Comments on: Note: Cashman learned from Generation K http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: cityfield5 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111683 cityfield5 Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:43:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111683 best comment ever. i hate cashman even more than i did 5 seconds ago best comment ever.

i hate cashman even more than i did 5 seconds ago

]]> By: twassel http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111602 twassel Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:50:10 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111602 Disagree with your analysis. You're correct that Pulsipher threw a total of 218 innings in 1995 (at age 21). But he had thrown 201 the year before in the minors. Rule of thumb is don't have young pitchers increase the previous year's totals by more than 30. The problem was his numbers in the minors: 95 innings, 139, then 201. That was the year that probably killed him Izzy at age 22 threw a total of 221 innings, but that was only 28 more than the previous year at 193. His minor league numbers: 65, 90, and 193. Wilson was similar in the minors: 49, 186, then his first year in the minors/majors, he actually threw fewer innings: 162. Conclusion: it wasn't Dallas Green who ruined these pitchers, it was the Mets rushing them through the farm system. Disagree with your analysis. You’re correct that Pulsipher threw a total of 218 innings in 1995 (at age 21). But he had thrown 201 the year before in the minors. Rule of thumb is don’t have young pitchers increase the previous year’s totals by more than 30. The problem was his numbers in the minors: 95 innings, 139, then 201. That was the year that probably killed him

Izzy at age 22 threw a total of 221 innings, but that was only 28 more than the previous year at 193. His minor league numbers: 65, 90, and 193.

Wilson was similar in the minors: 49, 186, then his first year in the minors/majors, he actually threw fewer innings: 162.

Conclusion: it wasn’t Dallas Green who ruined these pitchers, it was the Mets rushing them through the farm system.

]]> By: lordt78 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111601 lordt78 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:49:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111601 Joba, Kennedy, Hughes = Generation Gay Joba, Kennedy, Hughes = Generation Gay

]]> By: dave27 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111597 dave27 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:44:09 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111597 OK, screw Dallas Green then! I didn't think they racked up those innings. Wilson's 96 numbers would probably have been as bad if he could keep himself in games. Green certainly was responsible for blowing out Doc's arm for good in 93 and 94, which no one remembers becasue of the drug relapse...and there was the infamous Al Leiter outing when they were with hte Yankees where he throw like 256 pitches in a game. OK, screw Dallas Green then! I didn’t think they racked up those innings. Wilson’s 96 numbers would probably have been as bad if he could keep himself in games.

Green certainly was responsible for blowing out Doc’s arm for good in 93 and 94, which no one remembers becasue of the drug relapse…and there was the infamous Al Leiter outing when they were with hte Yankees where he throw like 256 pitches in a game.

]]> By: dave27 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111591 dave27 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:38:57 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111591 Sorry - I misuse the quotation marks. Having been around back then these guys did track a ton of attention even after the initial injuries - actually a Sheff-Izzy deal was shelved when Izzy infamously hurt himself in a celebrity softball game...I just think the odds of all 3 developing into heathy stars is minute based on history, and in the win-now Bronx spending to keep aging stars and then whiffing on Johan was moronic. Sorry – I misuse the quotation marks.

Having been around back then these guys did track a ton of attention even after the initial injuries – actually a Sheff-Izzy deal was shelved when Izzy infamously hurt himself in a celebrity softball game…I just think the odds of all 3 developing into heathy stars is minute based on history, and in the win-now Bronx spending to keep aging stars and then whiffing on Johan was moronic.

]]> By: likeitoughttabe29 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111583 likeitoughttabe29 Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:28:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111583 it could just be that Pulsipher wasnt as good as promised. Izzy obviously became a good closer and has had a good career and Paul Wilson became a servicable starter for a good 5 year stretch. Pulsipher goes into the Ducks hall of fame. it could just be that Pulsipher wasnt as good as promised. Izzy obviously became a good closer and has had a good career and Paul Wilson became a servicable starter for a good 5 year stretch.

Pulsipher goes into the Ducks hall of fame.

]]> By: apagano http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111579 apagano Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:21:38 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111579 In 1995, Dallas Green gave a 21-year old Pulsipher 126.2 IP after he had already thrown 91.2 innings in AAA that season. That same season, Green allowed Izzy to finish with 221 IP between the majors and the minors. In 1995, Dallas Green gave a 21-year old Pulsipher 126.2 IP after he had already thrown 91.2 innings in AAA that season. That same season, Green allowed Izzy to finish with 221 IP between the majors and the minors.

]]> By: apagano http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111567 apagano Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:14:01 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111567 You can do more than just hope. You're right - some injuries are going to happen no matter what. It's part of the game. On the other hand, you can minimize the risk by keeping an eye on things like pitch counts, IP from season to season, etc. You can do more than just hope. You’re right – some injuries are going to happen no matter what. It’s part of the game. On the other hand, you can minimize the risk by keeping an eye on things like pitch counts, IP from season to season, etc.

]]> By: Coolpapabell http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111562 Coolpapabell Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:09:46 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111562 Who said "not-valued" for you to be using quotation marks? I wrote "I am not sure pitching prospects were vauled as highly as they are now", which is a big difference. Anyway, I don't remember hearing Kevin Brown nor Sheffield, you could be right. Who said “not-valued” for you to be using quotation marks?

I wrote “I am not sure pitching prospects were vauled as highly as they are now”, which is a big difference.

Anyway, I don’t remember hearing Kevin Brown nor Sheffield, you could be right.

]]> By: Jay http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111558 Jay Tue, 11 Mar 2008 20:09:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/11/note-cashman-learned-from-generation-k/#comment-111558 Don't forget Kei Igawa! Don’t forget Kei Igawa!

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