Comments on: Read: MLBTR’s Q&A with Bannister http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: wdwyer http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-123198 wdwyer Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:01:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-123198 Jesusian H Chirst people...get over it. Injuries happen, and they cannot be predicted. Let's also not forget the Mets are not the only teams out there that make a trade that seems fair, and it blows up...or a piece gets hurt. You people are acting like this is the first time this has happened. The Mets and like most teams are littered in their history of failed and lopsided trades. For every bum trade I can name a good one...and vice-versa. Hindsight is 20/20. I liked Bannister, I did. But trading him away at the time wasn't some earth shattering move made by Omar. And I don't care what his stats are...he acquired them with the Royals in what amounted to a laughable Division that at the time was merely a small step up from the NL Central. Don't start making the distinction as if Bannister is the next coming...he's not...and neither is Burgos. Let's be honest people. This was a trade of 2 mediocre pitchers being swapped for each other...PERIOD. You can tell me stats until your blue in the face. Bannister ONLY made the 2006 team because none of the usual suspects that year were any better in ST. THAT'S IT! He was 2-1 that year in 6 starts because of an injury. That was the year the Mets took their time bringing him back. And when he was traded...not a tear was shed. Oh and by the way...if you truly want to see stats. The only stats worth looking at is September 2007. He faced MIN, NYY, CLE, CHW, CHW in that order. That's 2 Playoff hopefuls, a mediocre team, and a bad team. Very comparable teams to whom the Mets faced in September '07. He gave up 20 runs over the course of the month, and went 1-2 in 5 games. This is for the Royals keep in mind (out of playoffs, no pressure). To keep this in perspective, Tom Glavine faced ATL, HOU, PHI, FLA, WAS, FLA. That's 2 Playoff hopefuls, and 3 "eh" to bad teams. He gave up 21 runs over the month and went 2-2 in 6 games. Keep in mind the Mets were in the Playoff hunt right down to the final game and was in the middle of HUGE pressure while disintegrating before our eyes. Glavine's last win before the end of the Season was September 8th. Bannister's last win before the end of the season was September 2nd. In other words to those who feel Bannister would have made the 2 game difference. Your out of your minds...and second guessing after the fact. In 3 of his final 4 games Bannister gave up 7, 6, 5 ER's. In 3 of his final 4 games Glavine gave up 4, 6, 7 ER's. Sounds to me we'd be cursing Bannister's name and throwing it on the fires that torched the end of last season just like we did Glavine's. Jesusian H Chirst people…get over it. Injuries happen, and they cannot be predicted. Let’s also not forget the Mets are not the only teams out there that make a trade that seems fair, and it blows up…or a piece gets hurt. You people are acting like this is the first time this has happened. The Mets and like most teams are littered in their history of failed and lopsided trades. For every bum trade I can name a good one…and vice-versa.

Hindsight is 20/20.

I liked Bannister, I did. But trading him away at the time wasn’t some earth shattering move made by Omar. And I don’t care what his stats are…he acquired them with the Royals in what amounted to a laughable Division that at the time was merely a small step up from the NL Central. Don’t start making the distinction as if Bannister is the next coming…he’s not…and neither is Burgos. Let’s be honest people. This was a trade of 2 mediocre pitchers being swapped for each other…PERIOD. You can tell me stats until your blue in the face. Bannister ONLY made the 2006 team because none of the usual suspects that year were any better in ST. THAT’S IT! He was 2-1 that year in 6 starts because of an injury. That was the year the Mets took their time bringing him back. And when he was traded…not a tear was shed.

Oh and by the way…if you truly want to see stats. The only stats worth looking at is September 2007. He faced MIN, NYY, CLE, CHW, CHW in that order. That’s 2 Playoff hopefuls, a mediocre team, and a bad team. Very comparable teams to whom the Mets faced in September ‘07. He gave up 20 runs over the course of the month, and went 1-2 in 5 games. This is for the Royals keep in mind (out of playoffs, no pressure).

To keep this in perspective, Tom Glavine faced ATL, HOU, PHI, FLA, WAS, FLA. That’s 2 Playoff hopefuls, and 3 “eh” to bad teams. He gave up 21 runs over the month and went 2-2 in 6 games. Keep in mind the Mets were in the Playoff hunt right down to the final game and was in the middle of HUGE pressure while disintegrating before our eyes.

Glavine’s last win before the end of the Season was September 8th. Bannister’s last win before the end of the season was September 2nd. In other words to those who feel Bannister would have made the 2 game difference. Your out of your minds…and second guessing after the fact.

In 3 of his final 4 games Bannister gave up 7, 6, 5 ER’s.
In 3 of his final 4 games Glavine gave up 4, 6, 7 ER’s.

Sounds to me we’d be cursing Bannister’s name and throwing it on the fires that torched the end of last season just like we did Glavine’s.

]]> By: Cactus http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-85242 Cactus Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:15:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-85242 Pitchers with higher VORP than <b>any</b> Met pitcher in 2007: Scott Kazmir Heath Bell Brian Bannister Pitchers with higher VORP than any Met pitcher in 2007:

Scott Kazmir
Heath Bell
Brian Bannister

]]> By: theinfluencer http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84956 theinfluencer Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:58:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84956 I don't think Bannister can reproduce those numbers this year. I don’t think Bannister can reproduce those numbers this year.

]]> By: VCarver http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84911 VCarver Sun, 27 Jan 2008 13:51:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84911 The problem with Burgos is that he was wild and has a low pitching IQ. In the early part of spring training he would rear back and throw as hard as he could. No wonder he came up with a bum arm. Bannister was projected to be by some a middle of the rotation starter. Trading him was a terribly short-sighted move by Omar that definitely did hurt them last year and could hurt them this year, especially if Omar goes out and gets LIvan. Ugh. The thought of that is nauseating. Bannister will have a better 2008 season than Livan and throw more quality innings. And be a helluva lot cheaper. The problem with Burgos is that he was wild and has a low pitching IQ. In the early part of spring training he would rear back and throw as hard as he could. No wonder he came up with a bum arm.

Bannister was projected to be by some a middle of the rotation starter. Trading him was a terribly short-sighted move by Omar that definitely did hurt them last year and could hurt them this year, especially if Omar goes out and gets LIvan. Ugh. The thought of that is nauseating. Bannister will have a better 2008 season than Livan and throw more quality innings. And be a helluva lot cheaper.

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84712 gowrightgo Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:22:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84712 You can cherry pick the stats to make them seem however you want them to. See Phillip Hughes last year. On the whole..just ok. But a winning record and mid 4 era plus the near no hit game through 6 innings. But he pitched against Tampa 3 times and Seattle and Baltimore 2 times. Weak competition for sure assisted in making the stats look presentable. He may be become a stud but he did not impress me with that competition You can cherry pick the stats to make them seem however you want them to. See Phillip Hughes last year. On the whole..just ok. But a winning record and mid 4 era plus the near no hit game through 6 innings.

But he pitched against Tampa 3 times and Seattle and Baltimore 2 times. Weak competition for sure assisted in making the stats look presentable. He may be become a stud but he did not impress me with that competition

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84711 gowrightgo Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:19:53 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84711 Agreed that he has some serious catching up to do. But the guy did not stink. He was sent down to accomodate Mota if you recall. He was the guy with options and served a relatively minor role at the time they sent him down....he was the 6th and 7th inning guy. We'll agree that if the snapshot is right now...Bannister has a huge lead on production to date and the trade was a failure. Especially since Burgos is hurt rehabbing and will not be part of this team for 1.5 yrs when he is ready to help again. Agreed that he has some serious catching up to do. But the guy did not stink. He was sent down to accomodate Mota if you recall. He was the guy with options and served a relatively minor role at the time they sent him down….he was the 6th and 7th inning guy.

We’ll agree that if the snapshot is right now…Bannister has a huge lead on production to date and the trade was a failure. Especially since Burgos is hurt rehabbing and will not be part of this team for 1.5 yrs when he is ready to help again.

]]> By: extrawhitemeat http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84706 extrawhitemeat Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:10:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84706 He proved early on he wasn't ready to pitch in big spots.. of course there was no room on the roster for him.. his stats only slightly improved because he came into blow outs or mop up duty.. Between 4/25 and 5/4 he pitched in 4 games, for a total of 8 innings, and gave up4 runs.. He had one good outing against the cubs in the infamous Jason Vargas game where Willie started his "A -" guys Then pitched in 3 drubbings where the Mets lost 6-2, 8-1. and 7-2, and was then sent to AAA never to been from again... He proved early on he wasn’t ready to pitch in big spots.. of course there was no room on the roster for him.. his stats only slightly improved because he came into blow outs or mop up duty..

Between 4/25 and 5/4 he pitched in 4 games, for a total of 8 innings, and gave up4 runs..

He had one good outing against the cubs in the infamous Jason Vargas game where Willie started his “A -” guys

Then pitched in 3 drubbings where the Mets lost 6-2, 8-1. and 7-2, and was then sent to AAA never to been from again…

]]> By: extrawhitemeat http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84704 extrawhitemeat Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:06:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84704 Yes he struck out 2 more guys then he gave up hits too... everyone raves about his power arm and stuff.. but the Ks just aren't there.. the only thing that's there is the hits and the ERA.. If he was pitching so well last year.. why did he spend most of the time in AAA before he went under the knife? There are plenty of reasons to think he can't become a valuable reliever.. like a career 4.60 ERA.. and now who knows what he'll do when he comes back from injury.. plenty of guys don't make it back. Yes he struck out 2 more guys then he gave up hits too… everyone raves about his power arm and stuff.. but the Ks just aren’t there.. the only thing that’s there is the hits and the ERA..

If he was pitching so well last year.. why did he spend most of the time in AAA before he went under the knife?

There are plenty of reasons to think he can’t become a valuable reliever.. like a career 4.60 ERA.. and now who knows what he’ll do when he comes back from injury.. plenty of guys don’t make it back.

]]> By: extrawhitemeat http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84703 extrawhitemeat Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:00:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84703 Even when Burgos was healthy he stunk.. he was sent to AAA cause he couldn't cut in the majors.. so we'd still be debating this even if he wasn't on the shelf, it just makes his return that much more questionable.. For a contending team in 2007 trading away starting pitching depth.. which you and Cerrone keep calling a strength when it was a huge sore spot for us ( see the ERAs of our 5th starters in my 2nd post) for a guy who was never good to begin with, and was more a project then anything.. really cost us... Maybe it would of been those 2 games.. maybe it wouldn't of.. but by the time Burgos is pitching again.. Bannister will probably have won 20 something games in the majors.. he's got an awful lot of catching up to do.. especially with a career ERA of 4.60 Even when Burgos was healthy he stunk.. he was sent to AAA cause he couldn’t cut in the majors.. so we’d still be debating this even if he wasn’t on the shelf, it just makes his return that much more questionable..

For a contending team in 2007 trading away starting pitching depth.. which you and Cerrone keep calling a strength when it was a huge sore spot for us ( see the ERAs of our 5th starters in my 2nd post) for a guy who was never good to begin with, and was more a project then anything.. really cost us…

Maybe it would of been those 2 games.. maybe it wouldn’t of.. but by the time Burgos is pitching again.. Bannister will probably have won 20 something games in the majors.. he’s got an awful lot of catching up to do.. especially with a career ERA of 4.60

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84690 gowrightgo Sat, 26 Jan 2008 17:33:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/26/read-mlbtrs-qa-with-bannister/#comment-84690 Absolutely. plus he was obviously affected by the injury that ultimately arose. Elbow issues requiring tommy john surgery usually present their symptons along the way in the elbow before the snap. Things like being unable to loosen up and having a dull ache in the elbow etc. That might have further depressed what were pretty decent numbers when up with us Absolutely. plus he was obviously affected by the injury that ultimately arose. Elbow issues requiring tommy john surgery usually present their symptons along the way in the elbow before the snap. Things like being unable to loosen up and having a dull ache in the elbow etc. That might have further depressed what were pretty decent numbers when up with us

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