Comments on: Interview: Prospects Heading to Minnesota http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jamie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88805 jamie Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:13:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88805 part of the reason I had no problem giving up our minor league pitchers is that we seemingly never develop them to their potential . (apologies to heilman and feliciano) part of the reason I had no problem giving up our minor league pitchers is that we seemingly never develop them to their potential . (apologies to heilman and feliciano)

]]> By: Constnza81V2.0 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88803 Constnza81V2.0 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:13:07 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88803 I tend to think the issues are more on the development side. I think people want to kill the Mets for their actual draft choices, but I hesistate. As has been said in the past, Pelfrey was considered bar-none, the best pitcher in the draft when they took him. A guy like Mulvey wasn't on anyone's radar screen when he was drafted but looked good enough to drum up interest and eventually be a chip that brought us a significant player. Everyone criticized Joe Smith's selection in the 3rd round, but he showed he was ML ready in less than a year. That's not bad considered how much a Middle reliever who can potentially post an ERA under 4 can net in the open market. The problem is the Mets rush their high-celiing prospects to the point of regression (Pelfrey) and they hold back their lower ceiling guys until they lose all possible value and usefulness (Humber, Bannister, Owens). Yes the system would be better if they drafted overslot more, looked in other international markets besides Latin America, but I think the money and attention really needs to spent on developing these kids, because as GWG mentions, far too many who are regarded lowly in our system, are experiencing success elsewhere and some farmhands we've acquired that had potential (Vargas, Ben Johnson) have flopped. I tend to think the issues are more on the development side. I think people want to kill the Mets for their actual draft choices, but I hesistate. As has been said in the past, Pelfrey was considered bar-none, the best pitcher in the draft when they took him. A guy like Mulvey wasn’t on anyone’s radar screen when he was drafted but looked good enough to drum up interest and eventually be a chip that brought us a significant player. Everyone criticized Joe Smith’s selection in the 3rd round, but he showed he was ML ready in less than a year. That’s not bad considered how much a Middle reliever who can potentially post an ERA under 4 can net in the open market.

The problem is the Mets rush their high-celiing prospects to the point of regression (Pelfrey) and they hold back their lower ceiling guys until they lose all possible value and usefulness (Humber, Bannister, Owens). Yes the system would be better if they drafted overslot more, looked in other international markets besides Latin America, but I think the money and attention really needs to spent on developing these kids, because as GWG mentions, far too many who are regarded lowly in our system, are experiencing success elsewhere and some farmhands we’ve acquired that had potential (Vargas, Ben Johnson) have flopped.

]]> By: vja http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88800 vja Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:12:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88800 I could see a $10 million signing bonus (added to this years salary) and a six year extention averaging $22 million per year. That totals $142 million guaranteed plus a vested option based on innings pitched for a seventh year in the $18-20 million range I could see a $10 million signing bonus
(added to this years salary) and
a six year extention averaging $22 million per year.

That totals $142 million guaranteed plus a vested option based on innings pitched for a seventh year in the $18-20 million range

]]> By: jamie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88784 jamie Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:09:26 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88784 short of a cy-young caliber year, I'd be shocked if Ollie got that much. short of a cy-young caliber year, I’d be shocked if Ollie got that much.

]]> By: jamie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88767 jamie Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:06:35 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88767 fair points fair points

]]> By: GravediggerHebner http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88720 GravediggerHebner Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:56:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88720 If I understand this correctly what the press is saying is that Minnesota has had and continues to have excellent scouting, but these same scouts that are so good at drafting players suddenly go blind when observing players in other organizations? Absurd. Perhaps they should take another look the haul Minny got for AJ Pierzynski. Time will tell. If I understand this correctly what the press is saying is that Minnesota has had and continues to have excellent scouting, but these same scouts that are so good at drafting players suddenly go blind when observing players in other organizations? Absurd. Perhaps they should take another look the haul Minny got for AJ Pierzynski. Time will tell.

]]> By: lonman1129 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88715 lonman1129 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:55:21 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88715 What is the word on Angel Calero? He is a young lefty from Venezuela who pitched a no-hitter in short season rookie ball last year. I was wondering if he is on the Mets radar at all. What is the word on Angel Calero? He is a young lefty from Venezuela who pitched a no-hitter in short season rookie ball last year. I was wondering if he is on the Mets radar at all.

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88706 gowrightgo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:53:29 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88706 Also depends on what happens with OPerez. If Ollie gets $17m per...I doubt they play for Sheets or Sabathia. They will likely need a new 1b or LF whichever spot they don't use FMART in. Also depends on what happens with OPerez. If Ollie gets $17m per…I doubt they play for Sheets or Sabathia. They will likely need a new 1b or LF whichever spot they don’t use FMART in.

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88701 gowrightgo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:52:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88701 I guess. I hope they figure it out and commit to a program to do more with what they have. I think the best managers should be littered in the system between low A ball and AA. Those few levels where fundamentals are taught and nurtured and pitches developed etc need the best we have to get more results out of them. Where is Crash Davis to save our Nook Lalooche's I guess. I hope they figure it out and commit to a program to do more with what they have.

I think the best managers should be littered in the system between low A ball and AA. Those few levels where fundamentals are taught and nurtured and pitches developed etc need the best we have to get more results out of them.

Where is Crash Davis to save our Nook Lalooche’s

]]> By: gowrightgo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88694 gowrightgo Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:49:21 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/01/30/interview-prospects-heading-to-minnesota/#comment-88694 My thoughts are you are right. Its obvious that the others chose not to play in the derby for Santana. I do not think it was about fighting it out with each other and raising their cost on prospects to too high a level. Plain and simple.....I think they did not see the value of the player in relation to the contract demand. No doubt that Santana gets at least 5 yrs and $22M per plus his current $13M deal. Yanks are over $210M in salary with like a $60M bite in revenue sharing and luxury taxes. Boston is not quite that high but same idea... It was simply too expensive to do for them so they backed off My thoughts are you are right. Its obvious that the others chose not to play in the derby for Santana.

I do not think it was about fighting it out with each other and raising their cost on prospects to too high a level. Plain and simple…..I think they did not see the value of the player in relation to the contract demand.

No doubt that Santana gets at least 5 yrs and $22M per plus his current $13M deal.

Yanks are over $210M in salary with like a $60M bite in revenue sharing and luxury taxes.

Boston is not quite that high but same idea…

It was simply too expensive to do for them so they backed off

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