Comments on: Opinion: Santana, the Collapse and 2008 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: LetsgoMets1 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94301 LetsgoMets1 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 05:29:03 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94301 If the Mets weren't able to get Johan and had to resort to a signing of Livan or Kyle I wouldn't have liked it but I would still love em and cheer for them, no question. Would I think they're a better team or had a good offseason no, because they wouldn't have had one if Omar didn't get Santana. Kyle Lohse has a lot of talent and great stuff but I don't think he is the No.1 the Mets needed or Livan for that matter too. Santana or Bedard were the only pitchers available that could lift the fans spirits after the end of last season (and the players i think). Go Mets. If the Mets weren’t able to get Johan and had to resort to a signing of Livan or Kyle I wouldn’t have liked it but I would still love em and cheer for them, no question. Would I think they’re a better team or had a good offseason no, because they wouldn’t have had one if Omar didn’t get Santana. Kyle Lohse has a lot of talent and great stuff but I don’t think he is the No.1 the Mets needed or Livan for that matter too.
Santana or Bedard were the only pitchers available that could lift the fans spirits after the end of last season (and the players i think). Go Mets.

]]> By: MetsFan1976 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94296 MetsFan1976 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:41:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94296 I had no doubt that Omar would've done his best to get Santana. If he didn't--and didn't get another top notch starter, like Bedard or Haren--it would not have been for lack of effort. It would have been just because the other teams didn't like what the Mets have to offer. If he didn't have the chips, it wouldn't have been his fault. That being said, if the Mets hadn't gotten the ace they so desperately needed, even if they didn't do anything wrong in the process, I would have a hard time focussing on anything other than the 2007 collapse. There would have been no significant changes, so how could I have much confidence that they would have better results in 2008? Thankfully, I don't have to worry about that now. I had no doubt that Omar would’ve done his best to get Santana. If he didn’t–and didn’t get another top notch starter, like Bedard or Haren–it would not have been for lack of effort. It would have been just because the other teams didn’t like what the Mets have to offer. If he didn’t have the chips, it wouldn’t have been his fault.

That being said, if the Mets hadn’t gotten the ace they so desperately needed, even if they didn’t do anything wrong in the process, I would have a hard time focussing on anything other than the 2007 collapse. There would have been no significant changes, so how could I have much confidence that they would have better results in 2008?

Thankfully, I don’t have to worry about that now.

]]> By: XtraCraziiMets http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94277 XtraCraziiMets Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:39:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94277 i'll be probly pissed off or be angry... i’ll be probly pissed off or be angry…

]]> By: Trumpzilla http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94245 Trumpzilla Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:06:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94245 If they hadn't gotten Johan? I'd have simply stopped watching until the current roster and management was gone. If they hadn’t gotten Johan?

I’d have simply stopped watching until the current roster and management was gone.

]]> By: Danny1986 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94234 Danny1986 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:31:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94234 Let me put a disclaimer on my Willie comments. Willie will be on that Island if the Mets fail and NOT have any major injuries in 2008. Injuries are the single biggest uncontrollable roadblocks to team success, and if a few major ones occur (like the 1987 mets), than I think that will unfortunately cloud the fact that Willie's managing style might work in the Bronx, but doesn't cut it with a younger and historically less disciplined squad in Flushing. I just thought of a great new poll for Cerrone: If Bobby Valentine was the Mets manager, what would have been the outcome these past 2 seasons? I can guarantee one thing....no way in hell does that collpase occur. Don't get me going on Hillary. What an absolutely detestible individual/robot. But you may be surprised to hear that Obama is quite intriguing to Danny1986. So much so that if it were between he and Romney, I may just have to vote for Steve Spagnuolo. Let me put a disclaimer on my Willie comments. Willie will be on that Island if the Mets fail and NOT have any major injuries in 2008. Injuries are the single biggest uncontrollable roadblocks to team success, and if a few major ones occur (like the 1987 mets), than I think that will unfortunately cloud the fact that Willie’s managing style might work in the Bronx, but doesn’t cut it with a younger and historically less disciplined squad in Flushing.

I just thought of a great new poll for Cerrone:

If Bobby Valentine was the Mets manager, what would have been the outcome these past 2 seasons?

I can guarantee one thing….no way in hell does that collpase occur.

Don’t get me going on Hillary. What an absolutely detestible individual/robot. But you may be surprised to hear that Obama is quite intriguing to Danny1986. So much so that if it were between he and Romney, I may just have to vote for Steve Spagnuolo.

]]> By: Phantaroth http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94227 Phantaroth Tue, 05 Feb 2008 00:13:20 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94227 If we had decided to avoid Santana from the beginning of the off season, and never built up the hype of getting him, I'd have been just as content. I think the mets would have been a playoff team either way. Last year was essentially a fluke, and this team would have had a chance to go to the World Series even without Santana. With him, I expect them to get to the World Series with maybe a few less playoff games along the way. If we had decided to avoid Santana from the beginning of the off season, and never built up the hype of getting him, I’d have been just as content. I think the mets would have been a playoff team either way. Last year was essentially a fluke, and this team would have had a chance to go to the World Series even without Santana. With him, I expect them to get to the World Series with maybe a few less playoff games along the way.

]]> By: VegasMet http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94220 VegasMet Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:58:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94220 While the aquisition of Santana is cause for great celebration in MetLand, had Omar been unable to get it done, I would still face the '08 season with optimism that my team had a very good chance to participate in the post-season. We all seem very quick to forget that our team was in 1st place for the entire '07 season, before the sad ending. And it wasn't the great play of the Phils that doomed us to second place. It was our own failures, most notably the pitching. I still feel that a healthy Pedro, followed by Maine and Perez is a top of the rotation to be reckoned with. The bullpen, likewise would be an automatic upgrade if Sanchez can return to his '06 form, and addition by subtraction with the banishment of Mota... Nothing that our division rivals have done has made me think that the Mets couldn't compete for the NL East crown... While the aquisition of Santana is cause for great celebration in MetLand, had Omar been unable to get it done, I would still face the ’08 season with optimism that my team had a very good chance to participate in the post-season.

We all seem very quick to forget that our team was in 1st place for the entire ’07 season, before the sad ending. And it wasn’t the great play of the Phils that doomed us to second place. It was our own failures, most notably the pitching.

I still feel that a healthy Pedro, followed by Maine and Perez is a top of the rotation to be reckoned with. The bullpen, likewise would be an automatic upgrade if Sanchez can return to his ’06 form, and addition by subtraction with the banishment of Mota…

Nothing that our division rivals have done has made me think that the Mets couldn’t compete for the NL East crown…

]]> By: piazzadabm http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94187 piazzadabm Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:54:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94187 Had the Mets not acquired Johan, I would have been very upset. To not improve the team after last year's horrific collapse would have sent a message to me that ownership did not care. Fortunately, Omar orchestrated a great trade and the Wilpons spent the money to keep him here. Shows me that they really care about the fans and are committed to winning. Had the Mets not acquired Johan, I would have been very upset. To not improve the team after last year’s horrific collapse would have sent a message to me that ownership did not care. Fortunately, Omar orchestrated a great trade and the Wilpons spent the money to keep him here. Shows me that they really care about the fans and are committed to winning.

]]> By: Master Neo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94185 Master Neo Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:54:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94185 The only way for people to forget the "Great Depression" is to undergo a big splash at the beginning of the year. I think most fans will forget the horific event if Metana (Mets-Santana) goes at least 7-1 at the All-Star Break. The only way for people to forget the “Great Depression” is to undergo a big splash at the beginning of the year. I think most fans will forget the horific event if Metana (Mets-Santana) goes at least 7-1 at the All-Star Break.

]]> By: dcrockett17 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/opinion-santana-the-collapse-and-2008/#comment-94184 dcrockett17 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:53:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/04/12456/#comment-94184 Oh yeah. I forgot to sign. That comment was from Dave C. S. Carolina Oh yeah. I forgot to sign.

That comment was from

Dave C.
S. Carolina

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