Comments on: PSL: Wagner working in the Bullpen http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MudvilleNine http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108711 MudvilleNine Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:52:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108711 I know I went a little long on my explanation, but I wanted to say one more thing. Watch the animated gif of Wagner closely, right from the start. You'll see the small step back with very little weight transfer. Then the turn and leg kick without the weight coming forward, and then so on. But if you look at it you notice that his leg kick is the same as when he throws from the stretch. So as I said, from that point on everything is the same. So what would the reason be for the windup? There's no deception involved in the windup part. There's no extra push off since you dont push off until after the leg kick. Doesn't help the breaking ball since you dont break the hands till the leg kick. There is no advantage that I can think of, only problems that can happen with its use. I know I went a little long on my explanation, but I wanted to say one more thing. Watch the animated gif of Wagner closely, right from the start. You’ll see the small step back with very little weight transfer. Then the turn and leg kick without the weight coming forward, and then so on. But if you look at it you notice that his leg kick is the same as when he throws from the stretch. So as I said, from that point on everything is the same. So what would the reason be for the windup? There’s no deception involved in the windup part. There’s no extra push off since you dont push off until after the leg kick. Doesn’t help the breaking ball since you dont break the hands till the leg kick. There is no advantage that I can think of, only problems that can happen with its use.

]]> By: jaxson http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108517 jaxson Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:17:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108517 Alou is hurt now. Alou is hurt now.

]]> By: Hit The Weights Zeile http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108497 Hit The Weights Zeile Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:08:41 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108497 im gonna go ahead and say if the jacket thinks its good then i trust his judgement im gonna go ahead and say if the jacket thinks its good then i trust his judgement

]]> By: Zoe http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108490 Zoe Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:58:21 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108490 You're doing great w/ the mixed media, buddy! You’re doing great w/ the mixed media, buddy!

]]> By: Another Matt http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108476 Another Matt Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:43:10 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108476 It might be to help distract hitters from being able to identify the curve and changeup. Or it might be to help him actually hit the spots with the offspeed pitches. It might be to help distract hitters from being able to identify the curve and changeup.

Or it might be to help him actually hit the spots with the offspeed pitches.

]]> By: Don http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108475 Don Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:42:35 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108475 wagner is very good at pitching one inning at a time without losing a lead of 1, 2, or 3 runs, for most of the year. But i don't trust him in the postseason or at a yankee mets game with 50,000 in the crowd. but then again who can you trust in those spots, not even that guy on the Pads. sometimes going to the "closer" is bad news. you'll have a setup man in control of what he is doing, then you automatically have to bring in your closer and gamble he will hit the strike zone. i hate the way roles and contracts take away from the gut feeling of managing. wagner is very good at pitching one inning at a time without losing a lead of 1, 2, or 3 runs, for most of the year. But i don’t trust him in the postseason or at a yankee mets game with 50,000 in the crowd. but then again who can you trust in those spots, not even that guy on the Pads.

sometimes going to the “closer” is bad news. you’ll have a setup man in control of what he is doing, then you automatically have to bring in your closer and gamble he will hit the strike zone.
i hate the way roles and contracts take away from the gut feeling of managing.

]]> By: theperfectgame http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108470 theperfectgame Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:31:32 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108470 Wagner has one of the longest strides in MLB despite being less than 6 feet tall. He absolutely does not throw all arm. Wagner has one of the longest strides in MLB despite being less than 6 feet tall. He absolutely does not throw all arm.

]]> By: MudvilleNine http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108468 MudvilleNine Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:25:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108468 Well in some people's eyes the windup is an unnecessary part of the delivery of a pitch. Just something else that could go wrong in the delivery. In the windup, the ideal is to step straight back lightly, not bringing any weight back, then pivot on your throwing foot. You turn your body as you bring your leg up and at the height of your leg kick you should be able to stop and be balanced, weight should not be going forward or sideward. Then you seperate your hands, kick the foot out while bringing the ball back, land your foot (toe pointing toward your target), bring the ball forwards, transfer the weight, release and follow thru. This of course is just a generalization. Pitching from the stretch, you bring the leg up and at the height of your leg kick you should have balance, and so forth, just as from the windup. So a lot of coaches have looked at this and said that the windup maybe unnecessary. You can end up transfering your weight backwards and need extra to go back forwards, or bring it forward to early. You may transfer it sideways if you dont step back straight and then when you try to go forwards your weight goes sideways and not straight toward the plate. You really want your weight to go in the straight line between second and home. Well anyway I think you get my drift. Now remember I said that only some coaches think this and not all. There are different theories on so many things in baseball. But just from this explanation you'd wonder why a guy who's pitched from the stretch for years would suddenly decide that a windup would help him. But then again it is from the mind of Billy Wagner. Well in some people’s eyes the windup is an unnecessary part of the delivery of a pitch. Just something else that could go wrong in the delivery. In the windup, the ideal is to step straight back lightly, not bringing any weight back, then pivot on your throwing foot. You turn your body as you bring your leg up and at the height of your leg kick you should be able to stop and be balanced, weight should not be going forward or sideward. Then you seperate your hands, kick the foot out while bringing the ball back, land your foot (toe pointing toward your target), bring the ball forwards, transfer the weight, release and follow thru. This of course is just a generalization. Pitching from the stretch, you bring the leg up and at the height of your leg kick you should have balance, and so forth, just as from the windup. So a lot of coaches have looked at this and said that the windup maybe unnecessary. You can end up transfering your weight backwards and need extra to go back forwards, or bring it forward to early. You may transfer it sideways if you dont step back straight and then when you try to go forwards your weight goes sideways and not straight toward the plate. You really want your weight to go in the straight line between second and home. Well anyway I think you get my drift. Now remember I said that only some coaches think this and not all. There are different theories on so many things in baseball. But just from this explanation you’d wonder why a guy who’s pitched from the stretch for years would suddenly decide that a windup would help him. But then again it is from the mind of Billy Wagner.

]]> By: harrychiti http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108463 harrychiti Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:17:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108463 I was under the impression that the string was there to "hit". If you are throwing at the string, you are hitting a line where hitters' BA is something A-Hern like--.187 or something. I was under the impression that the string was there to “hit”. If you are throwing at the string, you are hitting a line where hitters’ BA is something A-Hern like–.187 or something.

]]> By: JDuelz (Athens, GA) http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108462 JDuelz (Athens, GA) Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:17:46 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/05/psl-wagner-working-in-the-bullpen/#comment-108462 ImageReady ImageReady

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