Comments on: Read: Best GM’s in Baseball http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:21:53 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: LeiterMilnerFasterStronger http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101248 LeiterMilnerFasterStronger Tue, 19 Feb 2008 08:03:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101248 The non-trade stuff? Mostly positive-- see international signings, bolstering of Dominican academy in wake of Pedro signing-- but there is the whole draft-slot thing, as well. (More of a Wilpon-led charge, but... well... that kind of good citizenship kneecaps us, talent-wise, over the last 2-3 years.) The non-trade stuff? Mostly positive– see international signings, bolstering of Dominican academy in wake of Pedro signing– but there is the whole draft-slot thing, as well. (More of a Wilpon-led charge, but… well… that kind of good citizenship kneecaps us, talent-wise, over the last 2-3 years.)

]]> By: metzelaar http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101223 metzelaar Tue, 19 Feb 2008 03:12:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101223 Bannister FOR Burgos. There's a word for what happens when you swap two things: trade. As a Met fan, I'm well aware of how sensitive an issue the Kazmir trade was. I'm also aware that the Kazmir deal is synonymous with a bad deal. So when I say that the trade is Kazmir-ESQUE, what I'm saying is that the trade has shades of being pretty terrible. Which it does. I don't see how anybody could deny that. So let's recap: -I'm not saying Bannister is Kazmir -I'm not saying Bannister is as good as Kazmir -I'm not saying the trades were just as terrible -I am saying, though, that they were both similar in terms of what we got in return, and that they were both bad. Why do I have to spoon-feed this to everybody? Bannister FOR Burgos. There’s a word for what happens when you swap two things: trade.

As a Met fan, I’m well aware of how sensitive an issue the Kazmir trade was. I’m also aware that the Kazmir deal is synonymous with a bad deal. So when I say that the trade is Kazmir-ESQUE, what I’m saying is that the trade has shades of being pretty terrible. Which it does. I don’t see how anybody could deny that.

So let’s recap:

-I’m not saying Bannister is Kazmir
-I’m not saying Bannister is as good as Kazmir
-I’m not saying the trades were just as terrible
-I am saying, though, that they were both similar in terms of what we got in return, and that they were both bad.

Why do I have to spoon-feed this to everybody?

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101215 Tidewater Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:35:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101215 No, you didn't say "the trade" you said Banniset for Burgos was looking Kazmir-esque. If all you mean is it looks like a bad trade, fine, but when you bring up Kazmir, you are bringing up something that has a very specific meaning to Mets fans -- that is giving up a first round draft pick, a left handed 20 year old power pitcher, for a not-very-impressive not very accomplished pitcher. Yes the Bannisetr trade was Kazmir-esque in that it was bad, but if you don't want Mets fans reacting to a scab being picked, then don't pick the scab! Instead say, the Bannister trade looks pretty bad. No, you didn’t say “the trade” you said Banniset for Burgos was looking Kazmir-esque. If all you mean is it looks like a bad trade, fine, but when you bring up Kazmir, you are bringing up something that has a very specific meaning to Mets fans — that is giving up a first round draft pick, a left handed 20 year old power pitcher, for a not-very-impressive not very accomplished pitcher. Yes the Bannisetr trade was Kazmir-esque in that it was bad, but if you don’t want Mets fans reacting to a scab being picked, then don’t pick the scab! Instead say, the Bannister trade looks pretty bad.

]]> By: metzelaar http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101207 metzelaar Tue, 19 Feb 2008 02:00:44 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101207 Tell me where I said that Brian Bannister was Scott Kazmir. No, really, point out where I said that. The TRADE (TRADE TRADE TRADE TRADE, for people who like to overlook words) was similar. And don't act like some kind of prophet, spewing garbage like you know what will happen. Brian Bannister has pitched one full season so far, and a good one at that. How can you say, with a sense of absolute certainty, that Brian Bannister will not turn out to be a very good pitcher in the future? Some of you people ridiculous. Tell me where I said that Brian Bannister was Scott Kazmir. No, really, point out where I said that.

The TRADE (TRADE TRADE TRADE TRADE, for people who like to overlook words) was similar. And don’t act like some kind of prophet, spewing garbage like you know what will happen. Brian Bannister has pitched one full season so far, and a good one at that. How can you say, with a sense of absolute certainty, that Brian Bannister will not turn out to be a very good pitcher in the future?

Some of you people ridiculous.

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101205 Tidewater Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:54:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101205 Yes, Bannister was never and never will be Kazmir. That is a foolish thing to say. Yes, Bannister was never and never will be Kazmir. That is a foolish thing to say.

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101202 Tidewater Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:51:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101202 nrmax88: No, I recognized trading Nady was out of necessity. I also recognize that leftfielders who hit .275 with 20 HRs are not hard to replace, like say, young cheap starting pitchers. Trading starters for relievers is foolish in my opinion, unless you're getting a tried and true bullpen guy which Burgos was not. ALSO, yes Burgos has (or had, we'll see) a power arm, as do Lindstrom and Owens. Those trades were all to get younger, but not one of them made us better. It's one thing if you're trading a 31 or 32 year old to get younger, but trading a starter in his mid twenties for a reliever in his young 20s, the youth of the trade makes no sense. Also, he made these weird trades where he traded starters for relievers and then relievers for starters when he could have kept all of his pieces, all in their twenties in tact. I have no problem with trading away players. I would have had no problem trading Kazmir for Zambrano had it been Carlos Zambrano! Young players are of a premium. Young pitching especially. I understand many trades. I did not understand the Bannister one. nrmax88:
No, I recognized trading Nady was out of necessity. I also recognize that leftfielders who hit .275 with 20 HRs are not hard to replace, like say, young cheap starting pitchers. Trading starters for relievers is foolish in my opinion, unless you’re getting a tried and true bullpen guy which Burgos was not. ALSO, yes Burgos has (or had, we’ll see) a power arm, as do Lindstrom and Owens. Those trades were all to get younger, but not one of them made us better. It’s one thing if you’re trading a 31 or 32 year old to get younger, but trading a starter in his mid twenties for a reliever in his young 20s, the youth of the trade makes no sense. Also, he made these weird trades where he traded starters for relievers and then relievers for starters when he could have kept all of his pieces, all in their twenties in tact.

I have no problem with trading away players. I would have had no problem trading Kazmir for Zambrano had it been Carlos Zambrano! Young players are of a premium. Young pitching especially. I understand many trades. I did not understand the Bannister one.

]]> By: Gina http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101197 Gina Tue, 19 Feb 2008 01:32:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101197 Kazmir was considered a slam dunk prospect/ future ace by most scouts. Bannister wasn't. That's a huge difference when you consider the deals. Kazmir was considered a slam dunk prospect/ future ace by most scouts. Bannister wasn’t. That’s a huge difference when you consider the deals.

]]> By: letz_go_metz http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101189 letz_go_metz Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:57:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101189 Hey, we got rid of Mota who at the time was an albatross hanging around smelling of fish (stinking the place up anyways). Anything we got in return was gravy! Hey, we got rid of Mota who at the time was an albatross hanging around smelling of fish (stinking the place up anyways).

Anything we got in return was gravy!

]]> By: Number41 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101182 Number41 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:06:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101182 Put Manny's name on the door now... Put Manny’s name on the door now…

]]> By: Tim http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101166 Tim Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:40:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/18/read-best-gms-in-baseball-2/#comment-101166 It has been said thatr the measure of a good organization is how well they develop and provide their major league teams with talent or the trade value to get the talent needed to major league team. He was able to get the best left-handed pitcher in baseball, in his prime, and other teams could not. The other teams, in the end may not have wanted to acquire him. Omar had a need and filled it with the best player available. It has been said thatr the measure of a good organization is how well they develop and provide their major league teams with talent or the trade value to get the talent needed to major league team. He was able to get the best left-handed pitcher in baseball, in his prime, and other teams could not. The other teams, in the end may not have wanted to acquire him. Omar had a need and filled it with the best player available.

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