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RHP Livan Hernandez has signed with the Twins.
Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports writes that, according to major league sources, Hernandez will receive a one-year contract in the range of $5 million-$6 million and will include performance-based incentives.
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That’s kind of ironic
Rather ironic that the busiest post today is about another teams signing…
That’s the best news I’ve ever heard.
Good. dodged another bullet.
Assuming this was a s/t deal for not too much money, the Twins actually look pretty smart. NO, he isn’t replacing Johan, but he does replace Silva.
Instead of 4/44 for Siliva, I would even rather have 1/5, 2/8 (or some such) for Livan.
Although as a met fan, I’m glad we don’t have either one!
Look at the rotation as a food chain. As 1 guy drops off, others move up (or if one moves, someone else drops).
Livan replaces Silva at the bottom. The twins hope that Loriano replaces Santana at the top.
Damn it. Why? Why? Why? So unless we trade El Duque to the Twinkies, they won’t get to pitch together. Also means, El Duque isn’t going to the pen. There goes the season.
Of course I’m not serious. Though I would have liked to see a 6 man rotation considering how fragile Pedro and Duque are. Oh well. Let’s hope for an injury free 08.
LET’S GO METS!
6 man rotation – so we can double the Hernandez and 20% less of Pedro, Santana, Maine and Perez??? If one of our horses gets hurt, Pelfrey will step up Corey Webster style.
Actually, I was thinking more in the lines of Santan, Maine, and Perez in their regular slots and then Pedro, El Duque, and 6th man (not Livan anymore) rotating the last two spots so as to give Pedro and Duque the extra time off and prevent injury and overuse. You could say that this can be done with Pelfrey, but I think they’ll want to keep him in AAA as much as possible.
Works if you can convince Pedro that he is done and only gets half of his starts.
Not half, two-thirds. I get your point though.
I wonder where this preoccupation with a a 6 man rotation came from… I don’t think it’s ever been used regularly or on purpose. Injuries or a really young staff may force a 6 man rotation for a short amount of time, but never a full year.
Imagine what that would do to the bullpen.
The concept of a 6th starter doesn’t really come into play until midsummer (baring injuries) when there are a lot of doubleheaders. Actually for the first month, it will be hard to get enough starts for five starters considering all the rainouts you usually get. Remember how Pelfrey started the year in AAA rather then miss all those starts last year?
Still….if you are a Twins fan amd you are dealing
with the whole Santana thing,…..this just has to sting.,
I went to see how they reacted on their boards to the Livan signing and they are pretty much on the fence about it. One poster was right though, his ERA was in the high 4’s, imagine it skyrocketing in the AL.
Twins sign Livan:
BWAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHahahahahahahahahaaaaaa hahaha hahaha …. haha ha
lol horrible…
Like the Cloverfield monster … a terrible thing.
I dunno…I kinda wanted Livan as an insurance policy. If 2 of our starters go down at once the Mets are in a tough situation. Pelfrey is always waiting in the wings, but with Humber and Mulvey gone who exactly is starting in an emergency? I CANNOT watch Brian Lawrence give up 4 ER in 5 IP again….
After last year Im always in ‘worst case scenerio’ mode…..I think I always will be from now on until they win the whole song and dance…..
Well, you don’t have to worry about Brian Lawrence anymore. He didn’t accept a minor league assignment and has become a free agent, I’m pretty sure.
As far as depth, Pelfrey is first on the list. After that you have Jorge Sosa, Tony Armas Jr, who they just signed … Jason Vargas and Adam Bostick (I think he’s a starter).
Yes not a line of all star pitchers but it’s not like Livan was going to sign a minor league deal to pitch in AAA as an insurance policy.
Fair points. I didnt know Lawrence wasnt with the team anymore. Let me shed a tear. OK Done. Right now I love the ‘09 team, but I just keep asking myself how prepared are they in the event they absolutley need someone to start in an important game(like last year). I agree it would have been a tough sell to get Livan, although we can offer something no one else can, in El Duque. I’m just saying that 2 of our SP’s are notoriously banged up with Pedro and El Duque. If they are hurt at the same time our vaunted rotation suddenly looks more like Johan, Maine, Ollie, Pelrey and Sosa(or one of the others)….very average….
Clearly I meant the ‘08 team….
I know what you’re saying. Hope for health this year. Last year was a bad year for health … maybe this is an up year.
Lawrence went to Kansas City.
I hope there arent any direct KC-NYC flights….
“If two of our starters go down at once we’re in a tough situation.”
What team wouldn’t be?
Yes, understood. But both our #2 and #5 starter have been consistantly hurt for the last 2 years. Its a one thing when injuries pop up. That happens. Its another when you can basically plan on 2 of your starters getting nicked up throughout the year. Unless Pedro is 100%, in which case its a moot point.
This is the role that Tony Armas JR fills without having to give him a ML contract. Livan…though worth more innings than Armas is less financial risk and no roster space…
Let us all hope that it doesnt come to that. There is also the possibility of a trade in the worst case scenerio, but with the lack of any decent SP’s available, and other team knowing we would be in desperation mode, we would get raked over the coals…
I guess Im OK with Toe-Knee Arm-Ass, but lets face it. If hes getting more than a spot start here and there this year something would have gone terribly terribly wrong….
Well they needed another starter so they signed Livan,hes not that bad of a pitcher. I would not mind him on the Mets if they signed him but I am very happy with our rotation
I have a soft spot for the Twins these days. Good signing, best of luck with everything Minny.
Nit to pick.
Pedro isn’t fragile. He had an assortment of problems in early 2006, but still continued to pitch when his turn came up. When he finally broke, he had the needed work done. September showed that it was effective, and he could stil pitch.
So, we can’t really assume he is fragile (Duque has shown to be, and guys like pavano). Sure, Pedro might unravel, but any pitcher could blow out an arm on any pitch. But as long as Pedro’s shoulder work stays together, no reason to expect regular and frequent trips to the DL or missed starts.
But he does have some chronic issues. The hip, the toe, the shoulder, etc. I’m not sure it is unreasonable to assume he will miss time. Fingers crossed that he won’t though.
Agreed, Pedro’s not really fragile. In ‘06, it was the toe… that led to the hip… that led to too much strain on the shoulder.
You would hope that while he was rehabbing the shoulder, his toe & hip healed as well. Which would prevent extra strain on the pitching arm.
But El Duque can get hurt getting out of bed in the morning.
didnt Pedro’s hip come from slipping on the floor in Miami?
yeah, he slipped trying to take off a sleeve that jack mckeon made him take off
Pavano’s not fragile, he’s broken.
“Is that a challenge, sir?” Pedro’s the man. I only wear his jersey, but you have to admit. Coming off of torn rotator cuff surgery and a torn muscle in his right calf, you’d have to say that they should be watching his pitch count. Since he started 23 games in 06, I wouldn’t expect more from him this year, without seeing him pitch for more than a month. In conclusion, due to Pedro’s previous injuries and probability that he will not pitch 30+ games makes him a fragile pitcher IMO. When I say fragile, I mean we have to be carful with him.
*careful*
Geez. Ok, Bill Smith is a confirmed idiot. In the AL, with the DH, and in the AL Central with those tough lineups and hitters parks of which the twinkie dome is one, expect Livan to have an ERA of at least around 5.50-6.00 this year. Unless he’s virtually free of charge, this is a stupid move.
He’s not an idiot. Trading Santana was a lose-lose situation. He overplayed his hand and didn’t get the overrated prospect in Lester (#3 at best), Ellsbury (not as high ceiling as Gomez) or Hughes (has only had flashes in the pan). Not saying the Mets gave up better but he wasn’t fleeced as some people believe.
He made an excellent trade with the D-Rays (Was basically Matt Garza for Delmon Young), he locked up Morneau and Cuddyer longterm and may get Joe Nathan to do the same.
Smith is inexperienced but in his short time of work, he’s done more good than bad. The guy who deserves blame with letting Santana go is Carl Pohland (owner who is richer than Steinbrenner).
icedrake you are right. Smith isn’t as stupid as he’s been portrayed in the media lately. He inherited an impossible situation with Santana which was part Terry Ryan’s and Pohlad’s fault. The big chance to retain Santana was last spring but they low-balled him with an inexcusable $36 mill 2-year extension offer. So divide the blame up like this: 33% Smith; 33% Pohlad; and 33% Terry Ryan.
But I still do think he is an idiot for signing Livan who will have an astronomical ERA this year. $5-6 million for him is a waste of money.
Who’s to blame for the last 1%?
the young/garza trade was real good for both sides, but the twins gave up an arm they might have liked to have now. he would easily be the #1 on that staff.
Nah, Smith is a good GM on the Jim Duquette scale of success…
Replace Johan with Livan?
At least there’s always Loh-she.
Since El Duque and Livan want to pitch together, I am certain that Bill Smith will give us Mauer for El Duque straight up to make it happen. Maybe even throw in Morneau to put it over the top.
I wouldn’t mind having Liriano. lol
I wish the twins the best….they are in maybe the best division in baseball and are going to have a hard time competing…i hope to see mr carlos gomez makes some more plays at skankee stadium like he made last year against cairo….i think i watched that play on my dvr like 500 times….
I want to see th headline saying that Joe Blanton is staying with the As or being traded to anywhere but Philly.
He’d be a good 2 for their rotation and make it def deeper.
I know we got the prize in Johan but i rather not have the philthies get him and gain any confidence heading into the season.
Blanton would be #3 for the Phils.
They basically have a 2 man rotation now (an ace, Hamels and Myers, who could be really good or blow up, but assume he will be good).
3-5 for them is a mess. Moyer, Eaton and a rookie dude. Could have 3 6+ era in a row, especially at home!
Doesn’t anyone else find it kind of odd that a 24 yr old with 1 1/2 seasons in the majors (and yet to make 30 starts in a season) is being heavily relied upon to be the Phils’ Ace, and we’re all scared of him?
Frankly their rotation’s a mess, which is the only reason to be concerned about Blanton going there – it’d take a bad rotation for him to make it much better!
After the Santana deal…I followed the group over to beerleaguer.com for philly reaction. Consensus there was that they could not have done a deal with the twins because they had no prospects worthy of consideration to make a package. Sounded like the farm was completely barren and the METs package of 2 ok pitchers in Mulvey and Humber and 2 high ceiling potential guys (1 close to ready and the other 3 years away, was unmatchable in their system.
Point being they have nothing to trade for with Billy Beane who is notoriously shrewd.
I can see Blanton to the Yanks for a couple of young pitchers in their system (kennedy and horne)
i hear they were looking for another starter apparently they traded one this offseason.
Livan is fine for there and at a cheap price. This is what happens when the big markets don’t need you. Loshe may get even less. I think that the Mets are in a good situation to get a couple of more Armas Jr. types actually.
Weaver, Garcia, Colon, Fogg, Benson, Odalis, Kim, Milton, Rodrigo Lopez (my favorite of the bunch), Thomson, Chacon, Ray King are all still available. Any of them on a AAA deal is fine by me.
I ‘d rather not go down the Benson or Thomson roads again, and we’ve seen Weaver in NY already – yuck! Put the rest of those names on a dartboard, close your eyes and throw.
Thomson is actually quite intriguing. He has good stuff but never healthy. Same with Weaver. Benson I have no desire to see him back. Point is, however, that all of these guys will go some where.
The way you feel about Benson is the way I feel about Thomson.
2-6 W-L, 4.31 ERA & 1.51 WHIP in his previous tenure with the Mets was enough for me.
Any of them including the guys who failed here in the past would be fine. I heard trax just took a AAA/spring training invite job.
The market is wierd this year. Decent guys are just not getting deals anywhere
A great lower level signing in Armas, I frown on taking risks on know injury recoveries though, Garcia/Colon are not worth the injury risk Met management are known to take, this is a new team now, the new mets, however AAA is calling Kim’s name.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Anna back (or her front for that matter !)…
But seriously…..I am anxious to see what kind of deal Lohse has to settle for. As we get closer and closer it seems that guys who were figuring on mult-year deals are starting to settle for much less.
The best part of that would be seeing a Bor-ass client have to bite the bullet. I’d love to see him come in here on a minor league deal !!
Lohse name has been mentioned by the Mets, probably to keep his price up for the Phillies though
Damn. I was really hoping we were going to get Livan as a fifth starter innings eater. He is a true horse. Oh well. We do have El Duque and Pelfrey to compete for the 5th spot. But 5 or 6 mil for one year is a nice deal for Livan. Saw someone mention available starters above. Out of them all I agree with the poster who likes Rodrigo Lopez. Lopez can be very good if schooled well. Omar should definetly look at Lopez for SP depth. Chacon is another decent option. He has pitched well at times in his career. I’m sure Omar isnt done with just the Armas signing. We shall see. No matter what 1 through 5 we are a stacked rotation and I am very optimistic.