Comments on: Read: Pelfey in the Pen http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:10:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Nate W. http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-81168 Nate W. Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:39:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-81168 it is an interesting factor that the Mets developled both Heilman and Isringhausen who are two of the better relievers in the game, maybe that somehow factors into thier thinking. either way it makes less and less sense for Pelfrey to be moved to the pen as Lieber and others sign elsewhere. Eventually there will be no options but to go with Pelfrey as the 5th starter. it is an interesting factor that the Mets developled both Heilman and Isringhausen who are two of the better relievers in the game, maybe that somehow factors into thier thinking.

either way it makes less and less sense for Pelfrey to be moved to the pen as Lieber and others sign elsewhere. Eventually there will be no options but to go with Pelfrey as the 5th starter.

]]> By: craigswandive http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-81083 craigswandive Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:58:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-81083 I have been saying this from the day Pelf first came up. His stuff *screams* bullpen. He doesn't have a good "2" pitch, but he has a great sinking fastball. The Mets were lucky to snag Wagner off the FA market and even at that, he has an awful habit of getting a "dead arm" in late Aug/early Sept of *every* single year. We need to start grooming a successor. Pelf would be a perfect fit. Imagine if we had a great closer, entering his prime?? It's been years since we had a plus closer who wasn't in the decline of his career. I have been saying this from the day Pelf first came up. His stuff *screams* bullpen. He doesn’t have a good “2″ pitch, but he has a great sinking fastball. The Mets were lucky to snag Wagner off the FA market and even at that, he has an awful habit of getting a “dead arm” in late Aug/early Sept of *every* single year.

We need to start grooming a successor. Pelf would be a perfect fit. Imagine if we had a great closer, entering his prime?? It’s been years since we had a plus closer who wasn’t in the decline of his career.

]]> By: krumbledkookie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80982 krumbledkookie Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:03:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80982 First off, there is no guarantee that Sanchez is ready when we want him to be, Second, neither Stokes nor Register are guaranteed spots. Third, who is this Show character? Whoever he is, I can't imagine he's guaranteed a spot. I think Sosa will have to prove himself to get a spot. And don't forget Joe Smith (and others) will be in competition as well. First off, there is no guarantee that Sanchez is ready when we want him to be,

Second, neither Stokes nor Register are guaranteed spots.

Third, who is this Show character? Whoever he is, I can’t imagine he’s guaranteed a spot.

I think Sosa will have to prove himself to get a spot.

And don’t forget Joe Smith (and others) will be in competition as well.

]]> By: krumbledkookie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80980 krumbledkookie Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:59:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80980 Please lets not forget that with the state of pitching as it currently is in baseball, a good middle reliever is a very valuable commodity. How many are there that are consistently successful? The Mets have two that have been very good in that role - Heilman and Feliciano. It only helps to have more, and if Pelfrey doesn't make it as a starter but winds up in the pen, lets not call it a complete disappointment. Please lets not forget that with the state of pitching as it currently is in baseball, a good middle reliever is a very valuable commodity. How many are there that are consistently successful? The Mets have two that have been very good in that role – Heilman and Feliciano. It only helps to have more, and if Pelfrey doesn’t make it as a starter but winds up in the pen, lets not call it a complete disappointment.

]]> By: Go Bro http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80971 Go Bro Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:54:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80971 Pelfrey had a great game last year in Septemberf but he STUNK in most of the rest of his starts. Everyone has to decide if the Mets can afford his "development" next year in the 5 spot. That would mean :Pedro; Main; Oliver; El Duque and Pelfry. The same thing will happen that happened last year. The kid has to learn a good change up and be able to throw it for strikes. Tough to do that when you are in a New York pennant race. The bull pen would be good with daily supervision on the change up development but another year in Triple A would be better. Of course it would be even better if ElDuque was the #5 with Santana as the #one. I know "give it up" you will say. If we have to lose Santana, then lets not piss away any more money on a Louse and go with these wonderful prospects that we have to patiently develop in the middle of a New York "booing" pennant race. Tough to develop when you are being booed. The veatrans can handle it, not the kids. I felt real bad for Smith last year. He was fantastic in the first half last year and looked shell shocked by the end of the year. If Willie over exposes Pelfry next year out of the pen without a good changeup .......jits going to be ugly. Tough decisions........Damn the Twinkies. Pelfrey had a great game last year in Septemberf but he STUNK in most of the rest of his starts. Everyone has to decide if the Mets can afford his “development” next year in the 5 spot. That would mean :Pedro; Main; Oliver; El Duque and Pelfry. The same thing will happen that happened last year. The kid has to learn a good change up and be able to throw it for strikes. Tough to do that when you are in a New York pennant race. The bull pen would be good with daily supervision on the change up development but another year in Triple A would be better.
Of course it would be even better if ElDuque was the #5 with Santana as the #one.
I know “give it up” you will say. If we have to lose Santana, then lets not piss away any more money on a Louse and go with these wonderful prospects that we have to patiently develop in the middle of a New York “booing” pennant race. Tough to develop when you are being booed. The veatrans can handle it, not the kids. I felt real bad for Smith last year. He was fantastic in the first half last year and looked shell shocked by the end of the year. If Willie over exposes Pelfry next year out of the pen without a good changeup …….jits going to be ugly.
Tough decisions……..Damn the Twinkies.

]]> By: the clap http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80965 the clap Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:43:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80965 Twice in their history, the Mets had a nice run where they were the primo starting pitching organization on the planet as far as drafting, developing and ultimately delivering a finished product on the MLB level. Everyone Mets fan of every decade and generation has been indoctrinated with the "dominant pitching first" mantra, and we've all been brainwashed with "Shea is a pitcher's park." But since Wilpon took over the Mets, it's been a disaster as far as drafting, developing and delivering (anyone, but especially pitchers). I can't think of a single Mets blue chip starting arm that hasn't broken off or been given up on and shipped out too early in the past 25 years (except Bobby Jones whose back broke down in a few years anyway). The Mets were starting to target Kazmir as a reliever (ironically also using Billy Wagner as the example to follow) before shipping him out. They may or may not be thinking of doing the same with Pelfrey. Maybe they are, but I'd love to see him let go and allowed to gun it as a fastball first starter first, then make adjustments off that. Certainly making him a mouthguard gnashing off-speed groundball pitcher has only been an experiment in strangeness. Twice in their history, the Mets had a nice run where they were the primo starting pitching organization on the planet as far as drafting, developing and ultimately delivering a finished product on the MLB level.

Everyone Mets fan of every decade and generation has been indoctrinated with the “dominant pitching first” mantra, and we’ve all been brainwashed with “Shea is a pitcher’s park.”

But since Wilpon took over the Mets, it’s been a disaster as far as drafting, developing and delivering (anyone, but especially pitchers). I can’t think of a single Mets blue chip starting arm that hasn’t broken off or been given up on and shipped out too early in the past 25 years (except Bobby Jones whose back broke down in a few years anyway).

The Mets were starting to target Kazmir as a reliever (ironically also using Billy Wagner as the example to follow) before shipping him out. They may or may not be thinking of doing the same with Pelfrey. Maybe they are, but I’d love to see him let go and allowed to gun it as a fastball first starter first, then make adjustments off that. Certainly making him a mouthguard gnashing off-speed groundball pitcher has only been an experiment in strangeness.

]]> By: astoriametsfan72 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80963 astoriametsfan72 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:42:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80963 Tom Glavine was AWFUL his first 2 seasons Tom Glavine was AWFUL his first 2 seasons

]]> By: astoriametsfan72 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80961 astoriametsfan72 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:41:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80961 he was dominating. his slider made chipper and mccann look foolish. And he was throwing 95+ mph gas with his four seamer up in the zone. They couldn't catch up with that. He has the potential and stuff to be the ace of the staff. He needs more experience to gain confidence in himself and his stuff. If you go to Mets.com and look at video of him there you can see how dominating he was that day. That is what he could potentially be. he was dominating. his slider made chipper and mccann look foolish. And he was throwing 95+ mph gas with his four seamer up in the zone. They couldn’t catch up with that. He has the potential and stuff to be the ace of the staff. He needs more experience to gain confidence in himself and his stuff.

If you go to Mets.com and look at video of him there you can see how dominating he was that day. That is what he could potentially be.

]]> By: kandiman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80960 kandiman Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:40:55 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80960 Does anybody here realize that moving him to the Pen is not even really an option. We have like 10 guys for 7 spots as it stands right now. Most of which are on Major league deals 1.Wagner 2.heilman 3. sanchez 4. show 5. wise 6. sosa 7. feliciano 8. register 9. stokes and a few other guys who will be competing for spots in ST Does anybody here realize that moving him to the Pen is not even really an option. We have like 10 guys for 7 spots as it stands right now. Most of which are on Major league deals

1.Wagner
2.heilman
3. sanchez
4. show
5. wise
6. sosa
7. feliciano
8. register
9. stokes

and a few other guys who will be competing for spots in ST

]]> By: krumbledkookie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80957 krumbledkookie Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:33:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/16/read-pelfey-in-the-pen/#comment-80957 Have you watched him pitch, when he's on? His stuff is just as good as any of those guys. The problem is entirely in his head. Have you watched him pitch, when he’s on? His stuff is just as good as any of those guys. The problem is entirely in his head.

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