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Yesterday, ESPN.com’s Andrew Marchand reported that the Yankees had pulled their ‘Phil Hughes-centered 
trade offer’ for Johan Santana, adding that the they will not restart trade talks unless Hank Steinbrenner has another change of heart.
Roughly four hours later, Steinbrenner told the Associated Press that the Yankees are still discussing Santana, adding, “There’s still a little talk back and forth.
…oh…my…god…it’s like the movie Groundhog Day…
Steinbrenner, as quoted by the AP…
“There wasn’t an official offer anyway. You can’t withdraw something that wasn’t there. There was no official offer on the table at this time.”
Additionally, according to Tyler Kepner in the New York Times, the Yankees have not had a formal trade offer since the winter meetings in December.
…well, that at least jives with what i had been writing, which is that the Twins want Phil Hughes, and the Yankees will not part with him…once they say, ‘Hey, here’s Hughes, come and get it,’ the Yankees will vault in to the front-runner’s position in this race, and i believe that is what the Twins are holing out hope for…
…of course, if the Yankees can offer a better package from the Twins point of view, one which keeps hughes in pinstripes, but gives minnesota the impactful, major-league ready pitcher they are seeking, the Yankees current quotes could be true - even though they read like flip-flopping nonsense…
In the New York Post, Mark Hale and Mike Puma quote Yankees GM Brian Cashman as saying he could still make a deal for Santana, “if the Twins lower the asking price.”
According to Puma and Hale, citing ‘another Yankees official,’ the Twins continue to demand Hughes, Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and Jeff Marquez.
For more on the internal arguments within the Yankees, check out Kepner in the New York Times.
At the same time, according to the Pioneer Press, the Red Sox remain ‘keenly interested’ in trading for Santana.
Meanwhile, according to a person familiar with the situation, Puma and Hale write that a) the Mets are unwilling to go give more than a five-year extension to Santana, and b) the Mets are not engaged in heavy discussions with the Twins anyways.
Last night on SNY’s Mets Hot Stove, the Star-Ledger’s Dan Graziano, FoxSports.com’s Ken Rosenthal and former-GM Jim Duquette talked with Kevin Burkhardt about whether the Mets should trade so many prospects for Santana.
To watch a clip of the discussion, click here.
…by the way, am i the only one who winced at the irony of duquette providing insight in to trading young prospects…eek…
For what it’s worth, when asked where he believes Santana will eventually end up, Rosenthal ‘reluctantly’ said ‘the Mets,’ since he no longer believes anything the Yankees say publicly.
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I know if it’s Mets related, you have to post it. But, it’s getting to the point for me personally where I wish the site had a filter option so that I would only see a Santana option if the article contained the phrase “Santana traded to Mets.” Again, this comment isn’t meant to say Santana related fluff shouldn’t be posted here as there may be a good number of fans still carnivorous for any hanging Santana news regardless of it actually being “new”. But this is my reaction and I thought to put it out there.
How about you scroll right past it if you don’t want to read it.
People love to just bitch and moan about anything.
It is getting ridiculous however. In less that 24 hours Matt has posted two stories on Santana and the Yankees that directly contradict each other.
Given the mecurial nature of Hank Steinbrenner, I think it would be a good policy to wait 24 hours before posting anything involving him as the story is likely to change at least once over that period of time.
actually, in the past 24 hours, the press has published two stories on Santana and the Yankees that directly contradict each other.
Matt comments on the mainstream media’s take on things, and this story keeps coming, what about this is so hard for people to understand? He even threw ya’ll a groundhog day reference, since that has been in the comments every day since christmas…
that said, I’d like a conclusion too, please ;)
Yeah but, I expect more from Matt than I do from the MSM. Those guys are mostly generalists who just throw stories out there because they have a deadline to meet. In Matt’s case, he does have the luxury of time (more or less), so he can stop and consider all the angles before posting a story.
In addition to Metsblog, I have a couple of other RSS feeds linked to MSM sports sites. So I can get those multple stories that often contradict each other and/or have no basis in reason. I look to Metsblog to make sense of it all.
Matt ownes a BLOG not a NEWSPAPER! What he does is comment on articles he finds online or in the paper. The sooner you can grasp this concept the faster you will understand that all of the posts ARE what this site is about.
IF you don’t like hearing all of the comments about Santana et al they go somewhere else and spend less time bitchin about how many times you have to read about Santana posts. You have a the power to choose what you read if you don’t like the format of this BLOG then GO just GO.
Try hitting the refresh button on the NY Daily News you will find yourself less frustrated as they will not have as many posts for discussion.
Geezzz I am sick of everyone bashing Matt and this site and how many Santana posts there are. I for one welcome the posts and the updates. I come here because Matt does the work for me I don’t have to go and hunt down the articles myself (I also use sportspyder dot com for that)
OK. Calm down. Deep breaths. In….and out….in….and out…Calm blue ocean, calm blue ocean.
Feel better?
I am not “bashing” Matt - I am offering constructive criticism (another feature of a blog, BTW) about filtering the reams and reams of Santana news that pours out of the MSM everyday. Matt himself has posted opinion surveys on occasion asking about the quantity and quality of his posts - so obviously it is of concern to him.
If you cannot deal with other people’s comments that differ from your point of view, then go somewhere else and spend less time bitchin about how many times you have to read comments about Santana posts. You have a the power to choose what you read if you don’t like the format of this BLOG then GO just GO.
I sense you’re a C student without a great ability for reading comprehension. I’ll try to dummy it down for you, I offered an observation about the state of media coverage of the situation, nowhere did I offer anything that to even someone with a 6 grade education level could be construed as derogatory of the author. In face, I made a point to state this in the post. Now go back to staring at the screen with your mouth open as you go about rereading whatever it is your little mind is struggling to understand.
FYI, obviously my post was meant to be directed at the genius who felt the need to get internet brave and make a pathetic attempt to shout down my intial comments on the subject.
I concur.
This is making me sick, we need to make sure that we get the other pieces we need for the just in case.
Chris Shelton was just Dfa’d. Go get him right away. He is RH and could be the replacement for Delgado. He has also played (very little of but still) the OF and catcher. He’s still only 27. He did not play last year but his career averages are .281 BA and a .825 OPS, those are by no means bad. Even if we platoon Delgado and Shelton it would be a great pickup.
If not then sign Mench. I think our offense needs a RH hitter still, someone who can platoon with Church/Delgado and play 3+ games a week. Shelton has played a little OF before and could not be any worse than some of our other options.
Bench
Castro, Shelton, Easley, Anderson, Chavez is very balanced. Offensively you have a LH speed guy that can lay down the bunt or come in as a pinch runner in Chavez. Anderson is a LH pinch hitting god. Easley can play many positions and offers a lot of pop against LH. Castro will platoon with Schnieder. This leaves room for that Shelton/Mench type. I would not oppose this spot going to Valentin although it does not help that he is basically a LH hitter. We all like to inflate Gotay’s numbers but he really went down hill as the season went on and his defense is not great for a backup infielder which we already have. My biggest concern for the bench is who plays SS? I guess Easley???
Shelton would be a great acquisition for any team, the question is 1)why didnt he play last year? and 2) why is he on waivers?
Injured, Rangers did not want him to start with.
“I’ve been stabbed, shot, poisoned, frozen, hung, electrocuted, and burned.
…and every morning I wake up without a scratch on me, not a dent in the fender… I am an immortal.”
Such a great movie.
I cant remember what movie that is. What was it again?
Heysus Omar.. just give them F-mart and call it a friggen day…. or better yet… don’t trade F-mart for the best pitcher on the planet, then two years from now, when he’s not Carlos Lee quite yet.. trade him for a platoon OF and a backup catcher!
We don’t even know if adding FMart would even do it right now. The best thing Omar can do is offer our Gomez, Guerra, Mulvey, Humber package and if someone tops it the Twins will call back and then you can put Martinez in if you want.
I disagree.. if the Yanks include Hughes and the other prospects.. I think thats the package the Twins want… ditto for the Sox with Elsbury and Bucholtz….
Why pussy foot around.. just go get the guy….what happened to a win now club?
Why when Milledge is traded for .20 on the dollar we are a win now team.. but when it comes to Johan.. it’s win later??
Then what does Fmart even have to do with it. If the Mets include him and then go back and ask the Yankee’s if they will include Hughes or he is going to the Mets and they say yes then we are out anyway. The Twins will give each team a shot before pulling the last trigger. No need to put Martinez in until the last minute.
Cerrone has been saying all along this is one big poker game… the first team to push their chips into the table wins..
Multiple newspapers have now reported with we include F-mart the Twins would accept our package.. so what do we do? Not include him…
Makes 0 sense if Santana is the guy you want.. any way you slice it.
this is to extrawhitemeat…
do you understand the idea of a trade and bargaining? Omar likely isn’t pussy footing around, hes trying to get the best deal. If he hears that the sox or yanks put a good offere back on the table, then he might say “here is f-mart” but until then…why chance it? What if the sox and yanks both say f it…you could get away with keeping f-mart and getting santana…
They are a win now team, but they want to make a smart trade, if even at all..
There is no way the deal gets done without F-mart.. the Twins will wait and wait and wait for the package they want…
The first team that does it wins…
Even a sleeper team like LA could wake up and be like wow.. we could get Santana with our guys…
There is no way that if the Mets go all in that it will happen right away. The Twins are going to take their time regardless. It might speed things up if we go all in but it by no means promises that we will get Santana or get the best deal.
As for the “Cerrone has been saying all along this is one big poker game… the first team to push their chips into the table wins..” You must have been reading a different blog than I have.
I’m not quoting him exactly.. but I think we can all agree based on these threads that if the Yanks include the Hughes package described above.. the deal would get done very quickly..
Ditto for the Sox and Ellsbury….
It only seems we have a shot if the Sox and Yanks are only in it to keep each other out.. which Cerrone has written MANY times..
And even when the mood is exactly that.. we don’t include a 19 year old kid who could be the next Alex Escoabr…
So there is no way you’re going to convice me that offering the Twins a strong offer isn’t the best way to get Santna here..
We’re running the Barry Zito playbook.. assuming no one else wants the guy… only to loose him in the end.. except this time it’s not Barry Zito.. but the best pitcher in the game today.
I’ll eat my words if Omar gets him without trading F-mart.. but I’d be bet just about anything it aint gonna happen.
We are offering a strong offer to the Twins. Gomez, Mulvey, Guerra, Humber/other prospect for Santana. Enough to were the Twins seem to be going back to the Yankee’s and seeing if they will top that offer.
If they Yankee’s are going to offer Hughes they will not do it until we offer Fmart. I guess you do not see how these negotiations work?
I undertsand your arguement.. and sure it would be great if we could get Santana for that..
But in reality.. it won’t work out that way.. they will just hold him until July if they really have too..
So if we have a window where the Sox and Yanks are out of it.. just go get him… cause if the Sox and Yanks are in it.. no package we put together will be good enough to get him..
Look what the D-backs gave up for Haren.. a Fmart package with those guys is almost the same.. if not a little less… sure Haren is cheaper.. but Johan is obviously more dominant.
The Sox and the Yankees are STILL in it. Just as much as we are. If the Yankees are going to give up Hughes then they are going to do it when we offer FMart. If the Sox are going to include Ellsbury then they will do it when we include Fmart. I still think at this point we have the best offer and the Twins are going back and trying to get the Yankees or Sox to increase their offers. If they do it won’t matter what we do unless Reyes is on the block. If the Twins do wait until July then we will still have the upper hand then as well.
I don’t think we have the best offer.. and I’m not sure even as a Mets fan how you can think that?
Guys like Lester, Bucholtz, and Hughes have already had success in the majors…. some have even stared in the post season.. Lester Game 4.. obviously Ellsbury.. and even Hughes pitched great in relief of the Rocket in the ALDS..
Not one guy in our package has played as well as any of those guys in the majors…
to the realsince86, from what i take from your opinion is that in the end yankees offer hughs and santana definately gos to the yankees?
Ok, for “offers” that have been made…we pretty much have the best offer dude…
The yankees offer was Hughes, Cabrera and i think one or two other prospects… Most places are saying Cabrera is a worse prospect than Gomez which in turn makes him less than Martinez..
The Sox had different offers, ONE around Elsbury, one around Lester I believe…and the rest of the pieces weren’t great…
The post says that the Twins are holding out for the yanks to offer hughes AND Kennedy, and i’ve heard many places say that they want both elsbury and lester or elsbury AND Buchholz/Lester…
At the very least, the offers are very close, Plus add in that we are the NL team that they don’t need to face nearly as often…
I’d say our offer is pretty strong w/o Martinez…
No offense extrawhitemeat, but you need to read things a bit more deeply, not trying to start an e-fight..but…come on now
ha wow.. I read things very deeply.. and also read BA probably more then most people here…
The mets were completely out of it during the winter meets remember?
Only when the Yanks and Sox backed up did we all of a sudden become players again.. the Twins have also said they want ML ready talent in a deal.. which is why we read for so long that they wanted Reyes..
The Sox offered Ellsbury and Lester together.. or Bucholtz and Crisp I believe was the other offer.. and then some other guys Lowrie, etc…
I agree Melky Blows.. but Hughes is a very very strong prospect…
Lester and Elsbury are both ML proven talent… and Bucholtz already has a no hitter on his resume..
So I read things very well thank you very much.. if I’m the Twins.. and the offers are proven ML talent.. or a bunch of un knowns.. I’m taking the proven ML talent.. that’s all I’m saying.
true…difference of opinions i guess…
I consider elsbury proven cause of his postseason, and lester i like..but I don’t think hes great or will be
And Hughes is a strong prospect but I do not think there has been a large enough bit of stats to make assumptions on..
thats why omar and cashmen and smith are GM’s and i’m just a fan…
oh well, either way, I hope this works out for hte Mets!
I have never seen it reported that the Sox offered Bucholtz. In fact most post I have seen show that they don’t want to include Ellsbury and Lester in the same deal.
Who knows if Hughes was every actually offered or not?
I still think the line of thinking is based on current offeres the Mets have the best offer but the Twins really like Hughes and want the Yankees to include him or they really want Ellsbury and Lester.
This is for Captain. I think that the Yankee’s are incredibly hard to judge right now so I have no idea. What I am saying is that if the Yankee’s do offer Hughes then that’s the deal the Twins will take. Without Hughes our offer is stronger than the Yankees but with him I don’t think Fmart would make a difference.
So in a round about way, I don’t think Fmart is even needed either way.
Yes I went back and checked and it was Lester or Ellsbury.. if they included both that would get the deal done…
The Yankees offers did have Hughes in the mix.. with Ian Kennedy being the sticking point.. which I find hard to believe..
Each time also had other prospects in there.. Lowrie.. Martienz, etc