Matthew Cerrone

Buzz: Divided on Lohse, El Duque still in Pain
By Matthew Cerrone - Feb 29, 2008 8:18 am

According to Ken Rosenthal from FOXSports.com, “Mets officials remain divided on free-agent right-hander Kyle Lohse.”

Rosenthal adds, “The buzz among scouts on the East Coast of Florida is that the Cardinals are pursuing Lohse, but sources indicate that the team is not interested.”

the buzz among scouts on the East Coast…i love it

…if Orlando Hernandez will be on this team, than i just don’t see how the Mets can tie themselves up with a guaranteed contract for lohse…if, however, el duque is not on the team – and i have no idea how that would happen, short of him disintegrating, which does seem more and more possible every day – only then does a one-year deal for lohse start to make a whole lot of sense…

Speaking of Hernandez, according to the New York Post, he told reporters yesterday that a toe ligament and painful bunion on his right foot are keeping him from pitching batting practice or in a game.

…seriously, i am losing count of what ails this guy…first it’s a bunion, then it’s a dislocated toe, back to the bunion, plus a ligament, plus a root canal…i mean, how does he even get out of bed in the morning…i’m in pain just reading about it…

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Comment by blevine77
2008-02-29 08:21:32

Jesus.

Don’t let this guy wander near any glue or dog food factories.

Comment by Kherubnym
2008-02-29 10:39:02

Kyle Lohse is not the guy the Mets need. Barry Bonds puts the Mets over the top so far it’s humorous. Insert Barry Bonds into the Mets line-up, and they have a legitimate shot at scoring 1,000 Runs this year. Has a non-DH team ever scored 1,000 Runs before? I WANT BARRY BONDS!! It’s blatant collusion that this guy is unemployed right now. SIGN BARRY BONDS!!!

Anyway….in addition to signing Barry Bonds the Mets need to get these 2 players - Brandon Medders and Rajai Davis. Medders and Davis are both out of options, and aren’t looking at starting jobs on their respective teams….so…both can likely be had. Easley and Sosa can both start the year in Triple A to accommodate these two severely underrated players. Davis plays all three outfield positions, bats right handed, replaces all the speed off the bench we lost in Gomez, and is an up and comer that is under valued. He’s the guy we need for everything. Brandon Medders reminds me of that Chris Carpenter break out, out of no where type. He doesn’t have the innings logged Carpenter had, and a different frame, but…the guy has nasty stuff.

Figure Adam Bostick and Caleb Stewart for Medders, and how about Dan Murphy and Eric Brown for Rajai Davis…or maybe try to get Eric Threets involved : )…….Know what, if push even came to shove, I’d do Gotay for Davis and Threets….I’d hate to lose Gotay, but Davis is needed more as the team is currently configured….what a MENTALLY DEFICIENT MOVE IT WAS TO TRADE MILLEDGE FOR THAT DRECK IN RETURN!!!

Comment by Kherubnym
2008-02-29 10:48:18

Easley on a “rehab” assignment….and Sosa has an option left I believe….Medders is much better than Sosa anyway. Medders also gives the Mets an option should Perez bolt after the year….Medders is key, but so is Rajai Davis. AND BARRY BONDS!!!!

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Comment by Hit The Weights Zeile
2008-02-29 10:52:51

if we didnt already have an old broken down LF i would say getting bonds might not be a terrible idea. but beltrans legs would fall apart with those two statues out there.

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Comment by Kherubnym
2008-02-29 11:03:11

Did they “fall apart” last year in between Alou and Green? Green was the second worst defensive Outfielder last year behind Barry Bonds….that’s right, even Manny was better. It’s only gonna be for 7 innings anyway, and then Endy and Rajai Davis(would be awesome) can come in…imagine that defense? Davis, Beltran, and Endy from Left to Right….yeah, good luck finding a hit out there….

If the Mets signed Bonds, and traded for Davis that’d free up Ryan Church for trade also….Mets can probably get a sweet middle reliever or young Catcher for Church no problem….Figure maybe?? Even Huston Street for Church and Jon Niese….or even just Casilla for Church…maybe Kelly Shoppach? I’d do Shoppach for Church with Bonds and Davis in tow….or even include Schneider with Gotay for Molina, Threets, and Davis….even though I hate super slow players…only thing I hate more are guys THAT CAN’T HIT FOR A HALFWAY DECENT AVERAGE!!

Anyway…Bonds increased the Giants winning% last year by 40%+ when he got 3 plate appearances in a game by himself…you can’t say that about any other player in the game today…Bonds is awesome…almost 30 homers last year, nearly a .500 OBP…if he gets a shot somewhere…he’s gonna be on a mission…I hope it’s for the Mets…it’s game over if the Mets get Bonds, and that’s what I feel we’re owed. No uncertainties this year. Sign Bonds, and win this thing. He’ll take down Ryan Howard if they brawl the Phillies….Sign Bonds.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-02-29 11:03:49

I am not saying I am an advocate of Bonds but a platoon of him and Alou would make for one helluva LF.

 
Comment by Kherubnym
2008-02-29 11:09:36

platoon nothin….Throw Alou in Right….imagine this line-up -

1)SS - Jose Reyes
2)2B - Luis Castillo
3)3B - David Wright
4)CF - Carlos Beltran
5)LF - Barry Bonds
6)RF - Moises Alou
7)1B - Carlos Delgado
8)C - Ramon Castro

Who are you gonna pitch to? lol….

 
Comment by Kherubnym
2008-02-29 11:14:58

The old axiom of pitching and defense wins isn’t as true as the neo-veritas pitching and offense wins….new era…offense and pitching > defense and pitching…but with Endy and Davis able to come in for defense…forget about it….they’ll catch everything….

 
Comment by jamie
2008-02-29 11:22:36

a most unpopular opinion, and I doubt the Mets want to deal with the circus, but in a media void (or tampa bay), I totally agree with signing Bonds. His arm is terrible, and so’s his defense, but his bat makes up for that x5. The whole roids thing turns a lot of people off (to put it mildly), but I guarantee he’s not doing them anymore…there’s just too much scrutiny, and the penalties are h-u-g-e. And however you think of him personally or judge him morally, this lineup becomes nuclear with him.

But like I said, that’s in a vacuum. In New York, it’ll never happen.

 
Comment by Kherubnym
2008-02-29 11:41:49

What circus? Bonds has been dealing with media scrutiny for years, and he has shown he can handle it. The media has a new darling/punching bag in Clemens…know what? I’d take him too. The current Mets team is a veteran team, and I really don’t think the current players would mind all the negativity focused on Bonds….and we know Bonds can handle it….he’ll perform. If criminal charges are pressed against Bonds, so what? They’d take more than a year to be heard in court anyway….

Bonds + Mets line-up as you say = NUCLEAR…and that may be an under statement…..Signing Bonds makes up for the Catastrophically STUPID Milledge retardation…I want to puke when I look at 7,8,9 in our line-up…no offense to the pitchers, but…compare the Mets vs the Tigers…To win it all, you have to beat everybody, so everybody is an admissible comparison….The Tigers dwarf the Mets in expected offensive production…yeah they got a DH, but so what…it is what it is, and the Mets have to beat that team…signing Bonds goes a long way in achieving that….as does acquiring Rajai Davis and Brandon Medders.

 
Comment by Kherubnym
2008-02-29 11:43:05

Don’t pretend the Mets are above signing someone affiliated with steroids either since they signed Mota…sooo…Sign Barry Bonds.

 
Comment by jamie
2008-02-29 12:00:03

didn’t say bonds couldn’t deal with the circus, I said the Mets probably don’t want to deal with the circus.

And I’m not pretending anything. Did you see that I agreed with you? But you’re pretending if you think the Mets want to deal with all this. Mota came out and said he made a mistake, which made his signing defensible (morally, if not sensibly).

We don’t have to beat the tigers, we don’t play the tigers.

 
Comment by Kherubnym
2008-02-29 12:14:40

There was no defense to signing Mota, but they did. That set the precedent as an organization willing to sign players who have an association with a steroid past.

Deal with what? What, reporters? Big whoop, it’s New York. I think the players by now some how, some way will work to find a way to deal with….reporters…in New York. Ok, that was a bit childish tact on my behalf, but in all reality the Mets should conduct a cost analysis for the situation, and no I don’t think they did…if they did, they got the wrong answer if it’s no. Is Barry Bonds worth signing, yes or no?

Signing Bonds is like signing the division over to the Mets instantly. It’s like signing over the National League really, and it’s likely signing the Championship. In five years, are people gonna talk about Barry Bonds being on this team, or are they gonna talk about the 2008 Mets winning the World Series? They’re gonna talk about the Mets winning the World Series, just like they’re gonna talk about the yankays success from ‘94 on….Bonds ensures post-season revenue. Bonds ensures amazing displays of offense on a nightly, Nightly(once more for emphasis) basis. It’s unbelievable that Bonds is still available, and it’s just disgraceful that he isn’t signed by now…but, that being the case….hey, oh…oh hey…that’s not such a bad thing if the Mets sign him….

Yes, we DO have to beat the Tigers, we have to beat everyone. The Mets Must be compared to the second, third, fourth best teams in the league(Major League) at all times….in order to win the World Series, you have to be the last team standing. <— period.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-02-29 12:42:22

Uh ok, I was with you until you did not stop.
Again, based on age and defense I would be ok with an Alou Bonds platoon but nothing more. They can’t play OF everyday.

 
Comment by jamie
2008-02-29 12:43:56

dude…I agree that signing bonds would be good. I agree that there’s a ton of hypocrisy in most reasons given for not signing him by every team. And I wasn’t talking about the players, I was talking about the Mets orginization…you know, the rich, conservative, (usually) closed-minded guys who run the team and sign the checks? They would be trashed all year by the press, and the credibility of the franchise would take a hit, however unfair that might be. It’d take balls of titanium to paint a target on yourself like that in the media capital of the country, and other than Mark Cuban, I don’t think there’s an owner in sports who’d do it. And please don’t argue your point as if I’m the one who makes these things so, or that I’m arguing in their favor; I’m not.

I understand your point, but I think we’re already equipped to beat any team in baseball in a seven game series. Though that opinion is subject to change.

 
 
 
 
Comment by theperfectgame
2008-02-29 08:22:01

very, very carefully…

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-02-29 08:29:19

There is no way that signing Loshe will “tie up” the roster. There is always flexibilty. Put Elduque on the DL for the 1st couple of months. Loshe takes his spot. When Elduque is completely healthy and if Pelfrey is tearing it up in the minors then we have a decision to make. By then who knows who else may be injured or who could be traded for a bat.

Comment by thejuggernaut
2008-02-29 10:26:09

honestly…would kyle lohse be so bad as a 5 start?!

Comment by Hit The Weights Zeile
2008-02-29 10:56:39

no not at all, hed benefit a little from being in shea as opposed to cincy/philly. and hes got the stuff to occasionally go out there and wow you. yea he’d have an era approaching or at 5 but honestly i dont think it would go above that and last time we had a regular starter with a 5 era he had 15 wins. its not like the guy needs to be a stopper. not to mention his body wont break down after august.

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Comment by Don
2008-02-29 08:36:08

what is there not to see? el duque is not going to give us a lot of innings. when he is in there, he is effective. but we can’t rely on him to be the 5 starter. acquiring lohshe is simply solid insurance. i don’t think pelfrey is ready yet either, and may end up being better in the pen, which is where duque can go too, should lohse be acquired and the duke actually find himself with some healthy stretches.

Comment by stickguy
2008-02-29 08:54:27

Pelf may not be quite ready (but he is close), but no way he goes to the pen. If he isn’t pitching inthe rotation, he should be in AAA fine tuning his stuff.

Comment by therealsince86
2008-02-29 08:59:30

Agree, we will need him in the rotation at someone point this season even if we sign Loshe.

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Comment by brucemagic2007
2008-02-29 08:43:01

Tie up the roster? How so? While El Duque is tying up the DL all season, Lohse can come in and be a quality 5th starter. The Mets cannot rely on a guy who gets hurt warming up in the outfield to be the 5th starter, Lohse may not put up the best numbers but as a 5th starter? I’ll take him

 
Comment by Don
2008-02-29 08:43:19

also keep in mind lohse pitched in minnesota, cincy, and philly. put him in shea and he could have a career year, or at the very least improve his ERA around a run, which would be fine for a five starter. no such thing as too much pitching. if el duque wants to fight for a spot as a starter, a little healthy competition will not be a negative for the team. an extra arm or two also allows them the felxibility to trade for that righty bat they desperately need for first and rf, not to mention the inevitable lf situation we will be faced with.

lohse makes sense.

Comment by yubbajr
2008-02-29 08:50:36

Wait - I thought we were talking about el duque here!

Comment by yubbajr
2008-02-29 08:51:30

Sorry - should have read…

“a little healthy competition”

Wait - I thought we were talking about el duque here!

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