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…Update…3:50 pm…
According to Buster Olney at ESPN.com:
“Baseball officials involved in the Johan Santana talks say
the Mets have the best offer on the table, as the Twins looked to honor a request by the pitcher to resolve the situation.”
…like i said yesterday, santana and his agents made a request over the weekend to get this process moving, but i didn’t feel it was anything formal or threatening…well, apparently it was…nice work, johan…way to be the boss…
…by the way, my head is pounding…
…Update…3:06 pm…
In a report to ESPN.com, in which he states a decision could come as early as today, Buster Olney writes…
“Some officials engaged in the talks strongly believed that Santana will land with Mets. Early Tuesday, Mets executives are quietly hopeful that they could land the left-hander with a package of players, so long as the Twins backed off their insistence that shortstop Jose Reyes be included in the deal.”
According to Jon Heyman in a report for SI.com, if the Mets end up agreeing to a trade with the Twins for Santana, they’re likely to offer him no more than a five-year deal, but at a high annual salary in the range of $22-to-25 million.
Interestingly, according to WFAN, Santana recently turned down a five-year, $100 million contract offer from the Twins, because he is still holding out for a seven-year, $140 million deal.
…so, if heyman is correct, the Mets offer would be only a few million dollars more per year than what he rejected from the Twins…from what i can gather, this is because he has zero interest in re-signing with the Twins, who can now go to their fans and say, “Hey, we tried.”…at least that’s how i see it…
Like Joel Sherman wrote this morning in the New York Post, Heyman notes that the race for Santana is down to teams: the Mets and Red Sox.
…thanks to Jason B for the link…
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And the Sox mainly want to keep him out of the Bronx….
This anticipation might drive me SANE!!!!!!
Damn I have to make some calls…keep me informed…Be back in a few minutes!
DID HEYMAN JUST SAY THE DEAL IS DONE AND IT IS HEILMAN AND GOMEZ?????????
what??? this is poppycock…again, if you’re toying with us, you will be murdered
Heyman said that the “Mets are in contact” with the Twins and it does not appear that the Red Sox are.
What did I miss boys?!?!?
Heyman said the Mets are in talks with the Twins but he isn’t sure whether its to tell them to make a better deal or to finalize it.
Matt, didn’t you say that Santana’s preference is to come to the Mets from the beginning?
Headline now on ESPN ML section: Mets the front-runner? Sources say N.Y. has best Santana offer
Updated as of 3:46 PM ET
WE GOT HIM
http://www.usatoday.com/sports
Does anyone want to take an over/under bet to determine how long the metsblog.com will be down…You know full well, the site will crash IF Johan is traded to the Mets! Any Takers?
good to see the bets are now revolving around what will happen when he comes.
MICHAEL KAYE IS TALKING AS IF THE METS HAVE ALREADY MADE THIS TRADE.
4:13PM
“THIS WILL MOVE THE SUPERBOWL OFF OF THE BACK PAGES”
yeah i can’t be the only person who took a spit take at that lede.
matt, show some sensitivity here!
Exactly what I was thinking.
the wilpons don’t have a choice. if the trade can be made and the wilpons say no to 6 or 7 years: they will never live it down in this town with this fanbase.
i would be more upset if they said no to the money aspect than the years. 6-7 years is alot for a pitcher (though I would still do it) considering insurance companies wouldnt cover. But if the Wilpns said no to 22 – 25 + mil per year THEN I would be royally pissed off.
Agreed. It’s not as if there’s another team out there offering Santana 6-7 years. So it comes down to the amount of money over 5 years.
Remember that Beltran wanted 10 years initially, but settled for 7 (with more money).
also remember that the deal for 5 years is really a deal for 6 because he’s signed for 2008!
Do whatever it takes. 5/$200m is fine by me!
It really shouldn’t be.
Heyman also said that the player compensation between the Mets and Twins could be complete as early as today…..
Why did Heyman say F-Mart has less upside then Gomez?
Yea don’t know that was a strange comment
Yeah, I definitely disagree with that. They both have superstar potential, just with different skill sets.
Fernando can be a high average, high power guy.
Gomez can be a nice mix of speed and power.
Gomez has never really hit for power though… he’s projected to hit some home runs, but has never really done it (8 with Hagerstown in 05 was his high)), so I’m not sure why the projection sticks.
I don’t think Gomez will ever be a super star.. I mean come on now..
If he turned into Ellsbury or Juan Pierre.. I think most would agree he’s reached his ceiling.. although his arm is better then Pierre’s..
Superstar like David Wright? I highly doubt…
Probably because Gomez is closer to being major league ready than FMart.
Yeah, but my understanding of upside is “potential”. From what I’ve read, F-Mart has more potential to be an All-Star than Gomez.
Well, you could argue that F-mart and Gomez both have the tools to become great major league hitters, but Gomez also has the speed and the defensive ability to be an all-around superstar, not just a slugger.
The thing about Gomez is that his hitting isn’t quite there yet.. and as baseball america put it:
“Hitting will be the last tool to develop for Gomez”
No doubt if he finds his stroke that he could be a very good baseball player
I dont f**king care about years, money ect.. Just get him here
Even if they make the trade, there’s a lot of nail biting ahead…
Why leak this out? Just say ” seven no problem”, then negotiate down after that. Why not make it clear that you are open to an option for a six year, rather then draw a line at 5 years without a formal parlay. Thats just dumb, but I don’t know if Hayman is telling the truth.
If they don’t offer six I will be very very pissed off. I am a very pro-mets-management guy, but come on. Don’t be silly.
If this turns out to be the sticking point in negotiations that end up with the Mets losing Santana, I’m throwing a kitten out a 10 story window.
Do it Omar….do it for the kittens.
That is the funniest thing I have heard all day. I think its a great snap shot of what we all are feeling.
I’m torn here…I hate cats but love Johan. Decisions, decisions.
Yeah, but sources say that Johan loves cats.
Oh my! Funny stuff! OMAR do what the man says! Please for the love of G-D get the deal done…and the man spares the life of a kitten. Please Omar…p-p-p-please!
Why can’t the Mets do 6 years 150mil.? Can they insure him for 5 years and maybe reinsure half way through the deal?
You would think so.
Would Johan rather have 5/120 or 7/140?
Verrry hard to insure pitcher’s arms on a long deal now…
Mets will match the Red Sox’s offer, but the Sox’s offer will be guaranteed while the Mets’ offer will vest only if his back is healthy.
Okay, time to pray,….
In the name of the Agee, the Koosman, and the Holy Mookie:
Hail Mr. Met, face full of stitches. ‘The Franchise’ is with Thee. Blessed are you among Mascots, and Blessed is the fruit of thy cheering, the Metropolitans. Holy Mr. Met, father of David Wright, pray for us fans, now and at the hour of our nail-biting during Wagner’s appearances. Amen.
Say that ten times while thinking of a Johan in a Mets uniform and then pray….
Our Bob Murphy, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy voice. Thy Happy Recap come, thy patented home run calls be done at Shea as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily Wright heroics, and forgive us our boos of the oppostion as we forgive the Burrells and Chippers who trespass against us, and lead us not back into the Art Howe era; but deliver us from Yankee fans. For the radio booth, the fans, and the “Happy Recap” are yours now and forever. Amen.
In the name of the “Franchise”, the “Mex”, and the Holy Piazza, Amen
That was pretty good…thanks for the laugh!
that was great… If you chose anyone but Bob Murphy it would have been blasphemous.
Your cow-orkers should be worried about lightening strikes.
That said; Nice Parody!
the next time you’re reciting the prayer with the original words, and you accidentally slip in one of these verses, realize and chuckle, the people in the pews near you won’t be pleased
Love the Mets prayer. Enjoyed that, You def put some time into it.
Truly one of the best, well-written and thought out posts in MetsBlog history. Well done.
Annnnnd we say as one….
AAAAAAAAAAmen…….
gipper
Thanks for the laughs
Amen!
Very very excellent!!
if money stands in the way, i will never feel the same toward the wilpons…
Also 100% agree. DONT GET CHEAP ON US AGAIN UNCLE FREDDIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Wilpons MUST give him six, seven….whatever it takes….After the collapse and raising the hell out of ticket prices…..just get him here!!!!!!
The 5/22 thing makes sense. insurance becomes an issue when talking about 7 years, so make it 5 at almost the same total ask and you’re set.
In theory. Here’s hoping….
He’s on with “The fat man and the stupid puppy” right now…
Thanks! Needed that.
I can hear them shaking in Philadelphia…
that’s just the detoxification
I’ve never seen a city where every hockey jersey is TIGHT on fans like you see in Philly…
Tastycake—
Just be glad you weren’t there for the “Zubaz” era.
God help us all…
My company is moving to Philly in June they were trying to sell us on how Philly is better then NY blah blah blah and one of the things was Tasty Cakes.
Are you kidding me? Tasty Cakes. Fat bunch of A-Holes. It is a good thing I got another job because I would end up with a murder rap on my hands if I moved to that god forsaken city.
Tastykakes are actually not bad, as disgusting artificial pastries with a troublingly long shelf life go. They’re also good for stuffing into the pie-hole of an obnoxious, fairweather Phillies’ fan pretending he didn’t jump on the bandwagon in mid-September.
I was at the last Rangers-Flyers game the other week at the Garden and a few sections over from my seats there was a section of the usual obnoxious Philly fans. One of them was absolutely blimp-like.
After the Flyers put the finishing touches on a rout of the Rangers and their fans were acting like it was the same as winning a playoff game (the Flyers actually have one of the longer current Cup droughts in the NHL), their fans really got into it. The remaining Rangers crowd starting chanting at the morbidly obese guy: “You Need Slimfast!”
If Santana signs, I am going to celebrate with a cheesesteak :D
Heavy on the cheese-whiz!
i heard the tomahawks dropping in atlanta
Wagner is crapping his pants thinking of how many more games he’s going to blow now.
i can feel myself shaking….please dont screw this up omar
Anyone else think the comment below was a little strange:
” if the Mets end up agreeing to a trade with the Twins for Santana”
Wait, the METS have to end up agreeing to a trade with the TWINS? Ummm… shouldn’t it be the other way around, is this a subconcious statement by Heyman/Cerrone, do they know too much?
Yes, they do . . . ;-)
EASY! This is akin to what Matt was talking about in the last post. Don’t try to read too much into any little inflection or subtle choice of words.
Frankly, I can’t get too excited about the deal until I see Santana on the mound and Jimmy Rollins throwing his bat in disgust. Until then, the only wins this will have given us are on glossy pages of season previews. And, if it doesn’t go down, I won’t be too heartbroken, because we’ve all seen the Mets abandon youth movements before, and we’ve seen where it got them. . . .
shuttup naysayer
Naysayer!?!!? You guys are going to be the ones dumping on Mets management if the deal doesn’t go down. Just looking for more excuses to boo. Frankly, acting like trade talk is a game is kind of pathetic — like those fans who wear jerseys to the NFL draft.
If Santana becomes a Met. he will be at a minimum, a 22 game winner with 250+ K’s – Take it to the bank and Rollins won’t be the only one scratching his head.
Frankly, I’d be satisfied with a lot fewer wins, as long as he stops a few losing streaks in there and has his bulldog on for Game 1 of the NLDS.
And let’s not set unrealistic expectations for the guy, like the daft Twins’ fan who predicted he would AVERAGE 22 wins for the next seven years. By way of comparison, Grag Maddux has never won more than 20 games, and has only hit 20 twice.
Does anyone know how long the delay is from 660 to their stream on wfan.com?
gipper I’m dying from laughter over here!!!
I don’t think it will come down to money. If the Mets will not going to pay Santana then why would they be in the running for him? You would think they would just pull out because they can’t reach Santana’s demand.
I don’t want to friggin hear about any damn insurance. They’re going to get 20 mil/YR from CitiCorp just for naming rights not to mention all the other revenue that will be falling from the sky. Spend the cot damn money and more money will come your way, Freddie!!!
The Mets are getting money from Citi, so they should possibly throw away 20 million a year? If the Mets can’t get insurance on a 7 year deal and Johan gets hurt, the lose $20 million/year he is hurt. Obviously, it makes more sense to give him a 5 year deal that is insured, and pay him $23-25 million per year. It’s called insurance for a reason.
I think what will happen with the negotiations is the Mets will Offer Santana 5 years, 120 million (24 per) with 2 easily vesting options for a 6th and 7th year (Such as pitching 140 Innings in Year 5). That way they can say to the insurance companies that it’s only a 5 year contract and Santana will be well compensated for the gamble of turning the last two years into option years.
yup…Thats what I was thinking as well..Depending on the vesting option, they have a slight hedge, should Santana get hurt early in the contract.
It’s probably not happening today.
This site is going down should we land him in the next hour and a half… Matt hope you juiced up them servers! Or blogharbor took care of it for ya :)
So, Olney is basically verifying Francessa’s coment that the Twins still were holding out for Reyes.
It’s not going to happen, but it seems that they still were insisting on having Reyes in the deal.
Bill Smith is in way over his head here, if he ever thought he could get Reyes. At least he dreams big.
mentioning reyes is just olney acting like fatcessa…they are both yankee shills…
Johan pays for himself…not figuritively…but you know…marketing.
How much wood can a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?
Answer: Johan Santana
If the Mets and Twins hammer out a deal for players and both sides agree … I would find it very hard to believe that the Mets would let money stand in the way. After this tumultuous Santana soap opera, there is no way money will be an object in getting him signed.
Agreed, Mikey. I just wrote the same thing below. It would be suicide for Omar and the Wilpons to get Johan in a trade and then let money or years be the hangup.
They will work it out one way or another if Mr. Smith decides to get off of the pot and choose the Mets.
Exactly! No team in their right mind would go through all of this, just to have a limit on how much money they will give the guy. If they make the trade, he will get signed. I hope the reports are true about him possibly getting off the pot very soon…
think about negotiations…
if you’re greenberg, you probably walk in and say, okay, give us what we want or the deal is off.
not much leverage for the mets. the floated rumor that the mets will only go to 5 years is probably a way for the mets to get to a 6 year deal.
Yup, shoot low, end up somewhere in the middle.
Can someone summarize recent Mike and Dog talk with Heyman, I just logged in to the web feed, but obv. we dont get YES here in Scotland.
http://www.wfan.com
You don’t need to tune in to the Yankee channel to listen…
yea ive got the feed on my internet, but it seems ive missed all santana talk as they are moving toward discussing J Kidd and Mike’s dead brother.
you can access the interview on the sidebar under M and MD audio
I seriously doubt that money or years will put the kabosh on a Mets trade for Johan. They will work it out eventually. I am confident of that. The Mets would not have stayed in this thing this long if they weren’t prepared to be flexible on the 5-years.
They should offer him 6 years at $22 million per. That’s fair and if I’m Johan, I insist on 6 years up till the very end of the window. If Zito gets more than 5 years, certainly Johan should. Whatever it is, they will eventually come to terms.
So please, stop worrying about the Wilpons. They will spend the money.
let’s not forget one thing when talking about zito. zito was a FA, so when he signed a 7 year deal, it was for a true 7 year period. johan is signed through 2008, i.e. he has one year already. so, a 6 year contract extension equates to a 7 year deal. the money will eclipse zito’s deal and the years will be the same, so he shouldn’t worry about matching/beating zito.
This comment from Olney just blows me away. It seems like such credible information until he says:
“so long as the Twins backed off their insistence that shortstop Jose Reyes be included in the deal”
That hasn’t been an issue for months, so how can we put any credence in the rest of his comment.
Francesa probably asked him to do him a solid and mention Reyes, so he didn’t look like such an idiot….
That’s a lost cause….
i hope we get santana :)
why is smith out of his mind for thinking he can get a reyes-caliber player?
if Johan was under contract for 3-4 more yrs, we wouldnt stand a chance at getting him bcuz we would be blow out of the water with other offers …
although, i guess if he was under contract they wouldnt trade him =/
wheres the stoopid freddie coupons comments now?
umm…if the mets don’t sign JS after completing a trade, all you will hear for the rest of the ownership tenure of the wilpons is freddy coupons.
refresh..refresh..refresh..refresh..refresh..refresh..refresh
same here, metsblog is the only site ive looked at for the past 4 hours
How does this insurance thing work? Is it for the life of the contract or can it be for part of it. In other words if you can’t get more than 5 years insurance can the Mets offer him the 6/135 and just insure 5 years of it? I would frontload it as well. Something like 26 million for 4 years and then finish it off with 15.5 a year for the last 2 with team options for the same at the end.
I believe the problem would be on insuring the last couple of years of the contract. If an agency was willing to insure a five year contract, I don’t see why they wouldn’t be willing to insure the first five years of a 7 year contract (although they might have a limit to stop you from frontloading). Still, the last two years are the most risky in terms of injury, so I’d support a five year deal for more money and then options based on innings.
As would all of us but I am guessing Santana wants guarnteed. That is why I am saying the 6 year extension and a team option. If we can insure 5 of it then it’s not that much money lost. It’s a roll of the dice anyway. If Santana is still even above average in 5 years he will cost much more than 22 million based on the market.
Now comes the punch in the balls from Young Hankenstein…
I can taste it…….
what, his d*ck, or the cheeseburger???
there have been many very funny lines in here today but this one provoked the longest loudest laugh out of me. Kudos!
Do it Rockapella!
Do the Mets have “THE” best offer on the table or “THEIR” best offer on the table?
Well she’ll ransack Pakistan and run a scam in Scandanavia, then she’ll stick em up down under while she goes pick pocket Perth, She put the miss in Misdameaner when she stole the beans from Lima….
COME THE F ON
3:59pm, the first time of MANY to come that metsblog.com goes down…
Luckily.. I refreshed, and 20 seconds later we’re back up!!
Mine went down about 10 min ago..this is gonna be some couple of days
LETS DO THIS . . . .I’m salivating, but don’t want to go to the Yankees part of my office just yet.
Its like being in a sprinters stance waitiing for the gunshot.
i can’t live like this
This is hilarious.
I’ve read a lot of hilarious comments in this thread and others, but man, that takes the cake.
You’re my hero.
Oh man it is really getting close. Olney says “it is close at 3:50 PM and the Mets have the best offer on the table.” as reported by Matt.
My heart is pounding I’m so excited. I guess Santana pushed as Matt said he would have to do for Smith to move on this. I can’t believe it ………..but we have to wait until the deal is Official and the mets agree on some money with Santana.
I cannot think about anything going wrong and jinx this. Think positive thoughts. Think positive thoughts. Think positive thoughts. Think positive thoughts.
Update = yes.
With this much buzz, this has to be almost a done deal! Please!
matt, tell us everything you know right now, stop being conservative!!!
Santana: Wrap it up B…
BS: What?
Santana: Read the sign it says WRAP IT UP and get me the eff outta here.
lol good chapppelle reference
Nice Chappelle reference.
On some small level isnt this is why its so great to be a die-hard fan of a team? I hate this process just as much as everyone else, but in todays messed up world how many things TRULY bring perfect strangers together. Its obvious that many Americans couldnt give a crap about this country. Most people have no loyalty to their employers. Yet here we are, in January on a baseball blog, 150-200 posts every 30 mins just to see if there is any updates on a player most of us have seen pitch maybe once. All because we HAVE to know the minute it goes down. All because we all know maybe this will be the piece that will finally get us OUR championship that we will be able to share with each other forever….
Maybe I’m a sap….but its cool to be a part of something so alive and dymanic.
Now…..GO GET JOHAN!!!…..
I would say it shows misplaced priorites and all that is wrong with society but I would be full of sh*t! GET JOHAN NOW!
ESPN also says “Mets the favorite IF the Twins trade Santana.” So I guess the Twins may still keep him. But if Santana really is pushing for a trade then the Twins have to trade him now.
Push Santana. You’re almost there. I can see the Division Pennant. You’re doing great, Johan. Just a few more wins. Yes, we’re in the World Series. Okay now. Take a deep breath and Push hard. One more win. Oh my god, the Mets win the world series. Congatulations!! Wait, hold on there’s something else. Your a proud owner of a third Cy Young Award.
Isn’t it great. Nine months ago you were just a gleam in the eyes of all metsblog.com. And today we celebrate the birth of a dynasty.
Matt’s been saying it all along. Santana would be the end-all voice with regards to a trade. He pressured the Twins and they buckled. Let’s just hope it was our package Smith ultimately agreed to. According to ESPN it is.
My hear rate is in danger of flat lining.
Not tryin to be a Debbie Downer over here bit isnt it sad how we’ve become a slave to this site???
Bill Smith owes me a beer.
During his show intro Michael Kay just said the Mets are going to acquire Johan Santana…he is going to have Buster Olney on shortly…
Olney on Michael Kay 1050 ESPN Radio in minutes on Santana-Mets.
Please Johan, Please come to Queens!! I’ve literally done nothing at work besides hit RE f’n FRESH!
Kay is saying its pretty much done
Are you guys lying or did he really say that?
OMG dies to get espn 1050 on
Mets the front-runner? Sources say N.Y. has best Santana offer
top story on espn
Im going to cry
OMG IS THIS SERIOUS
kay just said that “buster olney is coming on soon and he feels tha tthe mets will be getting johan VERY shortly”
ON USA TODAY GO TO THE WEBSITE
Watch out folks — sometimes outlets jump the gun in the battle to break the story
kay just said it is not done.
USA Today has confirmed it. Mets gave up Gomez, Phil Humber, Guerra and Mulvey.
buster olney is going to be on 1050 after the break i think
OMG OMG USA TODAY
Bob Nitengale from USA Today says it is done. 4 prospects no FMart in the deal
Wow — no F-Mart in the deal, IF TRUE, would be glorious. Kind of odd that they went for so much pitching, but I guess they’re figuring at least one bona fide stater ought to emerge from those three. . . . Again, IF. TRUE.
Bob Nightengale, very respected reported for USA Today says it’s donzo. Can’t post the link but go to USA TODAY . com and go to sports
Holy SH*T!!!!! Is this really true!!
not done yet…period.
Not until its on the Mets website will I believe this!
Not until its on the Mets website will I believe this!
Santana is the ultimate marble rye. . . .
If only we could just grab him out of the hands of an old woman…it would be so much easier
I’d help Johan move his furniture to NY, I’m THAT comfortable with him at this point…
For Johan … any soup he wants, however he wants to order it.
Shut up you old bag!
UPDATES TO THE UPDATES!!!…..Jesus F’n Christ….
Ill do whatever you want. Just end this or me. Eiher one is fine at this point……
Like the bum in Menace II Society…..
“I’ll suck your d*ck man…..just help me out….”
Anyone want a cheeseburger?!?
i think the acid just kicked in
church will be more than adequate…we need a left fielder under the age of ancient…thank goodness for endy
Yup it’s true
What is he bashing them about?
Sorry we don’t have an ace like Wang to enable such a cavalier attitude towards the best pitcher in baseball ;-)