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In a Sunday notebook for the Star-Tribune, Charley Walters writes…
“The Twins say they’re not panicking while holding out for the best deal for Johan Santana. But word within baseball circles is that offers by the New York Yankees (no more Phil Hughes) and Boston Red Sox are diminishing by the week.
“Best bet now for a trade of the two-time Cy Young Award winner appears to be with the New York Mets in a deal that would not include fast-rising hitter Fernando Martinez.”
…the word within baseball circles…priceless…i love it…
…anyway, i know there are some fans who feel the Mets should just give up martinez, so to be done with this madness and guarantee santana comes to queens…but, if the Yankees and Red Sox are ‘diminishing by the week,’ as walters writes, and as multiple reports have suggested over the last week or so, then why should the Mets part with one penny more than they should…
…as i said several days ago, this is going to come down to santana - and whether he is or will put pressure on the Twins to a) trade him sooner than later, and b), and more specifically, trade him to the Mets…if he does that, then the Mets have a lot of leverage, and should hang tight to fernando…
…however, if santana sits on the sideline, and the Yankees and Red Sox keep a toe in the water, then fernando’s name will and should continue to be mentioned…
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Be patient, its not like there are a ton of options out there that are being taken by other teams. Livan, Colon, Loshe have not signed so there is a way backup plan. I would also guess that other SP are not being traded while waiting on Santana. So that being said I understand that ST is drawing near there is still plenty of time.
“this is going to come down to santana - and whether he is or will put pressure on the Twins ”
I don’t understand this Cerrone. How does Santana have any leverage to pressure the twins? He is just and employee. If he says “Trade me to the mets, today” The twins can simple just say “No”
True if the Twins say no he can’t really tank the season because it is a walk year but he can also Veto any trade so it would be better for them to trade him to the place he wants to or else they get nothing out of him except 2 draft picks.
I believe Santana has a no trade clause which he has to waive. There are conflicting reports saying that he will not waive the no-trade clause while in-season. If he truly says he won’t waive it in season, the Twins have to deal him before the season starts, or they get nothing but 2 draft picks for him.
This is what I believe Cerrone is referring to. If Santana says he won’t waive the no-trade clause during the season, the Twins have to act.
YAWN….i just got up and feel i have read this same bs like a zillion times….i do hope we get him but REALLY…and please this backup plan mentioned previoulsly sounds horrible….if we dont get him let the kids pitch….(or start heilman)…
Yeah, no kidding. I’ll believe this when it happens, otherwise its the same junk over and over and over and over again everyday.
I, for one, appreciate the updates.
It’s only the “same junk” if you are being impatient and unreasonable about reality.
I know a trade like this could take a lot of time, but its the exact same report everyday. “Mets have best offer”, “Mets may have best offer”, etc. etc. etc.
I appreciate the updates as well, after all this is a “mets blog.” Matt is doing a great job……. but it is the same (fill in word) every day…….
agreed, the updates have actually evolved quite significantly and I’m enjoying the saga ..
Here here! Keep it up, Matt. Great work.
But if we didn’t get a million updates, and got none instead, then the idea of getting Santana would be a mere dream, when in reality, it’s very possible.
We know that they will not start Heilman, they could have before and did not. There is no reason to think they will now.
On to the “let the kids pitch”. If it were just the #5 spot I would be inclined to agree, however, with Pedro and Elduque in the rotation I think we need to sign one consistant #5 that we know will give us innings at average numbers. If we can get Colon, Loshe, Livan type on a 1 year deal then I think you have to do it.
Forget about colon his shoulder is fried according to the Mri the Mets had done on him and neither of the other two will sign a 1 year deal. The mets already offered Lohse a multi year deal why would he settle for a 1 year deal now. Dont you people read? I would rather have Mulvey pitch all season then sign Livan Hernandez..
If we offered Loshe a multiyear deal it was for peanuts or he would have signed already. DO you believe everything you read?
Also, if you brought up Mulvey this soon and he was not ready you could really damage his career. Sign Livan and then you get to wait a year.
If Santana’s stock is diminishing by the minute, why won’t the Twins make a deal now. With the fans having influence in their decision, the fans don’t like any of the offers so whats the holdup. It’s basically a stalemate and they know exactly the packages their receiving from the teams. SO TRADE HIM TO THE METS NOWWWW
I doubt his value is dropping each day (or at all). Really, the pressure is on the Mets, not the Twins. The Mets desperately need a pitcher like Santana … the Twins have several suitors for Johan. As the Spring draws closer and closer, Omar may be forced more and more into a corner. This is the game the Twins are playing … it’s like a game of chicken.
Omar is not going to be forced into a corner because he knows that there are not many teams that can get Santana and his team will be competitive without him. You really think we can’t get a mid rotation starter as a backup plan?
Mets do not need need Johan to compete in the mediocrity that is the NL East. They could be competititve without him. Johan would just make things a little easier.
I fail to see how the Mets are the ones in a corner when the Twins GM risks getting just one draft pick for a guy who most likely will leave the team at the end of the year, instead of a package of multiple players like the Mets, Yankees or Sox are offering. Smith is just going to wind up screwing himself if Santana sticks to his word about not waiving the no trade clause during the season.
We will compete for the NL east w/o Johan u are correct - but w/ him we will win the division - and Im a fan of the Mets and a fan of the 08′ NL East being more of a sure thing for us…I think Omar is playing this 1 well and trying to obtain the stud ace while holding on to as many chips as possible - BUT my life has become clicking the refresh button on all MLB sites waiting for the “THIS JUST IN UPDATE” METS GET SANTANA - sooner than later PLEASE
But it’s not just against the NL East that we want to compete. While it is somewhat true that just about anything can happen once you get to the playoffs, it’s best to leave as little to chance as possible. The Sox are a might tougher than the Phills (and I ain’t worried about Crede).
The pressure is not on the Mets. The mets do not desperately need a pitcher like Santana, where do you come up with a statement like that, Its pure propaganda. The twins are the team thats going to lose santana with the chance of getting very little in return as Santana has a full no trade clause and has stated he will NOT waive his no trade clause during the season. Dont let the facts get in the way of your thinking and posting to this site.
I believe there is presure on the Mets, but it is less than the pressure on the Twins.
It is a game of chicken that, given the stakes, the Mets will ultimately win. The Mets can wait until ST for a trade. It the Twins wait until ST the package, from anyone, will plummet more than today’s Dow.
The only thing that will prevent a Johann trade is greed on the part of the Mets.
It would be great if they didn’t have to trade away Martinez. The only thing that worries me is what options the Mets will have left if they are unable to acquire Santana. If the Twins are running out of options then the Mets should put some pressure on them to make a decision soon.
I agree…When I fantasize that the deal had gone thru, the only player I would ever think twice about was FMart…Thats not to say he is or should be a deal breaker, but I would like the deal so much better if we retained Fernando, and I’m sure most fans would as well
just wait til the deadline, maybe oli or john will step up and be THAT guy this year, or maybe even pedro… should try to hold out hope that we can get him for a draft pick one year away…
Hopefully Pedro does have a healthy, full, PEDROESQUE SEASON, hopefully Maine does have a full season this year like his first half of last year - hopefully Oli can find some consistency to go along w/ his filthy stuff - but let them all do that in a rotation behind JOHAN SANTANA - JOHAN OR BUST….
Hear, hear!
The last mile is always the hardest in every negotiation.
With the realization that came out recently…that Heilman is not a free agent until after the 2011 season….we should consider him in the trade and consider him extremely valuable.
For a team like the twins, Heilman has to be seen in either of 2 ways…
1) a solid and relatively inexpensive backup plan to trading Nathan as well down the line this season for even more prospects
2) a potential #3 in the rotation. I am convinced he would be an excellent starter now that he has matured in his role as 7th and 8th inning reliever and one of the better ones in the game
With that type of player, versatile, inexpensive and controlled for 3 more seasons…., I would think it is very easy to keep Fmart and Guerra out of this deal.
The offer should be revised.
Gomez, Heilman, Mulvey and Humber (nothing more)
To me…that provides the team with a CF’r of the future who has a bit of ML experience and has had a very good Minor league career to date, it provides them in Mulvey a guy who already has been said to have great control and poise on the mound. Knows how to pitch and is being mentioned as a number 3 starter in the future. It gives them a pretty solid back of the rotation prospect in Humber who lead the hitters league, PCL, at AAA in both wins and in WHIP which is no small feat. He is a bound to improve a tick on his fastball now that he is entering the 2nd full season after tommy John surgery and he is already to known to have one of the best curveballs in the minors. Lastly…it provides them a very flexible, inexpensive and proven 8th inning reliever in Heilman who desires to start and with his experience…should be very capable of doing it for them to at least a number 3 level. If also gives them the option of trading Nathan later in the season for more prospects and moving Heilman to the closer role which he could be very good at.
If it all broke right for them… they get 2 rotation ready guys in Mulvey and Humber to add to Liriano and Boof and whoever else they have. It gives them a CF for the next 6 years at essentially league minimum level cost wise who could develop the power to go with his speed. It also gives them a possible closer, 8th inning guy or potential 3rd starter.
Nice Haul in my eyes for Twins dumping one of the best pitchers in the game who is in his walk year and will be resigned by the trading partner for the most $$ in the game ever given to a pitcher.
I like this trade but would want the Twi