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M’s OF Adam Jones will fly to Baltimore tomorrow morning to take a physical ‘so he can be dealt to the Orioles in exchange for pitcher 
Erik Bedard,’ writes columnist Geoff Baker in a post to his blog for the Seattle Times.
…Update…7 am…
In a report to SI.com, Jon Heyman writes that there is still concern within Baltimore’s front office regarding this deal, which could include up to four more prospects in addition to Jones.
According to Heyman, Baltimore could ship 3B Brain Roberts off to the Cubs not longer after the Bedard deal is complete.
Meanwhile, at Prospect Insider, Jason Churchill characterizes the deal as 99 percent done, while citing the same set of prospects in the deal as Heyman.
…by the way, hat’s off to churchill, who has been like white on rice with this story for months now…
Interesting, of the three Santana was the one that everyone said would definitely be traded this offseason. There seemed a much bigger chance Bedard or Haren stayed put.
That and the fact that once the off-season winter meetings began, a Santana trade would come first with all others moves to follow. The thinking was that a Santana move would dictate any move of the two other big pitchers (Bedard and Haren) and any other big deals in MLB.
Now all eyes will focus on a Santana deal…or, wait haven’t they all been focused on him all winter long anyway?
I’m new to the board and I love this place…my only regret is that I wish I’d found it sooner.
everyone probably got sick of waiting for the twins to pull the trigger.
what he said
I know I am
well welcome, and good thing u found it now, i think you would go crazy with all the johan talk for months like everyone else here who checks this site every 30 seconds lol
yea i check this site too much as well. i would have to say that although Santana is better then haren and bedard, there value is higher. Bill Smith waited too long and he will get muich less than what he wanted at the beginning of this ordeal
there is a leeson in this to other teams….approach a star player 3 years before he can be a free agent. if he signs then great but if not you can trade him and get more value. its funny becuase Santana is the best pitcher in baseball is only 29 and the twins will get less for him then guys who had ONE good year
Well lets all cross our fingers in the hope that this will light a fire under Smith’s ass. Also he can now point this deal out to his fans and justify taking the Mets package.
This seems to help the Twins. One less pitcher on the market who the Mets say they can turn their attention to.
I wonder if the Twins will now put the squeeze on the Mets to include FMart in the deal.
yeah, but the mets havent shown any interest in bedard since the winter meetings. i see where youre coming from but i doubt the mets were using bedard as leverage
Besides the fact that the Mets couldn’t use Bedard seriously as leverage–the Orioles did seem hesitant to trade with Omar again from reports/rumors–fact is that the hefty, richest contract to a pitcher in baseball history that hangs with Johan effectively cut down the Twins’ negotiating power to begin with. Things have hardly changed and thanks to the brass for N.Y.Y. and BOS, it’s effectively the Mets left as the only suitor left that can afford that price. The only thing that could be problematic for the Mets is the oft-mentioned threat of Yankees/Red Sox suddenly jumping back in, and a wild little scenario: Some team that had been looking at Bedard instead yet could afford Santana (but was reluctant to do so) all of a sudden enters the foray. The latter sounds rather far-fetched although I suppose is not impossible. In sum things are where they have always been with the Santana talks: stagnant. Or so it seems.
i agree with most of what you said although it was Santana himself who said he only wnats to play for boston or NY.
not only does he want (and deserve) the biggest contract ever for a pitcher, he wants to be on a team that can sustain winning for years to come.
Bill Smith f..cked up. he should have taken Hughes while he had the chance. he must trade santana before this year.
I saw today in either the post or daily news an interview with Hank Steinbrenner. he said that he is going to give the young pitchers a chance aka no Santana.
Hankbrenner also said he would never, ever, negotiate with Alex Rodriguez after he opted out. Look what happened there. I trust him about as far as I can throw his fat ass.
I hope not. I’d like to keep F-Mart, Guerra and Mulvey. Trade Church, Gomez, Pelfrey and Humber for Santana. Trade Wagner for pitching prospects and flip them for Jason Bay, since the M’s can’t get him any more (Sanchez closes). And we should get Livan to give time for Mulvey and Guerra until 2009 and 2010 respectively). We’d be good for now and the next few years.
Our 2010 rotation would be Santana, Maine, Perez, Guerra, and Mulvey. Our OF would be F-Mart, Beltran and Bay.
P.S. Sorry for posting this again, but my previous post was removed for some reason.
i hope this is a joke, Sanchez closing? how can we count on him being healthy and fill the most important spot in the bullpen? This is crazy talk
Maybe, but he throws heat and as a closer he would pitch less than as a SU man. In 07, Billy Wagner pitched 68.3 innings in 66 games, while Aaron Heliman pitched 86 innings in 81 games. So possibly I’m not that crazy. Just a little. Plus, I’m not a Wagner fan.
Is it just me, or does Jones seem really over-hyped?
No, you’re not the only one. Though I trust the baseball people know more about him them we do.
I dont think this deal helps the Twins out at all. It seems as if the market was initially awaiting for Santana to be traded, however no one seemed to think it would take this long. My feeling is that teams couldnt wait any longer to decide the fate of their team. The Twins are pushing the envelope here. They are losing leverage every day. As soon as this deal is official, Santana’s fate will be decided. My guess, he is resigned or shipped to the Mets. The only way this trade could help the Twins is in the event that the unnamed players turned out to be phenomenal prospects, and a bunch of them.
Good Luck Omar!
P.S. I dont think signing Livan prior to this deal would make too much of a difference. Yes, he is a starter, but he is NOT an Ace. On the other hand, if Bedard or someone of his skill level were part of discussions, then the Twins may have to bite solely on the risk of losing suitors.
Only 2 reasons seem to make sense for the Os to trade him now. Either they were blown away by the package (to be seen), or (and IMO, quite likely) they were worried about him staying healthy for another full year.
Gotta figure that his value peaked after last year, and if he came down with arm problems again in 2008, they weren’t going to get squat for him.
totally qagree. the orioles know something that most of baseball does not. i feel due to his size and body type that he is what the mets thought of in regards to Kazmir.
Random thought: How about Lo Duca needing surgery? The body starts to break down after you get off the roids/HGH. Glad he isn’t a Met anymore.
not at all surprised Wonder if all the posters that ranted about how they should have kept Loduca think now? I’m sure that they will all be on here soon posting that they were wrong!
hey, who was the guy petitioning the most to keep loduca? The answer is cerrone.
come on, he was a likeable guy
Oh my god Mets, just close the freaking deal already!
Interesting.. so you mean when you make a trade offer with good players,other teams will accept, and a trade actually gets made?
Interesting… I wonder if the Mets know this…
It’s actually th Twins that don’t seem to know it!
Let’s just see what the final package from the Ms is though.
If Omar really did offer Gomez, Guerra, Mulvey and Humber, that is a solid package with good players, for a 1 year of Santana (which is all the Twins have left)
Fair enough… the rumors last week were pretty good deals for the Os.. but we don’t know for sure
All I’m saying is if its a game of musical chairs.. there’s only one left..
I hope Omar knows what hes doing.
Yes, the Mets do know this. They also know ZERO teams want to provide 5 players for the RIGHTS to pay $150 million over 6 years. That’s why the big market Yankees and Red Sox have NOT sealed the deal. Maybe somebody can teach them how to run winning franchises that continue to develop talent.
is it possible, now that the m’s have added bedard to their rotation, that the angels make an offer and become a serious player in the santana sweepstakes?
Excellent point..
I know Zito and Johan are much different players.. but you can’t not notice the similarities…
Would anyone be surprised if an unknown team showed up and paid the price that the Mets are so confident no one will, and end up with Johan?
That would suck! Its likely to happen but I am praying to God it doesn’t and he is good to us and we seal the deal with Santana!
Angels won’t get involved. Twins tried getting them in before and it got them nowhere. Angels are usually inactive anyway.
They were knee deep in the Miguel Cabrera talks.. but wouldn’t match Maybin/Miller
And their owner is very active… so I’m not sure what you’re basing this on?
They were also runners up for Tex last season.. so again.. ow are the angels inactive???
Angels over the past aren’t very active in getting what they really need like a bat for Guerrero. Their pitching staff is really good to begin with. Don’t see them dishing out the prospects AND money. Especially when they’ve had 2 months to get involved. They never came up before or after Miguel Cabrera was traded.
Let’s not forget, after Bedard and Felix, the Mariners have Carlos Silva, Miguel Batista, and Jarrod Washburn. Also Horacio Ramirez. Think that’s scaring the Angels?
Their rotation is stacked as is. Lackey, Escobar, Weaver, Garland, Saunders/E Santana. No chance they get involved IMO.
Well E Santana would certainly go in any deal for Johan… and it’s not like the Sox or even the Yanks are starved for pitching…
It’s Johan Santana… there really is no reason to not get him if you have the chance too
If the Angels wanted Santana, they’d have approached the Twins by now. Heck, if they really wanted to they could have gone after Bedard to keep the M’s from getting him. They didn’t which obviously means they don’t see acquiring an ace as a necessity.
anything is possible but that is very unlikely. the just added 15 million to there payroll this year in Tori Hunter and im pretty sure there not going to add another 20-25 million plus luxury tax. i no they play in LA but the owner will not do that. plus who says Santana wants to go there????
If they want F-Mart that bad then they dont get Gomez too. We substitute Church for Gomez. Offer: F-Mart, Church, Mulvey, Humber, Guerra. We then keep Pelfrey and Gomez who can help us this year. We should also sign Livan.
Starters:
Santana
Pedro
Maine
Perez ( Perez as a 4th starter. Sick!)
Livan/Pelfrey/El Duque
Line-Up:
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Beltran
Alou
Delgado
Schnider/Castro
Gomez/Endy Chavez
Pitcher
Pen: Wagner, Heilman, Sanchez, Feliciano, Padilla, Wise, Smith, Rincon, El Duque
Now thats a world series caliber team I’d like to watch. Pelfrey can start year in AAA and be called up for injuries. We then have a young nucleus of Reyes, Wright, Santana, Maine, Perez (who we must lock up with Maine), Gomez, and Pelfrey. A winning team for many, many years. I just hope Omar can see it this way.
I couldn’t agree more… I would rather trade FMart than Gomez just because I believe this team can win the W.S. this year with Santana.
We definetly can win the world series with Santana. But not without him. With Santana, Pedro, Maine, and Perez we have a staff that is hard to match up against in any series.
The price for Santana might have gone up.
Not sure if the Mets and O’s ever had any common ground
Yanks or Sox either for that matter
may be an apple and an orange
or, horrors, you may be right….
Doubt that deal will effect Santana. It’s definitely Santana or bust for the Mets now.
Why didn’t we just dangle the same deal ( or similar ones ) to each team and try and leverage them against each other?
Were there really two completely separate market for each of two young best left handers, who both pitched in the AL, in baseball?
who says omar hasn’t?
Is the Mariner deal better than what we could have offered the Os?
Jones’ numbers in 101 games at AAA Tacoma this past year:
AB: 420
HR: 25
RB:84
AVG: .314
OBP: .382
SLG: .586
OPS: .968
But…
K: 106
BB: 36
Pretty good for a 21 year old.
However, in limited time in the bigs (41 games), he didn’t do very well.
AB: 65
HR: 2
RBI: 4
AVG: .246
OBP: .300
SLG: .400
OPS: .700
K: 21
BB: 4
He was clearly overmatched at the next level his first go around, but he’s only a kid. But, the numbers are very Milledge-like.
I should clarify that Jone’s 41 games were in 2007, he got a cup of coffee in 2006 that went even worse than last season.
yes i believe there was. Santana is 1 year rental and whichever team signs him must pay 120 million on top
Bedard is 3-4 year player so his value is much higher
Werent the Cubs looking for a Bedard and Brian Roberts deal? Does this now mean the Cubs will enter the Santana sweepstakes? I sure hope not.
this question gets asked every few days and the answer always comes down to the cubs ability to pay santana on top of what has already been commited to zambrano and soriano. most seem to think not.
If your Santana would you allow yourself to be dealt to Wrigley Field and hope the wind is blowing in everytime you pitch?
Over the past 15 months they’ve committed….
Aramis Ramirez – 5 yr, 73 mill (14.6 per)
Alfonso Soriano – 8 yr, 136 mill (17 per)
Ted Lilly – 4 yr, 40 mill (10 per)
Jason Marquis – 3 yr, 21 mill (7 per)
Carlos Zambrano – 5 yr, 91.5 mill (18.3 per)
Kosuke Fukudome – 4 yr, 48 mill (12 per)
Yeah, That is 78.9 million per year committed to just 6 players in the last 15 months. There’s no way that they can afford to make Johan Santana the richest pitcher in baseball on top of that.
Adam Jones looks like a pretty decent talent. He has never proved himself on the big league level, however. He had a very nice year in AAA, but I’ll be interested to see who else is in the package. Bedard is an ace with a few years until he’s a FA. A kid who has not performed well in the bigs can’t be all the M’s give. Wow.
i doubt the twins will give up on gomez they probably want him more than f-mart. if anything we have to substitute church for f-mart and sign a right feilder. i like this guy and hes proven to be a decent offensive player in ruben gotay b/c we all know they are not nearly locked up at second base.
I still think they’d want FMart over Gomez or Church in that they’ve said if they traded Santana they’d try to trade Nathan as well. I’m sure they could get a major league ready CF in a deal for Nathan so that might not be a concern for them.
mlbtraderumors is saying that the deal is not complete and Andy Mcphail is denying the whole thing.
well, if adam jones said from his own lips that he is off to baltimore for a physical, what can that possibly mean other than he got traded?
Did Jones start the rumor? Wow that would be something if the story turns out to be false.
you know, i was thinking about that. but, can you imagine the trouble the kid would be if he first leaves a winter ball finals game and second lies about it with the story about having to go to baltimore?
maybe he needed to leave the country fast?
I’d rather have Bedard on the cheap and keep a few of our farm team around. I wish Omar would go after Bedard.
I got a good laugh from this post. There were hundreds of posts this offseason speculating about Santana, Bedard and Haren about where they will end up and what it will take to land them. Finally, Bedard gets traded and Matt writes 4 lines.
I know its late Matt, just giving ya a hard time. Keep up the good work!
actually, wasn’t there a post that came after the current post at the top that just disappeared?
Yup. The link takes you to this:
Sorry, but you are looking for something that isn’t here.
They’re playing with our heads, man.
damn u scubasteve!
Wow, I posted the O’s denial hours ago and it never showed.
Regardless, this is getting frustrating. Just end this already. Either re-sign him or send him to us for Joe Smith and 14 FUNGO bats. Then use the bats to smack Smith in the head for being a putz burger.
Looks like Jones, Tillman, Sherrill, Tony Butler, and Kameron Mickolio are going to the Orioles for Bedard. Also, rumor has it that the O’s will be looking to flip Roberts over to the Cubbies for Felix Pie and Sean Gallagher.
Anybody know how the players Seattle sent to Baltimore stack up against our group of players we’ve offered to the Twins?
I will admit I was partially for Lo Duca ONLY IF they could find a catcher who knows how to handle pitchers. Lo Duca did a fine job in NY, but I would be hesitant giving Lo Duca money he was asking for. Also – I don’t think the Angels will step up. Now that it is just a matter of time before Bedard officially becomes a Mariner, it does not change the outlook in the AL West. All they are dealing to get Bedard are: Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Minor League pitcher Chris Tillman and another Minor League player. The Angels remain the team to beat with Lackey, Santana, Weaver, Escobar and Garland. And add to the fact they have Joe Saunders who can start as well as relieve unless they move Santana to the bullpen. Looking at what the M’s dealt to get Bedard (highlighted in bold) in comparison to what the Mets would offer/propose/deal to acquire Johan Santana:
Adam Jones = Carlos Gomez
George Sherrill = Aaron Heilman
Chris Tillman = Kevin Mulvey
Extra Player = Phillip Humber and/or Ryan Church
So if Smith thinks for a second the Angels will get involved, NOT!! The Angels were looking for a hitter the whole time, someone to protect Vlad Guerrero. Now am I concerned there could be a “mystery team” which tends to be Boras’ favorite term: ABSOLUTELY YES! Which is also why Kyle Lohse is in a holding pattern as well as Livan Hernandez. So the Twins have a choice and they better make it soon. Quite frankly, I’m tired of checking Johan stories every day at the hour. I can’t afford to lose sleep over this!
p.s.
Lesson to Minaya: We are all expecting high impact players to be drafted with those three picks you scored in the 2008 MLB Draft! Tell Selig to take his draft slot bonus crap and take it to someone else… no one follows that sh*t
. . . I take it that the Orioles were not going to trade Bedard to either the Yanks or Sox because they play in the same division, and the Os were not going to trade with us because of Kris Benson?
First off, he’s too cute to be all the way up in Seattle where I’ll never see him, and two this does seem to make the Johan trade easily for Minnesota.
damn, i liked bedard but il take santana anyday
scenario
Thats funny werid a little but funny! I also can’t wait for this Santana deal to get over with but I say in next week or so it will happen!
Right, I remember when the Mets had the prospects to deal for Bedard. And when the O’s said, we don’t care you fleeced us getting Maine. Oh yeah, and Benson’s arm fell off but we won’t blame the Mets either. Sure, let’s do a Bedard deal.
Yes, I remember this being a possibility. My gosh, what a statement. And by the way, Valentin is a minor league deal. I’m sure you were unaware of that.