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According to WFAN’s Ed Coleman, the Mets and Red Sox are discussing a swap of Angel Pagan for Coco Crisp.
…it’s not an official trade…all ed said was that 
it’s a rumor, which is gaining steam…of course, Mike and the Maddog then proceeded to discuss the potential deal as though it had already been completed, which it hasn’t…
In 2005 with the Indians, Crisp hit .300 with 18 HR and 15 stole bases.
However, since going to the Red Sox, in 2006 and 2007, spanning 940 at-bats, he’s hitting just .266 with 73 extra base hits, 50 stole bases while striking out 151 times.
…this trade is confusing to me…i suppose coco is the more established of the two players, but i just can’t figure out why either team is interested in such a swap…i’m wondering if maybe there is more to it, maybe a pitcher involved, etc…
Crisp will earn $4.75 million in 2008, followed by $5.75 million in 2009, after which he can be a free agent unless his team exercises a $8 million option for 2010.
…Update…3:01 pm…
Pagan just hit a two-run home run during today’s spring-training game against the Orioles.
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We reward a 100% hustle guy who is having a great spring by sending him off in exchange for a guy who hit in the .220s for most of last year?
Yeah we reward him.. by sending him to the 2007 WS champs and mostly likely the best team in baseball..
I would do this deal… I like Crisp and his speed and Pagan is a flash in the pan
No doubt you do this deal. You are trading a guy who is having a good spring but has proven nothing more than an inability to hit ML pitching for a guy who has an actual track record at this level. Classic no-brainer to me, assuming that this is the trade. I am not interested in putting together any type of large package for Coco Crisp.
Seems pointless.
The only difference between them (as far as I can tell) is that Crisp is more expensive.
Don’t forget, Crisp is a “winning” player. He has what, 2 rings? And he’s more battle tested than Pagan. If Willie had a say in this, you can bet he’s totally for it.
one ring and he was hardly a significant part of last year’s Red Sox
Yeah, wasn’t he left off the WS roster in favor of Ellsbury?
Crisp was so valued by the Red Sox they started Ellsbury over him in every WS game. He was benched for a very green rookie.
Can’t say I’d like it if it were to occur. I know Angel is not considered “young” but he’s on fire right now and deserving of a bench spot. We don’t need an every day LF we need to platoon for Alou while he’s out.
I certainly wouldn’t be mad if the trade happened but I think Pagan deserves a shot in a Mets uni…pass on Coco
Dammit. I like Pagan. He’s homegrown. And maybe he’s turned a corner with the bat due to working with HoJo. He’s younger than Crisp. Crisp hasn’t hit for two years. I really don’t see any benefit to this trade, not to mention Crisp costs a lot more than Pagan.
Yeah, I don’t agree with you.
If the trade is going to be Pagan straight up for Crisp, then there is not really any good reason not to make it. You say Crisp hasn’t hit for two years? When is it, other than this spring, that Pagan has ever hit?
Compare their numbers. While Crisp is far from one of my favorite players, the advantages you have with Crisp on your roster far outweigh the ones you have with Pagan. Don’t get emotionally attached to a guy who is having a good spring, there are guys like that every year. You have to look long term, and I just can’t see Pagan being better than Crisp over the course of the entire season.
Does Coco even have options left, so in case Alou comes back he can be optioned to AAA until Alou gets hurt again?
good point!
That’d be a nice trade, assuming Coco’s competently versatile around all 3 OF positions, and mostly assuming that he doesn’t make a stink about not being being a fulltime starter here.
If he is competent as a left fielder, he very well could find himself getting a lot of playing time with the Mets. His style of play is very NL-ish, he is a switch hitter, and he would be involved in just about every single game spelling both Beltran and Alou when he returns.
I don’t see many drawbacks to this. Pagan is a spare part.
I’ll take Coco over Angel any day. more major league time, championship experience… i mean do you people realize who you’re talking about here? Angel Pagan is hitting .400 in SPRING TRAINING and all the sudden we can’t trade him? Pagan’s effort has been nice, but i’d rather have Coco.
No one is saying Pagan is untouchable. It’s just hat Crisp is such a one-dimensional player with a poor bat who costs a lot of money.
And who cares if he was on a championship team. That doesn’t make you a good player, not to mention the fact that Ellsbury played a more critical role for the Red Sox in the postseason. They thought so much of Crisp that he started ZERO games in the WS.
This would be perfect for Boston. They get to dump a player and his salary who they don’t want anymore because they want Ellsbury to start. And they get a cheap strong bench player back in return.
There doesn’t appear to be any benefit for the Mets.
The benefit to the Mets is that Crisp returns to being one of the top young outfielders in the game.
How is he going to do that when his bat has disappeared over the last two years? Seems like the two decent offensive years he had with the bat were an anomaly.
It’s as speculative as Pagan improving his hitting this year. But right now I’d bet on Pagan to have a better year offensively while providing almost as good defense in CF or LF. And all at a much cheaper price.
I’m just not that impressed with Coco Crips. Great name, though.
How does a guy with a career 94 OPS+ and .329 OBP become known as “one of the top young outfielders in the game”? That’s crazy. Crisp is mediocre at best. Pagan might be slightly more or less mediocre. We don’t know yet because he’s never seen regular playing time. Why not give it to him instead of trading for an expensive, overrated guy we don’t even need? Especially one who whines about playing time.
Crisp is a career .280 hitter that has already done basically everything you could reasonably expect from Pagan at the ML level – 10-15 hrs., 60-70 RBI. He’s also only three years older than Pagan and a superior fielder
The only thing that doesn’t make sense is why you’d trade for a guy who’s already complaining about playing time when you can’t guarantee him a position – unless the team is more concerned about Beltran’s health than it’s letting on…
When someone’s bat disappears for two whole years, it’s a warning sign. The two good years he had offensively may be an anomaly which pushed his career numbers up a bit.
I’d rather take a chance on Pagan.
That makes no sense.
Why take a chance on a guy who has shown an inability to hit rather than a guy who has shown he is better in just about every aspect of the game even in his worst year than the guy you’d be trading for him.
If the Sox would take Pagan for Crisp you absolutely have to do it. Surely, it could bite you in the rump by the time it’s over, but at this stage you’d be foolish to not make the trade if it is really on the table.
Because that guy has options, is $4M cheaper, is almost as good defensively, and had a better OPS last year in the majors than Crisp had the last two years.
At any rate is appears to be a moot point. The trade was just an unfounded rumor.
One dimensional? What are you talking about? Crisp is an above average outfielder with pop in his bat and above average speed. That’s not one dimensional.
The biggest issue I have with this trade is not trading away Pagan, but getting Crisp. By the Mets getting Crisp they will be satisfied that they got the right-handed hitting outfielder that they desperately need, when they will still need the righty!
Keep in mind that only the mets know the health of Beltran…
I don’t disagree with you, but I doubt that the Mets view Crisp as anything more than an upgrade to Pagan. He is a switch hitting Pagan with better skills, really.
Pagan is a switch hitter too. And his OPS last year was slightly better than Crisp’s the last two years. I don’t see Crisp as necessarily an upgrade except for defense. And it’s a small upgrade.
It’s the biggest category to upgrade in when you are talking about your fourth OF.
Man I hope this is just Boston spin.. Omar had better not do this.. Crisp has absolutely 0 pop and average arm and a pretty good sized salary. This would be a huge mistake… Omar you’ve done enough for us.. We’ll deal with what we have.. Thanks but no thanks
And Pagan has done what in the majors in the last 5 years?
MIKE PELFREY WAS THE BEST METS PITCHER LAST SPRING HOW DID THAT TURN OUT….SPRING TRAINING STATS ARE BEYOND MEANINGLESS.
Crisp has reached double digits in HR’s twice in his career. That is not bad for a guy who’s game is based on speed, and it certainly does not qualify as “0 pop”.
How strange because SNY just interviewed Pagan and the kid really seemed happy to be back with the Mets. With the way Pagan was playing this Spring and the way Crisp has played the past couple of years I don’t know if I like this deal. I know Crisp is nasty when it comes to defense, but his bat is pretty weak.
I guess I’m in the minority, but I do this deal in a heartbeat. Sox fans really like this guy, because he’s a good defender, and a solid player all around.
Pagan is too unproven for me to feel comfortable with.
I’d like to see Omar make this move. I hope he can get the Sox to take Show, in order to offset salary, and get that bum off our team.
Seriously, a guy who’s done nothing in the majors vs a guy who’s put up a .300 season? At least you know the potential is there for Crisp.
NEVER put too much stock in Spring Training.
Don’t you think Chavez and Crisp are redundant? They are basically the same player after all.
Both bring great D, tons of speed, neither can hit, Endy has a better arm … oh and Crisp will cost a buttload over the next two years (over $10M when you take into account his $500K buy out for 2010).
Stick with Pagan, he’s younger and MUCH cheaper.
Endy can’t hit !!! BLASPHMY!!!!!!
I agree that Crisp is overrated, and overpaid… but, think about how weakened our team was when Chavez went down?
Crisp and Chavez are similar, except for salary… which is why I hope they convince the Sox to take Show.
I have a bunch of Sox fans who love this guy, (but like Ellsbury even more.)
I love that quote… Never put too much stock in Spring Training…
So true, so true…
Never put too much stock in solitary .300 avg seasons, either. Especially when they’re ancient history.
Not sure where you get that sox fans love Crisp. I’ve been here in Boston for a while now, and all the Sox fans I know hate him, and are in love with Elsbury. Crisp was absolutely awful with the bat last year, and we already have a centerfielder. Also, Crisp has been whining the past few weeks that he wants to be a starter, so we’d be getting someone very unhappy to be a part time player.