Comments on: Buzz: Odalis Perez to Meet the Mets

By: dodger45

dodger45 — Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:13:27 +0000

Odalis would be a GREAT addition. He has NEVER got any run support with any team. The Mets could provide this. No one gets run support in KC and he had 18 “no decisions” prior to that in LA in 2005; A team that averaged scoring 2 runs or less for him….. A lefty with his ability could be invaluable.

By: nyr2k2

nyr2k2 — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:59:00 +0000

You can’t define the argument as including only “old vets” and exclude Chacon (27) while including Dave Williams, who was 27 when we acquired him and 28 last season.

By: nyr2k2

nyr2k2 — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:50:52 +0000

As I’ve said numerous times before- it’s on BA or BP, and Rotowire. It’s not my diagnosis. I’m not trying to hide anything or make anything up. ANYONE with an account to those sites, please look it up.

I’m not going to address this again. I no longer can access those sites. If that sounds like a convenient excuse, go with that. I’m sure at some point this offseason or ST the news I’m referring to will be rehashed, and we can go from there. If not, then you can keep calling me a liar.

By: LeiterMilnerFasterStronger

LeiterMilnerFasterStronger — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:52:43 +0000

Stop ruining baseball lives! Won’t somebody PLEEEEEEASE think of the children?

LEAVE PELFREY ALONE!

By: VCarver

VCarver — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:22:04 +0000

How could they have been bashing the Oliver signing? He was signed to a minor league contract I believe and merely got an invitation to spring training. And how could they have been against Endy Chavez? Who was he blocking? What were the reasons? I honestly didn’t see any strong objections to either signing.

I already gave you Lidle. And Sturtze made no starts for the Yankees the last two years. So you’re still left with only Lidle, Ponson and Small. The last two years, the Mets had Lawrence, Williams, Park, Lima, and Gonzalez. So that’s 3 to 5.

The thing with Tavarez was that the Red Sox got him as a reliever. Not as a starter. And right before they got him, he had had 3 consecutive good years. So there was a good reason to get him. You cannot say the same for any of the dead wood the Mets got. He is simply not analogous to Park, Lima etc. And the first year they got Tavarez they used him mostly as a reliever and he did fine. Bottom line — they did not acquire someone who was already washed up coming off of bad years or injury. He wasn’t a scrapheap project which is essentially what I’m talking about.

So you’re still left with 3 players the Red Sox kinda took off the scrap heap.

Mets are still kings of the scrap heap reclamation projects. They need to stop it.

By: Meddler

Meddler — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 03:02:13 +0000

To be fair Green was pretty solid against righties, their OPS against righties was virtually identical in 2008. Church provided a bit more pop and Green a bit more OBP.

However, Shawn Green was the anti-clutch. Check this out:

Shawn Green with a runner on third and less than two outs:

21 ABs 13 RBIs .286 avg .286 slg

Ryan Church:

43 ABs 23 RBIs .440 / .720

Bases loaded:

Green: .276 / .364
Church: .385 / .538

By: VCarver

VCarver — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 02:59:49 +0000

Sorry, but find me the report that said he had a “very tired” arm from pitching “as many innings in 2007 as in 2005 and 2006 combined.” You’re simply making your own diagnosis when it could be simply ordinary tiredness that every pitcher goes through regardless of the number of innings.Obviously IF there was any tiredness, it was not serious or they wouldn’t have let him extend himself into the 9th inning when he pitched his near no-hitter at the end of August. I think you’re making something out of nothing.

By: nyr2k2

nyr2k2 — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:21:47 +0000

Nothing out of the ordinary, I don’t think I said that… Just a very tired arm from having pitched as many innings in 2007 as in 2005 and 2006 combined. Pushing a guy too far is asking for an injury, we both know that.

By: nyr2k2

nyr2k2 — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:08:44 +0000

It’s not an exaggeration at all. Maybe we’re remembering different posts on this board, but A LOT of people were all over the Chavez and Oliver signings.

DiNardo was a poor example, I’ll allow that.

Give me Tanyon Sturtze and Corey Lidle too. Older types from multiple organizations that have had limited success. That would make five… How many have the Mets used? Let’s count: Jeremi Gonzalez, Jose Lima, Chan Ho Park, Brian Lawrence maybe? Among pitchers that got starts… Seems relatively (or exactly) even to me.

Tavarez the reliever was solid. Tavarez tha starter was not. Last 4 years of ERA as a starter: 5.39, 4.52, 5.93. Taking a veteran reliever and watching him struggle as a starter is no different than recalling a crappy starter from AAA. Were you to concede me Tavarez, that makes 4 poor choices for SP by the Sox in the past two years.

I’m done arguing this, at it seems we agree on nothing. Feel free to one-up me all night should you choose. I’m off to watch the Rags with the old lady.

By: VCarver

VCarver — Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:50:55 +0000

nyc2k2, just find me one reference that says Humber had a tired arm in 2007that was something out of the ordinary. As I said, ALL pitchers get a tired arm at times — Maine, Perez and Feliciano all had tired arms this year. So it’s no reason to baby a pitcher.

Aggressively pushing prospects in the minors is a subjective opinion and doesn’t mean anything if you don’t end up promoting kids to the majors. It’s irrelevant. What’s important is whether or not the Mets have been developing and utilizing the talent in the HIGH minors effectively enough so that they can contribute at the major league level.