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Jon Heyman at SI.com provides the latest update on the pursuit of Johan Santana.
He cites a person close to the Mets as saying he “seriously doubts” they’ll part with both OF Carlos Gomez and OF Fernando Martinez in a deal for Santana.
Heyman also writes about the differing views around the league regarding the current offers on the table, saying…
“Some execs from other teams say that any Yankee offer that includes Hughes is the best one, while others favor the Red Sox’s package with Lester. But one National league exec said that the Twins would be better off taking the Mets’ offer, assuming Minnesota can accept the idea of a longer-term rebuilding project after losing centerfielder Torii Hunter to free agency. That exec said that Guerra is a potential gem, a kid with tremendous upside.”
…and this, to me, is why it’s taking so long for a deal to be made…they have several unique offers that would each shape their team differently for the next 5-10 years…the near future of the Twins organization is essentially riding on this trade and the front office can’t afford to screw it up…
…they’re taking their time and praying someone steps up with an offer they can’t refuse so that the decision is easy on them, but that doesn’t seem likely…i’m guardedly optimistic about the Mets chances for various reasons, and as much as i just want the santana deal to be done with, regardless of where he goes, i can’t blame the Twins for taking their sweet time…
zzzzzz
“But one National league exec said that the Twins would be better off taking the Mets’ offer, assuming Minnesota can accept the idea of a longer-term rebuilding project after losing centerfielder Torii Hunter to free agency.”
– Omar Minaya?
Lol. This site should be renamed Johanblog.com
More like every baseball site on the internet. Seriously, there is nothing else being talked about anywhere else. What happened to the hot stove?
i say this as a mets fan this hole thing were its taken for ever to get johan is maken me so mad if its not johan its erik bedard to tell you the truth joe blanton is better then kyle lohse i would right now take anyone like a joe blanton or johan or bedard i really don’t want the mets to get lohse or livan or someone stuip omar got a job to do do you job you like donald trumps say YOUR FIRED
It’s easy to get frustrated because we’re merely on the sidelines, observing. There’s nothing we can do effectuate a personnel change (players OR front office).
But to throw your hands in the air and say Omar needs to drop Johan and just get Joe Blanton is foolish. Billy Beane has stated he will likely enter the season with Blanton IN his starting rotation and deal him in July. What that means is no one is satisfying his thirst for prospects. Omar is still in the Johan sweepstakes for 3 reasons…
1. We DESPERATELY need a bonafide ace to secure our starting rotation.
2. To pass on Johan Santana without exploring every avenue is both foolish and irresponsible as a GM.
3. Billy Beane will ask for MORE than Bill Smith is asking for relative to the value of their pitcher. (reports are Beane wasn’t even satisfied with Carlos Gomez, Aaron Heilman AND Kevin Mulvey.)
Santana:Blanton::Piazza:LoDuca
Extremely tedious and frustrating, but I’m glad to hear both Gomez and Martinez won’t go……
WE NEED SANTANA for a few reasons. After the way 2006 and 2007 ended we need to win. It has gotten in this teams head that they fell short due to pitching, if nothing is done to address that issue we will be watching the Phillies get sweept again in the playoffs. Our team has not improved over last season and with Shea coming down and the new stadium openeing in 2008 we need to have a winning team. And prospects dont win games or championships for you. The shoot in the arm that the team and fan base will get with the signing of Sanatana will ensure that we can sign any player that we need. Are these prospects good, yes, are they superstars, who knows, chances are no. I would rather have a WS ring in 2008 than have a good strong farm system for the next 4 years and no ring. MAKE THE DEAL !!!!!
Gee Jon, your new breaking news is that the Mets do not want to give up both Gomez and Martinez, the OF prospects, for Santana? Really, no kidding? Where have you been the last month, vacationing on Mars?
he was actually in europe!
heyman is a moron
If he was in Europe it means he was closer to Omar than anyone else, so maybe he does have some idea….
This is the only place that Santana to the Mets is such a hot topic. It is never happening. Good for blog hits, but a total sham. Minnesota is not taking the Met prospects. The Mets are simply involved to bid up the Yankees and Red Sox. I appreciate Matt’s hard work here, but he is way off on this one. Santana is not coming to the Mets.
As long as the Mets refuse to part with Fernando Martinez, Smith will have Omar’s fax under a stack of W2 forms. I’ve given up on thinking Omar could land Santana. It’s obvious OMAR has given up trying to land Johan because he refuses to give up both Gomez and Martinez!
More and more that’s exactly how I feel.
I meant to what Ron said
the fact remains: santana puts you in the WS this year, maybe next year too. Neither Gomezz or Martinez are going to do that anytime soon.
I agree with you Ron124, I’ve always found it a red flag that I’ve never found the optimistic news of the Mets being frontrunners for Santana on any major news outlet. I know I’m going to get crushed, but I truly believe that even if the Yanks and Sox were out of the picture the Mets would still find a way out of a trade because Wilpon does not want to meet Johan’s contract demands.
Huge historical collapse and what have the Mets done? Signed Matt Wise and traded away one of their most promising young hitters for a mediocre catcher and outfielder. I’ve held my tongue for awhile believing that the Mets would do SOMETHING this off-season, but pitchers and catchers are a month away and nothing has been accomplished, NOTHING.
Suggestions?
Yes… Give up the 5 prospects for Santana.
But I also think it would be foolish to stop there. The rotation of Santana, Pedro, Maine, Perez, and El Duque looks great on paper, but let’s face it, Pedro and El Duque will both get hurt at some point.
We should plan on moving Duque to the pen and bring in Livan Hernandez to be the fifth starter. This will give the rotation far more durability and protect our pen.
I love O-dog and Johnny, but their high pitch counts killed us last year…. Don’t let it happen again.
OK, but Santana hasn’t moved yet. Livan hasn’t signed yet. My point is not that nothing SHOULD be done, rather it is, what has been done so far that the Mets missed out on? This just happens to be a very, very slow offseason. Can’t blame Omar for that.
It’s his job to make it happen! All he has to do is show Livan the dotted line and he would be the best # 5 in baseball.
So he should sign Livan right now, when he still may get Santana and may have no need for Livan? (Santana, Pedro, Maine, Perez, El Duque). Or sign him now when his price is only falling as it gets closer and closer to spring training? Yea, smart moves there.
I love all the junior GM’s on Metsblog who think they know it all just because they won their fantasy league…
Look at today’s Tribune, Ron124 and wolverine193. Joe Christensen says the Mets are frontrunners whether Minny fans like it or not.
ron124, stop blaming Matt for reporting what is out there.
wolverine, why hold your tongue all this time and then lash out right when the Mets seem to be the frontrunners to the best player in baseball? You sound like someone who still believes that Milledge is one of our most promising young hitters.
Both of you should read the Tribune article if Matt doesn’t post it, which is what he has ben doing — reporting what other sources have printed.
They’re killing me, Morty… Killing me!
More of the same…which is nothing. Nothing new and nothing we have not read before either here or somewhere else.
I am so bored with this whole Santana thing. 5 prospects and 160 million dollar contract. He’s not worth it.
I’d rather have Gomez and Martinez in the Mets outfield in 2009. I couldn’t really care less about the other guys “rumored” in the package.
Matt is relaying what Jon Heyman said, I think its great to keep getting updates since many times the teams talk to each other through the media and I think this has been the case the last two months. on this potential Santana deal.
I do however, believe that Heyman is probably right and Omar is not going to include both Gomez and FMart in the deal together. We are starting to hear that a lot the last two days.
That is a tragic mistake since I still think we can get Santana if he would do that. So he basically pass on this deal because of a 19 year old great talented PROSPECT who won’t be able to help this team win anything for another three years.
Santana will slip slide away and so will the next two years since if Omar can’t pull the trigger now he won’t do it next year either. Pedro won’t last forever and neither will El Duque.
Slip sliding away………….slip sliding away……………..away!
Omar is playing his hand. Yankees doing the same with Kennedy and Sox by saying what they “wont” do. Then eventually one team does what Twins “want” (which really is less than what they want but since the Mets drew a line last week on including F-Mart, including him now is sort of a win for Smith), and it happens. If Omar offered F-Mart now like everyone wants, that would be the deal the Twins would be comparing to the others and they would want something else to put it over the top. It’s a game where drawing the line had to be made and that’s where Omar put it. Now we wait out Smith and as time goes by the Yankees and Sox and Mets will eventually either get their way or be asked one last time to “give in”. Neither has happened yet.
FIRST; Im glad to see rumblings that Omar doesnt want to package Gomez and FMart both in the same deal.
That’s encouraging to me. If you really project FMart to have 30+ HR potential then you really need to hold onto him.
SECONDLY: I’m also glad to see that Livan Hernandez’s name is being mentioned by a few of the posters here. I personally think picking him up and perhaps dotel would be enough to start the season nicely with.
Omar has built the outfield with good depth and with Valentin potentially here as well I assume Damien Easley can spell Delgado as backup and no other real other moves are needed - just go into the spring training with that and take your chances.
Stay in the hunt until the All Star break and if you need more starting pitching (or another relief arm) then deal with it then.
It’s a double edged sword.
You maybe right, in the sense, our prospects might finally start blossoming. Were that to happen their stock would skyrocket and GMs will feel foolish for passing on them now.
But you also have to consider the fact, our prospects might fizzle even further LOWERING their stock even further revisiting the scenario we just saw with Lastings Milledge.
Another thing to consider. The trade market could flip back to a buyer’s market or even further entrench itself into a buyer’s market. For example, if the Twins are in contention of the AL Central, Smith will be hard-pressed by Twins fans to deal him mid-season. Similarly, teams like the Indians, Brewers and others could re-up on Sabathia, Sheets, etc to long-term extensions or if they’re having great seasons, demand even MORE than Smith is now demanding for Johan.
The future is arbitrary. In no way can you say one alternative is better than the other…
So here is what we know:
1 Yankees are only in it to drive up price for the Red Sox
2 Red Sox are only in it to drive up price for the Yankees
3 Mets are only in it to drive up price for BOTH the Yankees and Red Sox!!
Well, it’s NOT working!! Every offer is basically still the same.
I don’t see it that was at all. I think all three teams are grossly underestimating Minnesota’s desperation and think that they will eventually cave and settle for less.
It’s not going to happen. Somebody will flinch. Somebody will throw in something just to get a deal done, then look out.
The differnce in opinions is really if the mets should gamble next year with what they got and mabea livan or sell the farm. im very torn.
For crying out loud, Omar, just add Alex Ochoa, ….I mean FMart to the package and get this thing done already!
Except that doesn’t make it happen, it only makes the price go up for us. Without F-Mart we have the best deal according to the Tribune. If Smith balks we can add F-Mart to make it even more so. Even with F-Mart he prefers Hughes so it’s pointless to throw him in now since Smith is waiting on that anyway.
I know this is going to sound vendictive, but after 10 weeks of this crap I’m so damn annoyed at this point, I just don’t care.
I hope the Twins don’t trade Santana and he suffers an injury that not only destroys the Twins chances of trading him, but also reduces Santana’s free agent market value to next to nothing.
Okay, you can say it. I’m a horrible person.
In this scenario:
1. The Twins get nothing for holding out in the idiotic manner that they have. No major league ready players, no blue chip can’t miss prospects, no compensatory trade picks.
2. Santana gets nothing for being greedy (he did refuse an $80m deal with the Twins) and not pushy enough (all he had to do was go to the Twins and say, “it’s the Mets and it’s now.”
3. The Mets don’t get fleeced.
meant compensatory draft picks…
i’m so damned angry at this situation, i can’t even type.
i’m soooo damn over this garbage.
I am frustrated too Chucky, but give it a couple of weeks, he’ll be with the Mets…….
argh…
bedtime…where i am certain to dream of a certain lefty walking to the mound for the mets on opening day.
god, i’m pathetic.
And we’ll all be back here same time tommow - just in case some kind of real developement has happened.
Hmmm, not sure it is greedy to turn down $80mil when you can get $140mil and play in New York or Boston instead of Minnesota.
Taking into account the cost of living, what is $80M in Minnesota in comparison to $140M in the Northeast?
Also, take into account you’re on a competitive team, have to deal with less aggravation, stress and press . . . Minnesota may be the better place to be. It’s not like you’re there in the winter, you can winter the offseason where ever you want and Spring Training is in Florida (or Arizona).
I know that the rush of New York / Boston is higher, but the crash sucks to. I mean the booing some of us Met fans give to OUR players is kinda silly at times, why deal with that?
Holy sheeet! Either trade him keep him or shoot him in the head. At this point I don’t care.
the wild card is that johan signs with the twins for 4yr 80 mil or maybe the twins go up to the 5 year 95-100 mill range. Santana might feel like he cant get the 7 year deal anymore. That would be a huge tease. Any thoughts?
see my thoughts a few posts above, where i have clearly turned my anger and frustration toward johan himself. if he signs with the twins and all this talk for months goes for naught…well, you know what i think.
Actually, I’ve been thinking that exact thing every other day from almost from the begining.
Smith has always said resigning Santana would be his fist choice and Santana has always said he would like to stay in Minnesota. None of the big money teams seem to anxious to throw the big buck long term deal down. Suddenly, 4 years and 80 million dollars doesn’t seem so unrealistic.
I’m wondering if the whole point of all these potential trades was to drive Santana’s price down.
Don’t worry, before you know it it’ll be Spring and we’ll have Scott Schoenweis pitching in a big spot to a Righty, Willie’s smug answers after the game and David Wright’s golly shucks quote of the week!
Hang tight! Almost there.
I think that’s one of the better estimations I’ve heard about this situation. These are all nice packages, but none are so good that its an absolute can’t miss. They’re close but not quite there. At least one or two will probably look that way in hindsight, but the others might be busts.
There are no guarantees anywhere. Phil Hughes is the single best bet to be a stud, but he comes with the weakest package otherwise.
The Red Sox offer is a combination of some security and some upside. Lester’s a pretty safe bet to have some success, but his upside isn’t as high as Phil Hughes. If his growth continues to go slightly on the better side of average, he’ll probably grow into a solid #2/excellent #3 type starter. Ellsbury is a similar type of gamble. All Lowrie has to do to join the same category is show he can continue to hit in the majors. But that’s not a given, and there are some questions about his ability at SS.
The Mets are offering very little immediate security. But they’re also offering up two blue chip-mega upside prospects and two good prospects. The blue chipper’s ceilings aren’t even in sight yet, and while most agree that’s partly because its incredibly high, its also partly because they’re still somewhat raw. There’s a good chance this is going to be the lowest anyone’s going to get to buy Gomez for a long, long time. If he has a nice, healthy season spent mostly in the minors he’s primed to to see a sharp rise in his value. If he starts hitting for any power and/or a little more average, forget it, he’d be untouchable with his speed and athleticism. Objectively, I think he’s as valuable as F-Mart. Its just that five-tool types are traditionally not valued quite as highly as pure hitters as they’re developing. I think its less certain with pitchers so young as Guerra, but the potential seems pretty high.
An aggressive GM looking to rebuild with a plan for a season or two down the road should probably take the Mets package most seriously, maybe try and squeeze a bit more out of it. This is the path the A’s and Marlins chose. They’ll have almost zero shot at competing in the next few years, but if things go well you could develop multiple franchise players.
A conservative GM looking to rebuild piece by piece as he goes should probably favor the Red Sox package. You get a nice little set of needs filled there and establish a nice little section of a core. But your the least likely to wind up with a superstud type franchise player. There’s a chance you could compete in 2008, but unless the pitching staff really pans out quick its still unlikely.
A GM looking to compete in 2008 should probably go with Phil Hughes. Its not likely for anyone, but he has the best shot of genuinely replacing Santana in the next 1-3 years.
If Bill Smith truly believes these three offers are all standing, he has all the time in the world…at least until ST starts.
The Twins can take their time all they want trying to figure out which deal they like best but, in the end, Santana holds all the cards to the Twins future as he’s holding “the joker;” the full no-trade clause. So, if he only wants to go to the NL and play for the Mets, it seems that that will be what directs the Twins to any particular deal . . . unless he’s told them he doesn’t care which team he goes to, which I would find hard to believe.
If he could really dictate where he goes then by all reports he would be on the Mets already. That is if the reports are really true. Does he really prefer the Mets or not? And would he want to be “that player” who forces the Twins to take a “bad” deal so he goes where he wants? Can he really make them do a deal with a certain team? Not really. He can only block a trade to a certain team. The Twins can just say screw you and keep him for the entire year and he risks an injury and his big contract. He would rather get his guaranteed big money now and know where he will be for the next 6 to 7 years then wait and risk it all. So do the Twins have the “joker” card as you call it or does Santana? Who knows. I just think if he wanted to be a Met and had the power to make it happen it would have happened by now. Its not like we are offering garbage.
I wish the Mets could discretly have an “outsider” reach out to Santana and say listen Johan, put a little pressure on the Twins and tell them you want to be a Met. We can give you the contract you want and the NL pitchers park you want. Maybe it would speed things up a bit. My fear is the Wilpons really dont want him because of the boatload of money he will cost. This better not be the case or I am done with them.
ah…that’s called tampering and it’s illegal.
I still say Santana’s holding the joker card. If Santana invokes his no-trade and plays out the year, the Twins risk getting nothing from him. And as for Santana getting hurt, I would think he’s insured, and if he isn’t, who said he has to go 110%. Or maybe he’ll sit out? Then what do the Twins do? Dock him pay? I don’t think Santana would care. He can wait the Twins out and still sign a very lucrative FA contact the in ‘09 with the team of his choice.
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OMAR!!! PULL THE TRIGGER!!!!…………………………. just kill me now
The METS won’t get Santana for a loaf of bread.
Wilpon’s dont want to pay him
It’s that simple.
1. Last year of Shea, will have over 3 million with-out Santana
2. Citi Field Sold out at least till 2011
After 2011 season you will see more high priced Free Agents.
BUSINESS IS ABOUT MAKING MONEY. NO ONE DOES IT BETTER THEN JEFFERY AND FRED. WELL MAYBE GEORGE.
it goes red sox, mets, then the rest in profit margins. the yankees almost always lose money.
While the addition of Johan Santana to the Mets’ staff would make their 2008 pitching rotation among the best in baseball, we have to consider the effect of trading away our best prospects for one player, who will then have to be signed to at least a six year contract worth at least $120 million.
Yes, Johan Santana is currently the best pitcher in baseball, with a resume over the past four years comparable to any starters’ four year stretch in recent memory. But this is not just a matter of making the most expensive pitcher’s contract in history. It is the complete destruction of our farm system. As true Met fans we should not let what happened this past season cloud our judgement. We all want to see the 2008 Mets dominate, especially over the Phillies, whose foolish arrogance ought to be corrected.
However, this season’s success should not be contingent on trading away some truly special players.
Carlos Gomez and Fernando Martinez both will be VERY special players. The pitching prospects will not be as good as Santana, ever. But does that mean we should throw away several pitchers who could make effective contributions this season, as well as certain future stars in the outfield, for a player who will add at least $20 million for the next six season?
Although Pedro Martinez may not replace Tom Glavine’s 200 innings that we’ve all heard are gone, he will give at least 160 innings of efficiency. John Maine had a 2.71 ERA up until the All Star Break, is a known big-game pitcher (Marlins Sept 29 ‘07, beating Cy-Young Winner C. Carpenter in Game 6 NLCS ‘06) and in my opinion will have a similar season to Erik Bedard’s last year. Oliver Perez will overcome inconsistency in his contract year for Scott Boras. Yes, El Duque will inevitably injure himself, and cannot be counted on for more than 140 innings of decent pitching. At the five spot we have Pelfrey, whose production at this point in his career is markedly similar to Dan Haren’s at this point in time. We also have Philip Humber, in his second year post Tommy John surgery, the year when pitchers recovering from this surgery typically do very well. I know i was disappointed by his production at New Orleans, but he and his curveball cannot be overlooked. Then there is Kevin Mulvey, who should definitely start next season if not this year in the big leagues.
So while Johan Santana would probably make the Mets the favorite from the national league to win the pennant, we have to consider at what cost is he worth being brought over. Future outfield stars in Gomez/Martinez? Humber and Mulvey? Guerra, an eighteen-year old with unlimited potential?
The Twins have had a history of fleecing teams with these types of trades, and the Mets have had a history of being fleeced. Remember A.J. Pierzynski to the Giants for Joe Nathan, Boof Bonser and Francisco Liriano? Or the Twins’ trade of Eric Milton to Philadelphia for Carlos Silva and Nick Punto? For the Mets, there is the notorious trade of Scott Kazmir (who could be our ace this season) and Joselo Diaz, for Victor Zambrano and Bartolome Fortunato.
I understand how good this team would be with Santana, but I also know how much our farm system could make a difference in the near future, albeit at a much lower cost.
. . . and so you want the Mets to do . . . what?
Seriously, were you just smoking a doobie?
I’ve got to say even though he has the rose colored glasses on …what he says could possibly play out. These guys could all potentially have much higher individual value down the road either to us or to the league in a trade. Take Humber as an example. Even though he had the most K’s in his league and the lowest WHIP number in his league last year…lets say he comes out this year and through the first 15 stats at AAA, he is 9-2 with a 3.25 era and 1.25 WHIIP in that hitters league.
What do you suppose his value will be then…either to us or to the league. Same for both Mulvey and Pelfrey if either or both are in AAA.
As to Guerra and FMART…they may be the gems of the system but trading them when they have had such little experience and such little impact would be akin to trading Milledge when we did. You can not trade when the value of the player on the market does not match your own value expectation of the player as they progress.
If Guerra starts popping at 96 mph consistently this year and throws strikes as a 19 yr old in high a and then spends some time mowing down guys in AA before the year ends….he value would be threw the roof. The reason he is not there yet with his value is it is unclear if he will get there and he is just 18 last season with no real track record.
Point is this…FMart and Guerra alone add almost no value to the deal. Trading them before they develop more is just plain stupid. At minimum…let em develop if your goal is to move them for pitching. Even the all star break may provide enough time to get their value sufficiently high enough that it could be just Guerra and Fmart for Santana rather than all the other chips as well.
I say hold on to the youngest ones for sure. Over load them with talent elsewhere (Rustich, Kunz, vineyard, Niese, etc)
I’ve just lost all patience and want something decided. Something done. If no Santana then maybe try Bedard. If no Bedard then maybe Ian Snell. Gomez, Pelfrey, Humber, and Mulvey for Snell and Jason Bay. Now that would be an ausome deal! Snell can be potential ace if not great #2 starter and Bay can regain his all star form in our OF because of change of scenery and better bats around him. Wouldnt mind that plan B. With that deal we keep F-Mart, and Guerra who I think are our best position and pitcher prospects respectively anyway.
I like that deal too. Get Omar on the line and fill him in! Where would Bey play? Can he play first base????????
No he would play in the OF. But I guess he could be our firstbaseman after Delgado is gone. I really think the Pirates would have to consider that offer. 4 very good prospects for a stuud pitcher and a declining numbers OF with a contract that is an albatross on their neck. Makes sense for both clubs in my opinion.
I thought of getting bay before, but it will not happen. The Indians tried to get him with their best catching prospect, and were flat out rejected, so were the white sox’s, It is my understanding that the pirates want the world for bay. They are not willing to sell low on him, because that makes no sense for them. One problem with gomez is that many scouts are staring to doubt his offensive potential. He is 22 remember, he is going to be the same age as troy tulowitzki was last year, Gomez needs to step up, he is not a kid anymore. The deal you posted above might get bay, but thats not even a given. But if you want Snell with bay then you have to give up the farm and probably still would not be enough. The problem is the mets have 2 prospects that panned out (reyes and wright) and they are not going to trade them. No one else is major league ready. It is going to be hard for Omar to make a deal. Free agents have been terrible the last couple of years, and thats why guys like hunter get 18 mill. Teams don’t trade players that easily. Many mets fan attack management, but they don’t understand how hard it is to make a trade. This isn’t your fantasy league.
Ouch! Sorry, just trying to come up with some ideas on improving the club. Just a thought.
haha sorry, that came out a bit harsh
Test post
Ho hum more of the same
I suspect the Mets are reluctant to make this trade for a different reason than most people are referencing. Let us remember something. Three of the prospects being discussed are international signings (arguably the three best prospects being offered in our package). Fernando Martinez and Deolis Guerra were the best at their respective positions the year they were signed. What makes the Int’l market so interesting is that these players can sign with any team they like. Many choose the Mets because of the strong presence of hispanic players in recent years, most notably Pedro Martinez, Carlos Beltran and Jose Reyes who are all idolized and the fact that New York has large hispanic enclaves. It is in this market that Omar has made us a power. I suspect that if Omar starts shipping these guys off to places like Minnesota then he will burn bridges in the international market.
The acquisition of Johan Santana could come at the cost of our minor league system, $150+ million, and our ability to attract the best international amatuers. Ask yourselves (seriously) is this worth it??
Very interesting take regarding the International Market.
I’m torn. I would love Santana (who wouldn’t) but am concerned about moving the farm for him. We can’t move BOTH Gomez and FMart, that’s silly. Not that FMart would fill in for an injured Alou this year but he’s a long term replacement. I think we’ll have to sign another OF anyway because if Gomez does go, we’ll need another body aside from Chavez out there. I still like adding Wilkerson for competition. Maybe we try to pull Gomez out of the deal and replace him with Church? I remember reading a while ago the Twins preferred Church to Milledge, which may have been the point of the deal.
FMart, Church, Mulvey, Humber is intriguing
We keep our OF replacement who could blossom this year and sent major league ready talent to the Twins for both the outfield and pitching. Perhaps Gotay sweetens the deal as we have a glut of 2b (but then who subs at SS?, hmmm)
We keep Pelfrey, which I like because we’ll need his arm at least as a fill in sometime during the season and we keep Guerra who is the bright light on the horizon. As noted above to trade Guerra and FMart now, before they’ve really cemented themselves would be foolish because in all likelyhood we’d be selling them under value. Trading one though, is worth the risk for Santana.
We can sign Wilkerson to replace Church keeping Gomez in the wings to come up later this summer, Pelfrey is either in the rotation or an injury call up.
test, test
Omar. Please commence with PLAN B.
This Santana thing is getting creepy.
Maybe if you make a move the log jam with break….
Invest in OP
I’m still against this trade but I’m not sure I understand why Martinez is untouchable but Guerra isn’t. I think between the two I’d rather keep Guerra and send Martinez.
Add Aaron Heilman and make this deal a gem.
Screw Santana and Screw Bill Smith. Tired of watching this same soap opera since November already. If Smith wants to screw himself and keep Santana this season for the one draft pick he gets when Santana signs elsewhere instead of a multiplayer package from one of the three teams, let him. Dude is really in no position to try and leverage anybody. The packages are out there, Smitty and they ain’t getting better. PICK ONE.
I am so glad that we are able to start our day with the Same old nothing changed crap as every other day.
Thanks for being on the cutting edge Matt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yo totally. My friend who sews the names on the Mets uniforms told me that he was asked to make a Santana jersey last night.
It’s done, yo!
I am sure if you had a source you would be blogging on this website…plus, if a deal was in place, don’t you think it would of been reported by now?
WE ARE NOT GETTING SANTANA
……..riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
True, but thats a pretty bold comment…I hope you are right..i just dont see it happening
Not saying this isn’t true. Just saying I don’t believe that you have a source telling you it’s already been agreed upon. If it was, someone else would have it, and you wouldn’t.