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…in my limited experience, whenever a big-market deal gets to the perceived eleventh-hour – such as this situation involving Johan 
Santana – a whole lot of innuendo and suggestion becomes public…some seems logical, some doesn’t, some seems true, and some doesn’t…
…as best i can tell, people who are connected to the teams and players get giddy, they get creative, they get strategic, some get nervous, agents get active, some get quiet and some get chatty, all while reporters, and ‘pretend reporters,’ bloggers, friends of front-office types, friends of friends of front-office types, etc, all rush to beat one another to the headline and so they can take credit for being right and being first to be right…and the whole thing starts to get really, really messy and tedious for the rest of us…
…in fact, i have been getting bombarded with e-mails from fellow fans, all of whom seemingly ‘know a guy who knows a guy,’ sending me information about potential deals being done, and who’s in and who’s out, and it all gets quite confusing…i see these same e-mails being posted on message boards and other blogs, as well…for what it’s worth, i tend to keep it all to myself…but, the funny thing is that some of these fans are far more informative and correct than many reporters in the mainstream press, which is always fun to see…nevertheless, it’s tough to wade through it and determine what is fact or fiction…
…the point is, as we get closer and closer to a potential deal for santana, keep all of the above in mind…i mean, every body thinks they have the most trusted source, every one thinks they know what’s what…however, the fact is, there are only a few key people who actually know what they’re talking about and, if they’re worth their salt, they’re probably not saying a whole lot anyway – be it on or off the record…
…so, be patient, be skeptical and be on the lookout…
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Metsblog broke my refresh key, you heard it here first!
guess they didn’t find it funny…
I know
great post…
Absolutely. Words of wisdom … thank you Matthew …
certainly a good post by cerrone, but honestly at this point asking us to be patient is ridiculous.
The most trusted sources for a final answer:
1. Santana
2. Mets brass
3. Twins brass
4. Santana’s agent
Euphemistically speaking…
Keep it in your pants folks. You’ll find out soon enough.
He||, I wouldn’t believe it until I see a picture of Santana holding up a Mets jersey.
It wasn’t that long ago where everyone was sure that a deal had gone through for Torrealba from the Rockies, and it crashed right before our eyes.
Wait for the official press release. Anything before that is subject to change.
matt, can you just dump the good emails (without contact info) into a file so we can all read them?
i can’t keep refreshing all day
I feel I must break this news first…
I am the son of John Santana.
who the hell is JOHN Santana?
his dad
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO
matt: the voice of reason.
You’re right Matt.
I have NO idea if my source is good, but I’m of the understanding you may even know him. (I will not say who it is)
It is crazy, exciting, and I’m blowing off my company move (I should be be packing up a business!!!) because this is like crack.
I hope that this is done today . . . it’s too stressful!
I know a guy who posts on Metsblog.com that says he knows a guy who… nevermind.
I think it is fair to let everyone know.
The Mets are still playing in Shea this year.
.. a friend of a farmer just gave me the inside scoop – this is the most traffic metsbog has recieved in 1 day..am I right Matt?
I’ve been on since this morning constantly refreshing as well.
either way, i think i’m going to schedule a massage for this evening.
and hopefully geico sportsnite will give you a happy ending
i was wondering what form the inevitable joke about a “happy ending” would take. that was a pretty good one.
Matt especially since your affiliation with SNY the sources I trust most are yours
I can state with the utmost confidence that the Mets have pulled their offer for Rafael Santana.
And I know this because I share a dentist with the former shortstop.
I can beat that.
I go to the same optometrist who has treated Omar, and during the last examination, he gazed into Omar’s soul and found out that he will do whatever it takes to get Santana.
IF….this deal happens… im gonna get hammered and order like santana jerseys for all my friends. I’m going to be so releived when this is over. I can finally go back to living normally.
the 11th hour
of the 11th day
of the 11th month
of the 11th year….
this is the worst smarch ever!
Lousy Smarch weather!
Don’t any of you realize the THE GIANTS ARE IN THE PHUKING SUPER BOWL?!!!!!!
Mets-Jets
and Yankees-Giants.
Who cares?
As a Mets-Giants I do
One of the most widely told myths out there…
Agreed. I grew up near Shea, and most football fans are Giants fans.
Met’s – Jets
Yanks- Giants is not a myth
It also seems… Long Island Mets Fans are Jets Fans. Since the Jets played at Shea and practice in Hempstead.
Are there Mets Fans who are Giants Fans.. of course
It’s not a myth if you’re over 65….
I know just as many Mets/Giants and Yankees/Jets people as I do Mets/Jets and Yankees/Giants.
Plus, the Jets-Giants rivalry is not as pronounced as the Mets-Yankees. Both the Jets and the Giants have a pretty similar history and both have been around the same amount of time. There’s no “little brother/big brother” dynamic going on.
I’m a Giants fan, but when the Jets were in the playoffs a few years back, I was rooting for them. I could never do that for the Yankees.
That’s pretty much the way I see it too, X22. The Yankees and Isles are the two NY teams I could never root for…
the Giants were one of the earliest NFL teams, the Jets an AFL franchise that joined the leauge in the merger. Giants been around WAAAAY longer. I mean my God they have to play their games in Giants Stadium, if that’s not little brother I don’t know what is.
I think the fact that they will “share” the new stadium with the corporate naming rights should alter that perception somewhat. Though, the Giants will still have the history on their side.
The Giants run a classy orginization, the Yankees don’t. They think they do, but they don’t. Brass and wood does not make you classy. Steinbrenner does not equal Willington Mara. That is why its easy for Mets fans to be Giants fans.
Totally agreed….
When you have to remind yourself how much class you have, you normally have none.
How the Yankees can preach “class” out one side of their mouth while robbing the city of parkland out of the other is truly mind-boggling…..
Who?
how can we not, but i would imagine that any fan dedicated to the mets so much that they spend hours a day checking in on metsblog is probably a bigger baseball/met fan than they are a football/giants fan.
in fact, i wonder how people would vote in the following poll:
you can only have one outcome:
1) santana to the mets
or
2) giants win super bowl
It would be a good poll but not on this forum, i think the results would be a bit skewed.
How about this?
If the Giants win the Superbowl, I would be less upset at our so so rotation.
If the Giants lose, and we get Johan, I will not be upset if the Giants lose.
If the Giants get blown out, I will be pissed no matter what my Mets do.
Def the Giants winning the SuperBowl. They won’t be there for another 7 years. If they win, their playoff run has to go down as one of the greatest come from behind, underdog stories ever.
The Mets are still a good team without Johan. But I’ll be glad when we have him.
I’ll take both
Some good points.
Though, I kind of like it when a little football/hockey/hoops talk gets thrown in from time to time. It’s a nice diversion and provides a little more depth to some of the people behind the usernames.
you have to go SB victory, if the raiders were in the super bowl id rather them win that than the mets get santana. id rather have a championship than the possiblity of a championship. santana gaurantees nothing but higher merchandise sales, a championship is a championship.
who, what?
The Giants were able to distract me from this Santana mess, but being that its D-day on this thing, I guess I don’t need to hear about what Osi listens to on game day to get him pumped. Or hear Tom Coughlin try squeeze in the word “team work” as many times as possible when answering a question.
That said Here We Giants Here We Go! Clap! Clap!
Go on Giantsblog then!
Lets go Giants!! Super Bowl baby Super Bowl!
alright no more caffine.
there is baseball, and then there is all other sports
Amen to that!
that is the truth.
there is apples, and then there is oranges
Omar will prove his worth today….
My sister’s boyfriend’s aunt’s stepdaughter’s cousin’s mother in law’s brother’s 3rd wife is Johann’s 5th cousin in Venezuela. She says a deal to the Mets is done.
hahaha i hope we know before johans 5th cousin or else matt is just not doing his job.
And why are we so certain it’s ending toady?
And also…Santana rumors pwns NY Football Giants.. Sorry.
Is the toady your referring to Grover Dill?
My best friend’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who’s going with a girl who saw Johan pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it’s pretty serious……
haha, nice ferris reference.
Thanks Simone
when johan was in egypt’s land……..
let my johan gooooooo.
Johan… Johan… Johan… Johan…
My father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin is Johan’s former college roommate, and he says that the deal is set, and Johan is coming to Queens
Save Johan! LOL…
My 6 month old daughter woke me up at 3:30 this morning.. I was actually happy because I could check to see if anything had happend on the Santana front..
.. I am in serious jeopardy of losing my job for lack of productivity, and I dont care, because of Santana…
As exciting as this sounds, my understanding is that the Mets can’t talk contract with Santana until and unless they agree to terms with the Twins. We assume that the Twins will grant the usual 72 hour window for negotiating. However, if Santana is absolutely stuck on 7 years at $25 mill per, and the Mets won’t bite, the deal could still evaporate. So let’s all just take a breath. And keep hoping.
They’ll split the difference – 6 yrs/120 or something to that effect…
Patient…I’ve been waiting for months now….lets get this thing done!
Phuck Philly….and phuck patience…
He who hesitates…well you know….
Hopefull Bill Smith will have to live with that motto for eternity….
Wow … look it here, a blogger calling out other sources as “pretend reporters!!!” Matt Cerrone the man who’s dedicated a whole section to Johan Santana rumors is now the calm during the storm. Aren’t we lucky …
You’re an idiot
Yes, we are pretty damn lucky, as a matter of fact.
I’d say so. The alternative is the blog getting updated about every 5 days or Citi Field type posts which always brings out the “must be a slow news day” birds. Which way would you rather have it?
Sometimes I think people talk just to hear their heads rattle….
it’s also true that when it gets to this stage: mets fans get extremely angry if it doesn’t get done. if it’s not happening it would have been much better for the mets ownership and executive to deny it all along.
fingers crossed.
I can’t imagine how CRUSHED we’d be if they made the deal and then couldn’t sign him.
Does anyone know if they would announce a trade prior to a 5-7 year deal being worked out with the new team?
I think the fact that the deal is done and the window is open is a pretty public thing, I think we’d know beforehand.
They wouldn’t, but I’m sure it would start leaking with decent sources by then.
What if the trade goes through, but Johan and the Mets can’t come to terms with a contract within that 48-hour window or whatever it may be… Do the Mets get bamboozled of their prospects and possibly lose Johan to free agency next year, or does the trade come back around, as if nothing happened?
As if nothing happened, just a bunch of unhappy prospects (and maybe Aaron Heilaman and Ryan Church–but then again, what’s different about an angry Aaron Heilman?)
he tends to be more effective when he has that angry bulldog face anyway
My very trusted source inside the Mets organization sent me the following email today
“I like corn”.
That is all. Intrepret.
I got a good laugh out of that
I work across the street from the SNY studios…I was out at lunch at Del Friscos today and I ran into Mr. Met in the Men’s room….He was butt wasted.
I mean he could not hold his very, very large head up anymore….but in his drunken stooper he told me that Johan was on his way to Shea because Johan’s kids were huge Mr. Met fans and Johan was not going to disappoint his kids.
I asked him if Johan’s kids had him confused with the Pillsbury Dough Boy…..he took a swing at me…so I had to get out of there…but not before getting the low down on Johan.
You have to approach drunk mascots very slowly.
especially Orbit the Astros mascot. I was sitting in the ‘dome sipping a beer in ‘93 and Orbit came over, sat down next to me, put his arm around me and asked me for a swig of my beer. Also he reeked of body odor. Bad experience all around.
TEXAS
wow thats hiliarious.
I also work near SNY studios…I just ran out to Starbucks on 53rd where I saw Fred Wilpon and Gary Cohen attempting to sober up Mr. Met in the back of the joint. You could hear Omar on the cell phone screaming ‘No mas Senor Met!’ but he didnt seem to care…he said ‘Jo…Jo…Yo-something is comin!…I dont give a F##k who knows it or where I take a leak Coupons’…he then stood up asked Gary ‘you think you’re better than me or something?’…then tried to make out with the girl behind the counter before passing out.
i hope Mrs. Met and the little Mets don’t get wind of this
Ken Rosenthal is one of my two dads and besides being used as a bad joke to reference a 1980’s television show he has also told me that Johan Santana is being traded to the Royals straight up for Brian Bannister as the Twins believe Bannister is Tom Seaver in the making
I guess Omar screwed us again….
What would you rather, Mets get Santana (relatively cheap) or Ginats win the Super Bowl??
Id rather not read that comment for the 80th time today
i already asked that question above…mixed response.
i’d rather have santana lead the giants to super bowl victory
WHERE IS FIREMETSMANAGEMENT
maybe banned
under new management
santana. for 7 years
Mets get santana, baseball is the only sport that matters, all the rest are pretenders.
Being patient is soooo December.
Ok.. All the “my brother’s nephews mother’s daughter’s friend” comments or “I know somebody who told me something unimportant” jokes are just annoying now. We got the joke the first 20 times. Apply that rapier wit to getting the original posters of the rumors to give up some more information.
I don’t see how people letting off some steam with an attempt at humor can translate those efforts into becoming a detective. If anything, the person who complains about the humor is the one better suited to pursue the direction you are annoyingly delegating.
agreed.. also letting off steam at the attempts
Who gets the breaking news first? ESPN or this site? Like in the past,who put it out first?
I bet ESPN already has the story written, minus the names. Hopefully Matt does too :)
yes, who could ever forget:
“Congratulations Boston Red Sox 1986 World Series Champions” on the Shea scoreboard”
Santana > NY Football Giants.
2007-08 NY Football Giants = 2006-2007 Cleveland Cavailers.
Both the worst teams to ever appear in their sport’s championship.
The difference, one team has one of the greatest to ever play (LBJ when it’s all said and done) and the other has a bus driving QB whose incredible luck over the past 3 games and the weak NFC has landed him in the superbowl.
Johan is the greatest.
Wow you’re a Cowboys-Mets fan? That’s a weird combo!
GO BIG BLUE!
I’m a 49er-Mets fan.
Beat that.
Dolphins-Mets … Is there any worse combo?
I’m Mets-9ers
I’m a Mets-Raiders fan.
I win.
YES, anything non New York just show you were a bandwagon NFL fan growing up with no loyalty to your local teams. Go elsewhere please. The only reason you are probably Met fans is that they were good when you were growing up say 86….
Um, didn’t the Giants win a super bowl around that time too?
Giants win Super Bowl in 86. Mets followed up by winning the World Series same year. Would love to see it happen again this year.
Actually I grew up outside of NY and became a Mets fan watching the 1969 World Series as a kid, while home sick from school.
Regardless of what I am, I noticed you didn’t disagree with my assessment.
HAHA I won’t care what anyone’s assessment is if they pull off one more win. Greatest underdog playoff run ever? You betcha!
Now if New England gets the Super Bowl AND Johan, I will be a broken shell of myself this time next week.
Wow, people don’t really see the transformation of Eli Manning happening before their eyes….you’re missing out.
***ATTENTION***
THE LITTLE VOICES INSIDE MY HEAD TELL ME THAT THE SANTANA DEAL IS DONE !!!!!!
DEAL IS JOHAN SANTANA FOR BENNY AGBAYANI AND A BUSHEL OF TOMATOES FROM JOHN FRANCO’S BULLPEN GARDEN !!!!
Matt, if this happens, you deserve a nice long vacation man. Seriously, you’re the one person keeping this winter alive for Met fans.
Get Johan for Matt!
Holy cow, Matt got traded!
Hey, if throwing Matt in the package means we get keep Martinez, I’m all for it.
I love you Matt, but get packin’ …
In the closing words of Dan Rather: courage. Courage, gentlemen. Perseverence. And be strong.
and that’s the way it is
NO NEED FOR GIANT HATING HERE. TAKE THAT NOISE ELSEWHERE CHUMP.
Jump on the wagon Jets fans!
Matt – no update in 45 minutes? C’mon, not even just to say, the Johan situation might be finished today or might be finished in ten days? or the Twinkies might keep him?
Oh wait… that has been the premise of this site since the winter meetings… my bad!
And there’s no need for Giants love here either. Like the posters above “there’s baseball and then theres everything else.” Take the big blue wagon to the jets… i mean giants message board.
I’m a Mets-Titans Fan.
Who here agrees that the Mets should wear their Blue Hats and home pinstripes more often? I hate the all whites
100% agree
Hooray! Yankees bow out for Johan according to Heyman in Wfan 20 20 report.
See ya tomorrow, Hank…..
In other Santana news, Carlos is launching his world tour in February…
you heard it here first
im sure every red sox and yankees blog is filled with people who know a guy that know a guy that heard from their girlfriends cousins neighbor that johan santana has been traded to their favorite team.
Hey Im a Thrashers-Bucks fan!!! Anyway, if the Mets land Santana and the Giants make the Pats faithful cry Im gonna do a summer sault off my freakin cubicle wall…
Don’t you mean a wicked summersault?
I’m a football sucks fan.
Dont worry the mets are going to land santana later today and everyone in major league baseball will go crazy lol (look at my post time for the joke)
Do they have to make the Los a permanent part of the Jersey in order for you to sign?
He’d probably call us Los Metros, as some spanish language papers do.
whatever it takes.