstripes… pitching in front of 57,000+, in game 7 of the…
daydreaming at work again…
no waqy is he changing his number not when wilpon realizes how much money heinz ketchup will throw at him for a giant santana sign at citifield.
Would Heinz start selling blue and orange ketchup?
I wasn’t aware that a Phil Hughes-based package was ever on the table. My impression was that the Yanks only ever offered Kennedy. The Twins should have thought hard about a Hughes-led deal, even if it was only Hughes. He’s the best pitching prospect in baseball.
Hughes offer was on the table for a few days during WInter meetings, then Hank set a deadline which passed and the offer was pulled.
Yankees & Sox only seem intent on keeping him from going to each other. Best for all concerned if he joins Mets, including the Twims since they will not have to face him.
Mr. Santana, please sign here……….
I could see them offering a Joba Chamberlain centered deal for Johan. Personally, if I were the Yanks I’d rather keep Hughes. Joba just seems overweight and injury prone, and thats with never starting a game in the show.
I disagree, Joba is their pride and joy.. He has the best stuff overall. Kennedy is not enough, Hughes is too much but Joba is out of the question.
Joba is the guy that has “great stuff, but injuries derailed his career” written all over him.
I would actually trade him if his value is the highest (if it is a choice between him and Hughes).
I am like most on here, stand pat with this offer
Gomez, Mulvey, Guerra, Humber/other prospect.
If the Yankee’s or Sox come back with a better offer then we can expand the deal. If they still do not take it then Omar has not really lost anything. At least this way we will know if it actually will cost Martinez or not.
You can’t trust a word this guy says. Hank will change his mind by this afternoon.
I agree. I don’t trust Hankensein.
I’d take a prospect or 2 off the list since the Yankees are out of the running. Boston was only going after him so that the Yankees couldn’t get him. I believe the Twins are digging themselves a huge hole here and if I was Minaya I’d make them pay for being such scum bags and offer them one good prospect with a couple of 2nd tier ones. If the rumors are correct and Santana only wants to come to New York or Boston, I believe the Mets are in the driver’s seat finally.
Gomez and Mulvey seem to be the central 2 guys always in the deal (and I am fine with that!)
If they can eventually wait this out to being them, + 2 more guys that aren’t Guerra or F Mart 9or pelfrey, who it doesn’t seem that they want), then it was well done by Omar.
The Twins will get some promising talent (maybe not really impacting FT until 2009, but the Twinkees ain’t winning in 2008 anyway). The Mets get Santana and still have a viable farm system.
The other 2 could be most anyone, depending if the Twins want ML or ML ready, or younger guys.
While I agree with your point of waiting. I still think we need to leave the best offer on the table. That has to be Gomez, Mulvey/Pelfrey, Guerra, Humber/other B prospect. That would leave us Fmart and either Pelfrey or Mulvey for depth.
I just think there is a middle ground here. If we pull out more players then the Twins will keep waiting and then there are 2 other posibilities that open up. 1) The Twins go around digging up other partners that may not match the Mets 4 prospects deal but can with 1-2 super prospects. 2) They just decide to keep him and get as much ticket revenue as possible and look to trade him in the fall. You can’t tell me that some contender will not be willing to give up a top prospect for him in the fall.
This is a dangerous game we are playing and I think Omar is doing a good job. Lets just see what plays out.
Unless Santana says he wants to go to the Mets. Then the Twins are screwed or they could play out the season and get one pick in the draft next year.
Or Santana could say I will take less and stay in Minnesota. Santana has already said he will try and do what’s best for the organization too.
That’s a very fair point. Had the Twins made a move two weeks ago, they would probably have gotten a better deal than they are going to get by the end of the offseason.
they got a little greedy and its going to cost them in the end. they couldve gotten a better deal but at the time they thought theyd get more bc they prob thought someone would crack and unload the farm. problem is the sox yanks and mets all knew if he wasnt traded they could sign him next year. minnesota definitely shouldve taken this into consideration, while they dont HAVE to trade him, they are better off doing so and therefore dont have as much leverage as they may have thought.
The wheels on the bus go round and round…
at the end of the day I just can’t see the Yanks trading away their top pitching prospect, Hughes, and Melky Cabrera and another prospect or two for a player who is going to put them yet another $20 + million over the luxury tax. If that Yankee trade package is offered I think the Red Sox will become active to keep Santana away from the Yanks. If the deal hinges on Martinez I think the Mets are willing to throw in Martinez to guarantee a trade to the Mets.
From the Yanks and Red Sox perspective, I think trading for Santana is much more expensive for them in both prospects and money than for the Mets.
but then again…it is the Yanks.
To Matt, and the others getting “worried about the wording” here: are you ignoring the very next sentence in the ESPN article?
“The Yankees, then, will not restart trade talks with the Twins unless Hank Steinbrenner has another change of heart, a baseball official with knowledge of the talks told 1050 ESPN Radio’s Andrew Marchand.”
Saying that they “will not restart trade talks with the Twins” sure as hell sounds to me like they don’t have any offers out there…
I am not concerned about Hank. Hank and Hal have equal say in this situation despite Hank having the big mouth. Hal doesn’t want to do it for money reasons Hank wants to do it for the splash factor, Cashman doesn’t want to because he wants to keep the system that he has built with the big pitchers. Hank will need to do a lot of convincing in order to get this done.
I am actually worried about a sleeper team now. What if the Dodgers, Angels, or Cubs magically enter the race last minute? I guess it would be up to Johan to help us out there as all of those teams have the prospects and the money to get Johan. That’s why I don’t want this to go on much longer. If we lessen our offer based on the Yankee’s then the Twins will start digging for other teams. Right now we are in the drivers seat, we have the rare car we want and will pay sticker price for it and right now no one else will.
I raised the same mystery team question on an earlier thread. Who know’s which team is laying in the weeds waiting to strike?
Wouldn’t it be a kick in the teeth in th eteeth if the next offcial announcement was that the Braves just traded for him? They might not have the budget, but they probably have the young talent!
Now the Cubs, that is interesting… I would worry more about it if mark Cuban had already bought them!
I actually am waiting for the Angels or Cubs to get in within the next week or 2. The Dodgers already have a top rotation but the Dbacks did get that ace so that puts some pressure on the Dodgers. No doubt that they have the prospects to do it.
The Cubs, money is there. They could dump Marquis salary on any of these pitching desperate teams like the Mets. If they see they can’t get Roberts or Bedard then they may look to get into the Santana mix as well.
Most see this as the longer it plays out the better it is for the Mets, I however do not see it this way. If the Mets are going to get him I think it will be in the next 2-3 weeks. After that I just don’t see it happening.
My fear as well bro!
Tom Hicks?
The Braves have zero chance. They traded 4 of their top 10 prospects for Texiera, and another one in Devine for Kotsay. And they can’t afford 20 million a year. I1/4 of their payroll tied up in one player for 6 years? Not happening.
The Dodgers won’t give up Kershaw, Broxton, Billingsley, or Kemp. Plus, they just signed Kuroda for $11 million. Not happening.
The M’s can’t afford him.
He’s ours for the taking. Patience.
How do you know that the Dodgers won’t give up any of those guys. What if the Twins originally said it would take 3 of those guys but now that the Mets and Yankee’s will not include ….. would you consider giving us 2 of those guys? The Dodgers very well may consider it.
I have already commented on how the Cubs have the prospects and the money.
Because Colletti said so. While I have no doubt people have changed their mind in the past. But Ned seems stuck on his prospects and they already have 40 million tied up in their rotation. They need the youngsters to keep the payroll reasonable for the next few years. If he dumps 2 low cost. high performance players now for a $20 million a year pitcher, he’s got a hole to fill and no money to do it. The Dodgers will spend, but McCourt doesn’t like to spend huge.
Thing to rememeber is these teams have to be able to resign him or they are not going to give up their prospects for a one year purchase. It is pertty clear Sanatana is limited in where he wants to go. These teams are not going to jump into the ring for a one year purchase.
If the Johan rumors are correct, he could veto the deal to any team he doesn’t want to go to. According to several sources over the past weeks it seem more likely that he wants a National League team. The Cubs won’t do it because the have spend enough money. Hopefully, he doesn’t like the West Coast which will be great for the Mets.
While I agree with the fact that Johan prob. wants to go to an NL team there is still question on his notrade clause. I have seen it posted many times that it ends around opening day.
Then there is the fact that he could refuse to negoiate a deal with his new team, which would lessen the prospects but teams will trade big time prospects for WS runs anyway, then they would just take the draft picks for him leaving.
All that being said, if in July the Red Sox, __________ any other big market team, need a pitcher and they are in the hunt for a WS do you really think he will say no to a trade or extension?
If a team is really willing to give up the farm for 2 or 3 months, be my guest. I’d sit and wait knowing that next year he’s a free agent and going to the Mets and to a brand new stadium. We’ve been waiting since 86 for a title, what’s another year?
Not true at all. He had a clause that said if he finished within the top 3 in CY voting in 2006 or 2007, then he would have a FULL no-trade. He won the 2006 CY award, so he’s got his FULL no-trade through his contract.
Charlie, check MLBtraderumors they can’t even figure it out. So regardless, he is not going to turn down a chance to win a WS.
landyg21, teams do it all the time. A team has windows. If a team actually thinks this is the year they will trade those top prospect to gain the advantage. It’s a bad example because it was a “Mets type” move but remember Kazmir? If we are 2 games up on the Philies and they acquire Blanton do you not think that Omar would go all in for Santana?
Do a google search for Cot’s Johan Santana.
It’s crystal clear that he has full no-trade rights.
We gave up one top prospect for one piece of ____. Not 4 top prospect for a guy who’s going to get 150 million and we’re still not guaranteed a title or a healthy Cy Young award winner. So we’re basically giving up.
Gomez
Guerra
Mulvey for Santana
Martinez
150 million
If you think the Kazmir deal was bad, just imagine for a moment that Santana comes to the Mets then he gets injured, never hits over 90 on the gun again and looks more like John Franco or Tom Glavine plus 150 million. Then you look at Minnesota has 2 young all stars in Martinez and Guerra rubbing it in every Mets fans face like Kazmir when he pitches against the Yankees or Red Sox. I’m also counting on Gomez and Mulvey to do absolutely nothing. Just imagine.
Stop playing the what if game. What if he comes in and pitches like Tom Seaver and our prospects turn in to junk? Even if one of the prospects turns out, will he be as good as Santana baring injury? I would expect not.
As for your other post, I never said we would still trade 4 prospects for Santana in July but I bet they could still get 2 or 3.
None of these pitchers that get a big and long term deal never pan out. Bartolo Colon, Jason Schmidt, Barry Zito, Mike Mussina, and Andy Pettitte. You can even count Pedro in this conversation. All took big deals from different clubs and all had either sub par seasons or injury laden ones. Pitching is a mystery and you really don’t know what your getting. It’s easier to trade 4 prospect for Arod then Santana. At least your getting 40 Hr’s and 120 rbi’s.
How do you know he doesn’t like the West Coast? What does he hate sunshine? Does he hate less media pressure? For $150 Million i would picther on Mars!
exactlly
Some guys just like the East Coast over the West. If you play in the West you have alot more travel then East Coast teams.
Who really wants to go to Seattle 3 times a year?
It was speculated very early in the offseason (before all this turned to a media merry-go-round) that Johan preferred the east coast because the west coast would double the time it would take to get to Venezuela and his home being built in Ft. Myers, Florida.
The west coast was never an option for Johan and many west coast suitors didn’t even try knowing the above.
Well, I finally re-upped my Saturday tickets plan for next year almost entirely based on my belief (hope) that Santana will wind up on the Mets in the next few weeks. I just cannot belief the club wants to risk a slide into third place before the new Stadium opens.
How have Atlanta and the Phills gotten magically that much better than the Mets as things currently stand? They are not risking 3rd place anymore than the Braves or Phils are. As things are right now the NL east will come down to the last couple of weeks again. If that is the direction the Mets go in, it will be because they could not get Santana and I will understand that and look forward to an exciting season.
The Mets are still a better team then anyone in the East, stop being such pessimist since the choked last year. Shit happens, hopefully it doesn’t happen twice.
I hope that is in reply to the post above mine, if not then you can’t read.
it is
But, won’t you feel silly if he never pitches a home game on a Saturday!
I always ended up getting the misc. spare starter instead of the Gooden/COne/etc. types over the years. And recently, way too much Glavine.
Anyone else feel like this is turning into Groundhog Day.
Same thing every day, yet I’m hooked on every post as I imagine everyone else is, too.
Yup, but hey it’s a great distraction in the middle of the day. Every so often, I take a break, go to Metsblog and see what’s going on. The Mets are nearly a part of my family at this point in my fandom. This is important to me (although my wife thinks I’m nuts).
“take a break” yeah that’s the ticket, I’m on break
;)
Considering the state of ML pitching and how our team is set up, would it be better to hold Guerra and move F-Mart, even if Gomez is going in the same deal? I love what I’ve heard about him, but we have Wright, Reyes and Beltran long term as stud, superstar hitters. Wouldn’t a stud pitcher on the horizon mean more for our team, to pair with Johan in the future, than adding to our lineup?
I’m thinking complimentary hitters (#2 and #5) in addition to whatever Church may turn into may be easier to come across.
Gomez, F-Mart, Mulvey, Humber leaves us with Pelfrey in the short term and Guerra 2-3 years down the line. I’m thinking there will always be Wilkerson / Stewart / Jenkins types to man the corners not to mention a stud who makes it to FA, which doesn’t seem to be happening with pitchers anymore.
I think that’s the direction Omar is leaning. If the Twins finally realize we’re the only appropriate suitors and insist on getting Fernando Martinez (he is our top prospect according BA) then I can assume Omar will take Guerra out of the deal and replace him with another middle-tier prospect (Rustich or Kunz?)
Even if the mets get Santana, he’ll need Tommy John surgery by July
Thanks for that wonderful outlook on our farewell season @ Shea. You ever think about writing greeting cards for Hallmark?
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Isn’t there a way for the Mets to acquire Santana without having to give up Carlos Gomez? I’d be disappointed if they were to trade Gomez. Couldn’t they create a package with Angel Pagan or Endy Chavez with three pitchers who aren’t Kevin Mulvey, Pelfrey or Philip Humber?
– Eric D., Bronx, N.Y.
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I think he is refering to a package for Rafel Santana.
hahaha
so that means he wants to trade angel pagan, carlos muniz, and joe smith for johan santana. we definitely come out on top of that deal. i bet the yanks and red sox had chips like that to offer.
*wish they had chips like that
the quiet before the storm…
im curious to see what the spin will be when all the analysts have to explain why the twins would accept a package of the mets “inferior” “low potential” “unwanted” “worthless” prospects.
They won’t. Analysts and talking heads just move on and pretend they never said their earlier remarks.
I will guarantee at least one of the ones that said that about the mets prospects/package will start screaming that the mets wildly overpaid, gave up the future, etc.!
The Hughes offer was never on the table to begin with.
in the 4 months since the 2007 season ended, we have learned that santana will be traded to one of the following: yanks, red sox, mets.
nothing has changed besides some rhetoric btw the teams.
Didn’t Hank pull this offer off the table in November?
Why is anyone listening to this moron? His quote today was borderline hilarious: When asked about the Yankees’ package of players, Steinbrenner would not comment but did tell the Daily News that “it’s still the best one. And let’s face it, we’re the best able to handle the kind of [nine-figure extension] Santana will be after.”
Um, how does Hank know what else is being offered? And when did he become a master talent evaluator? And WTF is he talking about on the money thing? Does he think he is applying for a mortgage?
How is the press giving this buffoon a free pass in this town. If I were a Yankee fan I would be soiling myself seeing my team is suddenly in the hands of a buffoon who has no working comprehension of the fact that the world doesn’t revolve around him and his team. Where’d this guy even come from? Did George have him locked in the basement for the last 50 years?
I mean read that quote – this guy is running a MLB team???!!!
If I were the Twins GM I’d laugh at this. Hank has pulled out more times a kid on prom night. Anyone remember his hard stance on A-Rod? I’d take Roger Clemens word over this imbecile.
I think its just pathetic hearing Hank Stein…..Yeah we all get it, Your just trying to be the new George. What i think is even more funny is him talking about Santana while all GM’s from other teams say they refuse to comment on players from other teams. A more respectful approach
I pulled out 7 times on Prom Night! Oh yeah!
Hank’s strategy is to change his mind so many times that no one will ever be sure what he’s really thinking, or whether he’s even sane.
I don’t see how the Yankees can top Hughes.
They aren’t trading Joba or any of their high class really paid players. They may trade Matsui but is there really any incentive for the Twins to take it?
Lester, Lowrie, Crisp & Masterson
Vs.
Gomez, Guerra, Mulvey & Humber.
Close one.
Cano might be tempting. Having Shelly Duncan and Jason Lane could free up Wilson Betemit to play 2B if the Yankees need him to. I remember he was mentioned frequently in speculation during the end of the season.
How about a 3-way trade?
Try this one:
Mets get:
Santana
Twins get:
Blanton (more major league proven talent)
Gomez
Guerra
A’s get:
Mulvey
Heilman
Humber
The Mets keep pelfrey and F-Mart, the Twins get the package of major league ready talent (Blanton is under control for another 3 years and can be signed more reasonably then Johan) and prospects they are seeking, and the A’s get 2 prospects and Heilman for a pitcher they are looking to trade anyway.
Also keep in mind that Duaner Sanchez is coming back this year, and all reports so far is that he has looked great pitching in the winter league….
In my opinion this makes Heilman expendable and bullpen pitchers always seem to “pop-up” more then a top of the rotation starter…
Everyone seems quick to include Heilman in these deals. Sanchez cant be expected to produce
“Heilman like production ” for a full season. You just cant make that assumption based on positive winter reports.
Gomez, Guerra, Mulvey & Humber is a solid package. it shouldnt take Fmart and Heilman to get this deal done.
The a’s might want a position player, because they stink on offense
So word on the street is that the twins are not sure if they want a large collection of prospects, or 1 or 2 major leauge ready players for Johan. Am I the only one who raised an eyebrow here? So opposed to cleaning out the mets farm system, 1 or 2 major leauge talent players could be adequate; whoom my guess either, Gomez or Church, to go along with either John Main or Oliver Perez. Very interesting as the 72 hour window for Santana negotiations could be used for Oliver Perez negotiations which with the cost to sign long term and all considering factors would not be as disappointing to twin fans. Or is it a Coincidence Omar continues to brag about our 15 game winners last season in John&Oliver,,,,,,,Bam!
Oh yes forgot to add Mulvey to the deal as he will deffinately be in any trade package for Johan. Then mets trade for matt morris, or just sign jennings to complete the rotation.,,,,, Bam!
Well, if the Twins were happy with the Sox offer they would have taken it by now. The Yankees know this as well. The Yankees know the Mets deal is better and so they don’t need to up their offer and they can even pull it back, which is what they did. The Sox don’t need to go up more in their deal- they won the Series without Santana and if the Yankees don’t get Santana, they don’t even need the trade. Therefore the Mets are in the drivers seat on this.
The only question is if the Twins want to deal now or deal in the middle of the season for a lesser deal. If they do this they get some value from Santana this year, and a deal for less prospects but top quality prospects in the middle of the year. Which in essence gets them two top notch prospects and a half a year of Santana.
The trade in August would look essentially like this.
1/2-season Santana + Gomez + Guerra = Santana
as opposed to the current deal
Gomez + Guerra + Humber + Mulvey = Santana.
I can see why it may be worth it for the Twins to wait on this.
By the way, the Sox and Yanks are poised to use the key players in their offers more as part of their team this year and they will not be part of the deal later in the season as they won’t be able to trade off the key parts of their team for Santana at that point.
I disagree. The Twins have that deal in their back pocket. The Sox put it out there and said it will be there waiting whenever they want to take it. If they haven’t taken it, it may not necessarily they never will. They will always have that deal to fall back on.
I also wouldn’t rule out the Twins themselves.
Smith has always said resigning Santana would be his first choice. That first offer was just that a first offer. It was lowball knowing that anything they offered would likely be rejected and used to jack up another team.
My guess is that the Twins will try to make another offer before they trade him.
Now to Omar’s scheme of things; 1 with Pelfrey&Humber still on the team, and the addition of the specialist Schnieder to exhaust their pitching talent, the mets dominate the season with 7 possible quality starting pitchers, however Schnieder becomes another Rey Ordonez whos defense is spectatular, however also an automatic out in the 8 hole (are there any other clips of Schnieder hitting besides his lone double at shea statium we are forced to watch everytime his name comes up?) just to remind you the automatic out in the 8 hole might not get us over the hump, but by that time we might be able to trade one of our 7 starting pitchers for a real catcher… Bam!
Great insight on Schneider being an automatic out — though next time you probably should not admit to only seeing him hit one time.
I probably seen schneider hit a bunch of times, only thing is he never caught my eye because1) he was a national, and 2) because he must of not of been too impressive, and 3) I guess he simply was not too popular, 4) please refer to #2
Plus, you don’t need to watch him to be able to tell he’s an automatic out. His career OPS of .700 will tell you that.
hey omar, wake up…pull the trigger on the johan deal already! Send whatever it takes…johan, pedro can be on of the greatest one-two punches of all time. Maybe it’sonly for a few years, but man, they would be some sick years.
The METS are NOT in the drivers seat. The Twins have Santana and are now and will always be in the drivers seat concerning any deal involving him. It’s a different “ballgame” here in MN than it is in NY or Boston for that matter. The GM here will not be tarred a feathered if we end up with a couple of draft picks at the end of the year for Johan. The fans know how baseball works. The higher the revenue, the more pennants can be bought. The Yankees paid almost as much in luxury taxes than the Twins entire yearly payroll. We in MN don’t like it, but it is what it is. If you think our GM is just going to hand over Johan for a couple of prospects and a couple of undesirables, you better think again. If your best offer is no good, Santana in a Twins uniform is just fine by me. We’ll take our chances with our draft pick. I hope you get him if we trade him, but ONLY for a good offer. WE have Santana, whether the Yankees or Boston are bidding for him is irrelevant, if the package isn’t good enough, he stays here in MN. Good Luck
I keep saying that the Twins can still resign him. They do have the money and Santana has said that he would like to remain in Minnesota. He’s said that on several occasions and also warned the Twins that the longer they wait, the more expensive it would likely get to resign him (I guess that means he’s psychic too). I remember that being discussed last winter and a little bit during spring training.
Also keep in mind that the Twins are also the only team that can legally talk to Santana about a deal.
I’m also thinking that with all the foot dragging by all the teams involved in this thing, maybe Santana’s people are starting to realize that they aren’t likely to get near the money they were hoping for.
Maybe Santana’s agent is starting to realize that the big market teams aren’t standing in line to throw money and years at his feet. Maybe that 4 year 80 million deal is starting to look more realistic. Maybe they’re thinking they can work with it and find something between what they want and what the Twins are offering.
I guess what I’m saying is that you can’t really rule out anything.
It might just happen if they haven’t taken one of these rumored deals (assuming they are in fact true).
The Twins offered a 4/80 extension, right? That isn’t exactly lowballing them, hoping for a home town discount!
Maybe if they add a 5th year (5 at 20 million per)? Possibly tie that to innings pitched or something as a vesting year?
Still think it would be great for baseball as a whole for the Twins to keep him.
Besides, if he takes the 4 year deal, he isn’t likely to starve making 20/million a year, plus he would be a FA again at age 33/34 ish.
ANd if his “people” don’t think he can still get a big money deal at that age (implying that he will no longer be a top quality pitcher) they have some serious brass ones asking for a 7 year deal!
He can always finish out his career in NY if he wants to (and they want him). 34 is just about old enough to crack the Yankee or Met rotation (maybe a little young…)
hey, what province is minneapolis in? just kidding. i hear what your saying, but you might wanna check with the nationals and see how the alfonso soriano debacle worked out. From i what i understand we are offering a pretty decent package of prospects. I do not like the ridiculous financial landscape of MLB at all, but it is what it is and i say we do whatever it takes to get johan
You are right that the Twins ultimately are in the driver’s seat. But amongst the Mets, Sox and Yanks, the Mets are in the lead.
So you added one more choice.
1. 4 picks now
2. 1/2 season Santana and two picks
3. Full season one pick after the first round
I can see why the Twins want Major League ready talent right now. They don’t want to throw the season away. And if this is their top desire, they won’t trade him now unless it is worth their while. Hence, let the Mets give in. Thus concluding that adding Martinez to the deal would get this done. That is an offer that is lopsided for the Twins.
Let him go back to Minn. He is the best major league talent being discussed inthis deal if that is what they are looking for!