Comments on: Buzz: M’s Focused on Bedard http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Toshea http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82861 Toshea Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:31:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82861 Instead of adding F-Mart to either Bedard or Santana trades, Wouldn't they deserve a major league ready player instead. perhaps adding church, a proven capable player, Then Hiellman with the prospects including burgos and take out f-mart would make more sense for both teams. Signing colon and have Duque and Mulvey and others as back ups to pedro,colon,bedard. 1.Pedro 2.Bedard 3.maine 4.Ollie 5.colon Backups: Pelfrey Mulvey Duque and others We keep fmart and guerro if we get Bedard instead of santana platoon easley when lefties pitch with Endy in rf or pick up someone. Instead of adding F-Mart to either Bedard or Santana trades, Wouldn’t they deserve a major league ready player instead. perhaps adding church, a proven capable player, Then Hiellman with the prospects including burgos and take out f-mart would make more sense for both teams. Signing colon and have Duque and Mulvey and others as back ups to pedro,colon,bedard.

1.Pedro
2.Bedard
3.maine
4.Ollie
5.colon
Backups:
Pelfrey
Mulvey
Duque and others

We keep fmart and guerro if we get Bedard instead of santana
platoon easley when lefties pitch with Endy in rf or pick up someone.

]]> By: shytownmet http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82844 shytownmet Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:24:27 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82844 bedard is the most realistic option...great talent, not have to sacrifce as much to get him, and much cheaper than santana. can always waste 25mm/yr when he's a free agent after '08. altho, i still find it absolutely ridic to pay a PITCHER that much money. but if he wants to be a Met THAT bad, like ya'll say, good chance he'll hold out to make it work next offseason...there could be a great chance at having both bedard and santana while sacrificing less lambs...and if we dont get santana, no big deal..its not like any other NL team will make the deal or free agent signing. bedard is the most realistic option…great talent, not have to sacrifce as much to get him, and much cheaper than santana. can always waste 25mm/yr when he’s a free agent after ’08. altho, i still find it absolutely ridic to pay a PITCHER that much money. but if he wants to be a Met THAT bad, like ya’ll say, good chance he’ll hold out to make it work next offseason…there could be a great chance at having both bedard and santana while sacrificing less lambs…and if we dont get santana, no big deal..its not like any other NL team will make the deal or free agent signing.

]]> By: stickguy http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82666 stickguy Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:20:41 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82666 Lets see, if Maine and Perez make 33 starts each, and Duque and Pedro 25, and Pelfrey 25, that is 141. Therefore, spot starters and injury replacements have to come up with 21 starts. That is building in 4-6 weeks off for 3/5 of the rotation, and if they don’t do it at the same time, 1 guy like Humber really could pitch almost a full season as a “6th man” And if Pelfrey doesn't get hurt, he could pitch more games, I was just being conservative with his innings. Humber wouldn't get all those starts unless he was pitching lights out at AAA and really had his stuff working. If not him, darned if I know who it would be (Sosa, Mulvey, someone picked up when needed) This is also why I think they need to add one more solid starter to the rotation (even if not an Ace). I think I am saying that I just don’t find the pitching to be as dire of a problem as some others here. Of course guys need to stay reasonably healthy, but every team has that problem! Not guaranteeing anything, but you can reasonably project the Mets to have one of the best rotations in the league to start the season, without making rediculous assumptions (I don't consider Pedro making 25 generally good starts ridiculous). Since this is a Bedard thread, there is just as high a probability that he breaks down as any of the Met starters do! Lets see, if Maine and Perez make 33 starts each, and Duque and Pedro 25, and Pelfrey 25, that is 141. Therefore, spot starters and injury replacements have to come up with 21 starts.

That is building in 4-6 weeks off for 3/5 of the rotation, and if they don’t do it at the same time, 1 guy like Humber really could pitch almost a full season as a “6th man” And if Pelfrey doesn’t get hurt, he could pitch more games, I was just being conservative with his innings.

Humber wouldn’t get all those starts unless he was pitching lights out at AAA and really had his stuff working. If not him, darned if I know who it would be (Sosa, Mulvey, someone picked up when needed)

This is also why I think they need to add one more solid starter to the rotation (even if not an Ace).

I think I am saying that I just don’t find the pitching to be as dire of a problem as some others here. Of course guys need to stay reasonably healthy, but every team has that problem!

Not guaranteeing anything, but you can reasonably project the Mets to have one of the best rotations in the league to start the season, without making rediculous assumptions (I don’t consider Pedro making 25 generally good starts ridiculous).

Since this is a Bedard thread, there is just as high a probability that he breaks down as any of the Met starters do!

]]> By: Me llamo Pedro http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82647 Me llamo Pedro Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:05:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82647 just saw letsgetmarrried's post. Great minds think alike just saw letsgetmarrried’s post. Great minds think alike

]]> By: Me llamo Pedro http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82642 Me llamo Pedro Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:01:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82642 make that a nightmare in right for Green make that a nightmare in right for Green

]]> By: Me llamo Pedro http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82641 Me llamo Pedro Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:01:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82641 RF - Upgrade (small or large, it's still an upgrade. Green was a nightmare in Left) CF - Same LF - Same 1B - Same 2B - Upgrade (Full year) SS- Same 3B - Same C- Upgrade defensively (and not that much of a downgrade offensively) SP - About the same (Pedro takes over as Glavine) BP - Upgrade (No Mota and Duaner is back) RF – Upgrade (small or large, it’s still an upgrade. Green was a nightmare in Left)
CF – Same
LF – Same
1B – Same
2B – Upgrade (Full year)
SS- Same
3B – Same
C- Upgrade defensively (and not that much of a downgrade offensively)

SP – About the same (Pedro takes over as Glavine)
BP – Upgrade (No Mota and Duaner is back)

]]> By: Mingo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82619 Mingo Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:25:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82619 Glavine wasn't a 2. He was a 5. He rarely made it into the 7th inning and always seem to leave the game giving up 4 runs. He was reliable to make his starts and not go to the swing man early, but number 2 starters don't do that. A number 5 starter does. We tend to think of a number five as Dave Williams or Chan Ho Park because we our number 2 pitcher was a number 5 and we filled the 5-slot with guys that were not legitimate major league pitchers. Also, although I respected Glavine, I don't think he helped the team last year. As a number 2 pitcher he constantly saw the bullpen coming in for three plus innings. That wore out our bullpen down the stretch. A number 2 pitcher should be able to go 7 every time and have his team near winning. Smoltz, Buehrle and Harang are number 2s. Glavine will be better for the Braves because he won't be slotted so high and others will play the number two role for them, thus hurting them less. Glavine wasn’t a 2. He was a 5. He rarely made it into the 7th inning and always seem to leave the game giving up 4 runs. He was reliable to make his starts and not go to the swing man early, but number 2 starters don’t do that. A number 5 starter does. We tend to think of a number five as Dave Williams or Chan Ho Park because we our number 2 pitcher was a number 5 and we filled the 5-slot with guys that were not legitimate major league pitchers.

Also, although I respected Glavine, I don’t think he helped the team last year. As a number 2 pitcher he constantly saw the bullpen coming in for three plus innings. That wore out our bullpen down the stretch. A number 2 pitcher should be able to go 7 every time and have his team near winning. Smoltz, Buehrle and Harang are number 2s.
Glavine will be better for the Braves because he won’t be slotted so high and others will play the number two role for them, thus hurting them less.

]]> By: Gil the Pill http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82615 Gil the Pill Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:21:17 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82615 Bedard has 1 year where h pitched a full year and 3 where he has 28, 26 and 24 starts. Last year being 28 starts shows hes still not totally healthy. Bedard did not pitch in Sept, why were they holding him out? Bedard has 1 year where h pitched a full year and 3 where he has 28, 26 and 24 starts. Last year being 28 starts shows hes still not totally healthy. Bedard did not pitch in Sept, why were they holding him out?

]]> By: FBones24 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82602 FBones24 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:57:52 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82602 Blah! Bedard, Haren.... Haren had one good half year and Bedard had two good years. Oliver Perez had two years comparable to Bedard. Is anyone offering their entire farm system for him. These days one dominant season creates an "ace." In that case, we have Pedro, Maine, and OP...three aces. We should dominate the NL. The only pitcher worth trading for is Santana as he is proven and has at least 4 good years left in the NL assuming he does not get injured. Blah! Bedard, Haren…. Haren had one good half year and Bedard had two good years. Oliver Perez had two years comparable to Bedard. Is anyone offering their entire farm system for him. These days one dominant season creates an “ace.” In that case, we have Pedro, Maine, and OP…three aces. We should dominate the NL.

The only pitcher worth trading for is Santana as he is proven and has at least 4 good years left in the NL assuming he does not get injured.

]]> By: Gil the Pill http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82601 Gil the Pill Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:57:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/22/buzz-ms-focused-on-bedard/#comment-82601 Church=Green? On what planet? When was the last time Green hit 43 doubles, thats more then DW hit last year and would have led the mets. Church is well beyond Green defensively. Pedro = Glavine hahahahahhaahahahahhahahaha Castillo- Ill take an old 32 year old that hits 300 behind Reyes anyday of the week. Where do you com up with this stuff. Bedard- The orioles are not trading bedard, they are just assessing the value they can get for him. They have repeatedly turned down all offers. He has 2 more years under arbitration, he will be traded next year. Johan might be an Ace now but he has alot of innings on his arm the last 4 years. Check out his stats after that 17K game last year when he went in the bucket. 4 times teams scored 4 er againts him, 1 time 6er. Be weary very weary. As far as your strategy goes I agree wait on Santana . I for one am not worried if we dont get him. this mets team out classed the rest of the NL east until the last month. With several guys having pretty bad seasons because of injury ( delgado) or just sucking down the stretch( Mota, Reyes) That wont happen again, they are angry and will be up for proving everyone wrong last year. Valentin is in AAA unless someone gets hurt Period. Church=Green? On what planet? When was the last time Green hit 43 doubles, thats more then DW hit last year and would have led the mets. Church is well beyond Green defensively.

Pedro = Glavine hahahahahhaahahahahhahahaha

Castillo- Ill take an old 32 year old that hits 300 behind Reyes anyday of the week. Where do you com up with this stuff.

Bedard- The orioles are not trading bedard, they are just assessing the value they can get for him. They have repeatedly turned down all offers. He has 2 more years under arbitration, he will be traded next year.

Johan might be an Ace now but he has alot of innings on his arm the last 4 years. Check out his stats after that 17K game last year when he went in the bucket. 4 times teams scored 4 er againts him, 1 time 6er. Be weary very weary.

As far as your strategy goes I agree wait on Santana . I for one am not worried if we dont get him. this mets team out classed the rest of the NL east until the last month. With several guys having pretty bad seasons because of injury ( delgado) or just sucking down the stretch( Mota, Reyes) That wont happen again, they are angry and will be up for proving everyone wrong last year.

Valentin is in AAA unless someone gets hurt Period.

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