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Phillies SS Jimmy Rollins arrived to camp yesterday, and was 
immediately asked to comment on Carlos Beltran’s weekend statement, which proclaimed the Mets as the team to beat in 2008, not the Phillies.
Rollins, talking with reporters from Phillies camp, said…
“Carlos is a quiet guy. It’s good that he spoke up. He needs to be a vocal leader for them. To that I have two things to say. One: There are four other teams in this division that want to make sure that doesn’t happen. And, two: Has anyone ever heard of plagiarism?…What I said last year still rings true. My mind isn’t going to change. My feelings aren’t going to change about that…There isn’t a team in the National League that’s better than us…If you can’t do it, don’t say it…We can win 100 games. I’ll say that right here. Why? Look what happened last year, with all those injuries. We lost Chase for five weeks, we lost Ryan for three weeks, we expected Lieber and Garcia to be part of our rotation and they hardly pitched for us. All those things went wrong and still we won 89 games…
“The spotlight isn’t on me anymore…The pressure is back on the Mets if you ask me. They were, on paper, the best team in the division last year. They were supposed to win and they didn’t. So now, they’re going to, of course, be out there trying to prove that what happened last year was a fluke…
“I think Omar did a great job of getting a good pitcher and not having to give up his best prospects…Santana can only pitch one game at a time…We can play with anybody. That’s the bottom line.”
For more on Rollins, who has his own customized cleats, according to Ken Davidoff in Newsday, also read the Daily News, New York Times, and SI.com.
…added to by Chris Mazzone…
…apparently, rollins has some sort of copyright on predicting division titles…he also threw in a not so subtle shot at beltran’s perceived leadership abilities, or lack thereof…these teams do not like each other and it’s going to be a fun ride…
…love him or hate him, i can appreciate that he’s helped to bring the rivalry to a whole new level…which will make victory that much sweeter…
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Jimmy Rollins can kiss my blue and orange loving back-side. May the Mets mop the division floor with the Phillies. GO METS!
Rollins and the rest of those clowns (Brett Myers, etc.) down in Philly act like they won the World Series last year. Wow they won the NL East, but then they got swept out of the playoffs, that’s something to brag about. By the way this guy is running his mouth and walking around with his Nke MVP shoes, it sound like little Jimmy is getting a little full of himself.
they are gonna win 100 games????
W/ what staff??
Cole Hammels is the truth..the rest, question marks….
He see’s our rotation, he hears how Duaner is blowing them away thus far in camp..he see’s our lineup…
Basically, he see’s the writing on the wall
the division title should be back in Queens and we are looking to win it all this yr!
This is just Rollins and the rest of those clowns talking scared!!
because the win shares of Lidge and Feliz must be about 10…
if Rollins honestly thinks their offseason moves kept them ahead of the Mets he is off his nut.
I will take Carlos Beltran over Rollins anyday. I guess the fact that the Mets operated with a no-frills bullpen all year coupled with the fact that Utley was out for awhile makes them pretty evenly matched. With that said the Phillies won the division by one game. Wow what a powerhouse line-up which was no match for the Rockies starting pitching in the first round divisional playoffs.
With that said I have two words for Rollins: EFF You! (you know what I mean).
he really needs to stop talking.
it will just be all the more sweet will beltran and wright lead this team to the NL east title
i have to admit, i respect the guy, he is a great player, but i love to hate him, however he has brought a whole new level to the rivalry
this is going to be a fun year, maybe this banter back and worth is what the mets need to go out there and play hard with the right attitude 162 games unlike last year
GET IT DONE
LET’S GO METS
agreed .. part of the fun in hating guys like rollins and chipper is that they’re good .. there’s no use hating the 25th guy on the roster
exactly…I respectfully dislike Rollins and Chipper. I despise Rocker and Myers.
i actually really hate shane victorino and hes no where near their best player, i just think hes a little rat and isnt good enough to be running his mouth like he did after we got santana.
can you believe this guy!? all that talk after getting swept in the first round last year and without improvement in their lineup this year. i just hate this guys gut. can’t wait for the season to start so the mets can shut his mouth for good. hey rollins, just about half the nl teams can beat your team to the ground.
Actually there are probablyl like maybe 2 o3 r teams that can beat the Phillies into the “ground”. When you say things out of emotion, that everybody knows arent true, you lose credibility and people begin to stop caring what you have to say. Sentences like: “The Phillies suck and all the teams are better then you!” are not very intelligent, and all it really does it speak to your ability to be objective.
so you do know the phillies is not the best team in the nl, unlike what your guy’s been mouthing off. and 2 or 3 teams? how objective are you? i just don’t see this team playing in october. unless they get beckett, sabathia, and peavy (which is impossible), this team isn’t going anywhere.
Hmmm Beltran says the Mets are the team to beat in the division and Rollins says basically that there are four other teams that will make sure it doesn’t happen. Rollins then says that his team is the best in the NL and win 100 games. Doesn’t his logic hold true that then there would be 15 other teams to make sure his prediction doesn’t come through?
I guess having a copyright on making predictions gives him the right not to use logic either.
I want Rollins to keep talking. 100 wins for any team is extremly hard and not very common. Wonder what he’ll say when they don’t reach 100 - as odds would suggest.
He makes a fool of himself and he doesn’t even realize it. The Phillies won the division in name only. It was given to them on a silver platter. They were almost the same exact team last year as thy were the year before.
Keep talking Jimmy. Keep talking.
Probably Beltran’s addressing Rollins in his prediction is what makes Rollins think it’s plagiarism. It really seemed to get into the Mets head if they still need to worry about it a year after it came true.
actually, it’s called a “reply” not plagiarism. Mentioning Rollins only makes it more so.
What I don’t get is that his prediction did not come true last year. The Phillies were not the team to beat, the Mets were. Yes the Phillies beat them but not until the last day were the Phillies ever top team. The Mets spent the entire season as the team to beat.
Take your logic elsewhere. It’s too much for Philly fans to handle…
You to koko, just stop it you look ignorant and bitter. Rollins made a fool of himself? Yeah, calling the division in spring training, then winning an mvp on the way to a division title is really embarrasing. Give the guy props, and shut up. Do you guys think only the MEts are allowed to have good players or something? God I hate Met fans. They are so hypocritical and silly (for the most part). They make fun of the phillies for coming into the season thumping their chests, even though they have every right to, they are the defending champs. We did the same thing after 06, even though we proved absolutely nothing in the playoffs, but now it is some kind of problem that the Phillies are doing the same thing? And godforbid anybody mention the Mets crappy future after the Johan trade and they get crucified. For most of the offseason, nobody would give any Met executive any credit anywhere. Now its like they are perfect and the rest of the league is dirt.
Being a bit harsh this morning aren’t we Max? I mean, you didn’t address Koko’s correct notion that 100 games is a high water mark that all other teams will be looking to make Rollins look like a fool about. Then he turns the page quickly and says 4 other NL East teams will ensure the Mets don’t win. You have to admit that is somewhat hypocritical.
Rollins deserves respect for his terrific season but the fact that he is bringing up injuries as the reason they didn’t win by more is ridiculous. Try not signing bad players like Eaton as part of your rotation for a start. Mets had some serious injuries too that led to an 88 win season. Let’s see what happens.
He didnt say 4 other teams will ensure we dont win, he just said 4 other teams will try to prevent it, which is obviously true. My whole point is that you guys seem to take this chatter btween the players way, way to personally. How has Jimmy Rollins made a fool of himself? Thats why I came down on this guy. Guys who made a fool of themselves in 2007. Jose Reyes (not hustling multiple times), Carlos Beltran (dropping Rollins CF flyball in a huge game), Willie Randolph ( for acting as if it was our right to win the East all year), Carlos Delgado (”we are so good we get bored”). As for Jimmy Rollins ( gauruntee’s the division while everybody thinks they have no shot, then comes through and fulfills that gauruntee, while winning the NL MVP in the process). Yeah, that doesnt look like a fool to me. All I am saying is that when Met fans start saying things like Rollins is a joke, Rollins is a fool, Rollins is garbage, it just stinks of jealousy, and since the Mets team is so much better, just give credit where it is due and let the guy talk. You dont have to pretend like he is a crappy player because he said some mean things about our team.
Can’t argue with your last point. Even though I believe Holliday deserved the MVP over him, Rollins had a spectacular season and has immense talent. The mouth I could do without but of course I am not a huge fan of Mets this spring talking so much. Hell, even Endy came out cocky. I just wish they would shut up.
i also won’t argue he is a talented player who far and away had a ‘career’ year. i will say i don’t really agree with your assertions that several mets players made fools of themselves for the reasons you listed while at the same time using rollins’ full season as a point of reference for his ‘greatness.’ to be honest, saying any met player made a fool of themselves kind of reeks of hypocrisy when you critisize mets fans of the same action.
Get of our forum then..you tool.
I think ur comment was a piece of @#$%%@#
Oh, goodie, time for another 100 posts about why whatever the Mets do is great! (Endy issues a guarantee!) and whatever the Phillies do is not.
And the Phillies lucked out by having the Mets playing mediocre baseball for just the last 4 months of the season.
And, oh yeah, the Phillies got swept by the Rockies, a team with a better record-that’s so much worse than getting their season handed to them by the Nats, Cards and Marlins-it’s hard to win vs those powerhouses with your season on the line. OOh, the regular season pressure was just so hard.
I’d love to hear why you guys think the Mets lost last year. Were they counting on the Phillies to lose more games at the end?
Did they not realize that if they lost every day and the team behind them ‘luckily’ won every day their lead would unluckily disappear?
Oh goodie. Time for another post by a d-bag troll.
LOL I back this post…
do you not realize when you come to a mets blog, you’ll see mets-skewed comments? Why are you hear if not to read those 100 comments?
why are you “here” of course …
at 4:30 in the morning no less.
He stays up all night waiting for Matt to post something new…then has the nerve to say the Phillies are in OUR heads…
i think he is a closet mets fan who knows that the phillies will have their asses handed to them this year and finds metsblog to be much more intellectual than knuckle dragger phillie blogs.
Can you just go like..post on your own forum..?
I bet you have no friends, you work for like an IT solutions company, and resemble Wayne Knight - the geek computer guy from Jurassic Park.
I love your fans - I had one of them last night tell me that “we had a better offseason than you, you guys didn’t do anything to address your needs.”
Very educated fan base..
Seriously though..go on your own forums..play with ur own white trash fans and wife beating supporters. Seriously. Go away.
Hello Newman!
I love the NY Mets during lean years and great opportunity years like 2008.
I, like so many, am very excited about this coming season.
That being said, to dismiss our rivals before we even begin, would not be prudent.
The Phillys & Braves have talented squads. And we have learned, all too painfully, that the Marlins and Nationals should not be assumed losers.
Let’s give the Yankee-like bravado a break and keep our heads in the game. Just like the players are pleadging to do this season.
Baseball first. BS later!
Of course, a little chin music for Rollins, would fall into the baseball category!
Every year the Yankees say they expect nothing less than a world title. Beltran came out and said we’re going to win the NL East. If anything this takes a page from the Yankee book - set the bar high and go for it.
I personally like the fact that Beltran, Endy, and Delgado said something. Now they are personally accountable - so maybe this year they’ll have a fire under their ass all season.
As for Rollins, let him speak. That’s what makes all of this fun. he predicts 100 wins - most likely that doesn’t happen. I don’t see how that rotation could possible win 100 - even if you give the top two of Cole and Myers 20 wins a piece. That’s 60 more for Eaton, Kenndrick, Moyer, and their BP (which was abysmal last year - and swapping Myers for Lidge won’t help matters).
That being said - let’s play the games. Injuries will happen - El Duque will go down, so will Alou. Beltran will be hurt at some point. I’m sure some Phillies will be hurt too. I hope everyone stays healthy and that way there are no excuses at the end. Hopefully Rollins has the class to then say the Mets were simply a better team.
LETS GO METS!!!
I agree. A little chin music for Larry Jones would be appropriate too.
hahahahahha jimmy rollins…wat a joke this guy is…100 wins so funny…i like how he said all the other teams were gonna beat the mets.
Eastfallofield guy…the Mets lost because they weren’t playing hard and everyone knows that….they lost the division for themselves…you can say that the Phillies won the division but with the record they had they really didn’t…Their record was mediocre just like their team…the Mets had a much better team but they played like crap so they handed the Phillies the division…Jimmy Rollins can predict all he wants but not one fan in baseball outside of Phillies and Mets fans will say that the Phillies were the better team last year and def not this year….I hope you enjoyed the division title cause your not gonna have a chance to taste that again for at least 7 years
But why weren’t they ‘playing hard’? At some point, they had to realize their magical season was on the line, and if they had a much better team than the team that won the division, why couldn’t they beat the last place team and the next to the last place team? Why would you take off those games? At some point, even the Mets could see that their season was slipping away, couldn’t they?
Phils finished the 162 gm schedule with the second best record in the NL, one game behind the leader. So, comparatively, they weren’t ‘mediocre’. The Mets weren’t mediocre either, they just played that way from June to September.
Also, if Mets had managed to beat the Marlins once more, or the Nats just once in the final week, the Phils, Mets, Rockies and Padres all would have tied for the wild card along with Mets/Phils tied for the NL East, so to act like the Mets are the only reason the Phils made the playoffs is slightly mistaken.
As for Rollins saying all the other teams would beat the Mets, that was certainly true when it counted most. How many wins did the Mets have the last week of the season, one? That’s rich.
Well, no. The whole National League was pretty much uniformly mediocre last year. The Mets were the one team of the bunch with enough talent to rise above the rest, but they failed to do so — miserably — which is their fault for resting on their laurels, and can not really be attributed to the Philadelphia Phillies in any way.
You’re right, the Phillies only beat them like 8 times in a row. Just all luck and coincidence.
How could you ‘rest on your laurels’ when all it takes to save the season was to beat the 2 worst teams in your division in this so called mediocre league. If the division champs were ‘mediocre’ how could your bunch fail so often down the stretch?
If the Mets go 13-4 in April it’s because they’re superior. If the Phils go 13-4 at the end of the season it means they’re mediocre. Good logic there.
You cant handle the truth.
And what is the truth, that the Mets were embarrassed last year? Yes, I am sure a PHilly fan cant handle that. Eastfallowfield and all of you guys are obviously both playing the extremes. Obviously the Phils played a roll in winning the division, they were awesome down the stretch, but to act as if they couldnt have made the postseason without LOTS of help from the Mets is just silly. What was it, 7 back with 14 to play? You needed tons of help, dont act like it isnt true. Met fans, the Phillies dominated us when it mattered the most, dont act like it isnt true. The thing is, who cares, because the Mets didnt make the playoffs and the Phillies didnt win a game in the playoffs. The latter is not exactly something to go bragging about. Neither team has much bragging rights from last year The Mets have literally no bragging rights, while Philly has slightly more, because they did win the division, but got owned by a not very good Colorado team. Its a new year and that is all that matters. Why are you all so caught up on last season? Personally, I dont care what happened last year because every met besides one drastically underperformed, so it isnt like last year is the type of performance we should be expecting to see again. Not to mention adding two cy young starters to the rotation. That normally is good for one game in the standings.
excellent post. nothing more really needs to be said. and trolls go back to beerleaguer
great post. we’ll said. talk is cheap and last year is over.
i think wright said it best, when he was talking about the fame or celebrity profile, saying something along the lines, unless you do well on the field, nothing else matters, the endorsements, nothing, baseball is what we are here for, and no matter what we got to go do it on the field. period.
Your post is refreshing and insiteful as to the reason we couldn’t win in the last weak.It all came down to pitching,we didn’t have any.The pen was toast,from the Mangers use of it and injury.Pedro was not used on short rest,a decision to save his career instead of the season.
And Glavine just flat out stunk,in his biggest game of our season and not his.
I would not have liked to have faced your team in a single game playoff.I think you would have outhit us in that matchup and who knows maybe it would have taken you further into the playoffs.
But this year we don’t have Mota,but instead a healthy Duanner Sanchez,We don’t have Glavine but a healthy Pedro,Maybe Oliver Perez has an off season and maybe not,but I think John Maine improves upon his outstanding season of last year,and of course El Duque will spend some time on the DL and young MR.Pelfry will get to showcase his stuff.
And of course how can I forget the differance maker himself.Another Cy Young award to go along with his other two should just about wrappep up this division by Aug.15th.
Pitching Pitching Pitching Pitching and of course how well Brian Schneider handles the Pitching staff will make all the difference in the NL we need to make last year a bitter memory!
John Maine had a good first half, not so good second half. It’s always possible the second half is just as relevant as the first.
Same with Perez-he had two months where his ERA was closer to the ERA that got him dumped by Pittsburgh.
Of course, the Phils were missing a bunch of pitchers when they made their run and the Mets were as healthy as they were all season when they blew it. Funny how that gets ignored.
john maine’s last start (with it all on the line) he gave up 1 hit .. where does that fall on your relevancy scale?
It is also easy to blame injuries from the Philly side as to why they didn’t run away but the Mets had those injuries too. Everyone can argue their teams’ side from last year but I really don’t know why this gets rehashed. They are 2 of the top 5 teams in the NL which will make this fun. Philly has a superior offense to almost any team, including the Mets by a bit. But the Mets pitching appears to be superior 1-5. Both teams lost vocal and on the field leaders in LoDuca and Rowand so I think that will play a role. Both teams’ fans should be excited. The new players in Santana and Lidge will certainly play a big role here. If both perform well, this should be neck and neck again. All that said, don’t forget the Braves…
That last start of the year lowered Maine’s September ERA to 5.93. August ERA 6.32.
He’d fit right in the Phillies 2007 staff with those ERAs.
The Mets did play really well the first day they fell into 2nd place, almost like the pressure was lifted somewhat?
Next day, pressure back on, bye season.
“I hope you enjoyed the division title cause your not gonna have a chance to taste that again for at least 7 years”
Why not? Its not like the Mets are set up to be good for a long time, they said forget about franchise route, all you fans want to win now so thats whats happening. 2009 is nothing even close to a gauruntee. Like I have said, we could be the Chicago White Sox in 2 or 3 years, and be horrible for a while, but thats what you all want right? To win now? I just think it is funny that idea that the Mets are set up well for the future. Why is Jimmy Rollins a joke? Because he said something that you dont like? You guys are the jokes.
Are you serious? How can you think we are going to be like the ChiSox in 2 or 3 years? We have Johan, Maine, Pelfrey (hopefully he pans out), and possibly Oliver Perez for the forseeable future. We have some young pitching in the low minors that is really looking up…we also have a great left side of the infield that isn’t leaving anytime soon. This is not a one and done team like the White Sox were a couple of years ago…the Mets are built to last at many positions.
Jimmy Rollins can say what he wants…he earned it last year. Let the trash talking continue…having a rivalry like this is great for Mets AND Phillies fans and it should prove to be a great rivalry for years to come.
Don’t count the Mets system out yet, their draft philosophy is changing this year and hopefully this will yield better prospects in the years to come
gotta disagree with you…like pcmetsfan07 said, we actually have a fairly young pitching staff (60% of it will be under 30 this year, maybe 80% if Pelfrey makes the rotation), our 2 best players are both 24 right now, and our next best player is 31. Ryan Church is pretty young too. And Schneider is only 30 and has never caught more than 135 games a year, so he should be around for a few more years. The leaves us with an old leftfielder, an old 1st basemen, and an old 2nd basemen in the starting lineup. We have the teenage hitting machine coming down the pipe for left field or first base, and then only have to address 2nd and whichever position FMart doesn’t play. And we are a big-market team with the money to fix that problem, not the White Sox.
I just want to say that the phillies ain’t even the second best team in the division.
I just want to say, yes they are. It is this kind of comment, that is so obviously biased and not true, that kills credibility of NY fans everywhere.
not really….I mean, maybe he should have provided some support, but you can make a legitimate claim that the Braves are better than the Phillies. I don’t think even the most homerific Phils fan would say they have a better looking rotation going into the season. If Hudson & Hampton stay healthy and Glavine pitches like he did early in the year last year, the Braves could be very good. And their offense is underrated: Chipper is still great, McCann is maybe the third best offensive catcher in baseball, Francouer is an above-average outfielder, and they have a few other pretty good young players. There are some who would make an argument that the Mets, Phils, and Braves are all very close to each other, and any of the 3 might be the worst of them.
er…the Braves are better than Phillies…hate to tell ya…but. Braves starting rotation and their bullpen without question has more talent and is deeper. Smotlz, Hudson, Glavine and a healthy Hampton is far more formidable than the ‘headcase’ Brett Myers and ‘my elbow could blow out on the next pitch’ Cole Hamels and Jamie Moyer and Adam eaton. And the Braves can put up just as many runs as the Phutiles and the Mets. And right now, I’d take Soriano pitching at Turner Field than Brad Lidge pitching in CBP.
Have a little perspective here.
Baseball Prospectus says they’re the 3rd best team.
Is PECOTA obviously biased and without credibility also?
you’re from philadelphia.
enough said about your credibility. Dork.
I foresee the Phillies trying to lure Kent Tekulve out of retirement.
He’d be as good a pitcher as anyone on their current staff.
Everything about Philadelphia is second rate.
The baseball team…
The football team…
The dirty, trashy city…
The stupid, trashy people…
Jimmy Rollins…
thanks for that insightful commentary, oracle!
i’ll only take tekulve if he refuses to play with contacts….
“Love him or hate him….”
I think I’m gonna go ahead and hate him.
Plagiarism? PLAGIARISM?! Apparently, whenever someone wants to say their team is gonna win the division, they gotta pay Jimmy Rollins 10 bucks. PLAGIARISM?!! Apparently, when someone says to you, “I’m better at (something),” and you respond with, “No, I’m better at (the same something),” you’re plagiarizing because you decided not to talk about something completely different.
On behalf of Carlos Beltran:
I am SO SORRY, Jimmy Rollins, that Carlos Beltran didn’t predict that the Mets would win 163 games this year so that he could be “creative” like you.
I am SO SORRY, Jimmy Rollins, that Carlos Beltran copied your copyrighted phrase “the team to beat,” because clearly you are the one who coined that phrase, and never before you has it been uttered.
And finally, Pat Gillick is gonna be SO SORRY, Kyle Kendrick, that he didn’t trade you to Japan before you turned in a 5 ERA this year.
The funny thing is that it MIGHT have been “plagiarism” (which doesn’t apply to the spoken word, by the way), but Beltran was not copying Rollins, he was MOCKING him, and I don’t think ol. J-Roll knows that. When you say “Tell Clinton I did not have sexual relations with her either,” you are making fun of Clinton. When you say, “Tell Howard Dean we are going to go to Iowa and win there too,” you are making fun of him.
Mockery, Jimmy, Mockery.
Look it up.
Love him or hate him?
Hate Him or wanna fuggin punch him.
wonder if myers already did that? you know, to keep up the douche quota.
I dont hate Jimmy, I just dont dont hate him.
Myers only hits women. Duh.
I want to see Brett Myers and Anna Benson get in a fight.
Now Beltran just needs to back his mouth up, and its all golden, and we will all be wearing gold plated diapers.
“what does that even MEAN?”
someone was SUPPOSED to say to this, “never question bruce dickenson!!!”
A classic!
ahhhhhhh, sorry i was driving on my way to work didnt have itme to do it, hahahah thanks BIGCHART
alright, i’ll believe ya THIS TIme!
rollins plagiarized the plagiarism line from hillary. Come on, be original man.
;)
maybe it’s me, but I feel like this has taken the place of the “did we get Santana?” stories as THE STORY i wake up and run to the computer to see if there’s anything new has come up….
I’m starting to think that this Mets-Phillies rivalry is REALLY going to be THE RIVALRY going forward in sports.
Yanks-Sox of course is probably still the best, but that’s like too commercial, and everyone is used to it for a million years or whatever it’s been.
I got fans of all different teams tellin me that they’re looking forward to the NY-PHILADELPHIA wars comin…
and something tells me this is going to be a MUCH more VIOLENT rivalry, on and off the field
hear hear….I said something similar to this yesterday….Mets Phillies is going to be Must See TV.
You guys get so angry its funny and almost sad. Seriously, you all take offense to everything. Even with Oliver Perez, some of you have these schemes where Boras is trying to make Perez hate the Mets so he leaves. Whats the big deal here? Rollins thinks they are the team to beat, so what? What would you prefer him to say?
“Well yeah, now that the Mets have Johan we should just give up the whole season and not even play, we suck and we have no shot.”
Anyone else think we should include a “Phillies Trolls: You are here” sign underneath the METSblog banner?
Dude…your holier than thou act has been tired for a LONG time now…give it a damn rest
Dude are you a Met fan or just basically a “glass is half-empty” kind of guy? Jeez….
How many playoff games have the Phillies won? How many titles in a row?
Rollins has done a good job putting the spotlight on the Mets but the fact remains that the Phillies fans supported their team, had a magical run, and didn’t win a title. I believe the Phillies have a chance to improve but it’s different winning when you are expected to lead the division (see Mets last year). The Phillies aren’t “upstarts” but are defending East champs. Let’s see their fans support them when they have a 4 game skid.
The Mets “folded” and didn’t make the playoffs but the Phillies were a hot team that won the East but blew their title shot to the Rockies. The Rockies!
I don’t find anything wrong with Rollins comments. For the most part, he’s right. The Phillies won the division because they beat the Mets senseless when it counted last year. Let’s hear how the Mets respond to his comments, and more importantly, how they play the Phillies in April. I’d say the Mets need to sweep if they want to back up Beltran’s words.
great post cgpublic. Finally somebody who understands this type of thing and doesnt take offense to it. Anybody see the movie idiocracy? Thats what most of these guys who post here remind me of. You can give themm all of the logic you want, but they just do not, care. It really can be quite frustrating.
No one’s got a gun to your head. If you find dealing with Mets fans online so frustrating, you might wanna, you know, stop posting at a Mets fan site.
Not necessarily, because if you remember, after Rollins made those comments last year, he made an embarrassing error at Shea which gave the Mets the win in the home opener. Yet he still had enough time to make good on his words. Hopefully the Mets sweep, but if not, theres still time.
I have to disagree with your last comment. The Mets certainly don’t have to sweep the Phils, even though it would be sweet, in order to prove something. You have to realize this is a really good Phillies team so no matter how many times we try to undermine them or compare them to the Mets, in reality they have a stacked offense and a worth 1-2 punch rotation. I would be satisfied if we won the bulk of our games against the Phillies instead of having a sweep or bust mentality. Hate him or love him, you have to respect Jimmy, he said something and he backed it up, more than I can say for my Mets. But its 2008 and I hate the Phils more than ever. So I’m quite impressed that Beltran said what he said, now you know that the Mets have that extra incentive to kick Philly Ass! Lets Go Mets!
Granted the Phillies won the Division last year and they were a good team, but Realisticly, it took the 2nd worse Collapse in Regular Season Baseball History for them to win the division, and if youll also remember the last game they won last year was also in the regular season.
We have to go out and shut them down in the 1st 2 series’ and shut them up. They need to be reminded that they are just the Philadelphia Phillies and Winning and Championships isnt in the cards for their franchise.
Maybe Joe Namath should start charging Rollins royalties.
nah, the Phillies would actually have to win a Championship for Namath to be infringed, and we know that ain’t happening.
wow, I love how no one here actually reads the whole article. If you read the article you will see the following things that rollins said, which cerrone “conveniently” left out to just get everyone worked up.
“We can win 100 games,” Rollins said. “Look at what happened to us last year with all the injuries and all the different pitchers and the uncertainties and we wound up winning 89 games. There’s a number of things that went wrong and we still found a way to win 89 games.
As you can see right there, he did not predict 100 wins nor did he guarantee 100 wins. All he said was that the team has the capability to win 100 games… I don’t see anything wrong with that.
“There isn’t a team in this division or the National League that’s better than us. I’m not saying on paper or anything that we’re the best team, but we can play with anybody and that’s the bottom line. You mention last year, the year prior ‘06 and ‘05, the Mets were the best team hands down. But in ‘07, I didn’t feel that way anymore and I don’t feel that way this year.”
Now, here he even admits that the phils are not the best team in the division but he feels they can compete w/ any team in the division. Again there is nothing wrong with this. Some of you might say that he is hating on the mets here, but all he is saying is that the mets can be beat, and are not a perfect team like the media is making them out to be.
I don’t understand how any of you are knocking rollins for this article when all he says pretty much is that the phils can compete w/ the mets and that the division is up for grabs. He has said nothing disrespectful at all in this article and it is obvious that you all are reaching and trying to force a rivalry. I love the rivalry myself but there is no reason to put words into other players mouths and stir up a ruckus for no reason.
I’m a die hard Mets fan and Jimmy Rollins gets all the respect in the world from me. The guy can say whatevvvvvvvvvver he wants to say … you know why? Because he BACKS IT UP. I agree … there is nothing wrong with what he said here and I’m GLAD he said it simply because it makes the season a whole lot more fun and interesting. Now our guys are talking too … I love it … now lets see the Mets players back it up because that is all that matters!
I haven’t looked forward to a season so much since 2006, when I knew we were gonna roll through the season. Hopefully, the end to 2008 is a lot better than that one…
I’m sorry but if you want to be rationale, any team is capable of winning 100 games heck any team can win 162, unlikely, but certainly capable. This is Rollins although certainly a confident character, it also reeks of pompous. He was insinuating that they will win 100 games this year no matter how you try to debunk.
I don’t understand what’s wrong with Rollins saying his team will win 100 games though. I don’t see the problem with that. He’s a leader, he’s pumping up his team. I wouldn’t expect him to come out and say, “hey guys, we’re not that good, I’d be happy to win 78 games this year”.
I not saying its wrong, I’m just trying to tell you that is clearly what he meant. Thats all buddy. Listen I’m a Met fan, but more so a baseball fan. I enjoy a good rivalry when I see one. Though Mets fans might seem like they are bothered and resort to name calling is clearly doing what a fan ought to do, being as irrational as humanely possible. This is sports, not foreign policy. Both Fans are enjoying this in monumental proportions. About a month til opening day and all of us are screaming for heads. I enjoy Jimmy and appreciate the fact that him and Beltran just catapulted this rivalry exponentially. If we Mets didn’t see you as a threat and vice versa, we wouldn’t bother you guys just like we don’t bother with the Nationals or Marlins.
Who’s “you” though? I’m a METS FAN!!! :)
No, no … I understand what you’re saying. I just see a lot of people killing Rollins on here, and me, as a Mets fan … I really don’t see a problem with it. I like it.
Mike it wasn’t directed at you
Oh … ok gotcha!
Wait wait wait. So you said:
‘Now, here he even admits that the phils are not the best team in the division’
when let’s look at the FIRST sentence of the preceeding paragraph:
“There isn’t a team in this division or the National League that’s better than us.”
Uhh…..
Other than m00kie, most of you idiots don’t even get Rollin’s plagiarism joke, which is obviously a reference to the plagiarism charged leveled by Clinton against Obama.
Also, I agree with therev, Cerrone, as usual, selects what quotations he finds the most of inflammatory and posts them out of context so that all the Mets knuckle draggers will get heated.
You think Rollins was making a political joke?
I’m not saying he wasn’t, but that might be giving him a little too much credit. He also could have been referencing my students who plagiarize on every paper. Or you who mentioned plagiarism five days ago. Or the dictionary …..
except the comment came the same week as hillary’s was big news .. ordinarily I’d doubt Mr. Rollins’ political acumen, but in this case, I think it may be true.. who knows really.
didn’t Myers also claim plagiarism like a week ago though? I really don’t think this was a reference to the Clinton/Obama thing….maybe that’s where he got the idea for it, but I think he was legit saying Beltran stole his idea. And as someone above said, Beltran wasn’t plagiarizing, he was mocking (actually, more like taunting) Rollins.
you’re probably right .. originally, I was more mocking both situations, rather than saying rollins was referring to it .. this post put it in my head and it seems plausible, given the headline nature of the primaries right now ..
but agreed, Beltran was mocking. If he had left out the “tell jimmy rollins” it would have been copying, as is, it was pure mockery.
mmm internets
Jimmy Rollins is awesome…why do you Met fans get SO angry???? relax..its baseball..J Roll didn’t rob your house……he is more articulate than the majority of posters in here…he said the same thing about Beltran you all have been saying for two years….
it was kind of lame on Beltran’s part…last year, J Roll didn’t direct his “team to beat” comment at anyone…Beltran straight up called J Roll out…which is fine…all the MVP and reigning division champ is saying, is he better back it up…..
J Roll has shown he can take the heat, can Mr. Mole?
and seriously, get over the Phillies…70% of the posts the last week have been about them….be strong Met fans…you landed what Rick peterson called in SI, “a gift from heaven” in Johan…you can’t blow it again, right????????????????????
Phuck the Fils, sorry I just had to say that. Its almost involuntary.
I bought a T shirt with the slogan on it in the parking lot at Shea back in the ’80s, although they spelled it Phils to match. Even did it in the Red script they use, so you had to look at it twice to realize what it was.
Best $5 bucks I ever spent!
I would so buy that shirt. I guess I find it amusing that no matter where you position and PH and F, it obviously makes no difference.
he is more articulate than the majority of posters in here…
sorry, just had to cut and paste that line from my post….cant wait to see ya at Shea rockin your jorts blu!
Bring it on!
And if the Phills even had a good blog, what would 90% of their post be about? Sweat? or the Mets?
Oh great, now even the front office got into it with the “Team to Beat” package. My question is, do we get our money back for those games if we do get beat? That would be the first time someone actually put their money where their mouth is.
What do you perfer, “The Team that has a moderate shot at winning, but doesn’t want to guarantee it until they see how things pan out.” slogan, for me it just seems awfully long.
No slogan will do just fine since the last 2 slogan’s have came up short. I hate it when they build up expectations so much so to the point where I am devestated in the end.
Okay, have you ever hear there is no such things as guarantees in Baseball, you know. 2004 Red Sox, 2003 Marlins, 2006 cough cough Cardinals, dammit! So please pry yourself away from having a certain expectation even though the FO might advertise differently. Clearly its not their fault but your owns.
I agree with you here bluNoway2go … it’s precisely the same point that I was making about Rollins above. You wouldn’t expect him to say 78 wins … and you wouldn’t expect the Mets to make a ticket pack called “The Mediocre team pack”.
LOL @ the mediocre team pack….I can see people lining up for those…
LMAO … did they really do that?!
5 games: ATL, FLA, WAS, and 2 PHLs. $90 in upper reserve.
The money back part…don’t hold your breath (although I think if they did that, it’d be a HUGE draw).
you are missing the point. It isn’t bragging that the Mets are the team to beat, it means that those games are against the division rivals that the mets need to beat! And of course, had some issues with last September, except for Atlanta.
It’s funny, nonetheless. I don’t have a problem with it … it’s very funny.
This has gotten silly. They haven’t even played the first ST game yet, and I really can’t wait for the season to start so we can look at actually performance on the field (and the standings) instead of this posturing.
If I wanted to listen to petulant mud slinging, I would pay more attention to the presidential races!
And, last year is over and done. The Phils finish and the famous “collapse (trademark pending!) no longer mean anything. The teams are different, and there is no reason to expect 2008 to play out like 2007.
Sure, the Phils could win 100. So could the Mets, although the Mets seem to have a better probability of doing so (just based on pitching). Most likely, as configured, the Mets are a 90-95 win team, and the Phils 85-90. But who knows, maybe they both finish 15 back of the Braves!
Point is, talk is cheap, last year is histroy, and they really need to get the show onto the field!
I love how Philly phans always insinuate that Met fans are neanderthals with little intelligence (”knuckle draggers” as an example).
Was there an MLB sponsored fan IQ test given to the fan bases of each team that I missed?
If so did the Met fans really score that poorly?
“Posters here aren’t articulate!”
Do the commenters at beerleaguer use perfect grammar and arguments using only stats and theories? I am pretty sure I have seem the same type of biased comments on that site as well.
if you want to talk about that site in particular, yes, it’s not even close…i think it’s a little bit of an older crowd also over there…it gets a little boring talking about ryan howards arb case all day….seems like everyone in here is so quick to spew vitriol at the team, its fans and the city itself…obviously, there is some mets bashing over there, but it lacks the venom of metsblog…but given the circumstances of 2007, i guess its a little easier to understand why………….
Uh, hey Yo’…….what’s articulate mean ??
I’m gonna’ go grab another cheezstake !
“Was there an MLB sponsored fan IQ test given to the fan bases of each team that I missed?”
Of course. Weren’t you in class when John Miller and Joe Morgan informed us that St. Louis has the smartest fans. Soooooo knowledgeable, those Cardinalites.
Give Rollins credit for backing up his words last season, but he is an overrated player who benefits from playing in a bandbox and whose career OPS+ is below league average at 98.
Reyes is a far better defensive shortstop too.
For anyone to proclaim their team will win 100 games is pure folly, especially when your team has such a suspect rotation as the Phillies do. I would never predict that for the Mets. But I am pretty confident of one thing — barring any unforeseen or freak injures to a mainstay (and I don’t mean El Duque or Alou, both of whom I expect to land on the DL), the Mets will win the NL East. I would bet on it now.
And it’s the Phillies and their fans who need to lighten up. Beltran was joking around and laughing when he said what he did. Yes, he believes what he said, but he said it in jest, and it came off as such in the video clip.
MY GOD….I CAN’T WAIT FOR THE SEASON TO START !!!!!!!
I don’t know if you ask me…he seems a little scared. And since when did he become analysis of the year? Stop worrying about what the Mets do all the time Jimmy. The Phillies haven’t won a damn thing besides a gift-wrap division title.
Hopefully CB sees this as a challenge to his manhood and stomps a mudhole in Jimmy’s arse!
Jimmy’s pretty chipper for a guy who batted
.160 in the post-season, leading his team to
exactly zero victories (that’s zero more than
Carlos and the Mets enjoyed last year).
Guess he’s not so comfortable in the deep
end of the pool.
“They were, on paper, the best team in the division last year. They were supposed to win and they didn’t.”
I don’t know if anyone else said this yet, but isn’t that the definition of “the team to beat”?
I hope beltran can back up his comments. I am expecting him at about 82% when the season begins, roughly 88% in May, dipping back down to 80% the rest of the way depending on the market and international trade
So let’s see. The Phillies guy proclaims his team is the team to beat, and Philly fans applaud it while Mets fans chafe. Then a year later, the Mets guy proclaims his team is the team to beat, Mets fans applaud it, Phillies fans chafe. But Mets fans are the only ones who are hypocritical?
Look, I’m gonna be objective here for a minute: Last year, the Mets were great in the beginning of the season and awful at the end. The Phillies were awful in the beginning of the season and great at the end. The middle of the season, both teams were pretty mediocre. Somewhere along the line, the Phillies were 1 game better than the Mets. Most likely, that 1 game can be found in the 18 games between the 2 teams, in which the Phillies went 12-6. Jimmy Rollins backed up his words by having an MVP-caliber season (we can argue all day about who really deserved the award: Wright, Rollins, and Holliday all had MVP-caliber seasons.) The Phillies had some injuries during the course of the season, but still won the division. What they did was impressive. But none of that changes the fact that the Mets played terrible down the stretch and handed the division to the Phillies. If the Mets had just played .500 against 2 of the 3 worst teams in the NL, they are back-to-back NL East Champs.
To dive into that analysis a little deeper: in the 18 head-to-head games, the Phillies went 12-6, but only outscored the Mets by 5 runs (88-83). Using the Pythagorean theorem designed by Bill James, the Phillies would have been expected to go somewhere between 9-9 and 10-8 against the Mets. Now, obviously, the outperformed that, and kudos to them. This isn’t sour grapes about last year: I’m not in any way, shape, or form arguing that the Pythagorean theorem should be used retroactively to say the Mets were a better team in 2007, because at the end of the year they weren’t. But what the theorem is useful for is future prediction. Generally speaking, when one team overperforms their pythagorean in one year, they generally underperform it the next year. Rob Neyer wrote an article about this about 2 years ago, with charts and everything. Sometimes there are some lucky teams who outperform in multiple years, and sometimes there are teams who underperform in multiple years, but that’s a very small percentage. Taken that into context then, all things being equal, the Mets can expect to have a slightly better record against the Phillies this year.
Of course, all things aren’t equal. Both teams made moves in the offseason. The Phillies major moves were losing Aaron Rowand, and acquiring Pedro Feliz & Brad Lidge. The Mets major moves were losing Paul LoDuca and Shawn Green and acquiring Ryan Church, Brian Schneider & Johan Santana. I could do a statistical analysis of those moves, but I doubt many people want to read them, so I’ll just give you my opinions instead: Lidge was a decent addition, except now they are moving Myers from the ‘pen back to the rotation. Their turnaround last year coincided in large part with Myers becoming the closer: if Lidge can duplicate that, it was a good move, if not, it’s a bad move. Myers career ERA+ is 101, meaning he is almost exactly a league average pitcher. I’d rather have an average starter than an average reliever, but I’d also much rather have a dominant reliever than an average starter (see also Papelbon, Jon, & Chamberlain, Joba), and Myers could have been a dominant reliever. Feliz was an upgrade at third, but not enough to offset losing Rowand and his .309/.374/.515 and above-average defense. For the Mets, the acquisition of Johan speaks for itself, assuming he’s healthy. He makes the whole rotation and bullpen much better just by his mere presence. Schneider and Church will probably give somewhere between a little less to about equal offensive production to Green & LoDuca, while also giving much better defense. Put all of those factors together, and it’s hard to see how the Phillies should be the better team this year.
not to talk sh*t or anything, but I don’t think I’ve ever met a philadelphian who was even remotely intelligent or well-spoken. and i work in finance and have clients in philadelphia, so that’s saying a lot. i really wish they would stop posting their untelligible blabber on our fan site. i really wish i was kidding here.
realist,
come on…that’s like me saying, “ive never met a NY mets fan that DIDNT love jorts or excessive hair gel use”…theres gotta be a few right?
I am from Philadelphia and can assure you that i’m both intelligent and well-spoken.
And if you go through the trolling posts on here, you won’t find one that is unINtelligible…
Ok, then respond to my post below. I would like to see what flavor of kool-aid you drink.
Here is something I ask the Philly fans on the Mets site and never got a true answer.
Does it concern them that half of their team had seasons above their career norms last season? That is exactly what made the 2006 Mets so good. They can not expect that to happen again. Don’t give me the crap about well they are reaching their prime. There is no way that they will have that type of season again.
The following players performed above their career averages.
Rowand, Rollins, Ruiz, Victarino, Romero, Iguchi, Hamels, Kendrick, Madson, Dobbs, Werth, Loshe. I realize that some of those players are young but….. How many Mets performed above their career averages last year? Congrats Phillies on a great season, now the pressure is on you just like it was last year. Repeat those numbers?
86,
You’re right…a lot of guys on the offensive side had career years…but it was/is the pitching that will determine how far they go this season…Howard came into camp fat and battled injuries and still put up huge power numbers..his Ks prob wont go down but he should hit for better average and is almost a lock to hit at least 45 bombs…Utley is Utley and will be an MVP candidate…Jimmy is bound to see his numbers slip a little, but he is still a guy that has improved every season in every facet of the game…
Ruiz was considered a rookie, so you cant really include him…Madson??? he had a terrible year and was shut down in August….Hamels is the real deal the question will always be whether he can stay healthy…dobbs is best suited for the bench and can murder a fastball…Jenkins kills righties and werth kills lefties…they will be platooning in right field…victorino plays with reckless abandon and has gotten better each year he’s played…
the only guys Phils fans ‘worry’ about from your list are Kendrick and Romero….JC maintains he found his groove with the phils and has matured….the sox basically cut him then he becomes lights out for us and parlayed it into a huge contract…it always seems to vary from year to year with bullpen guys….good year, bad year….and this year will be no different…i look for big things from madson…gordon, if healthy, will be serviceable…just think who they were trotting out there in meaningful games…Jose Mesa and six fingered Alfonseca!!… these guys make guillermo mota look like cy young!
there is a difference in between improving every year to puting up 100 more extra base hits than your career average or batting 20 points higher than the year before with a 50 point difference in slugging.
Why can’t I include rookies? Especially when chances are they will slip off a little in their 2nd season?
Also, why include player addtions when that is not relevant to the discussion. The Phillies last year performed over their heads based on stats.
As for Hamels, he looks real good but lets let him pitch 200 innings before I consider him an ace. Who knows if he will hit the same wall at 180 innings? Kendrick has yet to pitch 150. And your bullpen, as bad as it was many of the pitchers still were above career averages or numbers from the previous season.
someone should check Rollins locker for banned substances… cuz that guy is high off his ass…. 100 games?? the Phillies?? With that rotation?? There hasn’t been a 100 games winner in a while, and he thinks The Phillies of all teams will be the one? WOW
I don’t mind Rollins at all, but 100 games? L-O-freaking-L!
Ok lets break it down for you realsince 86. I will end each players break down w/ answering your question about whether or not they can repeat those numbers
Rowand - career year no doubt about it, but is gone now and production should be replaced by slight upgrade at 3rd and slight upgrade in right w/ jenkins - can def repeat stats
Rollins - career year, but the year before stats were pretty similar, so you can make a case for him hitting his prime. - not likely to repeat stats but shouldn’t take too much of a drop.
ruiz - rookie year, so no reason he shouldn’t repeat if not improve
Victorino - 2nd full season, and 1st full season was pretty much same stats - likely to repeat
romero - only had for half the season - def not likely to repeat but if you factor in that he will be on the team for a full season, should improve bullpen because relievers b4 him were awful
iguchi - not sure why you brought him up
hamels - last yr was first full season - so no reason he shouldn’t repeat. he is an ace
kendrick - rookie last year so should take a small fall
madson - 1st full year as a reliever, should match stats. he also missed time to injury so he should have a full season this year
dobbs/werth - were platoon players so not sure why you brought them up either
loshe - gone, and was only around for half the season
now most of the players you listed are either gone or were young players, so you really can’t make a case against.
whatever arguments you were trying to make you can do the same thing with mets players like maine, perez, alou, el duque, martinez. the only players you listed who you can make a sound argument against are romero and rollins.. other than that you didn’t even attempt to make an argument against, I think you just looked at the phils roster and picked random names.
if you really want to be realistic about things, I honestly think that the mets and phils both have question marks whether you want to say it is matching last seasons stats (rollins, Maine, romero, perez) or if you talking about injury players (el duque, alou, martinez, hamels, victorino). no matter how many times you want to try and argue which team is better, in my book they match up pretty equally with the mets being slightly ahead on paper. but they were ahead on paper last year as well and that is why we play the game
I want some of what you’re taking if you think the ‘upgrade’ at 3rd & RF is going to replace what you lost in Rowand.
Let’s look at OPS+ from last year:
Rowand: 123
Jenkins: 101
Dobbs: 96
Feliz: 81
Helms did stink with 68 OPS+ last year though.
But even so, say Dobbs & Feliz share 3rd base, that’s half a season of a 13-point upgrade at 3rd, and a loss of 22 in the OF, which works out as a loss of 15 points.
Your offense is substantially downgraded from last year, and in particular you should expect to see fewer big innings since Feliz is going to be a real rally-killer with that stinky career 0.288 OBP
Oh yeah, and Martinez only made 5 starts last year; Alou only started 87 games, and El Duque missed a bunch too.
They’re still injury question marks this season, but it’s overwhelmingly likely that between the three of them, they’ll contribute at least as much if not more than last year. Especially Pedro.
to make my point in less words: you say phils overacheived and most players will fall backwords this year. if they are expected to fall back then shouldn’t mets players like perez, maine, alou, and duque be expected to decline as well??
another thing ppl ignore, last season santana had an era of 4 after the allstar break. i still think he is the best pitcher in all of baseball but that can’t be a good sign.
Santana was documented as being upset at being lowballed by the Twins last offseason, and particularly disappointed at the Twins trading away Castillo when they were still competitive.
He feels wanted this year, and he know his team wants to win now instead of always 2-3 years down the line from any given season.
I think there are excellent reasons to write off Santana’s second half as the aberration.
Sorry I did not get back to you. Had to go to lunc.
Name a Mets player who had better numbers than their career averages? I found only Perez, Heilman and Smit (as a rookie I put him there on this list as well.)
And there is a very good reason I put all the players on the list and did not randomly pick them. They are all players who contributed to the Phillies team who performed better than their career averages. Prove me wrong.
hey therev, if you go look at 2nd half stats, most of the top pitchers in the game had bad 2nd halves! Most pitchers typically wear down in the 2nd half.
As a Mets fan , I can look at what Rollins has said and honestly say that he’s right. The Phills can probably play with anyone.
But will they? Who knows.
The Mets, to me, should win the division by a semi-comfortable margin. Will they? Who knows.
I want to approach this with more class than most Phillies fans. I respect the Phillies and realize that as reigning division champs, they have bragging rights. On paper, they have a good team and will be competitive; so do and so will the Mets, as well as the Braves, for that matter. But the Phillies are the team to be knocked off if we want to win this division. Nothing is gonna change that until someone else clinches the division and the Phils are mathematically eliminated. That could happen early in September, it could happen on the last day of the season, or it could never happen.
But realistically, the Phillies lost their CF, who by many accounts was the heart and soul of that team, and put up a terrific year. Their pitching is suspect for a number of reasons, and I expect the Mets to win the division, as they have improved while the Phillies have really not.
matt. i said it was a “slight upgrade” at 3rd and rf. third base is an obvious upgrade. helms/nunez/dobbs combined to be get the worst production out of 3rd base last season in all of baseball. check either SI.com or MLB.com for the stats to back that up, but most other mets fans already know about how bad they were so they will back me up on this. feliz will not get on base as much as dobbs but for the overall production out of 3b(which is the point I was trying to make) feliz will get more rbis than last year.
as for jenkins, he will not be playing every day. he is a platoon player w/ werth. so you have to look at his stats vs RH pitchers for a more relevant idea of what he is going to do. here are some stats for you:
rowand last yr: 612 abs 27hr 89rbis 309 ba 374 obp
werth vs LH last yr: 88abs 5hr 22rbis 375 ba 467 obp
jenks vs RH last yr: 355abs 18hr 50 rbi 262 ba 326 obp
now if you predict that over a full season for both players, hr and rbis should be pretty similar, but probably better for the werth/jenks. the only drop should be in ba/obp
You can’t just combine numbers when doing a platoon and expect it to work that way. Besides from what I see even combining those 2 you are short in every catagory.
86,
why can’t I combine numbers like that? werth will only be facing LH and Jenks RH. also, if you notice they have about 170 less ABs than Rowand so I was just trying to factor in those ABs for the comparison.
If we can’t combine platoon #s then how should we try to predict their stats for next year? I am open to suggestions.
Also 86,
As for the mets that had yrs better than their career avgs last year, what about Heilman and Alou? I know Alou only played half the season but his BA was about 38 pts higher than his career avg and his OBP was about 23 pts higher. Personally, i think when he was healthy last year he was almost carrying the offense. Don’t you expect his numbers to drop about from his highs of last yr?
Heilman has a career era of 4.04 and last yr his era was 3.03 so shouldn’t you expect that number to be worse this year as well?
What do you think?
Jimmy Rollins claims when he said “that they were the team to beat” he was referring to the Phillies. Please! When he made that comment he clearly was addressing the Mets, knowing full well how good the Mets were. You dont make a comment like that to the press and then turn around and say that Beltran and the Mets are taking it personally. Of course they are. When you are one of the best teams in the NL east and you make a comment like that, expect a response. Dont play with words and say it was for your fellow players. HE(jimmy) knows it was for meant for the Mets. So Jimmy please stop.
For all mets fans
jimmi Rolins won us by him self
and he won the mvp so s##t up
and appreciate it!!!!!
Lets go mets
“carlos is a quiet guy”
how mean girls of you, j-roll
Interesting that the post monster didn’t catch this one. Either way, shut it Rollins. I know he spoke out, but going after Beltran is just weak.
funny how F**k you ROLLINS gets through on this site, but other certain MILDLY offensive things do not lol…i dont think thats an accident!!!
not that im offended, if i could, that would be my Handle here
How dare Rollins say the SAME EXACT THING Mets followers said about Beltran?
From mets.com:
The usually quiet and reserved center fielder, perhaps emboldened by his team’s offseason acquisition of Johan Santana, stepped out of character — and there’s no reversing that now.
“They were, on paper, the best team in the division last year. They were supposed to win and they didn’t.”
I don’t know if anyone else said this yet, but isn’t that the definition of “the team to beat”?