Comments on: Minors: The Next Generation http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:21:25 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Airfeet http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105356 Airfeet Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:43:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105356 Grant Roberts had nasty stuff and every time he pitched for the mets he got rocked Grant Roberts had nasty stuff and every time he pitched for the mets he got rocked

]]> By: Benny Blanco from da Bronx http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105304 Benny Blanco from da Bronx Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:02:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105304 It certainly hurt the team! I mean eventually he moved up the lineup due to injuries or certain players being ineffective but you could have added an extra 40-50 at bats to Wright's total and that could have helped the team and the wins could have looked a little different. Well I'm wrong, the Mets were wrong, as were 30 major league farm directors who had those guys as top, 1st round, elite talent in the draft. It certainly hurt the team!
I mean eventually he moved up the lineup due to injuries or certain players being ineffective but you could have added an extra 40-50 at bats to Wright’s total and that could have helped the team and the wins could have looked a little different.

Well I’m wrong, the Mets were wrong, as were 30 major league farm directors who had those guys as top, 1st round, elite talent in the draft.

]]> By: Number41 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105302 Number41 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:40:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105302 what might have been... two more HOF' ers two more retired numbers. Most important, two more whole men who inspired young people in a positive way.... what might have been…
two more HOF’ ers
two more retired numbers.
Most important, two more whole men who inspired young people in a positive way….

]]> By: Roach2 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105301 Roach2 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:38:10 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105301 HTWZ, I dont mean to imply Willie is anywhere NEAR as good of a manager as those guys, all i'm saying is that there is no absolute right answer to managing a team....i like willie (no surprise), i like his attitude and i like the general direction he tries to take this team. Has it worked completely for him? Definitely not, but i believe he's going to shine and believe he has done a good job dealing with players (young and old). I recognize that this position is debatable for some, but not for me. That being said, Cox did have some weak competition those 14 years (just saying :-) Benny, yes...wright was special, but willie's "poor handling" didn't hurt him at all, did it??? Could you say that it helped him (based on his numbers the past 2 years)?? Humber and Milledge special? I think you are DEAD WRONG here, but i guess we'll have to see HTWZ,

I dont mean to imply Willie is anywhere NEAR as good of a manager as those guys, all i’m saying is that there is no absolute right answer to managing a team….i like willie (no surprise), i like his attitude and i like the general direction he tries to take this team. Has it worked completely for him? Definitely not, but i believe he’s going to shine and believe he has done a good job dealing with players (young and old).

I recognize that this position is debatable for some, but not for me.

That being said, Cox did have some weak competition those 14 years (just saying :-)

Benny, yes…wright was special, but willie’s “poor handling” didn’t hurt him at all, did it??? Could you say that it helped him (based on his numbers the past 2 years)??

Humber and Milledge special? I think you are DEAD WRONG here, but i guess we’ll have to see

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105300 Hit The Weights Zeile Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:30:53 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105300 roach you have to be kidding with that last statement. pinella and cox especially are head and shoulders above willie randolph when it comes to managing. 1 WS ring yea thats not alot but pinella for all but 1 year of his career was dealing with the 90s yanks and then was in tampa bay where God himself couldnt manage those teams to 500. bobby cox won 14 division in a row enough said, just think about winning 7 division titles in a row w willie, then double it, yea pretty damn impressive. roach you have to be kidding with that last statement. pinella and cox especially are head and shoulders above willie randolph when it comes to managing. 1 WS ring yea thats not alot but pinella for all but 1 year of his career was dealing with the 90s yanks and then was in tampa bay where God himself couldnt manage those teams to 500. bobby cox won 14 division in a row enough said, just think about winning 7 division titles in a row w willie, then double it, yea pretty damn impressive.

]]> By: Benny Blanco from da Bronx http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105299 Benny Blanco from da Bronx Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:26:53 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105299 Well I can only hope his intentions are to win and develop winners. My wishes aren't for Willie to be fired. I don't like Willie and felt you shoulnd't have been hired in the first place but if he gets fired that means the Mets lost and messed up somewhere in the season. Well Wright was one of those special players and he was batting 7th. Milledge was special and he couldn't demonstrate his skill to the fullest. Humber was special but he was set up to fail. WHo cares whatever, those guys are all gone. Well I can only hope his intentions are to win and develop winners.
My wishes aren’t for Willie to be fired. I don’t like Willie and felt you shoulnd’t have been hired in the first place but if he gets fired that means the Mets lost and messed up somewhere in the season.

Well Wright was one of those special players and he was batting 7th. Milledge was special and he couldn’t demonstrate his skill to the fullest.
Humber was special but he was set up to fail.
WHo cares whatever, those guys are all gone.

]]> By: Roach2 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105298 Roach2 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:19:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105298 The point is that the recipe for success you are touting Bobby Cox and Pinella for doesn't always equal the desired end-result. If you go back to my post, i said the really SPECIAL players are the exception, which Braun appears to be. YOU are pining over Philip Humber, Lastings Milledge and Jeff Keppinger.....not a special one in the group. Anyone arguing otherwise is basing that on hype and potential. The way i see it, willie manages the game to win and to develop winners (regardless of what you or anyone else would like to believe). That being said, he has one year to net those results...if he doesn't...your wish comes true...willie's gone. The point is that the recipe for success you are touting Bobby Cox and Pinella for doesn’t always equal the desired end-result.

If you go back to my post, i said the really SPECIAL players are the exception, which Braun appears to be. YOU are pining over Philip Humber, Lastings Milledge and Jeff Keppinger…..not a special one in the group. Anyone arguing otherwise is basing that on hype and potential.

The way i see it, willie manages the game to win and to develop winners (regardless of what you or anyone else would like to believe).

That being said, he has one year to net those results…if he doesn’t…your wish comes true…willie’s gone.

]]> By: Benny Blanco from da Bronx http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105294 Benny Blanco from da Bronx Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:14:57 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105294 So? They're good managers! What has Willie won? Bobby Cox has won the division for many years in a row! So?
They’re good managers! What has Willie won?
Bobby Cox has won the division for many years in a row!

]]> By: Roach2 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105292 Roach2 Wed, 27 Feb 2008 22:11:46 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105292 I guess i see your point, although i still very much disagree One point though, since you bring up Pinella and Cox...how many world series rings have they won in the past 15 or so years? 1? I guess i see your point, although i still very much disagree

One point though, since you bring up Pinella and Cox…how many world series rings have they won in the past 15 or so years?

1?

]]> By: Benny Blanco from da Bronx http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105256 Benny Blanco from da Bronx Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:36:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/02/27/minors-the-next-generation/#comment-105256 Actually his actions shape my distaste for Willie. Reyes was in inherreted player. How did it work out for David? Well David was already CLEARLY a good hitter even though he was young. Carlos Gomez was playing be default homie. Endy, Milledge, Alou, even Ben Johnson was injured! I mean he was battling Ricky Leedee for playing time. In major league baseball when someone is clearly better in producing there is no need to "earn stripes". Ask Lou Pineilla or Bobby Cox what they think about that. Kelly Johnson is not even close to the type of talent David Wright is was batting 3rd for Atlanta in 2005. His reason? He was very productive in the minors, if he's a .300 hitter there, he's a .300 here. Batting 3rd ahead of Chipper and Andruw, the same year he had 51 dingers. Ryan Braun was batting 3rd since day 1. If Willie were managing the Brewers like he interviewed for a couple of years ago, I can, at the very least gaurantee Braun wouldn't have won the rookie of the year. Actually his actions shape my distaste for Willie.
Reyes was in inherreted player.
How did it work out for David? Well David was already CLEARLY a good hitter even though he was young.
Carlos Gomez was playing be default homie. Endy, Milledge, Alou, even Ben Johnson was injured!
I mean he was battling Ricky Leedee for playing time.

In major league baseball when someone is clearly better in producing there is no need to “earn stripes”. Ask Lou Pineilla or Bobby Cox what they think about that.
Kelly Johnson is not even close to the type of talent David Wright is was batting 3rd for Atlanta in 2005.
His reason? He was very productive in the minors, if he’s a .300 hitter there, he’s a .300 here.
Batting 3rd ahead of Chipper and Andruw, the same year he had 51 dingers.
Ryan Braun was batting 3rd since day 1. If Willie were managing the Brewers like he interviewed for a couple of years ago, I can, at the very least gaurantee Braun wouldn’t have won the rookie of the year.

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